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Wolf Ritter vonKaldari
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Posted - 2012.09.16 11:35:00 -
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Daedra Lord9 wrote:I don't think people hate STB, so much as they hate seeing them in tanks nonstop.
I don't think STB is capable of that. You have to understand how STB came to be in MAG to understand why they play the way they play: In the beginning when MAG came out most veteran FPS gamers decided to play as the ragtag underdog SVER. So SVER won all the contracts initially, the contracts gave in-game buffs that essentially created a non-stop cycle. Back then there were no neutral maps, you defended your thematic map and attacked your enemies thematic map, and your map catered to your factions playstyle. SVER, for example, was all CQB, they had low accuracy but they hit like a truck. So all their maps emphasized CQB, this compounded a problem, though, all the objectives you needed to capture were in CQB. This made it virtually impossible for an otherwise equally skilled opposition of Valor or Raven to break through against SVER. Then all the nooblets got fed up with losing and moved to SVER, which created the problem that SVER always had twice as many players online as either of the other two factions combined. This is where STB came about, they formed around taking advantage of serious game imbalances and I don't think they're capable of doing anything except taking advantage of game imbalances, there's like a handful of STB with any legitimate skill which can be demonstrated by the tank nerf where you'll see STB tankers (STB needs to quite hiding behind the epithet of "dedicated tankers" since you probably define a tanker as 100% tank all the time) finally pulling out their all-proto fits and losing or almost losing them to scrubs in militia or standard gear.
That said, while I do think STB is a bunch of bandwagoning EZ-Moders, for the most part they did take the tank nerf like champs. |
Wolf Ritter vonKaldari
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:55:00 -
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STB-Quickgloves EV wrote:lol this guy needs a tampon just saying... everyones posting so far has had a level repsectful answer .. your response = im mad casue u zerg rushed me an wrecked me.. not good sir not good
And you wonder why people dislike you? Once a SVER True *****, always a SVER True *****. |
Wolf Ritter vonKaldari
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Posted - 2012.09.19 16:01:00 -
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Going from your post, Deadpool, it appears to me that you and STB are under the assumption that you can be a serious, big name corp in New Eden and still operate like any other small time clan from every other FPS. If that's so it'll be interesting to see your reaction to the new reality you've placed yourselves in. |
Wolf Ritter vonKaldari
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Posted - 2012.09.19 17:03:00 -
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STB DEADPOOL5241 EV wrote:Can you describe this new reality that I am not aware of? I just need clarification on this before I comment. I don't want to seem ignorant but I am unaware of what you are getting at.
You seem to think EVE/Dust Corporations are just the kind of thing where a bunch of guys who like playing together do whatever they feel like with no real authority coming from the leaders and officers. EVE and Dust corporations rely upon a largely strict hierarchy, this is why most serious corporations are structured more like a corporate bureaucracy or in the case of the Goons a dictatorship rather than a happy go-lucky group of casuals mucking about.
STB DEADPOOL5241 EV wrote:This is not my first MMO, this is not my first clan/corp/league. I have played and worked for small leagues in DCUO with 40 players to having my own 200+ squad in Angels of Death (AoD) and working my way up through a league with 10,000 members in it. I see no difference in that to New Eden. Like I said, you seem to be under the illusion that EVE corps and the politicking that goes on inside and between them is like any other MMO or FPS out there. This is not the case unless you're happy sitting in your own corner being nobody of importance.
Quote:We at STB are becoming a large family.
That's awesome. Good for you, unfortunately other corporations who are able to organize better by having an actual hierarchy will take advantage of your lack of one. |
Wolf Ritter vonKaldari
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Posted - 2012.09.19 18:13:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:As for people who i think don't give you guys much credibility on the forums, i'd have to say all of them except yourselves, Quickgloves maybe the boss, but even his posting is terrible and looks like a 12 year old wrote them. You all need to remember that Corps in New Eden are a business, not a social club, if you want to win contracts you need to act and behave to a certain way, a certain level of maturity and professionalism is expected, avin sum1 talk leik dis will get dem ignored innit and they won't win any contracts because people will see them as idiots and judge them based on that. Forum presence and presentation is a big part of your corp and has to be dealt with well.
I had a big post right after Quickgloves earlier, but the Draft saved feature ate it and I gave up, but since you brought it up:
The EVE community is not the same kind of community as other MMOs or FPS communities. It formed around a radically different MMO with radically different requirements to be successful. I don't play EVE. I tried to play it but I didn't have the patience, however, my experience in trying to learn the game and the discussions from my friends who still do does give me some insight into the EVE community. The EVE community has an air of seriousness about it, even when we include the goofy hijinks of many parts of the Clusterfuck Coalition, because learning to play EVE for many was a serious endeavor., but while the learning curve may not be that steep any longer and certainly isn't in Dust, that is the community we are to become a part of.
The expectations for clans in other MMOs and FPS games just don't apply to the denizens of New Eden thanks to the community formed. For example in many MMO or FPS clans it's expected for a clan leader to be at the forefront of anything the clan does, be it raiding to PVP. That doesn't apply to the New Eden corps, alliances, and coalitions. As an example the CEO of Goonswarm Federation, The Mittani, was banned for a month earlier this year due to regrettable actions at this year's Fanfest. However, Goonswarm was unaffected because, at least at the time and this may be outdated info, the Mittani was just an administrator for the alliance and the coalition. He rarely logged on and when he did it was only fix his skill training, he didn't take part in his Alliance on the operational level and left it to the individual directors.
Part of that culture is the way you present yourself on the forums. In the text chat it's fine, but on the forums you have all the time in the world to compose a proper, legible post and you're expected to do so. When you talk in 1337 it lends an air of amateurishness to you and when corp officials like Quickgloves do it extends to your entire corporation as well. If you don't write well that's okay just sit down, plug your post into a word processor and fix as needed.
STB DEADPOOL5241 EV wrote:Also not everyone will play that style of game, in fact VERY few of the corps here are going to go that way. Do you really see COD, BF3 etc, players taking Dust on the PS3 that seriously? This is a console FPSMMO working with a PC MMO. The first of its kind, so while you see it through EVE eyes as a player of that game, most if not ALL of the console gamers won't give two ***** about that and take contracts and jobs because they can, not because of some dictatorship from another corp. Then they'll either stick to arenas and high-sec or get walked over by the ones that learn to adapt to their new home and the expectations of them
Quote:I now get what you both are getting at, your Eve players and you have had years of working in Eve and you know a lot more then I know. I give you that much for sure guys. But what we are about to do with CCP and Dust has never been tried before. So your expectations of the future is only one of many futures this game has.
I don't play EVE, I've just got friends who do and am enamored by the player driven politics, so I have an understanding of what is expected from Dusters who are coming into New Eden. |
Wolf Ritter vonKaldari
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Posted - 2012.09.19 21:01:00 -
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Dane Stark wrote:STB DEADPOOL5241 EV wrote:Yeah Dane you can add me to PSN. Sent. Wolf? Obviously we have had good convo too. Love to friend you on PSN.  EDIT: AnubisKB if you would rather send.
WolfRitter if anyone wants to add. |
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