Honestly I don't see any problem with 24/7 scans, as the other team has the option of also doing this. The problem to me is scouts dampning. I'm not seeing how CCP can balance this properly without messing something else up. I remember when scouts were OP, completely unscannable. I don't want to go back to those days. I'd rather have everyone on both sides lit up like Christmas, than a few players 100% scan proof.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, 100% scan resistance is too powerful, it should not exist. If the inner ring is all we have of preventing that, then so be it.

... due the incredibly severe nerfs to scanners.

What nerfs? When they fixed 360 spinscanning?

Other than that -- which happened a long time ago -- the only other change to active scanners that I recall is the buff from squad-share to team-share.

I haven't checked the patch notes...

I haven't checked the patch notes, but if I recall, the cooldown times of the Active Scanners prenerf were nowhere near as long as they are now.

If you haven't tried the ps4 controller it's pretty good

The only suit that can scan viably is the gallente logi. Being able to scan the gallente scout requires #1 being a gallente logi, #2 Being at proto level and #3 using a very expensive scanner (also proto level). Because it is only one suit and it is very expensive there really isn't a big problem. A problem would be if a lot of suits could do the same. Also, using the logi also means you are weaker and easier to kill.

Every suit has to have a counter.

You can either be speedy, tanky, or stealthy. You don't get to have it all.

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You have this COMPLETELY backwards...

Inner circle ring precisions can get into the single digits, where as the lowest any Active Scanner can get is 15 dB.

Gal scouts are the only Scout that can beat it WITHOUT an active Pro Cloak.

All other Scouts are able to beat 15 dB with an active Pro Cloak. Min and Amarr need 3 Complex Dampeners to get to 16 dB, and since the Pro Cloak has a 10% dampening effect (-1.6 difference, which rounds to 2 dB. 16 dB - 2 dB = 14 dB). Since Cal Scouts only have 2 Low Slots, they get the Profile reduction bonus so that they are able to get to 16 dB with just 2 Complex Dampeners, and then the same math above applies.

This was the whole intention of EWAR pre rings. That ALL scouts should be able to beat scans, provided they make the sacrifice.

At the time, 18 dB was the lowest passive scans available, and all Scouts were designed to beat them without an active Pro Cloak, because of Shared Passives and always on Passive Scans.

The rings, however, are a whole different story.

The lowest a Gal Scout can get is 12 dB. That is with 4 Complex Dampeners, bringing them to 13 dB, and an active Pro Cloak lowering their profile 1 dB.

Let's look at the highest Precision numbers to get an idea. A Heavy suit, with max Precision and no Precision mods has an Inner Ring Scan of 25 dB. With 4 Complex Precision mods, they can get down to 12 dB, which ties the lowest Gal Profile, which means they can be picked up on the Heavy's Inner Ring, with enough sacrifice, even while Max Damped and Cloaked.

Medium Frames only need 2 Complex Precision mods to get all but a Cloaked, Max Damped Gal Scout, while adding a 3rd can even pick them up on Inner Ring Scans.

Again, this was the whole intended design of the circles. That they could not be beaten.

All EWAR numbers can be found here, which is compiled and current, and can always be found on the 1st post in the Barbershop, found in the Locker Room.

How do you come to the conclusion the sentinel's inner circle is 25dB?
According to this the inner circle is 90% i.e. 45dB - 10% =41.5dB and the outer circle is 110% i.e. 45dB +10% = 49.5dB.
Have things changed since the circles were introduced?

Appreciate your reply do you have a source for this data, looks like my spreadsheet needs updating.

Then why don't scout suits get a bonus to profile as their bonus?

The 15% to cloak fitting should belong to the cloak fitting skill(makes it available to other suits without need of booster/enchancers)

Because mark my words,scanning will come back. Once whatever the current fad is be it tanks or jump forge guns scanners will be abused again.

I think its somewhere later in that same thread.

That thread is going to be a pain to sort through however.

Found it: http://dustsearch.com/thread/181381/author/CCP#5

Actually wasn't too hard with using the Dust Search. Much easier to find than the forum search.

It's toward the end. Rattati linked to a spreadsheet. I think the details can also be found in the Uprising 1.10 (Dec 2014) patch notes. Digging ...

http://dust514.com/news/2014/12/uprising-1.10-overview-patch-notes/
http://dustsearch.com/thread/181381/page/14#393
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j0uAKk-PtFUgV62QANDe0lJ02Ukc-jQuhcLdwhG4J1Q/edit#gid=18624413

Gal logi with two creodron flux active scanners. But you can permascan everyone who isn't a gal scout or equipped with multi damps.

Gal scout with one damp,can evade pretty much everything except inner ring scans.

Problem is,the gal logi completely destroys ewar for every suit.
Bigger problem is that the gal scout is too good at stealth vs other scouts
The gallente are the reaso ewar is broke right now.Just saying.

P.S.

I miss that kind of dialogue and feedback...

The kind of dialogue where self-serving members of CPM flat-out lie to get what they want? I don't miss that kind of dialogue. Here's to hoping it never happens again. And should it, here's to hoping Rattati is able to part fact from fiction.

Personally, I don't think that there is much that can be done on EWAR while we have the old code and old hardware to deal with.

That is what it devolved to, but it didn't happen with every topic, and it is certainly better than silence. I think you have to take the good with the bad, and on the whole having dialogue and discussion is better than silence.

Scouts should have a general scan profile reduction per level when equiped with cloack as an innate for scouts, this as a passive on the cloack proficency or the class, that would let them have to equip 1 complex dampener ir onder to escape any proto scan used by gallente but the flux and forcibly equip the cloack.

The flux is the only counter measure against scouts anyway, i dont like though that 1 equipmen in 1 merc on enemy team, nullifyes all the scout in one side of the team, the only countermeasure i can come up right now is that somehow the scouts can reduce the timer they are on the scan.

I've tried the DS4 controller. It's excellent. However, I couldn't get the vibration feedback to work - is there something I need to do or is it simply not enabled on the PS3?