Two options when totally overrun:

1) Quit Out: Lose whatever equipment you already lost in the match and the current fitting and receive 0 SP and 0 ISK.

2) Surrender: Lose your current fitting, and receive greater than 0 SP and greater than 0 ISK.

Simple logic. If you aren't choosing option 2 you're an idiot. The problem is right now we have:

1) Quit Out: Lose whatever equipment you already lost in the match and the current fitting and receive 0 SP and 0 ISK.

2) Keep dying: Lose your current fitting, and the next one, and the next one, and the next one. And receive greater than 0 SP and greater than 0 ISK.

Players should be able to spawn in a safe zone. Are you seriously trying to run off all the new players. With a game with this much depth there needs to be a safe zone. Your main goal in skirmish is to capture the objective, not spawn camp them. Should be ashamed lol.

This is silly. Nobody will ever, ever press the "lose the match and give the spawn camping team slaughtering me some of my stuff" button instead of the power button on their console.

It was kind of a disheartening weekend, seeing high level players I respected parking on the towers, quicktossing REs, and quitting out of matches simply because their team wasn't winning handily.

Yes, the lack of grouping and the constant search for new exploits are very annoying, but if you care that much about your beta KDR, why not just quit while you're ahead and await the final release?

So people should just waste their time fighting a losing battle?

If this game really is supposed to be a sandbox redlines and safe zones have no place. People shouldn't be able to hide in their spawn when they are getting destroyed.

Yes. This is a game, not real life. Just relish the fact that you pinned them down in there spawn. That itself is a victory. If you had it where you could spawn camp there spawn then EVERYBODY would do it and no novice skill ranged players would stick around. Now in NullSec......I'm game for it but players should know what to expect when they go to NullSec.

I agree. Grouping is necessary and specialization is the name of the game. But...I dunno. I guess I just look at it differently. Instead of constantly spawning in with an AR when faced with an immediate major tank threat, I would expect my team, even the specialists, to change to an alternate fitting. Even a militia fitting, because that extra 500-1000 damage a few times over can make or break a tank. I know - I watched three marauders do down within seconds of each other because the other team got smart and loaded out with swarms and forge guns. Pop pop pop. Only one got called back in, and it went down quickly.

Of course, if we get rid of redlines, maybe I could just sit in the spawn with my tank and the enemy would clip it when they spawn and immediately die without being given the opportunity to even shoot...

Pfft.. People these days. Pansies. The whole lot of them.

The line must drawn here! No farther!

People need to grow a pair.

There is a point of merit in this topic, but I fear it just require a huge reevaluation on how battles are staged. By sheer technical limitation, there has to be an edge to the map and until we have actual hot drops with with viable attacking and defense options, I would rather the redline have a lore reason. For example, the MCC could project a very tight POS style shield on the deployment zone (the red-line). Perhaps with a limitation that it is exit only (so no bouncing in and out of immunity).

Personally, I would love to see the battle open with the attackers coming in by loaded dropships and RDVs with pilots already jacked in. Then leave it up to the attackers and defenders to see if a foothold can be established and where. But CCP is trying to "idiot-proof" some aspects of the game; I doubt an opening that could be stonewalled so brutally will be allowed to go live, even if it is more immersion.

In most games i've found that the people who don't care about spawn camping are the ones who quit out of games when they are being spawn camped. They love doing it to other people but they despise it so much they leave games and are never affected by it.

Proto is not to blame for CCP's epic design failure that is putting spawns in 100m open ground. But don't forget "it's a beta" so we can't mention that.