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ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.29 14:03:00 - [31] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: Rohkum Rumik wrote: I don't have KB/M yet so i'm not playing anymore Seriously. So people talk about how harsh of a game eve is and everyone should just HTFU yet they can't adapt to DS3 so they don't play. No wonder the numbers have been so low. Its the eve players that need to HTFU EvE players talk all big while not understanding CCP has held their hand from the day they joined new Eden. Tbh Dust is a joke. In poor taste. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH... whats the joke again... Oh EVETARDS
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.29 14:04:00 - [32] - Quote riverini 2 wrote: Milk Supreme wrote: Why does nobody want Kinect support? Because after 30 mins of nonstop playing you will start to feel a condition we human interface designers call "Gorilla Arm" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#.22Gorilla_arm.22 Haven't bought a kinect, not i want to, KB/mice should be enough. While your answer isn't terrible, I believe that YAY BUTTONS is a better response to the question of Kinect support.
Deskalkulos Ildigan CrimeWave Syndicate 115	Posted - 2012.07.29 14:08:00 - [33] - Quote xeto rak wrote: You can always try KB/M and see if it's better than the standard controller. Nothing is broken, it's a matter of choice. Wrong answer as there are several people who actually dont have a usb / bluetooth keyboard / mouse (i myself am typing this message via Laptop - what doesn't mean that i dont have a keyboard, i just wanted to remind that there is a definite possibility that there are no keyboards at home. I even met IT-students who didn't even have a pc or pc-equivalent at home). Telling them to buy it then "since it is cheap" is also the wrong answer by the way. @Gorilla Arm: I kind of get really tired using the PS Move (You know actually standing up then waving the controller up and down and so on using things like sharpshooter), so i can say that such an arm is by no way to be taken lightly . . . oh and i still suck at ps move.
hobinm Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.07.30 05:57:00 - [34] - Quote actually, i know a lot of other ps3 players like myself that are turned off by any fps game that does not support kb/mouse. and will not play any fps that do not support kb/mouse. so if there is no/kb/mouse support that means there will be less players to support this game. and i mean more people than you realize that feel the same way as i do about fps games on the ps3
Dante Brown Algintal Core Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2012.07.30 07:03:00 - [35] - Quote riverini 2 wrote: Milk Supreme wrote: Why does nobody want Kinect support? Because after 30 mins of nonstop playing you will start to feel a condition we human interface designers call "Gorilla Arm" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#.22Gorilla_arm.22 Haven't bought a kinect, not i want to, KB/mice should be enough. You guys do know kinect is for xbox right?
Osiris Greywolf Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.07.30 08:09:00 - [36] - Quote Dante Brown wrote: riverini 2 wrote: Milk Supreme wrote: Why does nobody want Kinect support? Because after 30 mins of nonstop playing you will start to feel a condition we human interface designers call "Gorilla Arm" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#.22Gorilla_arm.22 Haven't bought a kinect, not i want to, KB/mice should be enough. You guys do know kinect is for xbox right? Yes, but it's only fair we have the choice.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.30 09:57:00 - [37] - Quote Kinect is USB right? If thats the case.. well... PS3 supports all USB accessories! So why dont we start using USB headsets as controlls? "RUN FORWARD! STOP! TURN LEFT! SHOOT THAT MUDA FUDA UP!" lol. In all reality though, adding KBM in no way gimps the game, or gives an unfair advantage. Just because you personally *Do Not Choose* to use KBM, does not make it unfair. It just makes you weaker for not using the tools available to you. \ And really, if you don't have a keyboard and mouse in your house, or don't have a friend that would swap you a keyboard and mouse for a little green slip of paper with a 5 written on it... then you must live in africa.
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.07.30 10:40:00 - [38] - Quote Nah what dust need is a treadmill support to simulate the real life of a merc on field, just imagine if the character on screen would run as fast as you do and just after 2months you would have superior stamina compared to scrubs who have just started ! The feature would have a full move support of c. for authentic experience move will be included with electro shock connected to various parts of your body such a groins.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.30 10:53:00 - [39] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Just because you personally *Do Not Choose* to use KBM, does not make it unfair. It just makes you weaker for not using the tools available to you. Unless, for some reason, you DON'T have that tool available to you. Some don't. But my point about KB+M is still valid. WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED YET. It's possible CCP will do it right, and it won't be an unfair advantage. I'm expecting that to be the case. Worst-case scenario, for me, will mean that I still have the option of KB+M, so in spite of that being a less-preferred option, I can work with it.
Dillan NightStorm Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 70	Posted - 2012.07.30 11:13:00 - [40] - Quote Until we see what happens with the game there is no telling what will happen DS3 could get extra aim assist if the M&K gets introduced, M&K might only ever get introduced for Menus and typing. Quite simply If K&M is introduced I am of the opinion that it will kill off the game leaving very few people playing this with M&K only. The PS3 is a console with a DS3 as it's main controller I really doubt people will go out of their way to buy M&K just to play a F2P game. For all the PC fans if you can't use a DS3 then tough. Stop trying to force the Games console to be an under-performing PC and just stick to playing PC games. If you don't want to leave your hard fought for planets in the hands of console players then the old Eve rule applies don't fly what you don't want to loose. Either that or learn how to use a controller. It's really simple! Personally I am a M&K and Controller user I can use either or it makes no difference to me but I do see the use of M&K in this game putting off a lot more people than those that use M&K on the PS3.

Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:48:00 - [41] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Just because you personally *Do Not Choose* to use KBM, does not make it unfair. It just makes you weaker for not using the tools available to you. Unless, for some reason, you DON'T have that tool available to you. Some don't. But my point about KB+M is still valid. WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED YET. It's possible CCP will do it right, and it won't be an unfair advantage. I'm expecting that to be the case. Worst-case scenario, for me, will mean that I still have the option of KB+M, so in spite of that being a less-preferred option, I can work with it. Again, a very small minority of people don't have a mouse and keyboard available to them. I have never been in someone's house, and not seen a mouse and keyboard somewhere. And the point about "some people don't want to go buy accessories just for one game" is total BS, have you never been on *CraigsList*? Free stuff everywhere on that site.
Tariq Tamir Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2012.07.30 23:31:00 - [42] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Again, a very small minority of people don't have a mouse and keyboard available to them. That may be true, but not many PS3 players will be able to accommodate a KBM setup, since the PS3 is primarily, as it is meant to be, a living room console. A very small minority of people don't have a table available to them -- but they aren't going to park it in the middle of the living room either. The real issue, since KBM is a decided feature, is ensuring CCP balances the playing field for DS3 players.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.30 23:32:00 - [43] - Quote This isn't ever going to end, is it?
Tariq Tamir Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2012.07.30 23:38:00 - [44] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: This isn't ever going to end, is it? Almost certainly not!
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.31 00:05:00 - [45] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Kinect is USB right? If thats the case.. well... PS3 supports all USB accessories! So why dont we start using USB headsets as controlls? "RUN FORWARD! STOP! TURN LEFT! SHOOT THAT MUDA FUDA UP!" lol. In all reality though, adding KBM in no way gimps the game, or gives an unfair advantage. Just because you personally *Do Not Choose* to use KBM, does not make it unfair. It just makes you weaker for not using the tools available to you. \ And really, if you don't have a keyboard and mouse in your house, or don't have a friend that would swap you a keyboard and mouse for a little green slip of paper with a 5 written on it... then you must live in africa. Where about on the continent of Africa might they live dumbass?
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.08.02 21:16:00 - [46] - Quote Keyboard and mouse couldn't come soon enough for me. Have been on at 2pm today for about an hour then again at 5pm till just now. I've tried playing with the controller and with a Move gadget that came bundled with the playstation. The gamepad I cant aim with and the Move controller/joypad combo seems very buggy - the crosshair jumps around a lot more than aiming with the keypad so it's basically a gun with more recoil that's impossible to aim, when the keypad and move are combined the movement keypad seems to lose connectivity in the game client so basically leaving the avatar in the middle of the battlefield unable to move in any direction. Tried everyway I can to get it to reconnect the only thing that will work is restarting the game client. I haven't tried it with the navigation pad as I didn't get one of them in the bundle. I did explore what was causing the movement pad to "disconnect", it happens when I move the keypad into the vision area of the Move camera. Maybe someone else can test it and confirm. I'll have a look throught the bugs forum and check if anyone else has reported it.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.02 21:29:00 - [47] - Quote Keyboards will be important in communicating with EVE players via live chat and email. From there it's a logical progression to include the mouse for those who want that. It may even add more players from the PC who would otherwise not be involved. I doubt the mouse will be better than the DS3 for vehicles though. Hopefully both can run simultaneously. PS: this topic has been done to death. It's coming, give it a shot. It's beta.
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.08.02 21:39:00 - [48] - Quote i know it's beta :) but when you have a kill ratio of about 50 deaths and 2 kills i don't think anything could come fast enough.
sundown d'kay DETHDEALERS 12	Posted - 2012.08.03 08:31:00 - [49] - Quote I remember with UnrealT, they made is so that M/K players could not be in the same match as DS3 players. I don't really see that as an option with Dust, but I really hope that CCP has a plan if they implement M/K. There is no doubt that M/K will give the player an unfair advantage over DS3 players, and if they do decided to handicap M/K in some way, than its not gonna be "real" M/K support. Only time will tell how CCP is gonna deal with this problem, but if M/K is gonna give the player an advantage over DS3 players, then I will not be playing Dust, even if I've been looking forward to this game ever since it was announced. I could go buy a M/K for my PS3, but why should I ? I play perfectly with the DS3 and have been doing this for years. Why CCP would even consider given the game M/K support in combat is beyond me, if they wanted a PC game why don't they make one instead. Games like Resistance, MAG and Killzone plays fine without M/K, given it did take some getting used to when I first tried an FPS on a console. If CCP is worried about there not being enough players for the game when its released, than why did they decided to make it for PS3 ? On another note, Dust is nowhere near as responsive and fluent as Resistance or Killzone, and that might be where alot of the grief is coming from. I'm not saying that the game mechanics should be as those two games, because they have faster game play then Dust, but come on CCP, playing Dust just seams like one is disjointed from the DS3 in some weird way. I would love for Dust to feel the same as Killzone 2, but with the massive maps and gameplay we have now.. I will wait for the next patch to judge Dust, since there was a huge difference from last patch to the current when it came to controlling your merc. But if CCP does not managed to squash the control issues soon, the game wont last since ppl will rage-quit out of frustration that they cant hit anything..
MUDMASTEI2 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2012.08.03 09:03:00 - [50] - Quote Raynor Ragna wrote: xeto rak wrote: You can always try KB/M and see if it's better than the standard controller. Nothing is broken, it's a matter of choice. +1 for this. Theres no reason why KBM support shouldn't be on these types of games already. Why would developers worry about Keyboard & Mouse support on the console? Their games aren't like DUST, meaning full of PC gamers who can't handle something a little harder than a mouse. I thought EVE players were hardcore.

JaZZa01 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 81	Posted - 2012.08.03 10:24:00 - [51] - Quote MUDMASTEI2 wrote: Raynor Ragna wrote: xeto rak wrote: You can always try KB/M and see if it's better than the standard controller. Nothing is broken, it's a matter of choice. +1 for this. Theres no reason why KBM support shouldn't be on these types of games already. Why would developers worry about Keyboard & Mouse support on the console? Their games aren't like DUST, meaning full of PC gamers who can't handle something a little harder than a mouse. I thought EVE players were hardcore. Circumstantially hardcore. **** yeah.
Tengu Proteus Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.08.06 19:31:00 - [52] - Quote MUDMASTEI2 wrote: Raynor Ragna wrote: xeto rak wrote: You can always try KB/M and see if it's better than the standard controller. Nothing is broken, it's a matter of choice. +1 for this. Theres no reason why KBM support shouldn't be on these types of games already. Why would developers worry about Keyboard & Mouse support on the console? Their games aren't like DUST, meaning full of PC gamers who can't handle something a little harder than a mouse. I thought EVE players were hardcore. using an unwieldy piece of garbage controller =! hardcore I'm sorry, but the playstation controller is a tiny little stick, I can barely use it with my GARGANTUAN MAN HANDS and need something a bit more refined.
Grimm Tripp Bragian Order Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2012.08.06 19:34:00 - [53] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: jus nukem wrote: Cuz if it is... then alot of DS3 ONLY players are going to be turned off by the game. M&KB v DS3= Bringing a knife (ds3) to a gunfight (m&kb) ending in rage quitting for ds3 players ALL DAY! Ultimately resulting in the demise of DUST 514 on the ps3! Hopefully that doesn't happen. What do you guys think about it? I think that as an Eve Online player - you're coming into my world at the expense of most of my companions not being able to partake in their fate. As such, being as I'm not as skilled with a DS3, while a mouse and keyboard may be more advantageous it's something that I'm used to. When this game was announced to be console only a lot of Eve players were discouraged - I went out and bought a PS3 specifically for this opportunity. Having a keyboard and mouse as my combat format just seems to lighten the blow a little bit. +1 I also bought a ps3 solely for dust514. Coming from 5 years of EvE it seems proper that they are putting in mouse and keyboard support.
Quiverous Dark Harlequin 37	Posted - 2012.08.08 21:02:00 - [54] - Quote I have both, will try kbm on implementation. this is gonna be a car crash.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.08 21:12:00 - [55] - Quote Quiverous wrote: I have both, will try kbm on implementation. this is gonna be a car crash. This game is going to rock.
Ad ski IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 209	Posted - 2012.08.08 21:16:00 - [56] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: In all reality though, adding KBM in no way gimps the game, or gives an unfair advantage. Just because you personally *Do Not Choose* to use KBM, does not make it unfair. It just makes you weaker for not using the tools available to you. \ And really, if you don't have a keyboard and mouse in your house, or don't have a friend that would swap you a keyboard and mouse for a little green slip of paper with a 5 written on it... then you must live in africa. Why should we have to use that? We play on console for a reason. If I wanted to use a M+KB for gaming I'd go and play PC. I don't have a KB+M but I do have 4 laptops and my friends all have laptops. Guess we must live in a 3rd world country eh? As a matter of fact I'm sending this message only using washed up bottles, broken tv's all connected by materials from old flip flops.
Chao Wolf Imperfects Negative-Feedback 209	Posted - 2012.08.08 21:33:00 - [57] - Quote The QQing from kb/m users will be sweet. Remember folks the greatest advantage kb/m has over ds3 is turn speed and dust limits this already. So lets get ready folks the next build will most likely be one hell of a ride.
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.08.08 21:50:00 - [58] - Quote I play both, and switch from both everyday when dust ain't on. Only thing I see problem with KB&M is that if it does become the superior hardware, well, a living room and in general the counsel, isn't meant to be played with a table in front of you. Just doesn't make sense and isn't comfortable, PC games are already on a desk or even a laptop is meant to be put on a table. So I would hate to have to adjust my playing style of comfort to one of less comfort to be competitive. That being said this topic has SO many threads PLEASE use the search option and keep these forums a lil clean.
Azura dark 31	Posted - 2012.08.08 22:06:00 - [59] - Quote Tariq Tamir wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: This isn't ever going to end, is it? Almost certainly not! Wait until they fully open the game to ps3 community, ccp will have a nightmare on there hands with angry players demanding removal of kb/m.... They really should wait for an expansion to add kb/m and ask the ps3 community if they want it when they are all here. I have 5 friends in beta, all console players, all 5 don't want it on our console.
Darkz azurr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2012.08.08 22:17:00 - [60] - Quote Chao Wolf wrote: The QQing from kb/m users will be sweet. Remember folks the greatest advantage kb/m has over ds3 is turn speed and dust limits this already. So lets get ready folks the next build will most likely be one hell of a ride. Turn speed isn't the problem , it's how easy it is to use a mouse, Too easy to be accurate and finely adjust shots. If I felt it was an advantage in dust , I wouldn't play dust, even tho I am looking forward to it, I know a few beta guys feel the same way.



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