Oh ok.

This game wouldn't be half as good if there limits on vehicles. Not every game can be a run 'n gun game. Vehicles stay as is.

I've had my ps3 since launch, yes I'm saying console players can't handle meta game. people like you or me that play on console might be able to, but the majority(CoD/BF3 players) will not care for meta game.

just wait, once a corp moves in (day1) and starts grouping. I'm talking entire matches where they don't get out of there vehicles except for 4 seconds to activate an objective with their unlimited ISK.

Arbitrary restrictions and rules designed to make things "Fair" and "Balanced" are stupid, gamey, kitchy, (pick your bad adjective) and have no place in a sandbox war game.

As has been said in this thread already, you might as well restrict everything to some kind of "balanced" level, like drop uplinks or nano hives or swarm launchers or heavy machine guns or scout suits or whatever.

If you want an arena balanced arcade shooter, go elsewhere.

We don't want your campy "balance" rule sets in our universe. They are dumb.

If a team wants to use the money to field a tank for everyone, then they should feel free. And if the enemy is worth a dam they will swap into AV setups and drink their tears while slaughtering tanks all day.

The only restriction to how many things you can put down should be how much you can afford to lose.

This is war, not kiddy holdyourhandhappyfuntimes shooter game time. Grow up and fight like an adult or go back to CoD.

I've played GB's/clan matches in every game, they're BORING if vehicles aren't removed, look at the damn majority of players? do they play clan matches? THAT'S WHAT MAKES A GAME A SUCCESS.

IF YOU WANT A SUCCESFUL GAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOOBS PLAYING IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

LISTEN TO ME.

IF YOU WANT A SUCCESFUL GAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOOBS PLAYING IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THIS IS CONSOLE

I KNOW CCP THOUGHT IT WAS CLEVER TO MAKE THIS EFFECT EVE AND MAKE IT ALMOST SUCCESSFUL JUST FROM THAT.

BUT LISTEN TO ME.

NOT.
EVERYONE.
FROM.
EVE.
WILL.
BUY.
A.
PS3.
FOR.
THIS.
GAME.


YOU NEED IT TO BE BALANCED IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE LIKE US TO PLAY! WE WILL GLADLY BE YOUR WORK HORSES FOR A VAST EMPIRE IF THE GAME IS GOOD META GAME MEANS NOTHING IF I CAN'T GET TO THE TOP WITH SKILL

Wrong. That's just cod games.

LISTEN TO ME.

IF YOU WANT A SUCCESFUL GAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOOBS PLAYING IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THIS IS CONSOLE

I KNOW CCP THOUGHT IT WAS CLEVER TO MAKE THIS EFFECT EVE AND MAKE IT ALMOST SUCCESSFUL JUST FROM THAT.

BUT LISTEN TO ME.

NOT.
EVERYONE.
FROM.
EVE.
WILL.
BUY.
A.
PS3.
FOR.
THIS.
GAME.


YOU NEED IT TO BE BALANCED IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE LIKE US TO PLAY! WE WILL GLADLY BE YOUR WORK HORSES FOR A VAST EMPIRE IF THE GAME IS GOOD META GAME MEANS NOTHING IF I CAN'T GET TO THE TOP WITH SKILL

you think the average elite player has a **** load of money to dish out? chances are there good at video games because they have time to dedicate because they don't have money to be doing **** IRL.

Yeah, but you can get to the top with skill. I mean, to even get an HAV, you have to be a mediocre player for ages, or be a damn good player and get one rapidly. But it'll still die to two heavies with Forge Guns. Also, the idea isn't for all the EVE players to buy PS3s, its for the noobs to be brought in, get a sense of the scale, and then work to improve their skill in whatever they want to do, to thereby train their skills higher and unlock better equipment. I don't think this game is going to be as much of a turnoff to all new players as you assume it's going to be.

you think the average elite player has a **** load of money to dish out? chances are there good at video games because they have time to dedicate because they don't have money to be doing **** IRL.

LISTEN TO ME.

IF YOU WANT A SUCCESFUL GAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOOBS PLAYING IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THIS IS CONSOLE

I KNOW CCP THOUGHT IT WAS CLEVER TO MAKE THIS EFFECT EVE AND MAKE IT ALMOST SUCCESSFUL JUST FROM THAT.

BUT LISTEN TO ME.

NOT.
EVERYONE.
FROM.
EVE.
WILL.
BUY.
A.
PS3.
FOR.
THIS.
GAME.


YOU NEED IT TO BE BALANCED IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE LIKE US TO PLAY! WE WILL GLADLY BE YOUR WORK HORSES FOR A VAST EMPIRE IF THE GAME IS GOOD META GAME MEANS NOTHING IF I CAN'T GET TO THE TOP WITH SKILL

1. STOP YELLING AT ME
2. "Balance" is not what you think it is. Like I said, if you want an ARENA style FPS, go elsewhere. Balance in an sandbox is called balance of opportunity. Not balance of outcome.
3. Meta game is something that you don't even know that you know nothing about. When you are actually leading a campaign of battles to conquer dozens of systems and have hundreds of other real people following your orders, then you can tell me that "SkILL IS KING!" cause it isn't, leadership and metagaming strategy is king, skill is what you tie your shoes with.

Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that.

Slightly off topic:

I like you, ALM1GHTY STATIUS.

I don't agree with you, but you aren't afraid to put your viewpoints out there, and you aren't afraid to defend them. We could honestly use more people like that in here to try and offset all the people that just whine. I had you marked as one of them, but you actually seem ok.

I think noobs are going to get pubsmashed while people like me are locked in high sec. and the game will die nearly instantly. just like MAG.

They can protect themselves. It's called forges and swarms.

Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that.

You are forgetting something important.

Even if FPS players hate it and quit, this game is tied to Eve. Eve players will use it at least a little bit as long as it affects their bottom line. And Eve players make CCP enough money to be able to grow DUST slowly for a LONG time.

This is not a flash in the pan FPS game like CoD black ops or something. CCP have staying power and they won't let it die even is spoiled FPS gamers don't like it.

For Christs sake the game is free to download and free to play. I think they are gonna be fine.

Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that.

I also don't understand why you would define following orders as not being fun. My best games in BF2142 always came with the assistance of a capable Commander. I mean, do you really want to be playing a match with a few hundred people with some arbitrary vehicle count that has most of the group running around on foot to get from place to place? The idea is that vehicles are how you get yourself to facilities and fight for ground along the way, while you're on foot inside, kind of like how they've shown Planetside 2 to operate.

there gonna be so rich they won't spend money on the game because of their unlimited ISK banks because we = no risk compared to what you can make in EVE in about 14 seconds. they won't buy anything, CCP eventually shuts servers down and put's them towards EVE so you lag less.

there gonna be so rich they won't spend money on the game because of their unlimited ISK banks because we = no risk compared to what you can make in EVE in about 14 seconds. they won't buy anything, CCP eventually shuts servers down and put's them towards EVE so you lag less.

there gonna be so rich they won't spend money on the game because of their unlimited ISK banks because we = no risk compared to what you can make in EVE in about 14 seconds. they won't buy anything, CCP eventually shuts servers down and put's them towards EVE so you lag less.

You're forgetting something. Planet based colonies, which YOU will be fighting over, produce Starbase fuel. Starbases are both the only means of harvesting moon minerals, which are essential for Tech II production, and holding labs and construction facilities for building their ships and components, AND are the only means to produce Supercarriers and Titans, the largest, most expensive, and most powerful assets in the game

We can't AFFORD to ignore you.

Do people really think that CCP won't implement a tax or some such similar transfer penalty to keep a player from financing a Dust bunny for life with a day of EVE work?

Too much Crystal Ball usage here with too many assumptions.