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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.09.16 09:15:00 -
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You've prob heard of Goonwaffe, you're probably familiar that we use a lot of propaganda and you're probably aware we're pretty much unstoppable in EVE right now...
If you want a serious chat about your image in Dust and what you can do to improve it, you can come chat with me. I'll give it you straight though, don't bother if you're going to get defense and touchy if we have a frank discussion, if you want honest answers, some honest help and you can have a good, level headed conversation come mail me in game, i'll send you my email address out of game and we can chat in detail. |
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:07:00 -
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[email protected]
Email me, I'm out with the mrs tonight but I can still touch base. |
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:41:00 -
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WT Sherman wrote:Quick, a few comments from a long time EVE player and a dedicated DUST player.
Forum posting in EVE and DUST, if you have thin skin don't post, don't even read them. Most threads on EVEO usually end up as nothing more than flame wars.
Reputation, what stinking reputation? (sarcasm) Goons are known for their griefing and trolling on the forums. The reputation that you are worried about should be whether or not you are able to complete your contracts using what ever it takes to win, period. Goons are also known for being able to bring the fight to you even when they are outclassed as they were in the early days of the BOB war. I hated Goons and hated being in their ts lobby having to listen to all the coc*, dic*, cun*, and yomomma talk while waiting for a drag into combat coms channel.
For the record, goon comms are nothing like this anymore. It's looked down on an awful lot now. |
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:55:00 -
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OG DonHel wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:WT Sherman wrote:Quick, a few comments from a long time EVE player and a dedicated DUST player.
Forum posting in EVE and DUST, if you have thin skin don't post, don't even read them. Most threads on EVEO usually end up as nothing more than flame wars.
Reputation, what stinking reputation? (sarcasm) Goons are known for their griefing and trolling on the forums. The reputation that you are worried about should be whether or not you are able to complete your contracts using what ever it takes to win, period. Goons are also known for being able to bring the fight to you even when they are outclassed as they were in the early days of the BOB war. I hated Goons and hated being in their ts lobby having to listen to all the coc*, dic*, cun*, and yomomma talk while waiting for a drag into combat coms channel.
For the record, goon comms are nothing like this anymore. It's looked down on an awful lot now. Agreed, Goon coms have chillaxed alot now compared to the past. I am not a goon but am part of the CFC and have had numerous operations with them. I have not had any problems with them, compared to what I would have had say.. 2 years ago
Email me. [email protected] |
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:20:00 -
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There's way more CFC guys here than i even know about, they keep popping up outta the woodwork on a daily basis. |
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Posted - 2012.09.17 17:52:00 -
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So where's this email? |
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Posted - 2012.09.17 18:42:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:I hate all these ******** threads where bad players and bad clans talk shite
Will only get worse when the main EVE-O idiots are around and the forums are merged.
I suggest you find somewhere else to post if it bothers you that much because it's actually pretty good at the moment and will get a hell of a lot worse.
Over 63% of the threads on the first 2 pages on in COAD (Part of the EVE forums) are people bitching about Goonwaffe/Test. |
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Posted - 2012.09.17 21:30:00 -
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Adducere Aetheris wrote:There is a vast amount of trash talking among console players. Never understood why. Seems rediculous most of the time.
Just male back slapping bravado games.
No, it's mainly due to the age of your average consoles FPS multiplayer gamer. I.E about 16. |
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:35:00 -
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SWEETY muffin CAKES wrote:Also concerning tanks:
The guys you see rolling the big heavy tanks game in game out... Lurch, Ted and the gang.... They said right from the beginning that they were going to be dedicated tank drivers. Don't believe me? I have posts about Lurch organizing an all tank division. That's their job, and why the EV is such an awesome organization. We have people in a vent chat everyday teaching the new recruits how it's done.
ITs called specialization, and creating experts in the field. You laugh while they perfect their skills as tank drivers, and call them noob stomping.
We look at it as, running experts with tanks, teaching the new guys how to maximize the tanks. Because when we have 5-10 thousand players in the Entropy Virus... we are going to use those experts to teach the kiddies how to roll.
In the end, even if STB was being cocky.... or noob stomping....
Welcome to the World of New Eden.
where you gotta win however you have to. Anyone that thinks that making use of an advantage is weak, is going to get a lot of flak for when he loses, and it was in his power to win.
You're never, ever going to have 5 to 10 THOUSAND people in EV. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:36:00 -
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I'm still waiting for an email to give you my opinion.... should i wait for hell to freeze over first? |
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.09.19 02:07:00 -
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**** no.
I'm a Goon. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:32:00 -
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Dont double post, it's bad etiquette, as are using 5 year old cookie and cake memes.
This is your biggest problem of all STB, Your horrible, horrible forum posting along with the stupid names, Why is STB needed in your tags? It will be on your corp ticker next build. Why is EV needed? They are nobody and when they failcascade you'll be stuck with a reminder of EV in your user name for the rest of your Dust career, far after EV have been forgotten about and people will just think it's some stupid random letters on the end of your user name.
The forum chest beating is tolerated and expected so it hardly effects your image, you just need to get better at it and how you do it need's to improve.
Don't let idiots post on the forums unless it's well known that all STB members DO NOT speak for STB and are only voicing their own opinions so they get ridiculed personally and not the whole corp is looked down on. Have a small, core group of people who CAN voice STB's opinions on things formally on the forums but make sure they are educated and can spell, someone like Deadpool who is respected and knows how to write, not someone like the mongaloid 14 year old caffeine addict that posted above me.
Don't post drunk, Slosh OPs are normal for EVE and will be for Dust, but don't forum post, you'll dig yourself a hole every single time and look like a ******* muppet the following day. Don't take the bait when you get flamed on the forums, it will generate you much, much more hatred because you're ignoring the idiots which gives you better coverage in new eden and more people complain about you, but you keep your respect and dignity in tact by not getting into flame wars, by all means, troll them and make them look even more stupid than they already are, but you all need to learn to troll correctly first. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:50:00 -
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STB-Quickgloves EV wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I'm still waiting for an email to give you my opinion.... should i wait for hell to freeze over first? i sent it hours ago
Not got it mate, whats yours? I'll email you. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:56:00 -
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i've got no emails.
[email protected] [email protected]
Should both work. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 13:25:00 -
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sent you an email |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 16:18:00 -
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Wolf Ritter vonKaldari wrote:Going from your post, Deadpool, it appears to me that you and STB are under the assumption that you can be a serious, big name corp in New Eden and still operate like any other small time clan from every other FPS. If that's so it'll be interesting to see your reaction to the new reality you've placed yourselves in.
Indeed,
Deadpool, I know it's a game, but this thread is about feedback and advice to STB, that's what i was giving. I fail to see your issue? |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 17:06:00 -
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STB DEADPOOL5241 EV wrote: @Cerebral Wolf Jr,
I get what you're saying, my apologies if I did not clearly respond to your post. While I agree with you, that certain players should not say certain things on these forums as it comes across badly for STB or any corp for that matter. But my point Cerebral, was that I can not tell a player not to post. I am not an officer of STB, I am not Quickgloves and a leader of my corp.
May I ask to whom you are referring to at STB that makes posts that are not showing us off in a good way?
What I can do though, is speak to those players and have an open discussion with them on forums posting and maybe I can help them. Again I want to encourage players to post. I want more and more players to post in the forums. But with that I must take the good and the bad. Not everything even I say, is always good. But I try and I know they are all trying as well.
I have no issue, I am simply pointing out that this is game, games are meant to be fun. So no matter the politics or what ever that New Eden will present in the coming months and years that I and STB play Dust, I will always see this as just a game to make me happy.
Ty, I know your just trying to be helpful in your own way. So +1 from me for being honest and civil about this.
I didn't think your post was unclear, quite the opposite, i actually felt that you didn't like the fact i replied on topic and gave my opinion.
I know you can't tell people to post or not to post, that's impossible to moderate, even as an "officer" in a corp. People will alway rebel and not pay attention and do what they want, that's just the way things are. What i'd propose is making sure that the community knows who the important people are making sure they know not to view individual posters as the views of STB. Making people like Quickgloves much more high profile, making sure he speaks in an official capacity at all times for example means people will take him seriously all the time and look at him for official stances on issues etc rather than listening to your average member.
As for people who i think don't give you guys much credibility on the forums, i'd have to say all of them except yourselves, Quickgloves maybe the boss, but even his posting is terrible and looks like a 12 year old wrote them. You all need to remember that Corps in New Eden are a business, not a social club, if you want to win contracts you need to act and behave to a certain way, a certain level of maturity and professionalism is expected, avin sum1 talk leik dis will get dem ignored innit and they won't win any contracts because people will see them as idiots and judge them based on that. Forum presence and presentation is a big part of your corp and has to be dealt with well. Even large corps like Goonwaffe expect a certain level of behavior and if that's not met or someone makes a massive idiot of themselves they have to do something to make sure they learn their lesson, such as a fine, giving someone a tank or whatever, In EVE we actually make people write something like an apology note, go to the nearest hardware store, stick a plunger on their head on the middle of the store, hold the note up and have a friend take a photo for us, it gets the message across very well and ensures people learn and don't continue to make a tit of themselves and of the corp.
Encouraging people to post is always good, it's the foundation of a lot of corps, personally we always say "Never not post" or something like that to remind people to keep up to date and chat with people etc etc.
I know it's a game, i know it's meant to be fun, there is a certain degree of seriousness needed and expected in EVE though, certainly when you want to secure large contracts, make powerful allies and play the political game as it all requires a level of commitment that is going to take more than just "playing the game for fun". If you want to be the best, you have to balance having fun and being serious. Somethings take months or even years in EVE, it took us Years to destroy BoB and took a lot of seriousness as well as fun.
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Posted - 2012.09.19 17:08:00 -
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Wolf Ritter vonKaldari wrote:STB DEADPOOL5241 EV wrote:Can you describe this new reality that I am not aware of? I just need clarification on this before I comment. I don't want to seem ignorant but I am unaware of what you are getting at. You seem to think EVE/Dust Corporations are just the kind of thing where a bunch of guys who like playing together do whatever they feel like with no real authority coming from the leaders and officers. EVE and Dust corporations rely upon a largely strict hierarchy, this is why most serious corporations are structured more like a corporate bureaucracy or in the case of the Goons a dictatorship rather than a happy go-lucky group of casuals mucking about.
This is a very relevant post, though it's not strictly a dictatorship, a lot of the directors have free reign to do what they need in their sections, it's just that your average goon get's little to no say in the day to day running but it's hardly all done by Mittens either, there's a lot of dedicated goons who put a massive amount of work into making Goonwaffe work. It simply couldn't be done any other way. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 18:40:00 -
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Deadpool,
This is turning into a really good thread and a very good discussion that's touching on things much deeper than just STB and i think it's safe to say we'll all take away things from this, it's nice to have a conversation without it turning into a flamefest.
I do think STB has a Hierarchy, in fact i know a lot more of STB and EV that 99% of the forum users here and possibly even more than some STB/EV members due to the resources we have available and i did touch on this with Quickgloves earlier to give him a little insight into what he's going to have to start and consider when i emailed him earlier.
I don't think the BF3, CoD and Halo players will play Dust the same way as we will at all, but at the same time i think they won't get the same forum coverage or even bother with the meta gaming and the forum posting so it's kinda a moot point there suggesting that their style of play will be a regular part of the Dust community. The players who are reading this and the players who are interested in this sort of thing are the exact people what will make a difference and will be a part of the community.
I know Quickgloves is a good guy, I've been chatting to him via Email and I've seen a lot of his posts on the forums, I'm not criticizing anything about him at all, i like him and he is exactly the sort of player that's going to make an impact here. I was just commenting on how his posts could come over and that a little extra effort here and there would make a huge impact on his and STB's reputation. Goons can be serious too sometimes and i am actually trying to help and not troll here. :D
I do think you being PR was a great call by STB and you've already done a great deal to improve the image, this thread alone has done you a massive amount of good as it's shown you're all willing to learn and take a little constructive criticism and that's something to be respected.
Wolf Ritter,
I totally agree with you about the community, it's very different to anywhere else, The vast majority of EVE forum posters are the scum of the earth but if you really do want to get noticed and stand out you'll see from the members of the community that already stand out and are held with a lot of respect that they tend to approach things very differently to in other MMO's, it may even be worth the STB guys spending some time on the EVE-O forums and in COAD too or even on Kugu.com getting to grips with what's expected, what's frowned upon and what makes people who are respected so successful in New Eden.
You're exactly right in what you said about Mittens being banned not effecting us at all either, We do a lot of our communication out of the game using things like Jabber/Mumble and our own forums and as such we don't even really need to log in to play the game which is ironic really. We log in to fight and make money but the game is much, much deeper than that and requires much more of a time commitment than you'd ever thing if you want to be a part of something special. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 20:24:00 -
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Add me on PSN if you like i'm under as Cerebral_Wolf. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 21:16:00 -
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STB-Quickgloves EV wrote:Ok STB is working on presenting the true chain of command within STB.
We operate as a syndicate an model our leadership after it.
Stop posting here and reply to my last email. :D |
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Posted - 2012.09.21 03:32:00 -
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Quickgloves, Deadpool..
You may want to check this out, it's a perfect example of what we discussed:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=37349&find=unread |
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Posted - 2012.09.21 03:38:00 -
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Ah, a wanna be already? |
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