1.Scouts are supposed to be supplimentary,not main line. Low eHP means used only when an assault or logi can't get behind enemies.
Exactly like heavies,which is why they're so slow.
Scouts come 2nd behind assaults AND logis in importance.
2.No,the main thing that lead to the "overbalance" (OP) scouts was that they had enough innate dampening/eWAR built-in that they could stack eHP and break hit detection.Stealth and health,one had to go.


Currently,as scouts are,they're balanced.
They're now forced to use ewar mods instead of straight eHP like some light assault enthusiasts would like to bring back.

So,as usual: -1 for an idea that would bring back light assaults.

Lol every time I here someone go "kincats break hit detection" I know that they're really saying is "I can't keep track of a moving target because I have no gungame" first off I've killed plenty and have been killed by plenty of scouts.

And here's the thing. They don't move fast enough to break hit detection at all. My internet is good and I can easily compensate for the rare lagspikes because dust is a laggy game and sometimes hitboxes aren't aligned with the player models.

I've speedtanked before and serpentined very well and I still get hit.
Because those people had aim. I've never seen shots come at me and hit me and not have my health decrease,every time I was shot I lost health.

For the people that whine about kincats think about it.

A:you have to stop to regain stamina
B: lowslots dedicated to speed instead of armour
C:cannot attack while sprinting.

In response to some of the above people.
A:scouts in dictionary terms:someone sent ahead of the main force to gauge the enemy force.
B:the term for scout in dust means that they are meant for stealth and assassination(as described by the description)
C:scouts have weapons,and I doubt someone will let them get away if spotted,therefore a scout needs to kill just like all the other suits. Even logistics get weapons.

There already is a balance between health,speed and ewar,you can only have two of the three but ewar is broken for the amarr and min scouts and all suits vs a gal logi so people just go for HP and speed unless they run gal scout.

Problem is the creodron flux active scanner and gallente logistics destroys any stealth the scouts may have. So unless the precision on the flux active scanner is nerfed or all scouts get a bonus to scan profile then the never ending cycle will just continue.

Problem is the creodron flux active scanner and gallente logistics destroys any stealth the scouts may have. So unless the precision on the flux active scanner is nerfed or all scouts get a bonus to scan profile then the never ending cycle will just continue.

But all scouts get under the creodron flux with 1 damp (Gal, Cal) or 2 damps (min, amarr)... Am I missing something? It would make more sense if you were complaining from a non-scout suit's perspective.

I'll take that bait!

Say I'm a MinScout who has chosen to be "stealthy". I've committed all 3 of my 3 three low slots to complex dampeners. My scan profile is 16dB. What happens when I get within knife range of an Assault or Logi who's committed 1 high slot to precision? These units have the highest module slot count in the game; is it reasonable that their single-module investment trumps my 100% investment in stealth? I've forgone speed and tank to be stealthy; why is it that my stealth is so easily trumped at so little investment?

But all scouts get under the creodron flux with 1 damp (Gal, Cal) or 2 damps (min, amarr)... Am I missing something? It would make more sense if you were complaining from a non-scout suit's perspective.

1. Aren't you only completely trumped at what.. 6 meters? 2. You're almost overlapping blips on tacnet, it's somewhat fair game at that point - if he happens to be looking at tacnet at that point, you both have a chance to kill each other, knifer with the upper hand most likely, You have your cloak to stalk and strike at an opportune moment when he is preoccupied to.

Because the minscout has 3 low slots,and the amarr has four. Two or more damps to evade one piece of equipment is far too much.
But gimping the sh!t out of your suit to evade one shmuck with a scanner isn't fair.

Because you must fully invest skill points in dampening(and equip multiple damps) and a scout suit and this costs quite a bit,all someone else needs do is grab a gal logi and a scanner and all your investments are instantly negated. I did not just spend a small fortune to have a scout suit that can be picked up very easy and through walls I might add.

Tldr: answer this question. Why can that gal logi have so much health and is able to permanantly keep my team on his teams HUD yet I must fit multiple profile dampeners sacrificing speed yet still be picked up and easily killed?

Tldr: answer this question. Why can that gal logi have so much health and is able to permanantly keep my team on his teams HUD yet I must fit multiple profile dampeners sacrificing speed yet still be picked up and easily killed?

1 damp on a gal or cal scout is not gimping the suit, they both maintain a great combination of speed, hp, and ewar. The min and amarr require 2 damps to get under the gal logi perma scans because their bonuses are not stealth orientated however, they both have more base speed (MN) and hp (AM) , compared to the gal and cal scout, so they somewhat keep what they would lose by sacrificing that 2nd slot for a damp. But as I said in a previous post - you'd want to prioritize the gal or cal scout when you want effective stealth suits.

I don't know how people took this thread seriously in the first place, that's the sad part. I thought you were QQ trolling.

I don't know how people took this thread seriously in the first place, that's the sad part. I thought you were QQ trolling.

I agree that scouts need some reworking, and scans need a nerf

It's not 2 or more damps, it's 1 or 2 damps to get under the creo permascans. And 1 or 2 damps is certainly not gimping your suit. The gal and cal scout manage roughly 400 - 450 hp at 9 -10ms/s at 20db. If u want stealth as a priority chose 1 of those suits. Even a double damped double shields amarr scout as a pseudo gal scout will do.

You don't play? Take your opinion and tuck it tightly into the smallest crevice of your arse.

I think the Gal logi bonus to precision should be nerfed slightly from 5% per level to 3% that way it should mean that 2 damps should get all scouts under the scans or 1 damp and a proto cloak.

As for the whole inner ring argument, no it shouldn't be as good as it is but it only has a 6m radius. You can literally hide anywhere outside that radius and most things will never see you, and as scouts are so fast you could get to them and kill them before you appear on their TacNet. I would suggest lowering the inner ring to maybe 4-5m or buffing the range slightly at the cost of precision.

The cloak needs a minor buff. I suggest a shorter decloak delay. It's annoyingly long. I agree we need it, but not as long as we have it.

All scouts need the damp bonus, not just Gal and Cal. Without it the Am and Min scouts will always be inferior. Bonuses can be re-jigged to make this work.

Focussed scanners need a range nerf. Rattati dropped the range nerf in favour of squad only sharing. But this is no longer a drawback as the whole team is in one squad. The extra drawback should be swapped back to reduced range.

Profile dampeners maybe should be high slot modules. Scouts need speed and stealth. Having both these modules on low slots hurts balance. This is a big reason why Cal scouts aren't as useful.

These are a few small changes that would help scouts keep up with the competition and improve racial balance.

Jesus Christ people, do NONE of you remember the period of time when Gal Scouts Dampning was OP? Why do some of you want to go back to those days? The scanner is not the biggest issue it's dampnings strength. Anytime CCP messes with this it screws everything else up.

I say scanners are fine as is, leave dampners and scanning as is. It can and will get worse if altered.

You know if CCP starts messing with this again they WILL break something. I sometimes wonder if they do this intentionally.

You people want 100% scan immunity, and it's not happening, just accept it. That is too powerful, 100% scan proof fits should NOT exist. Doesn't matter if a scout has only 10 HP, scan immunity in good hands is the most dangerous thing in DUST, and you all know that.

This thread is reminding of the tank/AV threads, the debate never ends...... (Take out fuel injectors out of the game and watch tank use plummet)

I had to double take at this. Wtf is this. Are you actually suggesting stacking HP on a suit designed for speed and stealth?

Three complex sheild extenders nets a min scout roughly 300+ sheild HP.
Two complex sheild extenders nets a am scout 212 sheild HP(personal experience.)

But I'm just asking,no offense,but do you have a serious mental deformity or something?
Did you not account for the current meta of play?

Jumpy mass drivers,gal assaults with breach assault rifles,assualt hmgs?

Do you understand what damage profiles and damage mods and the rest of those modifiers mean?

Do you realize that I pack an assault rifle all the time that gets my warbarge damage bonus,my level four proficiency bonus,my equipped damage mod bonus,AND the bonus vs sheilds?

Do you realize that the fast time to kill that almsot all of dust weapons have? What does that meager little sheild of yours have to stand against the power of our weapons?

Did you properly figure in the fact that the min scout has 80 armour that's almost nonexsistant?

Considering I've run scouts and logis for my whole time as a merc,I can tell you what its like.
What's it like to have such low ehp that if a heavy so much as even farts at me I die? If a flux grenade so much as dinks my Helmtet I die?

Or the rather disturbing fact that most gal logis that are permascanning tend to have a squad all with mics and shared passive and active scans?

And that logis themselves carry weapons? Or have better innate passive scans than assaults?

The result would be to even the dampening for each scout,

so 1 damp = hard to scan, 2 damps = invisible..

The problem doing this is players like Saxonmish/Rafa/LHughes may decide to go back to slayer Scouts
*sigh* CCP can balance the suits, but they have no control over the scrubs

The other thing that bothers me is how this threads proclamations that one can duck permascan by running two dampners, which is flawed for two reasons: 1) it assumes every one does, can, and will run proto, and 2) it assumes level 5 in all skills.

You have all said it yourself multiple times "if you are going in for a frontal assault you are doing it wrong" well guess what permascan FORCES us to do?.

It turns everything into a frontal assault. So, essentially where we are at to duck permascan is use all to half of the low slots which could be contributing to our mobility in order to be able to fulfil our role.

I challenge you to point to another class who requires a third of their modules to be used in a certain way (assuming, of course you are sufficiently skilled, and wealthy enough to run them at proto levels, and not compromise your fitting).