Norbar You here are dividing Draw Distance and Rendering Distance but actually they are one thing.


Sorry if I sound pedantic for this technicality but we will understand each other better....anyway you are right: Draw/Rendering Distance is a problem.
For game that is set on maps of 5km it's depressing and objectively hinders the gameplay and frankly I don't understand why this is still present after so much time and this far in the development!

Proto just asked for the redline to disappear. He didn't say at any point "do I can be a spawn camper". You all read what you want to think, not what's written.
Bitter much?

Just Cause 2 on PS3 proved that PS3 can achieve enormous Draw Distance.
In Just Cause 2 you have 1 player and thousands of things to be processed for him but here map are barren (no trees bushes, rocks, oceans, cars, NPC, no nothing) so the engine have to process very few things.

In Dust 514 for 64 players there ar less things to be processed then for 1 player Just Cause 2: DD can't be this limited.

If this game really is supposed to be a sandbox redlines and safe zones have no place. People shouldn't be able to hide in their spawn when they are getting destroyed.

Protoman, youre getting on my nerves. Its funny you want to remove redlining when you leave the battle whenever a tank starts kicking your ass.

HIs actions are completely understandable. I'm surprised he even plays this game because of all the overpowered tanks. I think I'm right in saying jumpman is a specialist. He specializes in antipersonnel. He is probably the best there is. If there is no one to take out tanks he can't do his job.

And by his own logic, he lost for being such a poor soldier who can't be bothered to support his team in anything other than striclty AP combat. So he then must pay the price and die repeatedly to his aggressor until the match ends. Or...wait...would he not like that?

HIs actions are completely understandable. I'm surprised he even plays this game because of all the overpowered tanks. I think I'm right in saying jumpman is a specialist. He specializes in antipersonnel. He is probably the best there is. If there is no one to take out tanks he can't do his job.

And by his own logic, he lost for being such a poor soldier who can't be bothered to support his team in anything other than striclty AP combat. So he then must pay the price and die repeatedly to his aggressor until the match ends. Or...wait...would he not like that?

That's just unnecessary... This is why we need grouping. Specialist are good in every fps. You need a close quarters guy. An assault rifle person. A sniper, and an anti vehicle person who can also specialize in smgs as well.

You don't ever expect a Sniper to kill a Tank. Your point holds no water. His logic is the same as mine: Play the game, don't chase the kills. The reason these things happen (as I stated earlier) is because no one is PLAYING DUST-514, they're playing "explode-y Kablow-y 514" (Launching Early 2013, BTW) as a CoD clone.

I think that the more this happens the better. Eventually people are going to have to learn the hard way that not dropping mobile uplinks is simply not an option.

Redlines need to go and if people are fighting losing battles rather than getting destroyed or quitting out players should be able to vote to end the match and the losing team should have to forfeit a % of their gear, SP, and ISK to the winning team.

I'm guessing that CCP has prioritized developing their network and networked events (hit detection, lag, comms, connection issues, player database, etc.) and basic game mechanics (physics, collision issues, disappearing asset issues, etc.) over draw distance. The fact that this is a multiplayer game confounds a lot of what would otherwise be simpler.

And CCP has said they hear what players are saying regarding draw distances. I don't recall any firm promises, though.

This is silly. Nobody will ever, ever press the "lose the match and give the spawn camping team slaughtering me some of my stuff" button instead of the power button on their console.

It was kind of a disheartening weekend, seeing high level players I respected parking on the towers, quicktossing REs, and quitting out of matches simply because their team wasn't winning handily.

Yes, the lack of grouping and the constant search for new exploits are very annoying, but if you care that much about your beta KDR, why not just quit while you're ahead and await the final release?

Where is KDR mentioned anywhere in this thread? secondly you'd be surprised how many people would wave a white flag of surrender and minimize their loses by simply forfeiting a match. By surrendering not only would they get a lose, but they would also get some of their SP and ISK. When people PS quit out of games they lose everything, and did nothing but waste their precious time.

This is silly. Nobody will ever, ever press the "lose the match and give the spawn camping team slaughtering me some of my stuff" button instead of the power button on their console.

It was kind of a disheartening weekend, seeing high level players I respected parking on the towers, quicktossing REs, and quitting out of matches simply because their team wasn't winning handily.

Yes, the lack of grouping and the constant search for new exploits are very annoying, but if you care that much about your beta KDR, why not just quit while you're ahead and await the final release?

Where is KDR mentioned anywhere in this thread? secondly you'd be surprised how many people would wave a white flag of surrender and minimize their loses by simply forfeiting a match. By surrendering not only would they get a lose, but they would also get some of their SP and ISK. When people PS quit out of games they lose everything, and did nothing but waste their precious time.

As the game is currently implemented, an anti-vehicle infantry unit can not use a Swarm Launcher to gain a lock on a target that is annihilating you with direct fire from out of visual range.