People who play fighting games sometimes use arcade sticks. In some games, it can give a significant advantage. Arcade sticks are expensive.

Do people cry about it? No. They do not. Using a custom setup is an accepted and often expected part of the hobby.

People who play racing games competitively sometimes use wheels. Same deal.

Flight games, flight sticks. All of these things can give an innate advantage if you learn how to master them.... and no one complains.

Yet when it comes down to FPS games... and ONLY on consoles... suddenly nobody can handle a little KB/M. I guess console shooters are special, huh?

Well, if you read the interview that Isarian Menoptra posted, you'll see that matchmaking will know who uses KB/M and who uses controller, and will match games accordingly.

There will be no matchmaking in Nullsec, which is the only relevant part of this game for any Dust corp that wishes to make its mark. The kind of unbalance that M/KB will cause (if supported fully) means that a lot of players will never make that leap (or even bother playing), because all the most dominant corps will be the ones with mouse and keyboard.

Raaargh I'm a PC player Raaargh. Raaargh console players should have to adapt to a M+KB even though it's a console Raaargh.
That's what I got from that message.

Valid points. Does it make it any less unfair though?

The reason CCP made DUST for consoles was to appeal to a different gaming market. If console players are getting owned by even a few EVE players with KBM, many will not stay. What do hours of grinding and skill mean for a gamepad user if in a supposedly even battle with a KBM user, they lose? I would quit and play something else.

Call me a quitter all you want, but it's no fun playing versus someone who always has an edge in combat. It's ironic that 'Adapt or DIe' is touted by many EVE players, yet they refuse to play with a gamepad on a console game.

Access to better hardware is not forbiden, thus its not unfair.

I am in the *redacted* beta of a game about warplanes. People can play with whatever controls they want.

Control sticks have an advantage over kbm because its far more easier to pull crazy manouvers, while the mouse is limited on the axis games and doing a barrel roll is pretty hard.

Still i play with mouse and not complain. If it really matters to me I would go and spend some bucks on a decent control surface.

Theres diferent controls everywhere, on every platform. Its a matter of choice to use them or no.

Hell, I could use mouse on PS3 right now if I bought that things that allow a mouse to be used, that i am sure a lot of people are already using anyway. Just waiting because support was annouced for kbm even before the beta started.....

suck it

I get 18/5 all the time with my controller. I will use the M&K for sniping maybe. but only becuase I'm more used to it.

just wait everyone is ging to ***** that M&K is gimped and unfair. dust as turning speed as a part of game play. you think suddenly they are going to remove that for M&K players? please, it'll be fine. the mouse is just another type of joystick. in PC games you can do super fast 180s in a blink with high dpi. Won't be the case in dust, your aiming speed will be tied to which suit your wearing.

You are right, bad K/D has nothing to do with the DS3, its because the player is not yet skilled enough to use it. I believe that even the HC PC players would learn to master the DS3 if they where forced to.

Now that the next build has been confirmed having M/K, I will be looking forward to seeing how much of a advantage M/K will have over DS3. I hope my assumptions about M/K are wrong, and it wont give an unfair advantage, but since Unreal T had segregation of M/K and DS3 players it must have been their for a reason.

It will give you an advantage, mostly in reaction time.
Aiming ability will still boil down to the individual.

Just having a mouse and keyboard does not instantly make you a god, I think people are overreacting.

I am certainly against the segregation of anything. Should people want to do things a certain way, LET THEM DO IT.

quote from ccp "We are also working to add controller-based filters into Instant Battle/Matchmaking for a following update"
sounds good for highsec console gamers.

What about nullsec console gamers? I guess they are just screwed.

Whoah whoah whoah, just because it isn't forbidden doesn't mean it isn't unfair. A mouse is more accurate than a thumbstick when shooting. That's the whole point. It is unfair, because a mouse is loads better.

I'm glad you don't complain, but just because you don't care doesn't mean it isn't an issue either. This stuff matters when you get to high level gameplay. When giant contracts are on the line and I'm fighting good players, I don't want to be at a disadvantage simply because I use a gamepad to play.

Of course you can get things to use KBM on ps3. What I'm saying is that CCP shouldn't support it themselves. If a player wants to use KBM on a ps3 so badly, let them get the extra stuff required for them to do so. The barrier to using KBM should be higher, not lower. Why? Because a mouse makes a player more deadly than their thumbstick counterpart.

Correct that would screw console players, and its like telling us that we are second-rank players, that cant survive in null-sec. I foresee this M/K issue to be a permanent problem for Dust.

If CCP manages to balance KBM with the DS3, then I am perfectly fine with it.

However, if at any point it even SEEMS like the mouse is giving an unfair advantage (however slight) to KBM users, CCP should do away with their direct support of it.

There is absolutely NO reason that a player using the native input device for the ps3 should be at a disadvantage just because others choose to use KBM.

CCP better balance the KBM well and balance it soon.

Why are people acting like this is new?

CCP said it would be KMB compatible from before anyone other than eve players, and the most hardcore dust followers had even heard of the game.

Its something that eve players asked be done while the game was in development, and ccp (the great company that they are) obliged.

USB KBM are cheap. You can easily go and pick up both for <$40. The game is F2P anyways, so why complain?

If you think its an unfair advantage, then go get a KBM. If you prefer the DS3, use that instead.

You know, I'm not sure I understand why people would consciously choose to stay with a control method that they freely acknowledge to be inferior.

lol, I often ask that question of myself. I really want to get a gaming rig, but I just can't afford it right now. Almost all the games I want to play anymore are on PC and they look so much better. I'm jealous.

In theory, people should switch over to the superior control inputs, but the fact is that nearly everyone on console uses a gamepad. Given that fact, CCP should be very careful how they balance the KBM. I for one, want this game to survive and thrive. Can't do that without the gamepad-using lower-class.