DUST Search - vehicle limitations?

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:

Traynor Youngs wrote:

ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:

I think noobs are going to get pubsmashed while people like me are locked in high sec. and the game will die nearly instantly. just like MAG.

You are forgetting something important.

Even if FPS players hate it and quit, this game is tied to Eve. Eve players will use it at least a little bit as long as it affects their bottom line. And Eve players make CCP enough money to be able to grow DUST slowly for a LONG time.

This is not a flash in the pan FPS game like CoD black ops or something. CCP have staying power and they won't let it die even is spoiled FPS gamers don't like it.

For Christs sake the game is free to download and free to play. I think they are gonna be fine.

there gonna be so rich they won't spend money on the game because of their unlimited ISK banks because we = no risk compared to what you can make in EVE in about 14 seconds. they won't buy anything, CCP eventually shuts servers down and put's them towards EVE so you lag less.

You're forgetting something. Planet based colonies, which YOU will be fighting over, produce Starbase fuel. Starbases are both the only means of harvesting moon minerals, which are essential for Tech II production, and holding labs and construction facilities for building their ships and components, AND are the only means to produce Supercarriers and Titans, the largest, most expensive, and most powerful assets in the game

We can't AFFORD to ignore you.


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Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 03:19:00 - [1] - Quote Arbitrary restrictions and rules designed to make things "Fair" and "Balanced" are stupid, gamey, kitchy, (pick your bad adjective) and have no place in a sandbox war game. As has been said in this thread already, you might as well restrict everything to some kind of "balanced" level, like drop uplinks or nano hives or swarm launchers or heavy machine guns or scout suits or whatever. If you want an arena balanced arcade shooter, go elsewhere. We don't want your campy "balance" rule sets in our universe. They are dumb. If a team wants to use the money to field a tank for everyone, then they should feel free. And if the enemy is worth a dam they will swap into AV setups and drink their tears while slaughtering tanks all day. The only restriction to how many things you can put down should be how much you can afford to lose. This is war, not kiddy holdyourhandhappyfuntimes shooter game time. Grow up and fight like an adult or go back to CoD.
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 03:28:00 - [2] - Quote ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: LISTEN TO ME. IF YOU WANT A SUCCESFUL GAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOOBS PLAYING IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THIS IS CONSOLE I KNOW CCP THOUGHT IT WAS CLEVER TO MAKE THIS EFFECT EVE AND MAKE IT ALMOST SUCCESSFUL JUST FROM THAT. BUT LISTEN TO ME. NOT. EVERYONE. FROM. EVE. WILL. BUY. A. PS3. FOR. THIS. GAME. YOU NEED IT TO BE BALANCED IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE LIKE US TO PLAY! WE WILL GLADLY BE YOUR WORK HORSES FOR A VAST EMPIRE IF THE GAME IS GOOD META GAME MEANS NOTHING IF I CAN'T GET TO THE TOP WITH SKILL 1. STOP YELLING AT ME 2. "Balance" is not what you think it is. Like I said, if you want an ARENA style FPS, go elsewhere. Balance in an sandbox is called balance of opportunity. Not balance of outcome. 3. Meta game is something that you don't even know that you know nothing about. When you are actually leading a campaign of battles to conquer dozens of systems and have hundreds of other real people following your orders, then you can tell me that "SkILL IS KING!" cause it isn't, leadership and metagaming strategy is king, skill is what you tie your shoes with.
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 03:29:00 - [3] - Quote ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: Quote: IF YOU WANT A SUCCESFUL GAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOOBS PLAYING IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Wrong. That's just cod games. you think the average elite player has a ** load of money to dish out? chances are there good at video games because they have time to dedicate because they don't have money to be doing ** IRL. I am good at games I make plenty of money I am an Aerospace Engineer with a masters degree IRL and in game skills are not mutually exclusive.
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 03:36:00 - [4] - Quote ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: I think noobs are going to get pubsmashed while people like me are locked in high sec. and the game will die nearly instantly. just like MAG. You are forgetting something important. Even if FPS players hate it and quit, this game is tied to Eve. Eve players will use it at least a little bit as long as it affects their bottom line. And Eve players make CCP enough money to be able to grow DUST slowly for a LONG time. This is not a flash in the pan FPS game like CoD black ops or something. CCP have staying power and they won't let it die even is spoiled FPS gamers don't like it. For Christs sake the game is free to download and free to play. I think they are gonna be fine.
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 03:41:00 - [5] - Quote ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that. A couple of problems with your argument. False dilemma saying that good players are the ones that play halo/CoD/BF etc. Not a perfect comparison or always true in either sense. Saying good players don't care about meta, again, speak for yourself cause its not always true. Fun, thats true. Saying following orders is not fun is not always true. Have you ever worked as a team under an inspirational leader and accomplished something as a team that you couldn't accomplish alone? It was fun right? Stats and numbers don't conquer all, but skill with understanding the stats and numbers can. Just the way it works in real life. Balance doesn't mean you are always safe from being steamrolled. Balance means that you have a fair chance to steamroll back. Skill is the only thing that matters in stupid gamey arcade shooters. in real life combat (which I have been in) its about skill, intelligence, strategy, intuition, teamwork, blind stupid luck, and a little bit of street smarts. Your arguments are infantile, vague, full of logical loopholes, and unconvincing.
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 03:42:00 - [6] - Quote ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: Traynor Youngs wrote: ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: I think noobs are going to get pubsmashed while people like me are locked in high sec. and the game will die nearly instantly. just like MAG. You are forgetting something important. Even if FPS players hate it and quit, this game is tied to Eve. Eve players will use it at least a little bit as long as it affects their bottom line. And Eve players make CCP enough money to be able to grow DUST slowly for a LONG time. This is not a flash in the pan FPS game like CoD black ops or something. CCP have staying power and they won't let it die even is spoiled FPS gamers don't like it. For Christs sake the game is free to download and free to play. I think they are gonna be fine. there gonna be so rich they won't spend money on the game because of their unlimited ISK banks because we = no risk compared to what you can make in EVE in about 14 seconds. they won't buy anything, CCP eventually shuts servers down and put's them towards EVE so you lag less. Current market prices do not reflect what they will be when the game launchers. I expect to see HAVs costing around 10 million each at launch.
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 03:45:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: Traynor Youngs wrote: ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: I think noobs are going to get pubsmashed while people like me are locked in high sec. and the game will die nearly instantly. just like MAG. You are forgetting something important. Even if FPS players hate it and quit, this game is tied to Eve. Eve players will use it at least a little bit as long as it affects their bottom line. And Eve players make CCP enough money to be able to grow DUST slowly for a LONG time. This is not a flash in the pan FPS game like CoD black ops or something. CCP have staying power and they won't let it die even is spoiled FPS gamers don't like it. For Christs sake the game is free to download and free to play. I think they are gonna be fine. there gonna be so rich they won't spend money on the game because of their unlimited ISK banks because we = no risk compared to what you can make in EVE in about 14 seconds. they won't buy anything, CCP eventually shuts servers down and put's them towards EVE so you lag less. You're forgetting something. Planet based colonies, which YOU will be fighting over, produce Starbase fuel. Starbases are both the only means of harvesting moon minerals, which are essential for Tech II production, and holding labs and construction facilities for building their ships and components, AND are the only means to produce Supercarriers and Titans, the largest, most expensive, and most powerful assets in the game We can't AFFORD to ignore you. Thank God someone else gets it. Big alliances feign indifference, but the truth is they are all planning DUST corps, some have even named them and have them in the beta to learn to play it. Eve won't stop caring about DUST anytime soon. Even if the Eve players have to pay for all the AUR you can stomach to keep you fighting for their ISK ATM's
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 03:46:00 - [8] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Do people really think that CCP won't implement a tax or some such similar transfer penalty to keep a player from financing a Dust bunny for life with a day of EVE work? Too much Crystal Ball usage here with too many assumptions. Will be open flow of ISK between games. Confirmed by CCP at Fanfest. "The ISK will flow" THink it was in the "Seeding the universe" Q&A section from fanfest. Also, market prices now and contract reward amounts should not be taken as reflective of how it will be in the live game. THings will be MUCH more expensive when the game goes live. Such that you should be able to finance a bad eve player by playing dust well or vice versa.
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 03:55:00 - [9] - Quote ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: I'm speaking for the majority, and trust me this is what they want. the good FPSers dont care about meta! we just wanna smash the other good players! but we want them to have the same chance we do. I've played countless clan battles in MAG(I figure this is the best example because of a size of 32 v 32) and won many, lead many, and been surprised by victories. in a game that took SKILL to win. real life is irrelevant in video games stats really don't matter because you can be better now, or you could be a huge *** that sits in the red lined turret the entire game and gets a 129 KDR . you can be steamrolled in any blanaced game if the other team is more SKILLFUL than you. why play a game if the only reason I win is because I have better equipment than the other player? again, real life is irrelevant. You speak for the majority? Was there a vote I missed? DId you get elected? Was there a plebiscite? You speak for yourself or not at all.
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 03:57:00 - [10] - Quote ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: IT DOESN'T MATTER! WE DON'T CARE ABOUT META! you don't have to pay us much to keep us running anyways!!!! edit: this is what you were talking about right? about the nature of EVE? I was busy Why do you keep having to yell? I get it, you don't like META gaming. I am saying that the very nature of DUST is that it is an FPS that has an intrinsic META game as part of what it adds to the genre. You seem to want to deny that meta is important to DUST when what you mean is that meta is unimportant to YOU. Or is your hubris such that you claim you are dust?

Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 03:58:00 - [11] - Quote ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: real life is irrelevant. In all honesty, this tells me everything I need to know about you and the validity of your opinions.
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 17:40:00 - [12] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Vehicle ratios actually have to be addressed because when in matches there's absolutely no reason as to why 3 out of the 11 players in the match are actually on the ground playing the game while everybody else is off jerking each other. Once again, there is no need to have arbitrary limits on the numbers of tanks. Tanks are vulnerable to infantry when they have no infantry support of their own. The turrets can't track fast enough or all the way around well enough to stop infantry from killing you if they get in close. IF a whole team is running around in tanks, go get an AV setup and **** them cause they dont have support. Or when EWAR is implemented and tracking is disrupted, tanks are slowed, sensors are off etc, tanks will be sitting ducks without support. Thats how you limit the number of tanks. Not with an arbitrary rule that says "Max number of tanks per match is X" but with gameplay mechanics that make it very very risky to use all tanks. Now please for the love of all that is Holy, STOP asking for arbitrary rules.
Traynor Youngs Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 287	Posted - 2012.07.27 18:06:00 - [13] - Quote Wrong. In nearly every way. Tons of tanks on the field means you should go get some AV fits and drink their tears. An arbitrary limit, by definition, LIMITS strategies by forcing players to have a certain KIND of gameplay experience. If you think that having 12 tanks on your 12 person team is viable, then the answer is NOT to limit the number of tanks, but buff AV or nerf armor or some other method to limit the effectiveness of the tanks in large numbers against infantry.