I have to agree here. I had almost 13 mill when I started tonight and ended at about 10 mill after three games. Im not sure if it is intended to be so high priced or not, but Ill be in militia gear in 15 fights or so. As it is Im only using proto guns, not a proto suite. So I can only imagine how much people are paying for them each round.

I wish that there was some balance between dust and eve in terms of price. in 5 rounds of playing dust I will spend enough for a decent cruiser hull in eve. o_0

I point you to my above post.

Yeah, we were typing at the same time, when I posted yours popped up there

And there is something else....
C'mon man, this is getting ridiculous... PAY TO TALK?

Just paid a bunch of mony on this Stereo Wireless Headset for PS3 only to play and talk on dust... now i have to pay to talk? CMON!!!

I can see why they have those augs in there, but I don't think having them cost AUR is a good idea here

The more I think about it, I hate to say i but yes, CCP has been breaking its promises....
Not good news

They promised us true F2P, and KBM. So far, they haven't delivered on either of those.

Edit: I'm sure there are other broken promises, but those are the only two I care about.

They can break about 50 more promises and still be a more loyal and player driven company than any others out there, except for a very very small select few others.

That being said...

The prices I feel should be dropped -slightly- but not by much. I like these high prices for 1 reason and 1 reason only... You'll see alot more people caring if they lose tanks/vehicles, and using the properly, against people like in BF3 who suicide a tank again and again using it as stupidly as possible and not using it to your teams advantage in anyway shape or form.

This alone makes me go yay to higher prices, higher prices forces players to play more smart, and to take less risks, and all in all, stop doing stupid stuff. Makes me one happy girl.

They promised us true F2P, and KBM. So far, they haven't delivered on either of those.

Edit: I'm sure there are other broken promises, but those are the only two I care about.

Uh, KBM is there now?

Came in with precursor

They promised us true F2P, and KBM. So far, they haven't delivered on either of those.

Edit: I'm sure there are other broken promises, but those are the only two I care about.

The goal was to make running full proto full time impossible without insane funding (ie. goonsquad mercs). This is to make it so you rely on your skills more than your wallet, proto is now for special occasions, and advanced gear is only for when you're getting some pretty good, steady payouts.

I have no doubt that there is also an economic motive behind the price hikes here. You can still get proto gear using AUR. I find it a bit suspicious that they basically makes proto gear too expensive for most while keeping the AUR items with the same or better stats.

Yes they have

KB+M is in - you cannot dispute that

F2P - You download it and play it and dont have to spend any money whatsoever if you dont want to

They have delivered

As far as true F2P, they have not delivered. They have given an advantage to AUR users, and they have even given them exclusive content - both things they have blatantly stated they would not do, on multiple occasions.

What exclusive content? The colors schemes for dropsuits? lower requirements for proto/advanced gear? voicechat between systems?

All above seem like side grades (or useless) to me. They never said they wouldn't give exclusive content to anyone, they said that it wouldn't be pay to win, and so far they've kept their promise.

Edit: what about the Dragonfly suit and the other suit from participating in beta - that's exclusive content available only to beta testers - should those be given to everyone?

No, it isn't. It's a direct breach of their promise not to provide anything extra to paid players.

How do you want ccp to pay all those people to keep dust up and running

I'm confused - how can players sit there and say "it's a part of eve economy, it's meant to be high".... standard fitting for a heavy machine gun using militia shield extenders (which are free) costs 34,000 isk. 6 deaths and you've just hit over 200k in loss, over most of what the average player gets in isk, considering you are using the shittiest gear in the game, do you think the average player will die less than 6 times? no. It's favouring the elite with the money vs the new players who have just joined.

how is a new player with low sp/isk supposed to get off their feet if they are spending their money to die on standard gear

I think we need that reset so it becomes more of a balanced game, right now there are lots with millions left to burn I don't think this weekend will be very clean, when the reset comes, people will be more careful about what they field out.

They revive/squad argument is great, people should be reviving and running in squads.

Here's where it fails to address the issue of actual funding:
Imagine 2 squads meeting face to face with the same skill levels. Everyone has proto gear and good logi's. The fight will be great but someone will die which will usually lead to the entire squad dying. Now every player on that squad, regardless of how awesome they play the rest of the match out, will be in the red money wise.

They argument for use less effective gear fails to address the primary and fundamental part of the game: Why players come back. The goal, the prize, the payoff: The best gear with the best mods!

There's currently no payoff for an average player to invest hours at a time into something that he'll lose it all in one or two matches.

Frankly the game has a MUCH HIGHER focus of kdr before this price increase.

yep proto gear will now only be considered if your borderline in the red and you know that its the only thing that will keep you from losing money.

or when really lucrative contracts are at stake.

or if you just salvaged a bunch from a battlefield

or when really lucrative contracts are at stake.

If the contract is lucrative then it would cover proto, otherwise it's a waste of time. Why bother showing up with substandard equipment?

i dont think a corp will shell out extra isk to replace anything you lost, too many variables you might get a scrub who dies a ton in full proto gear and ends up costing the corp the price of three guys becaus they promised to cover his losses.

and for the above its more of an analyzation by a player who thinks of the substantial price increae as a way for ccp to keep the super vets who have been in for a couple builds from just steamrolling the newer players who are just getting in.

giving everyone a fair shake so to speak.

They argument for use less effective gear fails to address the primary and fundamental part of the game: Why players come back. The goal, the prize, the payoff: The best gear with the best mods!

There's currently no payoff for an average player to invest hours at a time into something that he'll lose it all in one or two matches. No matter how hard he works he will never be wallet-stable.

But every match won't be some elite eve alliance match. Deaths happen and deaths happen much more often in games where you have to run in and disarm a bomb. Oh Sorry guys i can't push forward i can't afford to lose this gear.

It happened tonight, my team pushed forward . We lost the first point and that was it no-one was interested in push forward and losing gear.

Super vet issue is not an issue, you need to know how a game plays with new players vs established players.

As a corp CEO I'm not taking a contract for a fight that will only cover 1 death per player.
I'd only be remotely interested in contracts that provide me with a guaranteed profit, I'm not fighting for space honor, i'm fighting for money.

If there's a win loss difference: like corp A puts up a contract for 12 mill. for a 12 v 12. If they loose they get 6 mill, if they win they get the 12 mil.

Even with the 6 mil over 12 players is 2.5 deaths.

This isn't all about proto gear either, even the lower tier stuff is too expensive. I don't use anything too crazy when I'm doing the infantry thing. A basic caldari assault suit with armor plates, a basic nanohive and a damage mod. I can't afford to lose that suit more than twice per round because I've gone from making 300k to 500k isk per round to around 100k. If I'm extremely lucky I might get 200k.

That doesn't even get in to HAVs. Even bringing a Soma in you might as well just light your isk on fire, because it will die fast and will cost you everything you earn in a match. And despite it being militia, it isn't a BPO anymore so you do have to replace it. Madrugar / Surya? Forget it. With the way things stand I regret training those vehicle skills, because I'll never be in a situation where I can use them. We can talk all we want about how rich alliances will shower us with isk, but the fact is sovereignty warfare will not be part of Dust at release. We're starting out in high-sec / faction war. Their stated goal is to make Dust work as a stand-alone game and then slowly increase the integration with Eve.

I can understand marauders being something we expect capsuleers to buy for us (maybe), but the tier 1 gear needs to be balanced so that we can earn and use it without their help.

C'mon, everything in this game turned to be so damn expensive, and hard to earn SP... I hope this can be issued very soon...

"the driving factor behind prices will be supply and demand"

You can't balance based on what won't be in the game for a long time to come. CCP has said outright that starting out they will be seeding the markets themselves through npc sell orders. The player involvement in the economy will grow slowly over time, as it did with eve. That's how eve wound up with a stable player driven economy...you start out with a rigid economy, then open a little bit to the players and fiddle with it until it's balanced. Right now either costs need to come down or rewards need to go up. Yes this is beta, and things are subject to change. What we are saying is that something needs to change. Shocking.

They promised us true F2P, and KBM. So far, they haven't delivered on either of those.

Edit: I'm sure there are other broken promises, but those are the only two I care about.