Ya they need to put limitations per team. 4 vehicles per 12 people man team. Intead of 10 for the whole map. But really they need to take out millitant vehicles for free first otherwise anyone with a decent vehicle will have trouble fielding them. because everyone calling in there millitant crap.

Might as well limit the number of Heavy Suits you can have on a map, because they're so good at sniping with those Forge Guns. Can't forget about those.

K. Let's do this. You can limit the tanks if you limit the number of assault rifles and suits. kk?

why cause you don't have enough skill to match me?

No, because you don't have enough skill to match my tank.

forge guns just need nerfed tbh, maybe antivehicle FOR SURE anti-infantry.

tanks 1 hit kill splash damage you literally don't have to aim which = no skill. it's almost like using a rocket launcher in mw2 tbqh with a jug suit.

forge guns just need nerfed tbh, maybe antivehicle FOR SURE anti-infantry.

another one of these threads
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not sure if srs
forge guns were already nerfed........if u get hit DIRECTLY with something that can take out an armored tank u deserve to die, who the **** dies to forge guns as infantry?

Ahhhh. Mw2 junkie. Now I see why you don't like vehicles. Sorry this isn't another cod.

logic and realism is irrelevant in video games.

never said anything about realism
u have to land a direct hit with a forge gun to kill someone, so unless u are standing still u should not be dying to forge gun users tbqh

I'm from every videogame, just stating what it's like, I've played EVE as well and several other MMORPG's I see why you like them I get it but meta gameplay will make this game a failure, you need good gameplay in order to have a good game on console not just meta game like most MMORPGs

This game wouldn't be half as good if there weren't any vehicles. Not every game can be a run 'n gun game. Vehicles stay, that's for sure.

this game is just as bad as bf3 on console tbqh, my friends rec'd bf3 cuz it was awesome but on console there's like 9 vehicles for a 10 person team which makes the game SO boring.

So you're saying that console gamers can't handle the meta game? That doesn't seem like a very charitable assessment. Also, I really hope you aren't actually having problems with the militia tanks, because I can strip the shield off a Soma with my CreoDron. Those paper tanks are worthless, and damn easy to kill with pretty much anything.

play clan matches on bf and then tell me if its boring
stop playin lolpubs
pubs are boring in every game
and the ONLY map that has too many vehicles on BF3 is Operation Firestorm on console
if u dont like vehicles u are playing the wrong game plain and simple.
Told MAG players that DUST will be heavy on vehicles as well so if u not into it/cant deal with it then its the wrong game u are lookin into

did I say I want vehicles eliminated? no just the amount reduced.

Oh ok.

This game wouldn't be half as good if there limits on vehicles. Not every game can be a run 'n gun game. Vehicles stay as is.

I've had my ps3 since launch, yes I'm saying console players can't handle meta game. people like you or me that play on console might be able to, but the majority(CoD/BF3 players) will not care for meta game.

just wait, once a corp moves in (day1) and starts grouping. I'm talking entire matches where they don't get out of there vehicles except for 4 seconds to activate an objective with their unlimited ISK.

Arbitrary restrictions and rules designed to make things "Fair" and "Balanced" are stupid, gamey, kitchy, (pick your bad adjective) and have no place in a sandbox war game.

As has been said in this thread already, you might as well restrict everything to some kind of "balanced" level, like drop uplinks or nano hives or swarm launchers or heavy machine guns or scout suits or whatever.

If you want an arena balanced arcade shooter, go elsewhere.

We don't want your campy "balance" rule sets in our universe. They are dumb.

If a team wants to use the money to field a tank for everyone, then they should feel free. And if the enemy is worth a dam they will swap into AV setups and drink their tears while slaughtering tanks all day.

The only restriction to how many things you can put down should be how much you can afford to lose.

This is war, not kiddy holdyourhandhappyfuntimes shooter game time. Grow up and fight like an adult or go back to CoD.

I've played GB's/clan matches in every game, they're BORING if vehicles aren't removed, look at the damn majority of players? do they play clan matches? THAT'S WHAT MAKES A GAME A SUCCESS.

IF YOU WANT A SUCCESFUL GAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOOBS PLAYING IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

LISTEN TO ME.

IF YOU WANT A SUCCESFUL GAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOOBS PLAYING IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THIS IS CONSOLE

I KNOW CCP THOUGHT IT WAS CLEVER TO MAKE THIS EFFECT EVE AND MAKE IT ALMOST SUCCESSFUL JUST FROM THAT.

BUT LISTEN TO ME.

NOT.
EVERYONE.
FROM.
EVE.
WILL.
BUY.
A.
PS3.
FOR.
THIS.
GAME.


YOU NEED IT TO BE BALANCED IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE LIKE US TO PLAY! WE WILL GLADLY BE YOUR WORK HORSES FOR A VAST EMPIRE IF THE GAME IS GOOD META GAME MEANS NOTHING IF I CAN'T GET TO THE TOP WITH SKILL

Wrong. That's just cod games.

LISTEN TO ME.

IF YOU WANT A SUCCESFUL GAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOOBS PLAYING IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THIS IS CONSOLE

I KNOW CCP THOUGHT IT WAS CLEVER TO MAKE THIS EFFECT EVE AND MAKE IT ALMOST SUCCESSFUL JUST FROM THAT.

BUT LISTEN TO ME.

NOT.
EVERYONE.
FROM.
EVE.
WILL.
BUY.
A.
PS3.
FOR.
THIS.
GAME.


YOU NEED IT TO BE BALANCED IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE LIKE US TO PLAY! WE WILL GLADLY BE YOUR WORK HORSES FOR A VAST EMPIRE IF THE GAME IS GOOD META GAME MEANS NOTHING IF I CAN'T GET TO THE TOP WITH SKILL

you think the average elite player has a **** load of money to dish out? chances are there good at video games because they have time to dedicate because they don't have money to be doing **** IRL.

Yeah, but you can get to the top with skill. I mean, to even get an HAV, you have to be a mediocre player for ages, or be a damn good player and get one rapidly. But it'll still die to two heavies with Forge Guns. Also, the idea isn't for all the EVE players to buy PS3s, its for the noobs to be brought in, get a sense of the scale, and then work to improve their skill in whatever they want to do, to thereby train their skills higher and unlock better equipment. I don't think this game is going to be as much of a turnoff to all new players as you assume it's going to be.

you think the average elite player has a **** load of money to dish out? chances are there good at video games because they have time to dedicate because they don't have money to be doing **** IRL.

LISTEN TO ME.

IF YOU WANT A SUCCESFUL GAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOOBS PLAYING IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THIS IS CONSOLE

I KNOW CCP THOUGHT IT WAS CLEVER TO MAKE THIS EFFECT EVE AND MAKE IT ALMOST SUCCESSFUL JUST FROM THAT.

BUT LISTEN TO ME.

NOT.
EVERYONE.
FROM.
EVE.
WILL.
BUY.
A.
PS3.
FOR.
THIS.
GAME.


YOU NEED IT TO BE BALANCED IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE LIKE US TO PLAY! WE WILL GLADLY BE YOUR WORK HORSES FOR A VAST EMPIRE IF THE GAME IS GOOD META GAME MEANS NOTHING IF I CAN'T GET TO THE TOP WITH SKILL

1. STOP YELLING AT ME
2. "Balance" is not what you think it is. Like I said, if you want an ARENA style FPS, go elsewhere. Balance in an sandbox is called balance of opportunity. Not balance of outcome.
3. Meta game is something that you don't even know that you know nothing about. When you are actually leading a campaign of battles to conquer dozens of systems and have hundreds of other real people following your orders, then you can tell me that "SkILL IS KING!" cause it isn't, leadership and metagaming strategy is king, skill is what you tie your shoes with.

Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that.

Slightly off topic:

I like you, ALM1GHTY STATIUS.

I don't agree with you, but you aren't afraid to put your viewpoints out there, and you aren't afraid to defend them. We could honestly use more people like that in here to try and offset all the people that just whine. I had you marked as one of them, but you actually seem ok.

I think noobs are going to get pubsmashed while people like me are locked in high sec. and the game will die nearly instantly. just like MAG.

They can protect themselves. It's called forges and swarms.

Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that.

You are forgetting something important.

Even if FPS players hate it and quit, this game is tied to Eve. Eve players will use it at least a little bit as long as it affects their bottom line. And Eve players make CCP enough money to be able to grow DUST slowly for a LONG time.

This is not a flash in the pan FPS game like CoD black ops or something. CCP have staying power and they won't let it die even is spoiled FPS gamers don't like it.

For Christs sake the game is free to download and free to play. I think they are gonna be fine.

Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that.

I also don't understand why you would define following orders as not being fun. My best games in BF2142 always came with the assistance of a capable Commander. I mean, do you really want to be playing a match with a few hundred people with some arbitrary vehicle count that has most of the group running around on foot to get from place to place? The idea is that vehicles are how you get yourself to facilities and fight for ground along the way, while you're on foot inside, kind of like how they've shown Planetside 2 to operate.

there gonna be so rich they won't spend money on the game because of their unlimited ISK banks because we = no risk compared to what you can make in EVE in about 14 seconds. they won't buy anything, CCP eventually shuts servers down and put's them towards EVE so you lag less.

there gonna be so rich they won't spend money on the game because of their unlimited ISK banks because we = no risk compared to what you can make in EVE in about 14 seconds. they won't buy anything, CCP eventually shuts servers down and put's them towards EVE so you lag less.

there gonna be so rich they won't spend money on the game because of their unlimited ISK banks because we = no risk compared to what you can make in EVE in about 14 seconds. they won't buy anything, CCP eventually shuts servers down and put's them towards EVE so you lag less.

You're forgetting something. Planet based colonies, which YOU will be fighting over, produce Starbase fuel. Starbases are both the only means of harvesting moon minerals, which are essential for Tech II production, and holding labs and construction facilities for building their ships and components, AND are the only means to produce Supercarriers and Titans, the largest, most expensive, and most powerful assets in the game

We can't AFFORD to ignore you.

Do people really think that CCP won't implement a tax or some such similar transfer penalty to keep a player from financing a Dust bunny for life with a day of EVE work?

Too much Crystal Ball usage here with too many assumptions.

A couple of problems with your argument.

False dilemma saying that good players are the ones that play halo/CoD/BF etc. Not a perfect comparison or always true in either sense.

Saying good players don't care about meta, again, speak for yourself cause its not always true.

Fun, thats true.

Saying following orders is not fun is not always true. Have you ever worked as a team under an inspirational leader and accomplished something as a team that you couldn't accomplish alone? It was fun right?

Stats and numbers don't conquer all, but skill with understanding the stats and numbers can. Just the way it works in real life.

Balance doesn't mean you are always safe from being steamrolled. Balance means that you have a fair chance to steamroll back.

Skill is the only thing that matters in stupid gamey arcade shooters.

in real life combat (which I have been in) its about skill, intelligence, strategy, intuition, teamwork, blind stupid luck, and a little bit of street smarts.

Your arguments are infantile, vague, full of logical loopholes, and unconvincing.

Do people really think that CCP won't implement a tax or some such similar transfer penalty to keep a player from financing a Dust bunny for life with a day of EVE work?

Too much Crystal Ball usage here with too many assumptions.

CCP has professional economists working for them, the market and economy is not something they take lightly. I'm willing to bet that they will still remain vigilante, mindful, and careful with any new changes.

I'm speaking for the majority, and trust me this is what they want. the good FPSers dont care about meta! we just wanna smash the other good players! but we want them to have the same chance we do. I've played countless clan battles in MAG(I figure this is the best example because of a size of 32 v 32) and won many, lead many, and been surprised by victories. in a game that took SKILL to win. real life is irrelevant in video games stats really don't matter because you can be better now, or you could be a huge *** that sits in the red lined turret the entire game and gets a 129 KDR . you can be steamrolled in any blanaced game if the other team is more SKILLFUL than you. why play a game if the only reason I win is because I have better equipment than the other player? again, real life is irrelevant.

You're forgetting something. Planet based colonies, which YOU will be fighting over, produce Starbase fuel. Starbases are both the only means of harvesting moon minerals, which are essential for Tech II production, and holding labs and construction facilities for building their ships and components, AND are the only means to produce Supercarriers and Titans, the largest, most expensive, and most powerful assets in the game

We can't AFFORD to ignore you.

An Example Of How Careful CCP Is About Watching The Economy And Balance Of New Influences.

Nobody is going to force you to play the meta hence why things like Drone Hunting or The Arena will exist.

I'm speaking for the majority, and trust me this is what they want. the good FPSers dont care about meta! we just wanna smash the other good players! but we want them to have the same chance we do. I've played countless clan battles in MAG(I figure this is the best example because of a size of 32 v 32) and won many, lead many, and been surprised by victories. in a game that took SKILL to win. real life is irrelevant in video games stats really don't matter because you can be better now, or you could be a huge *** that sits in the red lined turret the entire game and gets a 129 KDR . you can be steamrolled in any blanaced game if the other team is more SKILLFUL than you. why play a game if the only reason I win is because I have better equipment than the other player? again, real life is irrelevant.

WE

IT DOESN'T MATTER! WE DON'T CARE ABOUT META! you don't have to pay us much to keep us running anyways!!!!

edit: this is what you were talking about right? about the nature of EVE? I was busy

real life is irrelevant.

In all honesty, this tells me everything I need to know about you and the validity of your opinions.

QFT

Almighty I do not know why you **** and moan like a little school girl so much.

I do not cry OP about your fully proto gear assault suit set up. Oh no ALMIGHTY spent 10m points to get his ubber assault set up he is OP because I shot him in the back with my advanced rifle with no skills behind it and he turned around and killed me.

It is the same thing someone who spends 10m into the sagaris/surya gets the kills easier. Just like you with your proto suit getting easy kills.

Oh no a tank killed me 2 times I actually have to DIE so something has to be OP in this game.

But yes 3-4 vehicles are a must otherwise you destroy the vehicle gameplay in this game. if a full team wants to go set in 4 sagaris I will happly pop all 4 mine and get 12 quick kills. before you say it is impossible 3 tanks came rolling down on attacking. 2 sagaris 1 surya. I pop out on onside they all come after me I come rolling up from behind all of a sudden 1, 2 , 3. :) 8 kills in the first Min. :)

I want a balanced game, I do not like levels, or rewards for an in-game buff of anykind, everyone should have a battle rifle and that should be it, no grenades, no running, hacking should be an instant process. BALANCED.

So a very boring game?

If everyone is that balanced and using the exact same weapon, not sure anyone will stay tbh.

the only reason I have been outnumbered here is simple. there are not that many FPSers that know/give a f*ck about this game to be here with me. I am trying to change this game for the success of CCP.

it will be competitive! however that will never happen because everyone too noob to make one tbqh. so if I must I will fight until this game is balanced where anyone can kill anyone with more skill than them.

OP's last post for tonight ^^

oh proto gear is OP as **** but if I don't use it some little nub like you will 1 hit splash damage me with a forge gun.

I want a balanced game, I do not like levels, or rewards for an in-game buff of anykind, everyone should have a battle rifle and that should be it, no grenades, no running, hacking should be an instant process. BALANCED.

Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that.

As an AV/AR hybrid player (I have an AR loadout, a forge gun loadout and a SL/nanohive loadout), I'd be very happy just sitting somewhere where no one can see me, blowing up dropships, HAVs and LAVs all day. My only weakness? Those damn infantry...!!

1 tank per... 12 people I guess for now... but it'd have to be adjusted for when they add bigger game types ofc. 1-12 sounds pretty good actually...

Dewie, I have to say, a couple of games ago, I think you were in a Surya..? I was the one who kept trying to blow you up with a swarm launcher. And dying to you.

Well played, sir. A smart tank driver won't die, where a stupid one will :)

High sec prob have limits

Low and null drop 50 tanks on your foot so adapt or die

Vehicle ratios actually have to be addressed because when in matches there's absolutely no reason as to why 3 out of the 11 players in the match are actually on the ground playing the game while everybody else is off jerking each other.

Once again, there is no need to have arbitrary limits on the numbers of tanks.

Tanks are vulnerable to infantry when they have no infantry support of their own. The turrets can't track fast enough or all the way around well enough to stop infantry from killing you if they get in close.

IF a whole team is running around in tanks, go get an AV setup and **** them cause they dont have support. Or when EWAR is implemented and tracking is disrupted, tanks are slowed, sensors are off etc, tanks will be sitting ducks without support. Thats how you limit the number of tanks. Not with an arbitrary rule that says "Max number of tanks per match is X" but with gameplay mechanics that make it very very risky to use all tanks.

Now please for the love of all that is Holy, STOP asking for arbitrary rules.

Wrong. In nearly every way.

Tons of tanks on the field means you should go get some AV fits and drink their tears.

An arbitrary limit, by definition, LIMITS strategies by forcing players to have a certain KIND of gameplay experience.

If you think that having 12 tanks on your 12 person team is viable, then the answer is NOT to limit the number of tanks, but buff AV or nerf armor or some other method to limit the effectiveness of the tanks in large numbers against infantry.

Please stop saying the same thing over and over again. 'If there are 50 tanks on the field go get AV.' Yeah we get it. No amount of AV will stop 50 tanks shooting you in the spawn. Point is moot.

I hate to break it to you guys but there already is a cap and it will be there come release time. Ccp knows what they are doing.

YOU NEED IT TO BE BALANCED IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE LIKE US TO PLAY! WE WILL GLADLY BE YOUR WORK HORSES FOR A VAST EMPIRE IF THE GAME IS GOOD META GAME MEANS NOTHING IF I CAN'T GET TO THE TOP WITH SKILL

Yea but dont expect in in low/null clan matches

Please stop saying the same thing over and over again. 'If there are 50 tanks on the field go get AV.' Yeah we get it. No amount of AV will stop 50 tanks shooting you in the spawn. Point is moot.

No, but any amount of Drop Uplinks will break a spawn camp. Maybe you should try using them?

I do use drop uplinks. o_0 That won't change the fact that there are still 5 tanks running around the map while my dumb team runs around like sheep to the slaughter. Its a clear imbalance that will drive some of the player base away come release time.

Kthxbia

The imbalance is that stupid people are stupid. Smart people being OP is not nerf-worthy.

Sorry.

Here is my GRAND IDEA that I bestow upon you...

High sec = vehicle cap. Since it will be Factional Warfare, maybe the message could be "higher command denied your request for the HAV/Dropship/LAV." So it isn't arbitrary.

Null and low sec? Drop as many tanks as you want bro!


Tbh, my new motto is that "Grouping needs to be added". Maybe going against a tank solo with a team full of idiots who aren't doing anything to help is not fun.

Try that when I got my corp and alliance backing me up.... if 50 tanks drop in, we are gonna switch to 50 swarm launchers/ forge guns.

NO LIMITS IN NULL SEC.
EXPLAINED LIMITS IN HIGH SEC AND eSPORTS!.

There we go... problem fixed. Shake and bake, Just add teamwork!

tanks 1 hit kill splash damage you literally don't have to aim which = no skill. it's almost like using a rocket launcher in mw2 tbqh with a jug suit.

YOU NEED IT TO BE BALANCED IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE LIKE US TO PLAY! WE WILL GLADLY BE YOUR WORK HORSES FOR A VAST EMPIRE IF THE GAME IS GOOD META GAME MEANS NOTHING IF I CAN'T GET TO THE TOP WITH SKILL

Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that.

You keep mentioning "skills". What skills?
The skills for DUST are not the same as those for CoD, BF or MAG.

DUST don't give a **** about mediocre, run of the mill, strafing gun tooting FPS games out there already.
And I'm certain you are selling the other players short when you say they won't like it. Maybe, just MAYBE they are going to love DUST, BECAUSE it is different, BECAUSE it requires skills, real skills (with the brain), instead of just a autofire assisted trigger finger.

Rejoice. It's my understanding vehicle-free ambush is in the pipes.

There are a lot of ideas floating around. The devs have also hinted that there might be skill limited/tiered maps, so veterans can't gain easy SP in wholesale slaughter of new players. THAT would kill DUST, as the new players would never be able to gain traction, and nothing kill the joy of playing like being mowed down like cannon fodder to the tune of a 0/50 KDR for several rounds (exaggerating here, but the notion stands)

EVE universe:

Risk vs. Reward
"If you cant afford losing it, don't use it"


learn it, live it, love it

I do use drop uplinks. o_0 That won't change the fact that there are still 5 tanks running around the map while my dumb team runs around like sheep to the slaughter. Its a clear imbalance that will drive some of the player base away come release time.

Kthxbia

Here is my GRAND IDEA that I bestow upon you...

High sec = vehicle cap. Since it will be Factional Warfare, maybe the message could be "higher command denied your request for the HAV/Dropship/LAV." So it isn't arbitrary.

Null and low sec? Drop as many tanks as you want bro!


Tbh, my new motto is that "Grouping needs to be added". Maybe going against a tank solo with a team full of idiots who aren't doing anything to help is not fun.

Try that when I got my corp and alliance backing me up.... if 50 tanks drop in, we are gonna switch to 50 swarm launchers/ forge guns.

NO LIMITS IN NULL SEC.
EXPLAINED LIMITS IN HIGH SEC AND eSPORTS!.

There we go... problem fixed. Shake and bake, Just add teamwork!