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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:54:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:Cross-posting my response from another thread:
As someone who has extensive FPS experience with both KBM and controller, I can confidently say that any decent KBM player will wtfpwn any controller player. If KBM is allowed in DUST, it will become an even bigger balancing challenge than balancing n00bs and those with millions of SP. In fact, I don't see how KBM and controller could be balanced, unless turn speed is locked for KBM - and that might not be workable at all.
As much as I hate to say this, KBM is a really really bad idea for DUST. If every PS3 player had a bluetooth KB+M (I do), it would be a whole different story - but they don't.
Agreed, people just don't seem to understand that. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:15:00 -
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I think matchmaking KBM with other KBM users is the only real solution if there is going to be KBM support.
However, that still isn't good. That essentially segregates most EVE players from the console players on DUST. Is that really what CCP and this community needs. I don't think so.
It seems to me that most reasonable PC gamers accept the fact that KBM makes them at least slightly more deadly than their console counter-parts. So the argument now is whether to segregate KBM players from gamepad players, and I don't think segregation is ever a good option for the same game on the same system.
Don't support KBM on DUST. I realize that there are peripherals out there for KBM, but CCP should NOT put KBM support in the game themselves. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:31:00 -
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Rikuto Kuronaga wrote:People who play fighting games sometimes use arcade sticks. In some games, it can give a significant advantage. Arcade sticks are expensive.
Do people cry about it? No. They do not. Using a custom setup is an accepted and often expected part of the hobby.
People who play racing games competitively sometimes use wheels. Same deal.
Flight games, flight sticks. All of these things can give an innate advantage if you learn how to master them.... and no one complains.
Yet when it comes down to FPS games... and ONLY on consoles... suddenly nobody can handle a little KB/M. I guess console shooters are special, huh?
Valid points. Does it make it any less unfair though?
The reason CCP made DUST for consoles was to appeal to a different gaming market. If console players are getting owned by even a few EVE players with KBM, many will not stay. What do hours of grinding and skill mean for a gamepad user if in a supposedly even battle with a KBM user, they lose? I would quit and play something else.
Call me a quitter all you want, but it's no fun playing versus someone who always has an edge in combat. It's ironic that 'Adapt or DIe' is touted by many EVE players, yet they refuse to play with a gamepad on a console game. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 20:09:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:
Access to better hardware is not forbiden, thus its not unfair.
I am in the *redacted* beta of a game about warplanes. People can play with whatever controls they want.
Control sticks have an advantage over kbm because its far more easier to pull crazy manouvers, while the mouse is limited on the axis games and doing a barrel roll is pretty hard.
Still i play with mouse and not complain. If it really matters to me I would go and spend some bucks on a decent control surface.
Theres diferent controls everywhere, on every platform. Its a matter of choice to use them or no.
Hell, I could use mouse on PS3 right now if I bought that things that allow a mouse to be used, that i am sure a lot of people are already using anyway. Just waiting because support was annouced for kbm even before the beta started.....
Whoah whoah whoah, just because it isn't forbidden doesn't mean it isn't unfair. A mouse is more accurate than a thumbstick when shooting. That's the whole point. It is unfair, because a mouse is loads better.
I'm glad you don't complain, but just because you don't care doesn't mean it isn't an issue either. This stuff matters when you get to high level gameplay. When giant contracts are on the line and I'm fighting good players, I don't want to be at a disadvantage simply because I use a gamepad to play.
Of course you can get things to use KBM on ps3. What I'm saying is that CCP shouldn't support it themselves. If a player wants to use KBM on a ps3 so badly, let them get the extra stuff required for them to do so. The barrier to using KBM should be higher, not lower. Why? Because a mouse makes a player more deadly than their thumbstick counterpart. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:05:00 -
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Darkz azurr wrote:quote from ccp "We are also working to add controller-based filters into Instant Battle/Matchmaking for a following update" sounds good for highsec console gamers.
What about nullsec console gamers? I guess they are just screwed. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:38:00 -
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If CCP manages to balance KBM with the DS3, then I am perfectly fine with it.
However, if at any point it even SEEMS like the mouse is giving an unfair advantage (however slight) to KBM users, CCP should do away with their direct support of it.
There is absolutely NO reason that a player using the native input device for the ps3 should be at a disadvantage just because others choose to use KBM.
CCP better balance the KBM well and balance it soon. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:57:00 -
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testguy242 wrote:You know, I'm not sure I understand why people would consciously choose to stay with a control method that they freely acknowledge to be inferior.
lol, I often ask that question of myself. I really want to get a gaming rig, but I just can't afford it right now. Almost all the games I want to play anymore are on PC and they look so much better. I'm jealous.
In theory, people should switch over to the superior control inputs, but the fact is that nearly everyone on console uses a gamepad. Given that fact, CCP should be very careful how they balance the KBM. I for one, want this game to survive and thrive. Can't do that without the gamepad-using lower-class. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 22:13:00 -
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testguy242 wrote:
It just seems like that if people care enough to come on the forums and complain about it, they would buy a cheap mouse and keyboard and use the "unfair" advantage for themselves.
I'm not saying everyone should use one control method or the other--just that both are open to all players.
I would agree with you, except that the DS3 is the native control method for the ps3. It's not fair to make console games buy extra peripherals for a game that shouldn't need it.
Why would a company make a pc game where, to compete effectively, players had to purchase a gamepad? It's the same concept.
But I digress... |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 22:37:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:I'm not crazy about having to buy a M&K setup, but I'm comfortable with the idea of basically needing one to compete in nullsec infantry combat.
Plus, let us not forget that there are plenty of roles in which having super accuracy is not essential. (Vehicles, support roles, Swarm Launching, etc.)
Wait, so because I play with a gamepad I can't compete effectively in nullsec AND the only roles I can serve are vehicles and support? That just means it is a bad game if 50% or more of the user base can only play a few of the roles needed in DUST.
As I said before, CCP should either not support KBM or they need to do a really good job balancing it. An apathetic attitude like yours Knarf Black will drive this game into the ground. |
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:44:00 -
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Lonewolf514 wrote:PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Can't wait to test it.
I just hope that if it does create an imbalance in the game, people are level headed enough to realize that it is not good for the health of the game going forward. really, yuor so short minded imo. ill honour the guarantee. :) like a ferral alley cat.
Just like a tarzan in the jungles of russia =)
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Posted - 2012.08.10 22:14:00 -
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Dreamion08 wrote:Just implement the precursor patch already, and also, fully support M/KB so I don't need to wait for a PC release, really. I'll never play a FPS on a console with a controller, any other genre is fine, no problem, but just not an FPS.
adapt or die b!tch |
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