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DrunkMonk 1 Walmart Brand Mercenaries 26	Posted - 2012.07.15 20:29:00 - [61] - Quote Genhawkk wrote: DrunkMonk 1 wrote: Genhawkk wrote: I keep telling people that it will only take about a month (since we are at 4x SP currently in beta) to get Proto Weapon and Armor (If you bee-line it obviously). But EVERYONE keeps telling me it will take 6+ Months and all this other ****... regardless of looking at the math (especially since diminishing returns ARE currently in). Now, if it REALLY does take 6+ month just to unlock a proto weapon + armor then this community is going to be EXTREMELY small and niche! You can argue all you want about getting headshots and all this "player skill;" but the fact is a veteran will have 50% more damage, shield, armor, etc.... and the new guy has to spend 6 months with that disadvantage to be on the same level of field that would then be dictated by "player skill." I love EVE, skill system and ALLLLL the meta game; but this game is F2P on a restricted PS3 market! I have NEVER EVER heard of a game on the PS3 that sets you up against veterans with a 50% advantage across the board that you have to put up with months on end. This game is F2P and you have to disregard launch as the game needs to GROW; especially if they move it to PC or even XBOX. More people playing a F2P game is never a bad thing Excatly! no one is going to want to suffer through loss after loss and death after death they will just quit the game all together and then you'll have no player base except for a small group of dedicated players who will liekly get bored fighting the same people over and over. But I am not saying to get rid of the skill system or ANYHTING like that (I love it).... Just reduce the difference at 50% across the board (can be more if fitted specifically) is a A LOT! Ya I hear you the game definitely has balanceing issues that need to adressed but a lot of players here dont want that, they'd rather be nearly invincible when it comes to fighting new players
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.07.15 20:36:00 - [62] - Quote They shouldn't dumb down the game any for noobs who have to play catch up. Its like that in most online shooters you get owned by people with advanced gear. All it does is make you play harder and smarter. For one they can play as a team and get kill assists so there still getting points. Or they can play like a CoD moron and get pwned.. Noobs wanting advanced gear too soon usually want to play as rambo anyway not actually doing much for their team.. the gimped gear forces them to play as a team by the time they get better gear they already understand what team play is about. I came into the beta late, had to vs ppl with advanced gear but that didn't ruin the game for me it just made me try harder. I would like to think I'm not a minority in that aspect.. adjusting the game so noobs can feel good about themselves by trying to "balance" everything is a bad move. if they can't pay their dues then online FPS probly not really for them anyway.. offline maybe be a better choice for them if they get that butt hurt about things being balanced in their favor when others before them manned up to the challenge..
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2012.07.15 20:41:00 - [63] - Quote DrunkMonk 1 wrote: Genhawkk wrote: DrunkMonk 1 wrote: Genhawkk wrote: I keep telling people that it will only take about a month (since we are at 4x SP currently in beta) to get Proto Weapon and Armor (If you bee-line it obviously). But EVERYONE keeps telling me it will take 6+ Months and all this other ****... regardless of looking at the math (especially since diminishing returns ARE currently in). Now, if it REALLY does take 6+ month just to unlock a proto weapon + armor then this community is going to be EXTREMELY small and niche! You can argue all you want about getting headshots and all this "player skill;" but the fact is a veteran will have 50% more damage, shield, armor, etc.... and the new guy has to spend 6 months with that disadvantage to be on the same level of field that would then be dictated by "player skill." I love EVE, skill system and ALLLLL the meta game; but this game is F2P on a restricted PS3 market! I have NEVER EVER heard of a game on the PS3 that sets you up against veterans with a 50% advantage across the board that you have to put up with months on end. This game is F2P and you have to disregard launch as the game needs to GROW; especially if they move it to PC or even XBOX. More people playing a F2P game is never a bad thing Excatly! no one is going to want to suffer through loss after loss and death after death they will just quit the game all together and then you'll have no player base except for a small group of dedicated players who will liekly get bored fighting the same people over and over. But I am not saying to get rid of the skill system or ANYHTING like that (I love it).... Just reduce the difference at 50% across the board (can be more if fitted specifically) is a A LOT! Ya I hear you the game definitely has balanceing issues that need to adressed but a lot of players here dont want that, they'd rather be nearly invincible when it comes to fighting new players The whole POINT of the discrepancy is to create a DIVIDE between new players and vets. Reducing that discrepancy will make the problem worse, not better. Noobs will play in high sec for small payouts against other noobs.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.15 21:08:00 - [64] - Quote DrunkMonk 1 wrote: What it all comes down to is the fact that SOME of the people who play this are terrible at shooters and want to be good at this game so they want there to be a grind. They want to spend every waking moment playing this game so they can feel good when they kill someone who dosnt have good gear. I personally dont see the fun in killing someone who dosnt stand chance because his gear isnt good. I'm good at shooters (especially when you give me good controls; read: mouse), and I'm one of the ones sitting here explaining that the "grind" is a non-issue, and is in fact a good and important aspect of the gameplay and strategy. Furthermore, as I already stated, I use nothing but BPOs, and even using a controller, still make a very nice showing for myself. I'm walking, talking proof that gear isn't everything, and that's the great thing about player-skill-based games like EVE and Dust.
Wicked Weasle 6	Posted - 2012.07.15 21:24:00 - [65] - Quote I ish started flame war. JEEZUS! I just want to tell you guys this is supposed to be an FPS not an mmo. In an FPS game yes you can get better weapons but its usually a slight advantage not an overwhelming advantage of 60% damage bonus on a proto AR and not to mention a proto dropsuit. BTW A PROTO SNIPER with that same 60% can kill any basic or lower geared unit in one shot to the chest. and maybe even some advanced gear units. Not to mention one shot militia units in the foot. Also proto AR with this bonus can drop militia with two bullets, but takes them almost two clips to take out a proto. FAIR? i THINK NOT? MY POINT: STOP THE STATS and drop the skill bonuses to like 1% per level and make leveling faster. TIS a game for FPS players not an FPS for EVE players.
DrunkMonk 1 Walmart Brand Mercenaries 26	Posted - 2012.07.15 21:31:00 - [66] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: DrunkMonk 1 wrote: What it all comes down to is the fact that SOME of the people who play this are terrible at shooters and want to be good at this game so they want there to be a grind. They want to spend every waking moment playing this game so they can feel good when they kill someone who dosnt have good gear. I personally dont see the fun in killing someone who dosnt stand chance because his gear isnt good. I'm good at shooters (especially when you give me good controls; read: mouse), and I'm one of the ones sitting here explaining that the "grind" is a non-issue, and is in fact a good and important aspect of the gameplay and strategy. Furthermore, as I already stated, I use nothing but BPOs, and even using a controller, still make a very nice showing for myself. I'm walking, talking proof that gear isn't everything, and that's the great thing about player-skill-based games like EVE and Dust. Ya I got one nice piece of a gear yesterday a credon and my KDR has been climbing since, But I still think that the game needs to be more balanced maybe force people to play with people of the similar total sp.
DrunkMonk 1 Walmart Brand Mercenaries 26	Posted - 2012.07.15 21:36:00 - [67] - Quote DrunkMonk 1 wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: DrunkMonk 1 wrote: What it all comes down to is the fact that SOME of the people who play this are terrible at shooters and want to be good at this game so they want there to be a grind. They want to spend every waking moment playing this game so they can feel good when they kill someone who dosnt have good gear. I personally dont see the fun in killing someone who dosnt stand chance because his gear isnt good. I'm good at shooters (especially when you give me good controls; read: mouse), and I'm one of the ones sitting here explaining that the "grind" is a non-issue, and is in fact a good and important aspect of the gameplay and strategy. Furthermore, as I already stated, I use nothing but BPOs, and even using a controller, still make a very nice showing for myself. I'm walking, talking proof that gear isn't everything, and that's the great thing about player-skill-based games like EVE and Dust. Ya I got one nice piece of a gear yesterday a credon and my KDR has been climbing since, But I still think that the game needs to be more balanced maybe force people to play with people similar total sp.
Sandromin Hes Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 204	Posted - 2012.07.15 21:52:00 - [68] - Quote Don't forget we're being rewarded with permanent dropsuits for our beta testing. Not proto gear mind you, but still better than militia.
Genhawkk Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.07.15 22:02:00 - [69] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: They shouldn't dumb down the game any for noobs who have to play catch up. Its like that in most online shooters you get owned by people with advanced gear. All it does is make you play harder and smarter. For one they can play as a team and get kill assists so there still getting points. Or they can play like a CoD moron and get pwned.. Noobs wanting advanced gear too soon usually want to play as rambo anyway not actually doing much for their team.. the gimped gear forces them to play as a team by the time they get better gear they already understand what team play is about. I came into the beta late, had to vs ppl with advanced gear but that didn't ruin the game for me it just made me try harder. I would like to think I'm not a minority in that aspect.. adjusting the game so noobs can feel good about themselves by trying to "balance" everything is a bad move. if they can't pay their dues then online FPS probly not really for them anyway.. offline maybe be a better choice for them if they get that butt hurt about things being balanced in their favor when others before them manned up to the challenge.. There is a big difference when it comes to other games, especially COD (as your example you used). Having a slightly higher rate or fire, weapon feel, or even a different grenade (sticky vs frag). No FPS on the market has a 50% damage, shield, armor for being Mac level verse someone who just started (like COD as you used it as an example).
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2012.07.15 22:09:00 - [70] - Quote Wicked Weasle wrote: I ish started flame war. JEEZUS! I just want to tell you guys this is supposed to be an FPS not an mmo. In an FPS game yes you can get better weapons but its usually a slight advantage not an overwhelming advantage of 60% damage bonus on a proto AR and not to mention a proto dropsuit. BTW A PROTO SNIPER with that same 60% can kill any basic or lower geared unit in one shot to the chest. and maybe even some advanced gear units. Not to mention one shot militia units in the foot. Also proto AR with this bonus can drop militia with two bullets, but takes them almost two clips to take out a proto. FAIR? i THINK NOT? MY POINT: STOP THE STATS and drop the skill bonuses to like 1% per level and make leveling faster. TIS a game for FPS players not an FPS for EVE players. This is an MMOFPS. You clearly don't have any idea what you are talking about. Why would a vet waste time in High sec? It's baseless arguments like yours asking to take the Dust 514 out of Dust 514 that makes people say "go back to your CoD arcade games."

Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.07.15 22:17:00 - [71] - Quote I haven't read all replies, but FYI, In EVE a good pilot tend to earn about 25 milllion SP. Per year. Things takes time, and even at a quarter of the current rate, skill earning in DUST is exceptionally fast.
Hawk Von Draum Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2012.07.15 23:46:00 - [72] - Quote Shinigami6 Test wrote: I think its really wrong that we will gain a quarter of what we are earning now. most skills take 1,000,000 sp to max. if we gained 10k per match we would have to play 100 matches. i for one don't want to commit only to one weapon or armor, or play style altogether. i want to be able to experience the full game with out having to commit to hundreds of game hours And where does it say you need to max out a skill to use a weapon type?
DrunkMonk 1 Walmart Brand Mercenaries 26	Posted - 2012.07.16 01:24:00 - [73] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Wicked Weasle wrote: I ish started flame war. JEEZUS! I just want to tell you guys this is supposed to be an FPS not an mmo. In an FPS game yes you can get better weapons but its usually a slight advantage not an overwhelming advantage of 60% damage bonus on a proto AR and not to mention a proto dropsuit. BTW A PROTO SNIPER with that same 60% can kill any basic or lower geared unit in one shot to the chest. and maybe even some advanced gear units. Not to mention one shot militia units in the foot. Also proto AR with this bonus can drop militia with two bullets, but takes them almost two clips to take out a proto. FAIR? i THINK NOT? MY POINT: STOP THE STATS and drop the skill bonuses to like 1% per level and make leveling faster. TIS a game for FPS players not an FPS for EVE players. This is an MMOFPS. You clearly don't have any idea what you are talking about. Why would a vet waste time in High sec? It's baseless arguments like yours asking to take the Dust 514 out of Dust 514 that makes people say "go back to your CoD arcade games." A vet would spend time on low sec to kill noobs If he is already happy with his character why would he care about how much sp he was getting
Genhawkk Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.07.16 02:16:00 - [74] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Wicked Weasle wrote: I ish started flame war. JEEZUS! I just want to tell you guys this is supposed to be an FPS not an mmo. In an FPS game yes you can get better weapons but its usually a slight advantage not an overwhelming advantage of 60% damage bonus on a proto AR and not to mention a proto dropsuit. BTW A PROTO SNIPER with that same 60% can kill any basic or lower geared unit in one shot to the chest. and maybe even some advanced gear units. Not to mention one shot militia units in the foot. Also proto AR with this bonus can drop militia with two bullets, but takes them almost two clips to take out a proto. FAIR? i THINK NOT? MY POINT: STOP THE STATS and drop the skill bonuses to like 1% per level and make leveling faster. TIS a game for FPS players not an FPS for EVE players. This is an MMOFPS. You clearly don't have any idea what you are talking about. Why would a vet waste time in High sec? It's baseless arguments like yours asking to take the Dust 514 out of Dust 514 that makes people say "go back to your CoD arcade games." You will have to tell me which fortune teller you use.... Speculation is speculative, how can you talk about something that is not even out or has been fully talked about? Love all the speculation on the forums the past couple of days; hell one dude said we only have 10% of the game and CCP already has all the PVE / Security Status done and that we were just testing out the core combat! This forum keeps getting better and better every week!
Armatsu Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 33	Posted - 2012.07.16 21:21:00 - [75] - Quote Genhawkk wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Wicked Weasle wrote: I ish started flame war. JEEZUS! I just want to tell you guys this is supposed to be an FPS not an mmo. In an FPS game yes you can get better weapons but its usually a slight advantage not an overwhelming advantage of 60% damage bonus on a proto AR and not to mention a proto dropsuit. BTW A PROTO SNIPER with that same 60% can kill any basic or lower geared unit in one shot to the chest. and maybe even some advanced gear units. Not to mention one shot militia units in the foot. Also proto AR with this bonus can drop militia with two bullets, but takes them almost two clips to take out a proto. FAIR? i THINK NOT? MY POINT: STOP THE STATS and drop the skill bonuses to like 1% per level and make leveling faster. TIS a game for FPS players not an FPS for EVE players. This is an MMOFPS. You clearly don't have any idea what you are talking about. Why would a vet waste time in High sec? It's baseless arguments like yours asking to take the Dust 514 out of Dust 514 that makes people say "go back to your CoD arcade games." You will have to tell me which fortune teller you use.... Speculation is speculative, how can you talk about something that is not even out or has been fully talked about? Love all the speculation on the forums the past couple of days; hell one dude said we only have 10% of the game and CCP already has all the PVE / Security Status done and that we were just testing out the core combat! This forum keeps getting better and better every week! Are you quoting Baal Roo? If so i'm confused. He didn't say anything that isn't common knowledge. Dust is an MMOFPS. Just like EVE, most vets will not waste time in High Sec unless they are trolling. If they do hang around in High Sec it would be exactly like Halo 3 and League of Legends is with people just trying to pick up free kills and feel good about themselves. Most players however will be in low and null sec where the rewards are much greater.
Ryan Martel Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2012.07.16 21:49:00 - [76] - Quote James Trendall wrote: Shinigami6 Test wrote: I think its really wrong that we will gain a quarter of what we are earning now. most skills take 1,000,000 sp to max. if we gained 10k per match we would have to play 100 matches. i for one don't want to commit only to one weapon or armor, or play style altogether. i want to be able to experience the full game with out having to commit to hundreds of game hours CCP have made EVE in to a 9+year game and its still going strong. If dust was to conform to the majority of console shooters and make the game easy to reach max lvl's for you to unlock all the stuff you want within a few weeks you wont have much more enjoyment left for the game to give. I agree that we are all used to 100+k SP then dropping down to around20k after a few games but think of it as a challenge to get that proto gear you so desperately want. Challenge Accepted!
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2012.07.16 22:59:00 - [77] - Quote Genhawkk wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Wicked Weasle wrote: I ish started flame war. JEEZUS! I just want to tell you guys this is supposed to be an FPS not an mmo. In an FPS game yes you can get better weapons but its usually a slight advantage not an overwhelming advantage of 60% damage bonus on a proto AR and not to mention a proto dropsuit. BTW A PROTO SNIPER with that same 60% can kill any basic or lower geared unit in one shot to the chest. and maybe even some advanced gear units. Not to mention one shot militia units in the foot. Also proto AR with this bonus can drop militia with two bullets, but takes them almost two clips to take out a proto. FAIR? i THINK NOT? MY POINT: STOP THE STATS and drop the skill bonuses to like 1% per level and make leveling faster. TIS a game for FPS players not an FPS for EVE players. This is an MMOFPS. You clearly don't have any idea what you are talking about. Why would a vet waste time in High sec? It's baseless arguments like yours asking to take the Dust 514 out of Dust 514 that makes people say "go back to your CoD arcade games." You will have to tell me which fortune teller you use.... Speculation is speculative, how can you talk about something that is not even out or has been fully talked about? Love all the speculation on the forums the past couple of days; hell one dude said we only have 10% of the game and CCP already has all the PVE / Security Status done and that we were just testing out the core combat! This forum keeps getting better and better every week! I would say 10% might be a stretch actually, considering CCP has stated that there will be 7,000 maps at launch, and we currently have TWO. The thing is though, really we are BOTH "speculating", but I'm speculating based on the information CCP has provided about how the game will be structured, whereas your speculations seem to be based off of how games like CoD or Halo are structured. This entire conversation is speculative, so it seems it makes sense to at least assume CCP will deliver the basic structure they have outlined.
Craig Greenway 21	Posted - 2012.08.16 18:57:00 - [78] - Quote Who would have thought my topic from ages ago is so popular, and I still only have 2 likes lol
pew pew youredead What The French 98	Posted - 2012.08.16 19:22:00 - [79] - Quote Wicked Weasle wrote: I ish started flame war. JEEZUS! I just want to tell you guys this is supposed to be an FPS not an mmo. In an FPS game yes you can get better weapons but its usually a slight advantage not an overwhelming advantage of 60% damage bonus on a proto AR and not to mention a proto dropsuit. BTW A PROTO SNIPER with that same 60% can kill any basic or lower geared unit in one shot to the chest. and maybe even some advanced gear units. Not to mention one shot militia units in the foot. Also proto AR with this bonus can drop militia with two bullets, but takes them almost two clips to take out a proto. FAIR? i THINK NOT? MY POINT: STOP THE STATS and drop the skill bonuses to like 1% per level and make leveling faster. TIS a game for FPS players not an FPS for EVE players. you STILL don't get the point of this game noobs get killed. end. ->Welcome to EVE still don't want to understand, COD is that way -> here's the door stats are what make eve and dust, it's not like i never got killed by a militia dude while i'm wearing advanced armor and proto weapons, just have to fight smarter and not ZERGRUSH ohmagad imded.


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