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ALM1GHTY STATIUS
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:47:00 -
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Traynor Youngs wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:
Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that.
A couple of problems with your argument. False dilemma saying that good players are the ones that play halo/CoD/BF etc. Not a perfect comparison or always true in either sense. Saying good players don't care about meta, again, speak for yourself cause its not always true. Fun, thats true. Saying following orders is not fun is not always true. Have you ever worked as a team under an inspirational leader and accomplished something as a team that you couldn't accomplish alone? It was fun right? Stats and numbers don't conquer all, but skill with understanding the stats and numbers can. Just the way it works in real life. Balance doesn't mean you are always safe from being steamrolled. Balance means that you have a fair chance to steamroll back. Skill is the only thing that matters in stupid gamey arcade shooters. in real life combat (which I have been in) its about skill, intelligence, strategy, intuition, teamwork, blind stupid luck, and a little bit of street smarts. Your arguments are infantile, vague, full of logical loopholes, and unconvincing.
I'm speaking for the majority, and trust me this is what they want. the good FPSers dont care about meta! we just wanna smash the other good players! but we want them to have the same chance we do. I've played countless clan battles in MAG(I figure this is the best example because of a size of 32 v 32) and won many, lead many, and been surprised by victories. in a game that took SKILL to win. real life is irrelevant in video games stats really don't matter because you can be better now, or you could be a huge *** that sits in the red lined turret the entire game and gets a 129 KDR . you can be steamrolled in any blanaced game if the other team is more SKILLFUL than you. why play a game if the only reason I win is because I have better equipment than the other player? again, real life is irrelevant. |
Antilles Maximus
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
80
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:48:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Do people really think that CCP won't implement a tax or some such similar transfer penalty to keep a player from financing a Dust bunny for life with a day of EVE work?
Too much Crystal Ball usage here with too many assumptions.
CCP has professional economists working for them, the market and economy is not something they take lightly. I'm willing to bet that they will still remain vigilante, mindful, and careful with any new changes.
+1: Like CCP hasn't done this before.... |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:48:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Traynor Youngs wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:
Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that.
A couple of problems with your argument. False dilemma saying that good players are the ones that play halo/CoD/BF etc. Not a perfect comparison or always true in either sense. Saying good players don't care about meta, again, speak for yourself cause its not always true. Fun, thats true. Saying following orders is not fun is not always true. Have you ever worked as a team under an inspirational leader and accomplished something as a team that you couldn't accomplish alone? It was fun right? Stats and numbers don't conquer all, but skill with understanding the stats and numbers can. Just the way it works in real life. Balance doesn't mean you are always safe from being steamrolled. Balance means that you have a fair chance to steamroll back. Skill is the only thing that matters in stupid gamey arcade shooters. in real life combat (which I have been in) its about skill, intelligence, strategy, intuition, teamwork, blind stupid luck, and a little bit of street smarts. Your arguments are infantile, vague, full of logical loopholes, and unconvincing. I'm speaking for the majority, and trust me this is what they want. the good FPSers dont care about meta! we just wanna smash the other good players! but we want them to have the same chance we do. I've played countless clan battles in MAG(I figure this is the best example because of a size of 32 v 32) and won many, lead many, and been surprised by victories. in a game that took SKILL to win. real life is irrelevant in video games stats really don't matter because you can be better now, or you could be a huge *** that sits in the red lined turret the entire game and gets a 129 KDR . you can be steamrolled in any blanaced game if the other team is more SKILLFUL than you. why play a game if the only reason I win is because I have better equipment than the other player? again, real life is irrelevant. I notice that you failed to comment on my statement as to the essential nature of Dust in EVE Online. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:50:00 -
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An Example Of How Careful CCP Is About Watching The Economy And Balance Of New Influences.
Nobody is going to force you to play the meta hence why things like Drone Hunting or The Arena will exist. |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:51:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Traynor Youngs wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:
I think noobs are going to get pubsmashed while people like me are locked in high sec. and the game will die nearly instantly. just like MAG.
You are forgetting something important. Even if FPS players hate it and quit, this game is tied to Eve. Eve players will use it at least a little bit as long as it affects their bottom line. And Eve players make CCP enough money to be able to grow DUST slowly for a LONG time. This is not a flash in the pan FPS game like CoD black ops or something. CCP have staying power and they won't let it die even is spoiled FPS gamers don't like it. For Christs sake the game is free to download and free to play. I think they are gonna be fine. there gonna be so rich they won't spend money on the game because of their unlimited ISK banks because we = no risk compared to what you can make in EVE in about 14 seconds. they won't buy anything, CCP eventually shuts servers down and put's them towards EVE so you lag less. You're forgetting something. Planet based colonies, which YOU will be fighting over, produce Starbase fuel. Starbases are both the only means of harvesting moon minerals, which are essential for Tech II production, and holding labs and construction facilities for building their ships and components, AND are the only means to produce Supercarriers and Titans, the largest, most expensive, and most powerful assets in the game We can't AFFORD to ignore you.
IT DOESN'T MATTER! WE DON'T CARE ABOUT META! you don't have to pay us much to keep us running anyways!!!!
edit: this is what you were talking about right? about the nature of EVE? I was busy |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:52:00 -
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Another excellent point. See, Planetside 2 is massive scale PvP only, whereas Dust will actually allow you to have those smaller balanced matches, or even do some co-op against NPCs if you want. |
Traynor Youngs
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
287
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:55:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:I'm speaking for the majority, and trust me this is what they want. the good FPSers dont care about meta! we just wanna smash the other good players! but we want them to have the same chance we do. I've played countless clan battles in MAG(I figure this is the best example because of a size of 32 v 32) and won many, lead many, and been surprised by victories. in a game that took SKILL to win. real life is irrelevant in video games stats really don't matter because you can be better now, or you could be a huge *** that sits in the red lined turret the entire game and gets a 129 KDR . you can be steamrolled in any blanaced game if the other team is more SKILLFUL than you. why play a game if the only reason I win is because I have better equipment than the other player? again, real life is irrelevant.
You speak for the majority?
Was there a vote I missed? DId you get elected? Was there a plebiscite?
You speak for yourself or not at all. |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:56:00 -
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Who's this "we" you are talking about? As of now, you are the only one defending this topic. |
Traynor Youngs
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
287
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:57:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: IT DOESN'T MATTER! WE DON'T CARE ABOUT META! you don't have to pay us much to keep us running anyways!!!!
edit: this is what you were talking about right? about the nature of EVE? I was busy
Why do you keep having to yell?
I get it, you don't like META gaming.
I am saying that the very nature of DUST is that it is an FPS that has an intrinsic META game as part of what it adds to the genre.
You seem to want to deny that meta is important to DUST when what you mean is that meta is unimportant to YOU. Or is your hubris such that you claim you are dust? |
Sin3 DeusNomine
Doomheim
142
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:58:00 -
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Almighty I do not know why you **** and moan like a little school girl so much.
I do not cry OP about your fully proto gear assault suit set up. Oh no ALMIGHTY spent 10m points to get his ubber assault set up he is OP because I shot him in the back with my advanced rifle with no skills behind it and he turned around and killed me.
It is the same thing someone who spends 10m into the sagaris/surya gets the kills easier. Just like you with your proto suit getting easy kills.
Oh no a tank killed me 2 times I actually have to DIE so something has to be OP in this game.
But yes 3-4 vehicles are a must otherwise you destroy the vehicle gameplay in this game. if a full team wants to go set in 4 sagaris I will happly pop all 4 mine and get 12 quick kills. before you say it is impossible 3 tanks came rolling down on attacking. 2 sagaris 1 surya. I pop out on onside they all come after me I come rolling up from behind all of a sudden 1, 2 , 3. :) 8 kills in the first Min. :)
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Traynor Youngs
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
287
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:58:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: real life is irrelevant.
In all honesty, this tells me everything I need to know about you and the validity of your opinions.
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.07.27 04:00:00 -
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Also, we only have 12 man teams right now. Using 4 tanks is a great way to lose the match, because most of those turret gunners never get out to hack. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
278
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Posted - 2012.07.27 04:01:00 -
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Traynor Youngs wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: real life is irrelevant. In all honesty, this tells me everything I need to know about you and the validity of your opinions. QFT |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
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Posted - 2012.07.27 04:28:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Traynor Youngs wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: real life is irrelevant. In all honesty, this tells me everything I need to know about you and the validity of your opinions. QFT
I'm talking about in video games you idiots -.- |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
138
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Posted - 2012.07.27 04:29:00 -
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the only reason I have been outnumbered here is simple. there are not that many FPSers that know/give a f*ck about this game to be here with me. I am trying to change this game for the success of CCP. |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
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Posted - 2012.07.27 04:31:00 -
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Sin3 DeusNomine wrote:Almighty I do not know why you **** and moan like a little school girl so much.
I do not cry OP about your fully proto gear assault suit set up. Oh no ALMIGHTY spent 10m points to get his ubber assault set up he is OP because I shot him in the back with my advanced rifle with no skills behind it and he turned around and killed me.
It is the same thing someone who spends 10m into the sagaris/surya gets the kills easier. Just like you with your proto suit getting easy kills.
Oh no a tank killed me 2 times I actually have to DIE so something has to be OP in this game.
But yes 3-4 vehicles are a must otherwise you destroy the vehicle gameplay in this game. if a full team wants to go set in 4 sagaris I will happly pop all 4 mine and get 12 quick kills. before you say it is impossible 3 tanks came rolling down on attacking. 2 sagaris 1 surya. I pop out on onside they all come after me I come rolling up from behind all of a sudden 1, 2 , 3. :) 8 kills in the first Min. :)
oh proto gear is OP as **** but if I don't use it some little nub like you will 1 hit splash damage me with a forge gun.
I want a balanced game, I do not like levels, or rewards for an in-game buff of anykind, everyone should have a battle rifle and that should be it, no grenades, no running, hacking should be an instant process. BALANCED. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.07.27 04:33:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:I want a balanced game, I do not like levels, or rewards for an in-game buff of anykind, everyone should have a battle rifle and that should be it, no grenades, no running, hacking should be an instant process. BALANCED. So a very boring game?
If everyone is that balanced and using the exact same weapon, not sure anyone will stay tbh.
Considering the very core of anything EVE/DUST related is "levels" in things, I am dead certain that this game is not for you, nor will it ever be.
I can see where you are coming from, but this is not ever going to happen in DUST as it conflicts with the very mission/concept of it. |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
138
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Posted - 2012.07.27 04:36:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:I want a balanced game, I do not like levels, or rewards for an in-game buff of anykind, everyone should have a battle rifle and that should be it, no grenades, no running, hacking should be an instant process. BALANCED. So a very boring game? If everyone is that balanced and using the exact same weapon, not sure anyone will stay tbh.
it will be competitive! however that will never happen because everyone too noob to make one tbqh. so if I must I will fight until this game is balanced where anyone can kill anyone with more skill than them.
OP's last post for tonight ^^ |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.07.27 04:44:00 -
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I'm curious if there is any game on the market like that. |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.07.27 04:59:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:the only reason I have been outnumbered here is simple. there are not that many FPSers that know/give a f*ck about this game to be here with me. I am trying to change this game for the success of CCP.
No I think only a small amount of people agree with you and you are trying to change the game for your wants, not for their success. You probably just got pummled by a few tanks and wanted them nerfed. |
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Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:00:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:I want a balanced game, I do not like levels, or rewards for an in-game buff of anykind, everyone should have a battle rifle and that should be it, no grenades, no running, hacking should be an instant process. BALANCED. So a very boring game? If everyone is that balanced and using the exact same weapon, not sure anyone will stay tbh. it will be competitive! however that will never happen because everyone too noob to make one tbqh. so if I must I will fight until this game is balanced where anyone can kill anyone with more skill than them. OP's last post for tonight ^^
No one here except you wants everyone to use the same weapon. That would get old very quick which is why no one made a game out of it. |
Sin3 DeusNomine
Doomheim
142
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:09:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Sin3 DeusNomine wrote:Almighty I do not know why you **** and moan like a little school girl so much.
I do not cry OP about your fully proto gear assault suit set up. Oh no ALMIGHTY spent 10m points to get his ubber assault set up he is OP because I shot him in the back with my advanced rifle with no skills behind it and he turned around and killed me.
It is the same thing someone who spends 10m into the sagaris/surya gets the kills easier. Just like you with your proto suit getting easy kills.
Oh no a tank killed me 2 times I actually have to DIE so something has to be OP in this game.
But yes 3-4 vehicles are a must otherwise you destroy the vehicle gameplay in this game. if a full team wants to go set in 4 sagaris I will happly pop all 4 mine and get 12 quick kills. before you say it is impossible 3 tanks came rolling down on attacking. 2 sagaris 1 surya. I pop out on onside they all come after me I come rolling up from behind all of a sudden 1, 2 , 3. :) 8 kills in the first Min. :)
oh proto gear is OP as **** but if I don't use it some little nub like you will 1 hit splash damage me with a forge gun. I want a balanced game, I do not like levels, or rewards for an in-game buff of anykind, everyone should have a battle rifle and that should be it, no grenades, no running, hacking should be an instant process. BALANCED.
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Sandromin Hes
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
204
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:27:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Traynor Youngs wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:
LISTEN TO ME.
IF YOU WANT A SUCCESFUL GAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOOBS PLAYING IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THIS IS CONSOLE
I KNOW CCP THOUGHT IT WAS CLEVER TO MAKE THIS EFFECT EVE AND MAKE IT ALMOST SUCCESSFUL JUST FROM THAT.
BUT LISTEN TO ME.
NOT. EVERYONE. FROM. EVE. WILL. BUY. A. PS3. FOR. THIS. GAME.
YOU NEED IT TO BE BALANCED IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE LIKE US TO PLAY! WE WILL GLADLY BE YOUR WORK HORSES FOR A VAST EMPIRE IF THE GAME IS GOOD META GAME MEANS NOTHING IF I CAN'T GET TO THE TOP WITH SKILL
1. STOP YELLING AT ME 2. "Balance" is not what you think it is. Like I said, if you want an ARENA style FPS, go elsewhere. Balance in an sandbox is called balance of opportunity. Not balance of outcome. 3. Meta game is something that you don't even know that you know nothing about. When you are actually leading a campaign of battles to conquer dozens of systems and have hundreds of other real people following your orders, then you can tell me that "SkILL IS KING!" cause it isn't, leadership and metagaming strategy is king, skill is what you tie your shoes with. Skill is the only thing that matters. I, the other good players, the cod players, the battlefield players, the halo players, DO NOT give a $HIT about meta, we want a game that's FUN not a game about taking mindless orders from a leader or a game where strat's and numbers can conquer all, it's not balanced when you have so many numbers we can't protect ourselves, even you must realize that.
Meta-game is extremely important. In null-sec, the people who invest their time and ISK to get more ISK through strategies and numbers... They'll win. They get BILLIONS if not trillions of ISK. They hire thousands of troops with equal if not greater skill, only for a fraction of their wallet. They slaughter you. They force you to rage quit. Look, there is a thing you need to understand: Skill is not greater than strategy. It never will be. It does compute, but is not a greater force than strategy or numbers. If you play the game through strategy, you'll beat the player with skill. However, they created this thing called high-sec, which allows you to play skill rather than strategy.
You need to realize that the player who learns has strategy. You had the chance to learn, but you denied it in the pursuit of skill. Its an equal opportunity, not equal balance. If you have the chance, you take it, you learn strategy and numbers. The guy who hires you? He has strategy. Good players are the ones who learn the game, take the opportunity, take the time, invest the money, and build an empire upon what they gain. And guess what? Its balanced. If you work hours on end, get billions of ISK, don't you DESERVE to deploy as many tanks as you want, just to stomp on your enemy? Its how much you invest, how much of your mind you deploy.
Its BLUE COLLAR vs WHITE COLLAR. Skill gets you somewhere, but strategy gets you further. You both have the equal opportunity to play, you get all the same chances to do stuff, and everything is allowed. But the person who invests more gains more. He's winning because he put his mind into the game. If you can't put your mind into the game, get out of the game. This is a strategic MMO; its a saga that you endure, where you get all the same opportunities. You forge your own path. Its up to you to determine whether or not you win, so choose how you'll win. Will you win the battle with skills or the war with strategy? Me, I'd much rather win the war. After all, the war has the most gains.
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:47:00 -
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Very simple....
If a corp wants to fund a bajillion tanks, fine. it out of their wallet.
If you dont like how tanks kill infantry so easily, fine. go look up 'tank" on wikipedia.
If you dont like how some guy keeps killing you with X or Y weapon, fine. Its not called imbalanced, its called losing to a guy with a proper counter to your current fitting/tactics/play style.
If you think EVE wont last because its not COD, fine. You underestimate CCP, their staying power, and what this game is about.
If you dont like any of these points or dont like the fact that the meta game will have a profound impact on the way this game is played, fine. Unfortunately, this game isnt for you, nor will it change to mimic what you want. CCP has a vision for their baby and they will see it through. Please go find another game as there are many others which would suit your likings much better.
You dont have to feel bad about it, its just not for you... |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.07.27 07:27:00 -
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Vehicle ratios actually have to be addressed because when in matches there's absolutely no reason as to why 3 out of the 11 players in the match are actually on the ground playing the game while everybody else is off jerking each other. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:29:00 -
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As an AV/AR hybrid player (I have an AR loadout, a forge gun loadout and a SL/nanohive loadout), I'd be very happy just sitting somewhere where no one can see me, blowing up dropships, HAVs and LAVs all day. My only weakness? Those damn infantry...!! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:14:00 -
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Laheon wrote:As an AV/AR hybrid player (I have an AR loadout, a forge gun loadout and a SL/nanohive loadout), I'd be very happy just sitting somewhere where no one can see me, blowing up dropships, HAVs and LAVs all day. My only weakness? Those damn infantry...!! I'm AV/support - I have a couple of SMG and AR builds, but they're support-focused more than anything. I also don't have a problem with vehicles.
I can stall, confuse and distract even most Surya and Sagaris drivers with a Militia Swarm Launcher. Doesn't work quite so well against enemy infantry. Although it's sometimes fun to try. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:18:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:1 tank per... 12 people I guess for now... but it'd have to be adjusted for when they add bigger game types ofc. 1-12 sounds pretty good actually...
A month ago, I might have agreed just a little, but now, when tanks die as easily as they do, HELL NO!!! |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:32:00 -
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Dewie, I have to say, a couple of games ago, I think you were in a Surya..? I was the one who kept trying to blow you up with a swarm launcher. And dying to you.
Well played, sir. A smart tank driver won't die, where a stupid one will :) |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.27 13:10:00 -
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High sec prob have limits
Low and null drop 50 tanks on your foot so adapt or die |
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