shotguns fire 12 pellets

Thanks for putting this together SoCal.

Add to the errors that none of these weapons use "clips." They all appear to use magazines or are belt fed.

my scout fit:

FailFit

Using the Scout suit takes NO SKILL because of the broken shot detection & for some stupid reason high Shield regen was given to this 'default Sniper class'.

I'll give you one i use kinda often: Cause i have like 15 different scouts i use.

FIT NAME: Interceptor Type II

Advanced Scout

2 proto speed mods

advanced AR

standard pistol

1 complex shield extender
1 enhanced

I called my super armor regen scout the fail fit, but this Interceptor is awesome, sprints at 9.7 m/s

If you ever see a scout hauling ass then that's me lol

i consider myself to be a pretty good scout not the best but idk. here is my main loadout


Dropsuit: Scout v.k0
Light Weapon: None
Sidearm Weapon: Boundless Breach Submachine Gun
Grenades: Locus Grenades
Equipment Slot 1:None
Equipment Slot 2:None
High-Power Module 1:Complex Shield Extender
High-Power Module 2:Complex Shield Extender
High-Power Module 3:Complex Sidearm Damage Mod
Low-Power Module 1: Militia Armor Repair
Low-Power Module 2: Militia CPU Upgrade
Low-Power Module 3: Militia CPU Upgrade

this setup is not fully finished yet still changing things but its my fav so far

i mainly chase down the enemy with this setup an take objectives as best as i can. the really only weakness this setup has is people using proto breach ar an vehicles but other then that its a really good setup for just killin some enemys. always use lots of cover an try to close the distance between u in the enemy as fast as u can once ur in close its over for them as long as ur good a strafing back an fourth

i have a few other setups for straight dps an anti vehicles that i might post later but dont really use them rite now

Hey So_Cal, remember me from MAG? I was KatuXiK, I think we were in BYP together

Quick question, who do you play on running with for Dust?

any chance i can get the raw data for the tables ?

You guys forgot to mention the scout's biggest weakness... Running into Me.

i think i can live with the mac files...

nice to see the thread is back up


I was reading the reason to engage a heavy tactic an wanted to add some stuff. Heavys have been getting alot easier to take out with an smg, an from wat i can tell scouts are the best for taking out heavys. Usually when i see a heavy i make sure to take out any scouts or assaults first just like garrett said. Then after its just me an him i start running rite at him to close the distance quick cause once ur in close u move way faster then him an its easy to do circles around him try switching up ur rotation to confuse him.


Jumping also works good for heavys i usually try jumping over them then start circling them. An just know ur shield recharges way faster then his so if he manages to drop ur shields find cover quick but once its back attack him again fast. The main thing is to be really aggressive against a heavy if u try to keep ur distance an hide he well probably pick u off. So pretty much get in close an use ur speed an stamina to take them down. Other then that grenades or RE are the best for taking out heavys

I second that bumb SoCal.

I don't know about you, but since Dust came out I have not touched DCUO at all!

Good job on the scout suit, its looking like a great thread my friend. Keep up the good work.

Just stopping by to drop a like and say that I will continue to contribute to this guide.

I'm currently working on what I think will be the first fitting completely based around using the nova knife as a primary weapon. I should have all the necessary skills completed by the end of the upcoming weekend so that I can test it. I'll be sure to post it here immediately if it works out as planned.

On a related note, does anyone know if the knife is effected by the damage buffs from the Weaponry skill? That extra 15% damage could make a huge difference on a fully stacked knife.

EDIT: A difference of around 50 damage if my damage calculations applied the buffs correctly. About 550 HP without the 15% from Weaponry, around 600 HP with the 15%. That is using Knife Handling lv.5, 3 Complex Myofibril Stimulants (stacking penalties included), and Weaponry lv.5.

I personally love the Mass Driver. While not particularly effective in a 1v1. I find that it works well if you stay out of the direct fight and let your team mates tank/apply damage while you rip through shields and kill strafers. Also its a great ambush/guerrilla weapon I have found myself in fight where my teammates were getting out strafed by an assault/scout with little health left I fire one round from a MD and boom no more strafe scout.

Low ammo count : Nanohives help with that if you can get/ stay out of the direct fight.
Short range : MD have a rather short range being grenade launchers, so hide around corners, ambush, RUN (prolly the most important). Use the terrain to your advantage, hills, low spots, obstacles and such are your best friend.

I use the basic MD and have put no SP into skills for it and still find it very effective if used correctly.

I would love to see a squad of 2-4 people with Scout MD's. Used as a QRF (quick response force) I think
they could be very effective at taking or retaking objectives.

I will post my fit when I get a chance (I'm at work atm). Also this is an excellent thread.

I just wanted to say 'THANK YOU SoCal_Ninja!' for the awesome post. This info is a tremendous help. I hope CCP gives you some creds.

I've been running scout for about a month now, here's my build

Purpose: Low cost Anti-Material

How to play: Avoid direct confrontation with infantry. When in doubt, sprint for cover. This build is designed to get you into position as quickly as possible to deal with enemy vehicles, or quickly take objectives or installations when you catch the enemy out of position. It's all about speed, avoidance, and being a constant irritant, while maintaining an overall low ISK overhead.

Cost: 11,850 ISK

CPU/PG: 144/28 (obviously dependant on what CPU reducing skills you've trained)

Dropsuit: Type-I

Light Weapon: CBR7 Swarm Launcher

Sidearm Weapon: SK9M Breach Submachine Gun

Grenades: NONE

Equipment Slot 1: Militia Nanohive

High-Power Module 1: Basic Shield Recharger

Low-Power Module 1: Militia CPU Upgrade

Low-Power Module 2: Militia Cardiac Stimulant

I'm actually impressed by the scout abilities the more I play as one. Scouts have a huge advantage over heavies more often then not and I'm only using BPO's on my loadout -- at the moment anyway.

I wanted to ask though if anyone else was having a problem in-game with the shotgun, by which I am concerned that the game itself is not registering hits. I'm also noticing that when I fire my shotgun whether due to the auto-aim, frame rate or a combination of the two that sometimes it feels like the game shoots just to the side of where I was aiming. It's weird really.

I am impressed though with the shotgun. More surprised by the extremely low ISK prices on the market for even the proto-types. Same goes for the SMGs too.

Ah. So when I am able to slow my rate of fire that will actually help with reducing the latency? That is good to know, but CCP needs to fix the issue itself. Increasing the frame rate may actually help with this as well fixing the other issues as well.

Thanks, SoCal.

Is the Type-II scout suit worth it?

Well I have a number of passive skills I have dumped my skill points into too. Overall I'm happy with the Type-II, even if it is only marginally better then my Dragonfly armor. It has a combined thirty more points between shields and armor over Dragonfly which while meek can and has made a difference. The loss of the secondary module is of little concern to me as I am using a shotgun at the moment (or I could be a douche bag and use my proto-type AR.) As for the power grid and CPU again only marginally better then my Dragonfly, but when allocated with the loss of the secondary module I was able to equip a nonohive to this loadout, and with the shotguns more limited maximum ammo capacity can be both beneficial for myself, and my team. A win-win if you will. My shields are limited, but I managed to increase them to ninety-two, or ninety-seven (cannot remember right off the bat.) Still I am pleased with the suit. Unfortunetly I am less pleased with the statistics to the advanced variation of the scout suit. So I will be in no real hurry to spec up to proto as I'd rather pour more skill points into other passive skills.

My current load out:

Drop Suit: Scout Type-II
Ligh Weapon: Shotgun
Grenade: AV-grenade
Support Module: Nanohive
Militia Shield Extender
Militia Plate Armor
Militia Shield Repair


Could be better, but could be worse, and has proven to formidable.


Also I'm sorry I shot you in the back just a short while ago on that ambush game. You were outside the perimitter and begging to be shot. Also the lead guy on your team was a quick-scope jerkoff. Made me Brooklyn Rage!!!!

lol i'm pretty sure u got me a few times too but it was some good matches though. also i'm already in a corp but we can still group up for a full scout group whenever. oh an i dont think u saw my really fancy scout dropsuit the one that cost AUR is red an black which looks so sick i just dont use it as much. unless i really feel like doing damage cause i got more damage mods on that setup

Hello Gentlemen!

I recently finished a pretty in-depth review of LAVs in the feedback forum. If you wouldn't mind taking a look at it and dropping your two cents, it would be appreciated. The LAV is really the Scout's vehicle of choice. Do our class a favor and make sure it gets the attention that it needs from the developers!

Damn forum won't let me post the link so I leave it to you gentlemen to find it.

Stay Frosty.

-=Norbar=-

Maybe, but KILLZONE3 screwed it up, and over dramatized the whole experience. If that is the case just make it more or less like either Counter Strike or Battlefield3 then.

Edit:

I think it would be cool to do away with the knife almost and give us stock butting! Weapon flogging, and pistol whipping!

Edit+:

You know what? Screw it! I want my super beefy Power Armor and chain swords! Give me WARHAMMER40K!!!

this sounds like a bad scout build,doesn't optaminze the scouts strengths, i cant see anyone doing this honestly. 230 armor and 117 shielding is practically nothing when you still killed by everything in afew hits.

I have a question about your DPS stats.

Prior to this, I had done charts for most of the weapons myself, and while most all of the data matched up, DPS seemed off to me.

Take the Ishukone Assault smg for example. You place it at 243.2 minimum. Yet I find it at 282.9? So then I tried seeing if you weren't adding in base weapons of %5 and smg op of %25 and just used the true base damage, but then I came out to 217.6.

I found other weapons to be off in dps as well. Are we just using different algorithms? Do skill multipliers work differently than I had previously thought?

Here's mine.

Base damage multiplied by any skill multipliers to find damage per hit increase.
Add to base damage.

ROF divided by 60 to find the number of rounds fired in a second.
Multiply that by the accuracy to see how many hit.
Then multiply that by the damage to see the DPS.

Example:

X~~ = number is repeating

Base skill multipliers:

Weapons 1 for %5
Smg op for %25

Total: %30 multiplier

24*.3=7.2
24+7.2=31.2

1052.6/60=17.543~~
17.543~~*.517=9.069903~~
9.069903~~*31.2=282.980984

282.9 DPS.

Other than that, awesome thread, tons of useful stats. +1

10.36 m/s fastest a scout can go. i love it, and when the reset comes i'll feel like a turtle..

Have a tank on a hill (Pokey Dravon's)
+
SoCal Ninja's scout suit with shotgun

that match was horrible for me.. lol

very nice +1

its going to make talking bout strategies alot easier

oh an the trench in the comm map is so pointless its a death trap usually lol just thought i point that out

where is the 3 low sprint speed suit fitting post?

Went on the US server to try and find SoCal. Found him and am still picking lead shot out my scouts ass.

Credit where its due man your the only scout I have ever had a really hard time with.
Wish you wernt on the US servers cos your better than me and I need to fight you more.

I would be curious to see your skill set at this point in running your pro to suit.

I do have to say that you guys have put a crap load of work into the charts. Mind If I tap into the info for Assault and Heavy Suits?

Sha speaks very highly of you Socal, nice work. I look forward to being in the field with ya.

I pretty much run EVERY Scout fitting I create with a Stamina recovery module. It doesn't give me actual infinite stamina, but it's not far off.

And they've specifically stated that in the next build (which is next month, and according to at least one dev post this weekend, EARLY next month) there will be an 8-second delay before you can suicide, and when you're down, you'll be able to see the location of any nearby friendlies who are equipped with Nano-Injectors. Also, anyone with a Nano Injector will be given a HUD marker to show the location of downed teammates. I don't (personally) think the Nano Injector is the best option for a Scout though, since you have to choose between that and the Repair Tool. If it's one or the other, I'd prefer to KEEP someone alive rather than just reviving them when they go down, particularly when the Nano Injector has an ammo limit and the Repair Tool doesn't.

Alright. I did get some time on this evening actually. I had two horrible matches out of the three I was able to get in before getting off. However I wanted to say thank you to, Garrett Blacknova. It is true that you can actually heal yourself with the repair gun/tool. So thank you for heads up and insight. Proved very useful. I also tweeked around with another build one you all may want to try out and play around with. Not just a mockup, and one most can obtain early on with probably around four million and less skill points seeing how I have about seven and a half million skill points now (I know not many skill points considering the build right?) So anyway I hope you all enjoy this build and I garuntee it will be more useful still in the coming august build.

Personally I love the name, and acronym.

Name: Emergency Medical Scout (The E.M.S.)

Dropsuit:

Scout Type-II

Weapons:

Shotgun

Equipment:

Repair Gun/Tool

Nanite-Injectors

Modules:

Shield Extender

Armor Plates

Armor Repair

I left out the grade to the equipment. However I find even with maximized CPU (Central Processing Unit) and PG (Power Grid) output that at most you can only go so far due to the limitations of the Type-II. However you can go above the militia grade equipment as usually it means the purcahses basic equipment is just slightly better, but requires less CPU and PG then their militia grade brothers. You can also swap the plates for two of the three cardio stimuli. The "red" one will not fit unless you also ditch the armor repair unfortunetly, but of course the more skill points you invest the less CPU overall the equipment will use. This is just the earliest build you can achieve for the proper E.M.S. -- all depending of course.

Scout's are already the naturally fastest infantry units moving on the battlefield. The only thing faster is another scout pending on situations of course.

Again. Depending. Also you took a qoute and still fumbled here, SoCal. As I said pointed out even in this line -- "naturally" -- meaning that the scout is the fastests. You cannot yet increase base speed, and even if you wanted to used modules, and skills the scout will win. Let me prove this using what you said here.

It only takes one complex kinetic catalyst for the scout to out sprint an assualt with one complex kinetic catalyst attached as well.

Point is the scout is the fastest infantry unit "naturally". I even stated situations "pending" because, of the simple fact that everyone plays a little differently. You may run into someone who has more skills invested in their characters base stats, or has different modules equiped to out manuver you.

Case in point the argument here is not necessary.

Well I'm sorry if I implied in some way, or made you feel that I felt that scouts were untouchable. I know they are not. So I apologise for that confusion, but I was going by the numbers. However another thing to point out is the player variable. As for the whole specialization, or jack-of-all trades player? You prefer to be a specialized player. A lot of people tend to follow suit. However when it comes to me? I'd rather be a jack of all trades, and allow my own skill as a player to fill the gaps in between. Which allows me as a player to fill many roles as the situations arises. This is just who I am though, and it works for me; just as being a specialized player suits you. At the end of the end of the day it comes down to the player (you) to find out what works for you. Which is not a bad thing. Why? Because, it allows for a morehesive team experience when grouping. You are specialized, but the team also needs players like myself. Players whom can fill an even more niche' role then specialized players.

Take of it what you will.

I just felt the argument was uneccessary simply because, I do not like to argue. I find it pointless and only seems to cause more problems. Plus I have to constantly defend myself everyday and it wears you thin.

That sounds like it's a well-done hybrid build with an emphasis on shield tanking.

I don't see that as a negative. In fact, in the right hands, it sounds like a rather deadly setup to me.

You're saying it wouldn't work for you, and I think I'd probably struggle more than with my own builds, but that's because we have our own playstyles. Don't knock something because it's not your style.

A heavy tanking Scout would be a nasty surprise when the target expects you to be squishy, and doesn't that deception play to the Scout's strengths too?

Hey SoCal
I think the stats on some of the Drop Suits may be off...I;m pretty sure the Standard Scout Type-II PG is off.

Huh? Where has everyone been? Starting to feel lonely as scout.