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theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.16 21:42:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:"the driving factor behind prices will be supply and demand"
You can't balance based on what won't be in the game for a long time to come. CCP has said outright that starting out they will be seeding the markets themselves through npc sell orders. The player involvement in the economy will grow slowly over time, as it did with eve. That's how eve wound up with a stable player driven economy...you start out with a rigid economy, then open a little bit to the players and fiddle with it until it's balanced. Right now either costs need to come down or rewards need to go up. Yes this is beta, and things are subject to change. What we are saying is that something needs to change. Shocking.
i believe that i did say something along the lines of that that will be the driving factor once we gain full market integration.
but that doesnt mean that ccp wont respond to ppl telling them that prices are to damn high for certain items and they will fix that accordingly. |
Cal Predine
StarKnight Security
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Posted - 2012.08.16 22:01:00 -
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Well, I'm glad to see the prices go up - as mercenaries we should be fighting the economic war as well as the ground/ aerial/ information wars etc. hopefully this trend will eventually stop the kiddies spawning endless chains of dropships as personal tower-camping-wagons, and preventing other players requisitioning vehicles they actually intend to *use* because the vehicle limit has been reached. 
That said, I do have to agree that prices have increased to the extent that it's pretty much inevitable that you'll come out of each battle financially worse off than when you went in. That's just wrong.
Like I said, we're mercenaries, not a charity...
I'm interested to see if chains of supply come into the game, with the employer possibly offering part of the payment in battlefield hardware (with all the opportunities and hazards that represents!) |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2012.08.17 00:33:00 -
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Loot and salvage items will make it easier and corp funding. |
Morgan Shaedos
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Posted - 2012.08.17 02:17:00 -
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This still makes it next to impossible for players who wish to be dedicated pilots, unless they have that backing from some EVE MegaCorp, which simply will not be the case for many. I understand the need to make things more expensive so that the kiddies aren't just randomly dropping tanks on people from orbit. But these prices seem too excessive for vehicles in an fps, where the whole point is combat. We can't use these vehicles for mining, or trading, these vehicles are GOING to be lost far more rapidly than those of people who play eve and can do more with their ships than just fight. Having Dust vehicles cost more than such ships seems ludicrous, especially in the case of something like a light attack vehicle. |
Jonquill Caronite
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.17 03:32:00 -
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MArket incorporates, players buy Aur items off other players with ISK, problem solved...
All CCP needs to do to make sure this balance is created is NOT have ALL items have an Aur counterpart, for now they don't all have Aur counterparts, HAV's are a purely ISK item, which means its working as intended...
Is it pay to win strictly? No.... However, pay to gain a discernible advantage? Yes.
The difference between the two, is pay to win implies you MUST pay to have a reasonable chance at winning, which isn't even remotely true, I survived entirely off ISK on the first patch right along side players with Augmentation and skill enhancing, it was definitely easier the second patch when I used my Aur from the Mercenary Pack I bought, but it wasn't necessary....
So once again, it was clear this was gonna be micro transaction, some things will always be micro transaction ONLY, just like others will be ISK only, and players in EVE operate F2P by using their ISK earnings to buy PLEX, so too can players in Dust use their earned isk to buy aur items later in the game.
Hate to point this out but it was always known that for the game to continue and be profitable, there would have to be a steady consumption of Aur, if players could contently stabilize on ISK, then that wouldn't happen, so whatever you people were smoking when you thought for even a second that was a possibility was clearly good stuff, and its time to wake up from your pipe dreams. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.17 04:53:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:The more I think about it, I hate to say i but yes, CCP has been breaking its promises....
Not good news They promised us true F2P, and KBM. So far, they haven't delivered on either of those. Edit: I'm sure there are other broken promises, but those are the only two I care about.
Free to play does NOT mean everything is free!
You didn't buy the client, you got it for free.
you don't pay to log in, its free.
You don't pay a monthly subscription if average $15 per month, its free.
Ccp has not mislead anyone.
The pay to talk thing is for talking outside of the game, to anyone in new eden be it eve players or dust players. You CAN however talk to all people in the match you are playing and any eve players in orbit who are providing orbital strikes.
Universal voice transmitters are for corporations etc etc. Why would we NEED to talk to anyone in another star system while playing a match!?
How are ccp supposed to earn their money to put food on their table if they give you everything for free????
'Heres a free game for ya! Download it for free, play it for free, get all content for free, don't worry.....we will pay for the cost of running the servers out of our own pocket, oh no no no don't worry about us paying our staff to build and CONSTANTLY MAINTAIN dust 514 with regular patches and annual FREE expansions'............no it don't work that way son.
Look at all those other fps games out the who release sequels every year on the same engine just different story (cough COD cough)....and then charge $15 for a pack of 4 maps, and suckers keep going back for more............lining the developers pockets with greenbacks. And you moan about ccp having to charge for this and that, and while I'm at my drunken rant.........if you seriously wish to purchase aur assets and use them every damn match.....and then moan because they're gone........then you all damn fools.
Aur assets are meant to be used when you NEED that extra kick. There are plenty of isk counterparts that do the job just as good.....if not BETTER.
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