Hello Gentlemen!

I recently finished a pretty in-depth review of LAVs in the feedback forum. If you wouldn't mind taking a look at it and dropping your two cents, it would be appreciated. The LAV is really the Scout's vehicle of choice. Do our class a favor and make sure it gets the attention that it needs from the developers!

Damn forum won't let me post the link so I leave it to you gentlemen to find it.

Stay Frosty.

-=Norbar=-

I think in the case of Dust this is one case where it's hard to decide whether they should adopt the Counter Strike knife, or be more like it is now in line with Call of Duty. However, I would say it should be more treated either like Counter Strike or more like Battlefield3.

Personally I believe that knives always prove to be a hard topic for developers. They can quickly grow to be over powering and over used, or under powered and useless like it is now. It really is hard to say.

They need to go the Killzone route. Make it an equipable item. Keep it how it is now, but maybe fix the registry a tad. Then add a slightly longer swing time as well. Then make it so if you choose so you can pull out exclusively the knife for quick jabs if you are sneaking up on someone.

Maybe, but KILLZONE3 screwed it up, and over dramatized the whole experience. If that is the case just make it more or less like either Counter Strike or Battlefield3 then.

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I think it would be cool to do away with the knife almost and give us stock butting! Weapon flogging, and pistol whipping!

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You know what? Screw it! I want my super beefy Power Armor and chain swords! Give me WARHAMMER40K!!!

Sorry guys, haven't been around to bump the thread or add the new loadouts, but I'm doing it now.

As for the questions about Armor Plates and Kinetic Catalysts you could check my stat guides on them in the front of the thread :D

Standard is -3% to movement
Advanced is -5% to movement
Prototype is -10% to movement

It's actually better to have 3 standard Armor plates than 1 complex one because it will net you more armor for less PG and Speed reduction. But it takes up all three slots. Having a complex armor plate would lower you to 5 m/s movement and 7 m/s sprint. But if you throw 2 complex kinetic catalysts to balance it out you could max your speed at 8.7 sprint. It would take a huge chuck out of your PG though... don't even know if it's possible. Before weapons or equipment or shields you'd have 41 PG on the suit with a max of 75 fully upgraded. All so you could run at 8.7 with 230 armor and 117 shielding. I don't think scouts should be armor tanking. Maybe if you wanted to take the hit to movement, but it almost turns you into an assault with 2x shielding. I'm curious if this build works for you. My personal tastes make me never sacrifice speed, but dust is for the experimenters so have at it!

Sorry guys, haven't been around to bump the thread or add the new loadouts, but I'm doing it now.

As for the questions about Armor Plates and Kinetic Catalysts you could check my stat guides on them in the front of the thread :D

Standard is -3% to movement
Advanced is -5% to movement
Prototype is -10% to movement

It's actually better to have 3 standard Armor plates than 1 complex one because it will net you more armor for less PG and Speed reduction. But it takes up all three slots. Having a complex armor plate would lower you to 5 m/s movement and 7 m/s sprint. But if you throw 2 complex kinetic catalysts to balance it out you could max your speed at 8.7 sprint. It would take a huge chuck out of your PG though... don't even know if it's possible. Before weapons or equipment or shields you'd have 41 PG on the suit with a max of 75 fully upgraded. All so you could run at 8.7 with 230 armor and 117 shielding. I don't think scouts should be armor tanking. Maybe if you wanted to take the hit to movement, but it almost turns you into an assault with 2x shielding. I'm curious if this build works for you. My personal tastes make me never sacrifice speed, but dust is for the experimenters so have at it!

this sounds like a bad scout build,doesn't optaminze the scouts strengths, i cant see anyone doing this honestly. 230 armor and 117 shielding is practically nothing when you still killed by everything in afew hits.

Haha, see now I actually don't want people to write this post off as just chest-beating because carlos has a point. The way carlos plays is very anti-scout. He is very good and leading scouts into the open and keeping distance between him and the attacking scout. He baits his enemies around corners, and will run from a fight to get a better position. Carlos is a skilled assault player and the best way to really deal with his tactics of baiting are to run the opposite way and try to disappear for a flanking strike.

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You give up 12 PG, 30 shields, a sidearm, and some speed, but gain 11 CPU, 45 armor, and an extra equipment slot. (Note... losing more PG than CPU gained seems wrong to me, could someone double check that stat. I feel like we may have found another stat error, that number should be about 3-4 to be balanced agains 11 CPU.)

now as far as survivability goes, I value the shields and speed more than the armor and equipment. But if you want utility, a scout can gain a huge benefit from that extra equipment slot. In my opinion, you just loose too much to not justify the gain, but I wouldn't mind having a class or two with this suit just incase you needed uplinks and nanohives, or some other combination for group support. I could see Type-II becoming the best low tier healer dropsuit. MD or AR, Nanohives, Nano Injectors, and some HP boosters would make you quite an asset to the team.

I wouldn't say it is under-powered, just bugged. If every hit that I got with the knife registered, it would have been an incredible killing weapon. Outside of unintentional hindrances, I think the knife should stay exactly how it is. Although, it probably wouldn't hurt to increase the Complex Myofibril Stimulant to a 75% bonus, so that fewer modules are needed for an OHK.

Exactly, you get far greater return from shield stacking or sprint speed or both.

I have a question about your DPS stats.

Prior to this, I had done charts for most of the weapons myself, and while most all of the data matched up, DPS seemed off to me.

Take the Ishukone Assault smg for example. You place it at 243.2 minimum. Yet I find it at 282.9? So then I tried seeing if you weren't adding in base weapons of %5 and smg op of %25 and just used the true base damage, but then I came out to 217.6.

I found other weapons to be off in dps as well. Are we just using different algorithms? Do skill multipliers work differently than I had previously thought?

Here's mine.

Base damage multiplied by any skill multipliers to find damage per hit increase.
Add to base damage.

ROF divided by 60 to find the number of rounds fired in a second.
Multiply that by the accuracy to see how many hit.
Then multiply that by the damage to see the DPS.

Example:

X~~ = number is repeating

Base skill multipliers:

Weapons 1 for %5
Smg op for %25

Total: %30 multiplier

24*.3=7.2
24+7.2=31.2

1052.6/60=17.543~~
17.543~~*.517=9.069903~~
9.069903~~*31.2=282.980984

282.9 DPS.

Other than that, awesome thread, tons of useful stats. +1

10.36 m/s fastest a scout can go. i love it, and when the reset comes i'll feel like a turtle..

alright, later today, I'm going to start discussion for how to win ambush.

Have a tank on a hill (Pokey Dravon's)
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SoCal Ninja's scout suit with shotgun

that match was horrible for me.. lol

Naming conventions for Communications

Working on making some good looking maps. This one is for designating names for sections of the map. This is one of the services I will be providing from my corp btw...

very nice +1

its going to make talking bout strategies alot easier

oh an the trench in the comm map is so pointless its a death trap usually lol just thought i point that out

was thinking of calling it death trap but didn't want it to be confused with death alley lol