There is a difference between "balancing" and gimping beyond the point of usefulness. The sensitivity sucks, 80 is slow, 100 is whippy. The turn speed is pathetic. And I noticed my aimer getting locked on enemies. Aim assist on KBM? Come on now.

There are 20 points of sensitivity between 80 and 100. Something in there should work.

The other things are serious problems, though.

Does the sensitivity in the PS3 mouse settings have a role in this some way or are they completely separate?

Uh, what?

In the PS3 settings you are able to adjust the sensitivity of the mouse... I've never played a game on PS3 that has it's own mouse sensitivity settings. Was wondering if you lower or higher the PS3 mouse sensitivity settings does it effect the sensitivity in game?

It's probably going to take a lot of tweaking on CCP's part to get it right. They want to make sure that a heavies turn slower than scouts regardless of the controller. Keep playing around with it and let the forum know how it goes.

I agree, i've found myself back at the DS3 because of this. +1

Doesn't that mean you should switch to a PS3? You know, to "do what it takes to win"?

W/e happened to "Adapt or Die"?

W/e happened to "Adapt or Die"?

I have never once preached "adapt or die".

As the game is advertised to have KBM, "Adapt or die" only aplies to those that refuse and are against to adopt the KBM control scheme as its suposed to be a native suported Feature.

So adapt or die only applies to PS3 users? This is a two way street. Players like me need to get used to the fact that KB/M players are gonna come into the game and CCP is gonna work to make sure they're happy. I'm guilty of being against this change a bit. KB/M players have to get used to the fact that this isn't QUAKE. You won't be like Fata1ity out here.

How about HTFU??

Anyway, M&KB does seems terible gimped.

My mouse was set to 100 and mouse scout was turning soooo slooooowww

still - added precision made those charged sniper shots way more easy

so a little of meeeehhh and a chunk of win :)

So fun dragging my mouse across my whole desk to track a target in my scope...

you're funny

I think its funny. Lol

Um the mouse isnt supposed to be better than a ds3 on a ps3 anyway. I think every suit having a turn limit is a good thing keeps mouse from dominating besides the ds3 as a hard turn limiy I.cant push the controls further than the remote will let me.

Um the mouse isnt supposed to be better than a ds3 on a ps3 anyway. I think every suit having a turn limit is a good thing keeps mouse from dominating besides the ds3 as a hard turn limiy I.cant push the controls further than the remote will let me.

I can't find the quote because Google only turns up stuff about this update, but they explicitly stated they wanted keyboard/mouse support that would make PC players feel like they're playing a FPS on the PC. They want the KB+M support to be flawless. So the fact that it is working like garbage is "a problem", and falls short of the target goal, whatever your opinion on using KB+M might be.

The turn speed is pathetic.

Which suits did you try the turn speed on?
The turn speeds should vary based on which suit you're using.

Is it comparable to DS3?
In other words, are you able to turn at the same speed in the same suit with keyboard & mouse as you were with a DS3?

Were you expecting an unfair advantage over DS3 players by being able to flip forward & backward in the blink of an eye just because you had a mouse & keyboard?
The beta test is here to make sure that everyone enters a moderately level playing field. Enjoy!

I can't find the quote because Google only turns up stuff about this update, but they explicitly stated they wanted keyboard/mouse support that would make PC players feel like they're playing a FPS on the PC. They want the KB+M support to be flawless. So the fact that it is working like garbage is "a problem", and falls short of the target goal, whatever your opinion on using KB+M might be.

They were... similar to the DS3. Basically, you have a box that you can aim in. In that box, it's just like using KBM on any PC FPS game, snappy aiming, precise, yada yada. But, if you reach the egde of your box, BAM! it's like a wall of slow, you're stuck at the DS3 turn speed when you have the joystick pressed all the way to the side. In short, very unnatural, very ******.

As stated above:

...so KB/M is actually WiiMote :P

Then you should buy a KBM. Honestly, I have trouble playing FPS games on consoles just because the controls suck. Sure, Halo was fun, but for whatever reason Bungie just did something so right that the controls felt decent. I use my PS3 for gaming more than my PC (at least I did when I was big into MAG, all I play now is League of Legends), so my opinion is not biased on me being a long time KBM user, it's just a statement of fact that KBM is better suited for FPS gaming.

And saying "KBM isn't supposed to be better than DS3 on PS3" is stupid, did you know that the PS3 has native support for KBM? Thats right, you can plug a KBM right into your PS3 and use them to navigate your videos, music, games, the webrowser, and the PS Store! So tell me, how is a KBM not a "normal" control option for the PS3?

I know it has native support. I stopped questioning those usb port thingys and the usefulness. I just find ot funny for the intire leagth of the argument for mouse support the ds3 players have said it will have nerfed turn speed and well you all sound surprise that ccp new game meant to lure in new players didnt make eve players feel like gods vs us lowly unworthy console player. Forgive us I full support improving turn speed for mouse people what was I thinking

Im enjoying this let me lmao. But truthfully the controls for either one feel clunky in this build so maybe once they fix the games movement in general it will get better wait till they fix that then see if kb/m is still messed up.

Almost forgot with that bit of honesty to grovel. Oh mighty evetards. Rofl. Smart*** is my job I do it well

EVEtard, yeah, thats what I am. I have an EVE account that was active back in december, and I reactivated it a couple days ago. Oh am I ever one godly EVEtard.

KBM was promised as it is on PC games, and here they deliver this BS gimped to **** version, so bad that I'd rather just used the DS3. All I can do is be disappointed, considering so far this build is nothing more than shiny.

it's honestly probably for the best if the KB/M support either went away, or was just left to wither on the vine. it's going to be nothing but divisive.

anyone who actually believes it offers no tangible benefit, then why do you want it so badly? if it's all about preference and personal experience, give yourself time to acclimate to the gamepad. right?

and if you acknowledge the advantage it gives then... how is that fair? and any argument you can come up with for why it being fair shouldn't matter can immediately be turned back on you. oh it's the console gamers fault for not learning to use KB/M? maybe it's the pc gamers fault for not learning to use a gamepad?

so don't bother. at the end of the day, the PC gamers are in the console gamers house here, so tie goes to gamepad.

Grouping players by tank usage/EVE playing/input device preference is a good way to make enemies, especially when you only assume it. I look forward to blowing you up with my Forge Gun until the wipe Avenger, then you can come back and QQ about them some more, because a DS3 using, EVE playing, Forge Gunning fellow ended you with a lucky shot

In the end, the PS3 has native support for KBM, so **** your argument, SONY implemented this before CCP did.

And yes, it does give an advantage. An advantage that A) CCP can offer to all players without the need for a 3rd party device in the realm of $60-$100 or, B) players that want KBM can go out, buy a 3rd party device, **** you anyway, and now you don't have an easy way to retaliate.

I think it's fair to say that in the case of FPS games, console gamers are in the realm of PC gamers. As far as I know, Wolfenstein3D wasn't an Xbox title. I don't think DooM or DukeNukem were either.. Maybe Quake was? hmm... I guess I could be wrong though

Just a nitpick, but aren't the Keyboard and the mouse already third party devices?

In the end, the PS3 has native support for KBM, so **** your argument, SONY implemented this before CCP did.

Depends, are they SONY brand? Or an off brand?

because your kb/m work so well that it was clearly meant to be the primary input, and always has been? especially for all those other shooters?

ps3 supported linux for a while to, we all make mistakes.

I just use Logitech stuff from my Monster Hunter days, so I guess I'm third party trash.

Grouping players by tank usage/EVE playing/input device preference is a good way to make enemies, especially when you only assume it. I look forward to blowing you up with my Forge Gun until the wipe Avenger, then you can come back and QQ about them some more, because a DS3 using, EVE playing, Forge Gunning fellow ended you with a lucky shot

Lookin foward to it my snipers lining up the shot right now.

I think im to drunk to be angry about stupid forges lol.

hey other guy I realy do think once movement in general is addresed it will get better for mouses so wait until.ccp checks into that before you going asking for an improvemnt to one system or the other.

Psh, I don't even know what brand my mouse is Logitech definitely makes some quality stuff though.

Meh, I use the bargain basement stuff... on topic, although I prefer using the DS3, even if they had fully functional, PC like KB/M support, that isn't the issue. The issue is that they promised KB/M support since before the beta, and they need to come through with those promises to keep the goodwill of the playerbase. I know several people who quit in disgust over the debacle of KB/M.

...I HAVE IT!!! Let the mouse control crosshair roam and turning, but include turning controls ON THE KEYBOARD as well, maybe make them c.v.b.f. or something. You can still aim while turning at a preset speed. It isn't a perfect fix, but please take from this idea what you will. I would like to be credited, but don't let that stop you from making your own posts on the subject :P

for the record, i see move as a worthless gimmick. but move is a HARMLESS worthless gimmick.

i don't think sonys mad dash to cash in on the popularity of the wii-mote with the retirement home crowd will ever be a legitimately good input device. there's a reason ps3 still comes with a dualshock in the box.

Movement isn't an issue for me, seems fine. It's turn speed.

Walking aroung feels floaty and disconnecting, turning even for my ds3 feels wrong and now that aim assist is down I realise how the guns move around is awful. Maybe im to drunk ill find out tomarrow

I think it's fine, might be the alcohol. Wanna share?

Yeah it was the alcohol, but the game pace did slow down and the turn speed in general is off for heavys let them fix that along with hit detection and lag before the start tweaking kb/m

for the record, i see move as a worthless gimmick. but move is a HARMLESS worthless gimmick.

i don't think sonys mad dash to cash in on the popularity of the wii-mote with the retirement home crowd will ever be a legitimately good input device. there's a reason ps3 still comes with a dualshock in the box.

Why is Move a harmless worthless gimmick, but not kb+m?

The mouse and keyboard, IMO, work perfectly well in DUST. Better than having no mouse and keyboard at all.

Not really. I unplugged it after the first 5 minutes. It's as a bad as playing CoD on a Wii.

He thinks controls in CoD Wii games are bad look at this guy ahaha

Because they are, just like they're bad on the PS3 and Xbox. FPS games are best played with KBM, other control styles just feel.. Bad.

Just controls poorly like one.

What are you basing this on?

Experience.

...you wont "need" KBM to be effective in high level play, but it will be an advantage that you will want to have. For many, even if it wasn't provided naturally in the game, they would be willing to drop the extra cash to gain that advantage over you. So, would you rather have it available to everyone, so that everyone is on an even playing field? Or would you rather only those that buy the extra accessories be able to have an unfair advantage?

They were... similar to the DS3. Basically, you have a box that you can aim in. In that box, it's just like using KBM on any PC FPS game, snappy aiming, precise, yada yada. But, if you reach the egde of your box, BAM! it's like a wall of slow, you're stuck at the DS3 turn speed when you have the joystick pressed all the way to the side. In short, very unnatural, very ******.

90% of the player base will not disappear, as more than 50% of players will probably just be looking for arcade style gameplay, with a more interesting skill system. So now you've got a minority of players, looking to be very hardcore about the game, trying to use every advantage possible. KBM will not hurt the game if allowed to be used as normal - as CCP promised us before beta started.

Players will not adapt, and will not die: they/we will LEAVE Dust 514 for better FPS/experinces.

So fun dragging my mouse across my whole desk to track a target in my scope...

boohoo on the poor KBM turn try dealing with a DS3 vs a KBM in sniping circumstances. pretty sure the advantages you currently have outweigh the disadvantages if you don't think so go back to your PC and buy a new video card and some RAM while you are at it.:P

The thing is, heavies don't turn any slower. Assault class with an SG is just as bad as a Heavy with an FG. KBM hardcap turn speed makes it impossible to do anything, thats just not how the controls should feel.

I say scrap the hardcap and turn speed limit completely, and make it so HighSec matchmaking battles are made based on control scheme, so that KBM never fight DS3. As an option, you should be able to turn the hardcap turnspeed back on, to play with your DS3 friends - if you feel so inclined.

Low/Null-sec should not be gimped just because players are unwilling to do what it takes to win, isn't that the whole idea of EVE?

boohoo on the poor KBM turn try dealing with a DS3 vs a KBM in sniping circumstances. pretty sure the advantages you currently have outweigh the disadvantages if you don't think so go back to your PC and buy a new video card and some RAM while you are at it.:P

Why allow aimbots to work better? BTW hardcap turn rate is tied into everything in the game. There may even be modules for it.

hell there are variants of guns that modifies this speed.

W/e happened to "Adapt or Die"?

What people should be saying is that the controls, both DS3 and Keyboard/mouse, should be on the same playing field as far as in game capabilities go. Which currently they are not, close but not. Turning speed on the mouse still seems to lag on big turns vs the DS3, especially in vehicle turrets. In smaller areas the mouse/keyboard seem to have waaay better response over the DS3.

You do realize, that some of us have consoles because of A) exclusive games, or B) we can't even come close to affording a decent PC setup? One of my brothers has an $850 PC, the other has a $1200 PC. I have $200 in the bank, I can't even afford a low end PC.


Just because there are turn speeds in everything in the game, doesn't make them realistic. How long does it take you to turn around holding a shotgun? Or perhaps an M1911? Maybe a P90?

Also, how often do you ever run into someone with an AimBot on a console game? You can always cry about people that aim better than you, but realistically there aren't very many modders.

I was so excited when I saw the servers were up, got my KBM ready to go, and got in a game. Long story short, WTF CCP?

There is a difference between "balancing" and gimping beyond the point of usefulness. The sensitivity sucks, 80 is slow, 100 is whippy. The turn speed is pathetic. And I noticed my aimer getting locked on enemies. Aim assist on KBM? Come on now.

If KBM is going to be a viable control scheme, you're going to need to significantly raise the turn speed cap, or maybe just scrap it. Honestly, if you can make matches based on the control scheme people are using, just don't place KBM players against DS3 players in HighSec or something.

With the current available controls, I will never be able to experience what this game is made to be - I suck with the DS3, and the current KBM is unusable.

The whole point is to balance the control methods in stages. Keep giving feedback, because they need it, but this game should -NEVER- group people based on control methods. That is completely counter to the goal of this game, which is to allow everyone to use the control method of their preference without it affecting who they can play the game with.

The whole point is to balance the control methods in stages. Keep giving feedback, because they need it, but this game should -NEVER- group people based on control methods. That is completely counter to the goal of this game, which is to allow everyone to use the control method of their preference without it affecting who they can play the game with.

Wouldn't have an effect outside of HighSec matchmaking, and it would stop the crying.

This game is crazy. It's the only one where I have to use a mouse, keyboard, and gamepad. Not that I'm complaining, flying things SUCKS in a KBM setup.

However... I don't know how people can complain about the sensitivity. Maybe they have super gaming mice or something. I'm using a generic, bargain bin corded USB laser mouse and there isn't enough sensitivity in the game for me. Maybe I need to upgrade hardware, but I have the sensitivity on the PS3 -and- Dust cranke to maximum and it STILL isn't enough. Maybe I should use my PC mouse, but its' one of those MMO edition Nagas, and I really don't want to have to keep moving it back and forth.

do we know if the possibility to remap is coming ior it will be in next build ?

I don't really understand why they had to go add Keyb + Mouse support... They should have left it DS3 / Move only from the start, and there would not have been all this whining. I mean, it's a PS3 exclusive, play the game like a PS3 game.

Not everyone playing BF3 on PC has exactly the same skill with Keyb + Mouse, just like no one playing on PS3 has the same skill with DS3. Why go complicate something that was perfectly simple. If you don't like DS3, either learn to use the damn thing, like any PS3 player had to do the first few weeks of owning a console, or just don't play it.. There are many games I don't play because something in it does not work for me, I don't go cry about it, I just don't play it. Allowing Keyb + Mouse WILL just cause long term frustration for the players and CCP, more than not having the support at all would have had, mark my words...

This was a bad idea, and balancing it perfectly will be close to impossible. Should have left out Keyb + Mouse completely, but I guess time will tell if CCP can make it work. I'm not particularly good with the DS3 or Keyb + Mouse, it's just my opinion that they should have kept controller choice to a minimum. Now they will be dealing with this debate forever, unless they "filter" controllers, and that goes against the spirit of EVE and the whole persistent world thing imo.

I play EVE, I play shooters on PS3, I play shooters on PC using Keyb + Mouse, so please don't tell me I'm some PS3 fanboy, I'm stating what I believe is fact, so let's wait and see... Endless whining I tell ya, just wait and see....

I'm not starting a fight, that's just my opinion, and I'm 100% sure I'm not the only one that feels this way. :)

that whole schpiel is just plain dumb. it would be STUPID of ccp to not have integrated kb/m. there are a LOT of people including myself who refuse to play shooters of any kind with a controller. the fact that dust added kb/mouse support is the ONLY reason im even willing to play it at all. you honestly think that cutting an entire customer base simply because YOU dont like mice being in the game is a good idea? thats ********. thats a TON of money from microtransactions they would lose. the funny part is that the PS3 itself supports kb/mouse anyway, if i can control the PS3 with a KB/Mouse why the hell shouldnt i be able to play the games on it with them?