Problem is the creodron flux active scanner and gallente logistics destroys any stealth the scouts may have. So unless the precision on the flux active scanner is nerfed or all scouts get a bonus to scan profile then the never ending cycle will just continue.

I'll take that bait!

Say I'm a MinScout who has chosen to be "stealthy". I've committed all 3 of my 3 three low slots to complex dampeners. My scan profile is 16dB. What happens when I get within knife range of an Assault or Logi who's committed 1 high slot to precision? These units have the highest module slot count in the game; is it reasonable that their single-module investment trumps my 100% investment in stealth? I've forgone speed and tank to be stealthy; why is it that my stealth is so easily trumped at so little investment?

Because the minscout has 3 low slots,and the amarr has four. Two or more damps to evade one piece of equipment is far too much.
But gimping the sh!t out of your suit to evade one shmuck with a scanner isn't fair.

Because you must fully invest skill points in dampening(and equip multiple damps) and a scout suit and this costs quite a bit,all someone else needs do is grab a gal logi and a scanner and all your investments are instantly negated. I did not just spend a small fortune to have a scout suit that can be picked up very easy and through walls I might add.

Tldr: answer this question. Why can that gal logi have so much health and is able to permanantly keep my team on his teams HUD yet I must fit multiple profile dampeners sacrificing speed yet still be picked up and easily killed?

Tldr: answer this question. Why can that gal logi have so much health and is able to permanantly keep my team on his teams HUD yet I must fit multiple profile dampeners sacrificing speed yet still be picked up and easily killed?

I had to double take at this. Wtf is this. Are you actually suggesting stacking HP on a suit designed for speed and stealth?

Three complex sheild extenders nets a min scout roughly 300+ sheild HP.
Two complex sheild extenders nets a am scout 212 sheild HP(personal experience.)

But I'm just asking,no offense,but do you have a serious mental deformity or something?
Did you not account for the current meta of play?

Jumpy mass drivers,gal assaults with breach assault rifles,assualt hmgs?

Do you understand what damage profiles and damage mods and the rest of those modifiers mean?

Do you realize that I pack an assault rifle all the time that gets my warbarge damage bonus,my level four proficiency bonus,my equipped damage mod bonus,AND the bonus vs sheilds?

Do you realize that the fast time to kill that almsot all of dust weapons have? What does that meager little sheild of yours have to stand against the power of our weapons?

Did you properly figure in the fact that the min scout has 80 armour that's almost nonexsistant?

Considering I've run scouts and logis for my whole time as a merc,I can tell you what its like.
What's it like to have such low ehp that if a heavy so much as even farts at me I die? If a flux grenade so much as dinks my Helmtet I die?

Or the rather disturbing fact that most gal logis that are permascanning tend to have a squad all with mics and shared passive and active scans?

And that logis themselves carry weapons? Or have better innate passive scans than assaults?

The other thing that bothers me is how this threads proclamations that one can duck permascan by running two dampners, which is flawed for two reasons: 1) it assumes every one does, can, and will run proto, and 2) it assumes level 5 in all skills.

You have all said it yourself multiple times "if you are going in for a frontal assault you are doing it wrong" well guess what permascan FORCES us to do?.

It turns everything into a frontal assault. So, essentially where we are at to duck permascan is use all to half of the low slots which could be contributing to our mobility in order to be able to fulfil our role.

I challenge you to point to another class who requires a third of their modules to be used in a certain way (assuming, of course you are sufficiently skilled, and wealthy enough to run them at proto levels, and not compromise your fitting).

Points 1-3: so, yeah still requires all your low slots(caldari)

or just MOST of your low slots to get under permascan, still doesn't negate my point.

Final point: nice dodge there, seriously you basically just responded to the aside which was not really the point, the point is that scouts are required to outfit themselves in a very constraining way to do their role, they are the only class which is required to use a third of their fitting space in one way, also your contention that min and ammar scouts aren't "meant" to be stealthy is ******* ridiculous, if that's the case, can we get them an HP buff, after all "stealthy or tanky chose one" is your battle cry, isn't it?

after all "stealthy or tanky chose one" is your battle cry, isn't it?

Point 1 no it is not likely to be stacked with shields because as you have said if you are frontal assaulting you are failing it is likely to have either myofibs, precision enhancers, or DMg mods.

Further you are again assuming proto their, when earlier you said at level 3 it will take two.

If you consider tanking a viable strategy you clearly don't scout.

Point two: said two in previous reply, now back to assuming 1, further the fact that they can't get below perma scans(specifically the mins) without that huge constraint still nueters them, as for the ammar: oh yeeeeah cause the slowest scout is deffinatly going to be able to hunt the faster ones...what the hell is with your fascination and paranoia with scouts reaching a phenomenal 450 hp, anyway? That's still just swiss cheese if they are caught,

you are still ignoring all the buffs assaults have had, and other nerfs scouts have had, such as the cloak nerfs. They are never going to be assault lite again, and that is good, but as they are now they are way too constrained by the meta of scanners.
Well perhaps not your personal battle cry, but that of your ilk.

4 cmp shields + cmp damp + cmp kincat does not make for a particularly strong or competitive calscout. You aren't going to fit much else on it. What else were you planning to take?

That, and you're instagib bait for every flavor of AR, ScR or shotgun. Armor is still king for a reason, and you have next to none.

As for fast shield recovery, sure it is nice so long as you aren't instagibbed, but it isn't unique anymore. Everyone has fast shield recovery now. Even GA Assaults.

You're also going to be scanned and painted to squad tacnet every time you get within shotgun range of a MedFrame. They don't even need a precision enhancer.

Not to say the loadout can't be made to work under the right set of circumstances, rather that it doesn't hold up as well you might expect given today's meta and environment. I ran variations of the above quite alot in past and present builds. It used to work; now, not so much. "You must be a terrible scout if you can't do well with this" may have been the case before but it is not presently accurate.

Stil curious about your loadout though. Last I checked, 4 cmp extenders and a kincat doesn't leave much room.

Not gonna lie. I laughed when I read this.

PS: If precision enhancers are indeed useless on a CalScout (of all things), EWAR's even more borked than I'd realized!

How long will the sh!t stay in the fan?