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TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:01:00 - [1] - Quote I keep picking paper and I keep losing. Scissors needs a serious nerf. EDIT: So apparently we have people becoming angry that this thread is garnering attention while theirs slips into the abyss that is pages 2 - x. I'd like to simplify this message even more for ya. The origional purpose of this thread was to condense all of the "Nerf this, buff this" threads into one simple statement. Everyone wants their playstyle buffed and wants their counter nerfed. Now don't get me wrong, I'm glad people are having fun. This game is a giant rock-paper-scissors match. How often are you going to kill an Assault suit with a swarm launcher? Now how many tanks can you blow up with it? If I pick up a shotgun, will it be easier to get up close to a heavy or a scout? When I start hipfiring my SMG, am I attacking a close-up player or am I trying to take out a sniper? When I run down a tank in a dropship, am I staying high enough to keep out of the turrets tracking range, or am I staying low to the ground? Every other thread in this forum is "Nerf them, buff me". Rather than picking paper all the time, try rock. You just might beat scissors.
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:02:00 - [2] - Quote I laughed too much
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:03:00 - [3] - Quote paper needs to be nerfed. idk scissors are easy, i pick rock most the time.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:04:00 - [4] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: paper needs to be nerfed. idk scissors are easy, i pick rock most the time. Nah, rock is fine. Paper can take rock, scissors are the ones in serious need of a nerf
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:08:00 - [5] - Quote Raj: I'll tell you what, how about we go rock-paper-scissors? Sheldon: Eww, I don't think so. Anecdotal evidence suggests that in the game of rock-paper-scissors, players familiar with each other tie 75-80% of the time due to the limited number of outcomes. I suggest "rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock. It's very simple. Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, andGÇöas it always hasGÇörock crushes scissors."
Amarr Dust Bragian Order Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:46:00 - [6] - Quote This thread is going places!
Constable Jones Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:50:00 - [7] - Quote Rock is turbo broken. Paper is fine. Thanks, Scissors.
Asno Masamang Odd Shadows Inc 122	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:52:00 - [8] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Paper can take rock, scissors are the ones in serious need of a nerf No, paper needs a speed nerf. There is no reason paper should be fast enough to cover rock, especially when it is being chased by scissors. N3RF PAPER!!!.
Zach Shanna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:54:00 - [9] - Quote Devs please read this post! Its really important!
Rhapsodyy Darkstorm 25	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:59:00 - [10] - Quote Zach Shanna wrote: Devs please read this post! Its really important! This is by far one of the best threads on the forum so far.

Zach Shanna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:03:00 - [11] - Quote Rhapsodyy Darkstorm wrote: Zach Shanna wrote: Devs please read this post! Its really important! This is by far one of the best threads on the forum so far. Did you just copy what I said to get a like? WTF?
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:04:00 - [12] - Quote Zach Shanna wrote: Rhapsodyy Darkstorm wrote: Zach Shanna wrote: Devs please read this post! Its really important! This is by far one of the best threads on the forum so far. Did you just copy what I said to get a like? WTF? he gets another for being Rhapsodyy lol
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:05:00 - [13] - Quote Laser Sword! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoFRNfIk60
Asno Masamang Odd Shadows Inc 122	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:06:00 - [14] - Quote Zach Shanna wrote: Rhapsodyy Darkstorm wrote: Zach Shanna wrote: Devs please read this post! Its really important! This is by far one of the best threads on the forum so far. Did you just copy what I said to get a like? WTF?
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:06:00 - [15] - Quote http://www.umop.com/images/rps25.jpg Can't nerf the unnerfable
Zach Shanna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:06:00 - [16] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: Zach Shanna wrote: Rhapsodyy Darkstorm wrote: Zach Shanna wrote: Devs please read this post! Its really important! This is by far one of the best threads on the forum so far. Did you just copy what I said to get a like? WTF? he gets another for being Rhapsodyy lol You sir are a racist! Not sure why a racist but whatever....
Rhapsodyy Darkstorm 25	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:08:00 - [17] - Quote Zach Shanna wrote: Rhapsodyy Darkstorm wrote: Zach Shanna wrote: Devs please read this post! Its really important! This is by far one of the best threads on the forum so far. Did you just copy what I said to get a like? WTF? No i quoted it to reinforce the point of devs should be reading this thread!! But here have a like yourself. And Roly can have one aswell cos im feeling nice :)
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:11:00 - [18] - Quote Rhapsodyy Darkstorm wrote: Zach Shanna wrote: Rhapsodyy Darkstorm wrote: Zach Shanna wrote: Devs please read this post! Its really important! This is by far one of the best threads on the forum so far. Did you just copy what I said to get a like? WTF? No i quoted it to reinforce the point of devs should be reading this thread!! But here have a like yourself. And Roly can have one aswell cos im feeling nice :) forum likes over gametime yo!
Zev Caldari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 94	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:36:00 - [19] - Quote Likes for everyone! I, for one, really hate what they've done with paper this last build. I mean wtf? Seriously? Paper from last build was so much better. And scissors? OMG BALANCE PLX. BALANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:38:00 - [20] - Quote I love it when we mimic troll logic for the LOLz.

Ronin Odachi 38th Joint Tactical Command 127	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:45:00 - [21] - Quote Just yesterday I was rolling in my rock and out of nowhere paper covered me!!! In one shot!!1! Paper is way OP!!!!!1!!11!1! NERF TEH PAPERZ!
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:46:00 - [22] - Quote +2 for linking to this thread everytime for a QQ thread about nerfing or buffing.
Zach Shanna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:47:00 - [23] - Quote Ronin Odachi wrote: Just yesterday I was rolling in my rock and out of nowhere paper covered me!!! In one shot!!1! Paper is way OP!!!!!1!!11!1! NERF TEH PAPERZ! But if Scissors come along, paperz screwed because it got nerfed and can't kill scissors!!!! PAPERZ NEED MORE POWER!!!!
Thunder Zephyr BetaMax. 5	Posted - 2012.07.06 22:57:00 - [24] - Quote dude, what are you guys talking about? clearly rock needs a nerf. im sick of getting rolled by them all the time >.<
Zach Shanna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2012.07.06 23:29:00 - [25] - Quote I've got it we'll take out rock paper and scissors so that it's fair! We can all play ..., ... and ... Everybody wins!
Seeker of Cheese Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.07.07 01:07:00 - [26] - Quote Now now, you've all missed the point. It's not about the rock, paper, or scissors implementation, it's a problem with the underlying arm delivery system. Clearly nothing can be balanced until the arms are fixed.

CCP Nothin State War Academy Caldari State 93	Posted - 2012.07.07 04:16:00 - [27] - Quote Hi guys, An update on this: We found a pretty severe bug with the scissors that made them approximately 6.5x sharper than we intended. We're looking into deploying a hotfix shortly. Conversely, the rock will be getting a slight boost as we're looking to address the fact that it is, well, a rock. Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

Seeker of Cheese Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.07.07 04:27:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Nothin wrote: the rock will be getting a slight boost Seriously? You're just going to buff the rock? What good will a shinier rock do us?
Lorebot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 39	Posted - 2012.07.07 04:42:00 - [29] - Quote Seeker of Cheese wrote: CCP Nothin wrote: the rock will be getting a slight boost Seriously? You're just going to buff the rock? What good will a shinier rock do us? They said the rock will be getting a 'boost' not a 'buff'. It's possible this means they're going to start it off on higher ground so it has more inertia when it reaches the target.
Ronin Odachi 38th Joint Tactical Command 127	Posted - 2012.07.07 04:53:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Nothin wrote: Hi guys, An update on this: We found a pretty severe bug with the scissors that made them approximately 6.5x sharper than we intended. We're looking into deploying a hotfix shortly. Conversely, the rock will be getting a slight boost as we're looking to address the fact that it is, well, a rock. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. Well, I started using paper, and realized it's tank is...well...paper thin. Paper needs an armor boost, I don't think the problem is with scissors.

Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.07.07 05:26:00 - [31] - Quote This game is gonna be nothing but rocks on release day.

CCP Wolfman KEELLIK 104	Posted - 2012.07.07 05:29:00 - [32] - Quote We will also reduce the moistness level on paper by 33.7%


CCP Nothin State War Academy Caldari State 93	Posted - 2012.07.07 05:33:00 - [33] - Quote Lorebot wrote: Seeker of Cheese wrote: CCP Nothin wrote: the rock will be getting a slight boost Seriously? You're just going to buff the rock? What good will a shinier rock do us? They said the rock will be getting a 'boost' not a 'buff'. It's possible this means they're going to start it off on higher ground so it has more inertia when it reaches the target. Sorry, I should have been more specific in my reply. We are considering increasing the girth of the rock so that you might be able to hide under it. It is meant to serve as a potential counter to the fourth piece of the combat cycle, "the orbital strike".

Ronin Odachi 38th Joint Tactical Command 127	Posted - 2012.07.07 05:39:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: We will also reduce the moistness level on paper by 33.7% Well, at least it will have better resists then, even if the buffer on it is still too thin.
Seeker of Cheese Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.07.07 05:39:00 - [35] - Quote Might I suggest removing the scissors and paper after the orbital strike is implemented to keep in line with [CCP]Einstein's commentary that future battles would be fought with sticks and stones?
Lorebot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 39	Posted - 2012.07.07 06:03:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Nothin wrote: Lorebot wrote: Seeker of Cheese wrote: CCP Nothin wrote: the rock will be getting a slight boost Seriously? You're just going to buff the rock? What good will a shinier rock do us? They said the rock will be getting a 'boost' not a 'buff'. It's possible this means they're going to start it off on higher ground so it has more inertia when it reaches the target. Sorry, I should have been more specific in my reply. We are considering increasing the girth of the rock so that you might be able to hide under it. It is meant to serve as a potential counter to the fourth piece of the combat cycle, "the orbital strike". What?! Rock's gonna counter Scissors AND Orbital Strike!? OP!!!!!
Sgarr Dei Justified Chaos 0	Posted - 2012.07.07 06:33:00 - [37] - Quote My main on EVE would enjoy this thread. and I quote my own bio: 'Rock is overpowered, paper is fine' -Scissors It would seem that scissors are not overpowered. I will say that paper does seem a bit weak, but with the 'boost' that rock is going to get, I'd say it's too much as it is.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.07.07 06:56:00 - [38] - Quote Hard counters are rather lame.
Renzo Kuken Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 369	Posted - 2012.07.07 06:59:00 - [39] - Quote i pick Spock and i win every time
Velvet Overkill 104	Posted - 2012.07.07 07:02:00 - [40] - Quote Where does shoe come in to play? Have you guys forgotten about balancing shoe so that it can't withstand as much force from rock, withstand as much cuts from scissor and crumple paper to the extent of ripping? *EDIT* Solutions: Increase size of rock so that it can more easily crush shoe. Increase size of scissors so that it can more easily cut shoe. Increase size of paper to increase its chances of covering shoe.

Tanis Jumes Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2012.07.07 07:06:00 - [41] - Quote I always fail to see how paper can beat a frikin ROCK! Wont the paper just blow away? Why not replace paper with dynamite. Dynamite beats rock and scissors can cut the fuse. See, situation solved.
Velvet Overkill 104	Posted - 2012.07.07 07:08:00 - [42] - Quote Tanis Jumes wrote: I always fail to see how paper can beat a frikin ROCK! Wont the paper just blow away? Why not replace paper with dynamite. Dynamite beats rock and scissors can cut the fuse. See, situation solved. I support this idea; it also would stop shoe.
Nick Phantom Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 91	Posted - 2012.07.07 07:15:00 - [43] - Quote Pull my finger..... Spock and lizard will die instantly leading to Paper hiding under rock. scissors digging a hole and climbing in it and rock jumping in the lake taking paper with it..... So what actually needs a nerf? The solution launch an Orbital strike before I do....
Velvet Overkill 104	Posted - 2012.07.07 08:05:00 - [44] - Quote Nick Phantom wrote: Pull my finger..... Spock and lizard will die instantly leading to Paper hiding under rock. scissors digging a hole and climbing in it and rock jumping in the lake taking paper with it..... So what actually needs a nerf? The solution launch an Orbital strike before I do.... Have you forgoten what CCP Nothin said? CCP Nothin wrote: We are considering increasing the girth of the rock so that you might be able to hide under it. It is meant to serve as a potential counter to the fourth piece of the combat cycle, "the orbital strike". People will start spamming rocks.
Bzeer MG GROUP 41	Posted - 2012.07.07 08:15:00 - [45] - Quote guys, guys everything will be just fine once they add Lizard, and Spock, you'll see.
Thanatoe Hesiod BetaMax. 0	Posted - 2012.07.07 09:44:00 - [46] - Quote Why must these threads always start getting off topic. We all know scissors is OP. DEVS NEED TO NERF THEM. It must be done now or I will rage quit/threaten to leave for another game/ ultimately sulk and come slinking back and hope no one noticed, then change my opinion 2 months down the line when I get crushed by rock after saving for my shiney new hairdresser scissors.
Lorebot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 39	Posted - 2012.07.07 09:46:00 - [47] - Quote http://www.kreativekorp.com/miscpages/rps/ is the only possible means of balance!
Kelthon Bane Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.07.07 09:55:00 - [48] - Quote Finn Kempers wrote: Raj: I'll tell you what, how about we go rock-paper-scissors? Sheldon: Eww, I don't think so. Anecdotal evidence suggests that in the game of rock-paper-scissors, players familiar with each other tie 75-80% of the time due to the limited number of outcomes. I suggest "rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock. It's very simple. Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, andGÇöas it always hasGÇörock crushes scissors." OMG a viable solution was presented and u all still cry about nerfs n buffs please could u all just adapt or die .... Nubs! gawd!
Zerlathon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 213	Posted - 2012.07.07 10:16:00 - [49] - Quote Love this thread! I gave a special +1 to the BBT references (and of course 1 for the OP for starting it).
Relyt R Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2012.07.07 10:22:00 - [50] - Quote interestingly enough, this kinda fits if scouts=paper, assaults=scissors, and heavies=rock

SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.07.07 11:23:00 - [51] - Quote Relyt R wrote: interestingly enough, this kinda fits if scouts=paper, assaults=scissors, and heavies=rock Scout/Pilot= Paper, Assault/Command=Scissors, Heavy/Logi=Rock Just thought I would fit the rest in. It will be nice having two different versions of rock paper and scissors. Hmm, then there are vehicles, and orbital strikes... LASER SWORD! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoFRNfIk60
Amanososei Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team 3	Posted - 2012.07.07 13:02:00 - [52] - Quote THS IS TTL BS!!1!!1!!1 IF SIZRZ GT NRFD I QUIT DIS GAEM I SWR 2 GAWD11!!!1!!!!!!11!1one!11eleven!11!!!!! ( ;P )
Rageno Rekwa Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.07.07 15:08:00 - [53] - Quote It doesn't matter what gets nerfed if people keep spawn camping the count! We play on '3', people! Not '1-2-3-GO' like some COD noob! Use your coms!
uruz7 fish FDF Industries Hedonistic Imperative 108	Posted - 2012.07.07 15:10:00 - [54] - Quote this game sucks!! the movement of rocks isn't smooth! and i can't run with scissors! paper gives me little cuts! you should make this game more like tag, cuz you know, the you're it was awesome in tag, none of this nancyboy rock crap. this game could be totally tag 2 with you're its. and if you don't put them in, people are going to have a mass exodus from this game when hide and seek 2 comes out!!
Rageno Rekwa Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.07.07 15:29:00 - [55] - Quote I didn't want to bring up H&S2, because I'm really looking forward to that game, but he's right, those of us who have jobs and don't have time to practice throwing scissor ALL DAY are just going to find a closet or nice wardrobe to hide in instead.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.07 16:09:00 - [56] - Quote This thread had better go public once the game releases. Its very important that the wider player base understands the kinds of tough balancing decisions that went into making this the awesome game it will be.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.07 16:53:00 - [57] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: This thread had better go public once the game releases. Its very important that the wider player base understands the kinds of tough balancing decisions that went into making this the awesome game it will be. I second that!
RoBoJerk 41	Posted - 2012.07.07 17:09:00 - [58] - Quote Guys, relax. This is a BETA. These issues will all be fixed upon release with the decreased SP gain and the addition of magic wands.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.07.07 17:46:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Nothin wrote: Hi guys, An update on this: We found a pretty severe bug with the scissors that made them approximately 6.5x sharper than we intended. We're looking into deploying a hotfix shortly. Conversely, the rock will be getting a slight boost as we're looking to address the fact that it is, well, a rock. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. The rock is somewhat buggy, it needs a bit of a polish.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.07 18:01:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Nothin wrote: Lorebot wrote: Seeker of Cheese wrote: CCP Nothin wrote: the rock will be getting a slight boost Seriously? You're just going to buff the rock? What good will a shinier rock do us? They said the rock will be getting a 'boost' not a 'buff'. It's possible this means they're going to start it off on higher ground so it has more inertia when it reaches the target. Sorry, I should have been more specific in my reply. We are considering increasing the girth of the rock so that you might be able to hide under it. It is meant to serve as a potential counter to the fourth piece of the combat cycle, "the orbital strike". Can i get a Gallente variant of my rock? the current one is rust covered and made of cardboard. I just want something cosmetic added with it. it's not SHINY ENOUGH YET!!!

Vex Mulgren Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.07.07 18:37:00 - [61] - Quote Regular scissors are fine, but those cash shop scissors? Nobody can beat those!
Mordu's Spy Doomheim 40	Posted - 2012.07.07 18:50:00 - [62] - Quote I'm all about that AMARR LAZOR SCISSORS!!
Seeker of Cheese Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.07.07 19:39:00 - [63] - Quote uruz7 fish wrote: this game sucks!! the movement of rocks isn't smooth! and i can't run with scissors! paper gives me little cuts! you should make this game more like tag, cuz you know, the you're it was awesome in tag, none of this nancyboy rock crap. this game could be totally tag 2 with you're its. and if you don't put them in, people are going to have a mass exodus from this game when hide and seek 2 comes out!! Oh great, another tag-tard
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.07 19:41:00 - [64] - Quote Seeker of Cheese wrote: uruz7 fish wrote: this game sucks!! the movement of rocks isn't smooth! and i can't run with scissors! paper gives me little cuts! you should make this game more like tag, cuz you know, the you're it was awesome in tag, none of this nancyboy rock crap. this game could be totally tag 2 with you're its. and if you don't put them in, people are going to have a mass exodus from this game when hide and seek 2 comes out!! Oh great, another tag-tard
Sandromin Hes Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 204	Posted - 2012.07.07 21:59:00 - [65] - Quote We're all obviously missing the problem. Everything needs to have a basic version AND a buffed version (except for the rock, which will have just the basic version and then the extreme boulder version). We can avoid all unnecessary nerfing! You will have your basic rusty old militia scissors, along with sharpened nova-scissors as the buffed counterpart. The militia scissors beat militia paper, but not the enhanced proto-carbon paper (unless exposed for prolonged periods of time). The nova scissors beat militia paper, slices through basic rock, and proto-carbon paper but is beaten by the obviously larger boulder. The basic rock beats militia scissors but is beaten by both paper variants and the nova scissors. The boulder beats basic paper and both scissors, but is beaten by large reams of proto-carbon paper. Finally, militia paper beats rock and is beaten by nova scissors and militia scissors, along with mega-boulder. Proto-carbon paper then beats rock, militia scissors, and extreme rock. If you feel anything is overpowered, you can opt for one of two options: -An orbital strike, which only extreme boulders can survive. -Aperture science approved Cave Johnson combustible lemon grenades which destroy everything. +1 Deadpool. that is all.
Zat Earthshatter Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 304	Posted - 2012.07.07 22:08:00 - [66] - Quote After much experience, I have to say that the balancing must've looked good on paper... Until scissors cut the paper, and we wound up with TWO sheets! clearly, it's Paper that is OP, because it multiplies! My current fix is to use scissors to cut it into a string of dolls instead, those are mostly harmless. However, I would like a patch soon.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.07.07 22:55:00 - [67] - Quote Ok, Doesn't anyone else see the huge problem with this thread? Am I the only one that can see this? Shambo players actually know how this game is played. You all keep talking about rock as if that is going to change everything. All you Rosham players ever do is say "but it's a Beta", they will implement rock but you must be really gullible if you think that would change anything. Also, we only ever play with paper and scissors. And I have been in a lot of beta's before and they always have everything in them, and they always only ever have paper and scissors. So if you are going to balance the game, paper and scissors need to changed so that any player of equal skill using either paper or scissors has an equal chance of winning. Or you have to remove paper completely and only have scissors. And make the scissors cut better. But if you keep the paper you have to make the paper cut better. Adapt or die? Well, this is a console game, and no one is going to play Roshambo, whatever that is, like they would on the pc. It has to many syllables. Also no one is going to stick with a console game that is just a bunch of people running around kicking each other in the nuts. TL;DR I'm probably way too late, ah well
Deus Risus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2012.07.07 22:57:00 - [68] - Quote Don't even get me started on this. The other day I was cruising' around with my scissors, and I found rock. I must've hit him fourteen times, and he didn't even lose half his shields! Then he goes around and one-shots me. I want a refund....
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.07.07 23:17:00 - [69] - Quote In MAG rocks beat paper and I'm beside myself in rage that EVE doesn't have it this way. Clearly you have no game.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.07.07 23:54:00 - [70] - Quote Rhadiem wrote: In MAG rocks beat paper and I'm beside myself in rage that EVE doesn't have it this way. Clearly you have no game. -Well, in this game Spock always beats rock. no matter what. Without fail. Spock is the most OP in the whole game and needs to be balanced. -Well, it will cost you 500,000 isk to use Spock to beat rock. And you will only ever earn 2,000 isk beating rock. You literally will not be able to afford to use Spock against rock. -Spock is OP. Spock always beats rock. The game needs to be balanced. -Ok, let me try again. The game is balanced. Even though Spock beats rock, you literally will not be able to afford to just use Spock to beat rock. You are much better off using paper. In this game paper beats rock. -Spock always beats rock, it is so unfair. -There just won't be a situation where you would go around using Spock to beat rock. I will say this one more time. You literally can't afford to do that. -Game needs balance.

Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 360	Posted - 2012.07.08 09:07:00 - [71] - Quote you bring Spock, I bring paper, I beat both rock and Spock. of course Nova will bring Glass the Planet, and we all lose.
zekina zek D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 108	Posted - 2012.07.08 09:14:00 - [72] - Quote CCP Nothin wrote: Hi guys, An update on this: We found a pretty severe bug with the scissors that made them approximately 6.5x sharper than we intended. We're looking into deploying a hotfix shortly. Conversely, the rock will be getting a slight boost as we're looking to address the fact that it is, well, a rock. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. did you deploy the hotfix yet? can you please add more damage to swarm launchers. they dont do enough damage to my dropship anymore its not fun...
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.07.08 09:45:00 - [73] - Quote zekina zek wrote: CCP Nothin wrote: Hi guys, An update on this: We found a pretty severe bug with the scissors that made them approximately 6.5x sharper than we intended. We're looking into deploying a hotfix shortly. Conversely, the rock will be getting a slight boost as we're looking to address the fact that it is, well, a rock. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. did you deploy the hotfix yet? can you please add more damage to swarm launchers. they dont do enough damage to my dropship anymore its not fun... C-C-C-Combo Breaker!!!!!
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 18:00:00 - [74] - Quote CCP Dev. answered to this. So jokes are worth of consideration but useful feedbacks like "Disable Aim Assist" aren't worth replying to.
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.08 18:02:00 - [75] - Quote CCP Nothin wrote: Hi guys, An update on this: We found a pretty severe bug with the scissors that made them approximately 6.5x sharper than we intended. We're looking into deploying a hotfix shortly. Conversely, the rock will be getting a slight boost as we're looking to address the fact that it is, well, a rock. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. Why Dont you remove this useless thread instead of supporting it
Ronin Odachi 38th Joint Tactical Command 127	Posted - 2012.07.08 18:19:00 - [76] - Quote Templar Two wrote: CCP Dev. answered to this. So jokes are worth of consideration but useful feedbacks like "Disable Aim Assist" aren't worth replying to. If you really think we haven't heard about aim assist from the devs, you need to do a little more digging around here. Aim assist is bugged, they're fixing it. Also, the new buff to paper really has increased its usability.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 18:29:00 - [77] - Quote Ronin Odachi wrote: If you really think we haven't heard about aim assist from the devs, you need to do a little more digging around here. Aim assist is bugged, they're fixing it. Also, the new buff to paper really has increased its usability. So they want to fix it while we are asking for it to be optional.
Hawk Von Draum Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2012.07.08 18:54:00 - [78] - Quote Templar Two wrote: CCP Dev. answered to this. So jokes are worth of consideration but useful feedbacks like "Disable Aim Assist" aren't worth replying to. get a life and enjoy yourself a little
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.07.08 19:15:00 - [79] - Quote Templar Two wrote: CCP Dev. answered to this. So jokes are worth of consideration but useful feedbacks like "Disable Aim Assist" aren't worth replying to. Devs are people too! Even if they do keep them in tiny cages
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2012.07.08 20:11:00 - [80] - Quote gangsta nachos wrote: CCP Nothin wrote: Hi guys, An update on this: We found a pretty severe bug with the scissors that made them approximately 6.5x sharper than we intended. We're looking into deploying a hotfix shortly. Conversely, the rock will be getting a slight boost as we're looking to address the fact that it is, well, a rock. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. Why Dont you remove this useless thread instead of supporting it Beleive it or not, I didn't really start this thread intending on it going this way, although I'm glad people are appreciating a bit of a break from forum trolling. The origional purpose was to condense all of the "Nerf this, buff this" threads into one simple statement. Everyone wants their playstyle buffed and wants their counter nerfed. This game is a giant rock-paper-scissors match. How often are you going to kill an Assault suit with a swarm launcher? Now how many tanks can you blow up with it? If I pick up a shotgun, will it be easier to get up close to a heavy or a scout? When I start hipfiring my SMG, am I attacking a close-up player or am I trying to take out a sniper? When I run down a tank in a dropship, am I staying high enough to keep out of the turrets tracking range, or am I staying low to the ground? Every other thread in this forum is "Nerf them, buff me". Rather than picking paper all the time, try rock. You just might beat scissors.

Darth Tyrannnus Citadel Mercantile Exchange Amarr-Caldari Mercantile Exchange 26	Posted - 2012.07.08 20:34:00 - [81] - Quote i vote this best tyhread of all time! also, what ever happened to nuke? nuke beats paer and scisors, rock covers nuke keeping it from going off and nuke only usable after getting fifty paper kills.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2012.07.09 01:37:00 - [82] - Quote Bumpin' because I can.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.09 01:42:00 - [83] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Bumpin' because I can. quoting cause i can
Zach Shanna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2012.07.09 01:45:00 - [84] - Quote This thread can survive a nuclear holocaust.... AND ITS A SPOOF! WTF! Im not against it in anyway, just amazed
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.09 01:50:00 - [85] - Quote Zach Shanna wrote: This thread can survive a nuclear holocaust.... AND ITS A SPOOF! WTF! Im not against it in anyway, just amazed Fun with the community
John Surratt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2012.07.09 02:28:00 - [86] - Quote What are you talking about? Every one knows the rock spam in the last build was horribad.
Corvus Ravensong Skyel Industries Subspace Exploration Agency 179	Posted - 2012.07.09 02:38:00 - [87] - Quote Thank you - all of you. Possibly the funnest read I have seen on an active beta forum. And to the 2 folks in here to whine over a dev poking his head in - think of how much time it takes to toss out a quick joke or 2 compared to fixing a bug. This thread obviously required them to send the Dev with a sense of humor, where a lot of other threads require a bit more coding to resolve than this one. PS - The Tech 2 paper with the orbital strike guidance package is gonna WTFBBQPWN all of your silly scissors before teabaging everyone dumb enough to play rock.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.07.09 14:21:00 - [88] - Quote Tottaly agree with this thread
Vaas Edi SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 10	Posted - 2012.07.09 15:56:00 - [89] - Quote Awesome thread is awesome.
Hawk Von Draum Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2012.07.09 16:10:00 - [90] - Quote Random Bump beats scissors

RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.09 16:14:00 - [91] - Quote Hawk Von Draum wrote: Random Bump beats scissors Doesn't Random Bump beat all by feeding trolls ?
Zach Shanna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2012.07.09 16:17:00 - [92] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: Hawk Von Draum wrote: Random Bump beats scissors Doesn't Random Bump beat all by feeding trolls ? Nope because Spock beats trolls, and paper beats spock and the cycle continues....
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.09 16:19:00 - [93] - Quote Zach Shanna wrote: RolyatDerTeufel wrote: Hawk Von Draum wrote: Random Bump beats scissors Doesn't Random Bump beat all by feeding trolls ? Nope because Spock beats trolls, and paper beats spock and the cycle continues.... head go BOOM but sounds good to me
Zach Shanna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2012.07.09 16:25:00 - [94] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: Zach Shanna wrote: RolyatDerTeufel wrote: Hawk Von Draum wrote: Random Bump beats scissors Doesn't Random Bump beat all by feeding trolls ? Nope because Spock beats trolls, and paper beats spock and the cycle continues.... head go BOOM but sounds good to me Actually there is one ultimate weapon.... Dubstep But nobody knows how to make the sign so it cant be used but it is rumored that it blows up the head of anything in sight.....
Smoker Extreme Alliance Of Giants 42	Posted - 2012.07.09 16:31:00 - [95] - Quote Wtf are u all talkin about? Rock paper scissors? Havent played in 2 days what the hell is goin on?
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2012.07.09 18:39:00 - [96] - Quote Smoker Extreme wrote: Wtf are u all talkin about? Rock paper scissors? Havent played in 2 days what the hell is goin on? Science. Science is happening.
Damien860 0	Posted - 2012.07.09 19:39:00 - [97] - Quote Quote: Science. Science is happening. What the hell does that mean?! Rock paper scissors???! What?? Lmao
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.09 19:40:00 - [98] - Quote saying "this thread is still alive!" cuz I can herp derp
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2012.07.10 03:29:00 - [99] - Quote Damien860 wrote: Quote: Science. Science is happening. What the hell does that mean?! Rock paper scissors???! What?? Lmao The geology of rock, the mechanics of scissors, and the ancient handed-down techniques of paper. Those sciences. And magic. Lots of magic. Pulls a card out from behind your ear
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.07.10 04:21:00 - [100] - Quote Lately paper has been exploiting a mechanic where it can fold into a paper plane and fly to the top of shelfs, and from there throw down rocks at helpless scissors. This needs fixing!

TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2012.07.10 05:55:00 - [101] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Lately paper has been exploiting a mechanic where it can fold into a paper plane and fly to the top of shelfs, and from there throw down rocks at helpless scissors. This needs fixing! I too have been noticing this. Paper is fine however. This thread is about nerfing Scissors, since scissors always beats paper for some odd reason.
Drake-696 Doomheim 53	Posted - 2012.07.10 12:18:00 - [102] - Quote Templar Two wrote: CCP Dev. answered to this. So jokes are worth of consideration but useful feedbacks like "Disable Aim Assist" aren't worth replying to. Devs do reply and have replied to feedback when they can confirm something. If a suggestion is made an individual dev can't decide on his or her lonesome to give you anything meaningful in reply unless it has already been discussed and decided on by the team at large. Why would a dev pop in and say that sounds like a great idea only to be supportive of a feature that perhaps can't or won't go in because it's not as simple as yes, we'll do that, it has to be discussed and considered by more than one dev? And simply posting in every suggestion thread that they are aware of the request and considering it seems kind of silly to expect. The significance of the dev response is in effect evidence of how tiring EVERYONE asking for EVERYTHING to be nerfed can be and I believe appreciation from some of the devs that some of us actually empathize with that aspect of development. Basically, if it isn't already apparent you're reading way too much into things. The devs are reading, are replying, just not to everything. There's a lot of internal processes that have to take place before official responses can happen. And . . . rock is broken now. Fix it. It was fine the way it was.
Torkada Alamstrada Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 184	Posted - 2012.07.10 13:16:00 - [103] - Quote I prefer classic rock, at least then I was grateful to be dead.v
Aq'sa L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 44	Posted - 2012.07.10 13:45:00 - [104] - Quote Showdown
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.07.10 14:37:00 - [105] - Quote Nerf nerf. Nerf can still hurt a little if thrown of swung with enough force. And if the developers allow that to happen I just don't see the vast majority of people sticking with nerf.
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2012.07.11 13:40:00 - [106] - Quote People really seem to like me quoting Big Bang theory and bringing Spock into this thread from first page
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2012.07.11 19:03:00 - [107] - Quote Finn Kempers wrote: People really seem to like me quoting Big Bang theory and bringing Spock into this thread from first page They just kinda go hand-in-hand with each other
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.07.12 02:54:00 - [108] - Quote I've found some in-game footage illustrating how the new changes proposed in this thread have affected gameplay since the proposed changes went live in the last hotfix.
EVICER 63	Posted - 2012.07.12 03:30:00 - [109] - Quote Greatness.......

CCP Frame Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 351	Posted - 2012.07.12 03:32:00 - [110] - Quote Alright, let's get back to the actual feedback! :) Scissors will be taken care of. Locking.




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