This is a simple question.

Rather than shoehorning the Amscout into the recon role and assassination role (which is better handled by the other scouts) would it be better suited as a "Light Assault" intended for Fast Attack and Counter-Reconnaisance work?

Not trolling, and not judging.

Put your two cents here.

I don't want to visit problems caused by the Amarr logistics for a class >< as a slot issue. Rather that the toolbox be shaped for the various tools in the field already.

My two cents:

Change the AM Scout bonus to a flat efficacy bonus to biotics. The Triathlete Scout. The Biotic Man.

Did anyone other than me hear that one sail far overhead?

Can it not do either, depending on how you fit it? There is more than one way to fit a scout suit.

Amarr counter recon light assault

Amarr assassin

The main thing the Amarr scout does better than other scouts is it's passive scan precision. It has the ability to scan at greater precision at medium range than a Gallente logi with an active scanner (non-focussed). It will pick up most scouts further out than any other passive scan, making it a deadly opponent for enemy scouts.

With the exception of a speed hack Min scout, scouts in general are played in roughly the same ways. The various bonuses give them advantages in different areas, but essentially they are all scouts. The Amarr scout is no different. It's precision bonus will just give it an advantage in passive scanning, and a capability to scan scouts beyond what other suits can do. All scouts can be fit as a light assault.

Reasons it is considered underpowered compared to other scouts:

Scan range amps were nerfed hard when the scan falloff was introduced. This was to prevent suits from buffing their hyper precise inner scan rings out too far and turning themselves into walking super radars for their squad.

Unfortunately, this nerf hit Amarr scouts hard, as they were left with little way to buff their diminished medium range scans. This combined with inner scan rings allowing mediums to scan even heavily damped scouts, the massive buff to logi scan range, and the existence of the very powerful Gal logi focussed scans, all diminished the value of the Amarr scout.

The other bonus the Amarr scout has is to stamina. Originally this was the only bonus the suit had. This is not considered terribly good, as the suit already has reasonably good stamina.

Suggestions to improve the situation:

Buff range extenders to 10/15/20%. This moderate buff would improve the Amarr scout's scanning without allowing logi's to become OP at it. If logis remain a concern, perhaps nerf the logi scan range down to be equal with scouts and assaults.

Perhaps swap the stamina bonus for a bonus to biotic modules. This will allow the suit to excel in a variety of ways such as running, jumping and melee. Module bonuses have the advantage of requiring the user to actually equip the right module, rather than just stacking a load of hp.

Maybe look at active scanning. Some proposals have put forward, such as beam scanning, snapshot scanning, swapping the Gal logi bonus to cooldown rather than precision. I suggest nerfing the focussed scanner range to 50m would be an idea. The impetus for this would be to improve the EWAR situation for medium (and possibly heavy) suits, who currently find it very difficult to avoid Gal logi active scans. The knock-on effect would be that passive scanning would have more of a role.

I suggest trying just the buffs first (20% range amps), and seeing how it goes.

Can it not do either, depending on how you fit it? There is more than one way to fit a scout suit.

Amarr counter recon light assault

Amarr assassin

The main thing the Amarr scout does better than other scouts is it's passive scan precision. It has the ability to scan at greater precision at medium range than a Gallente logi with an active scanner (non-focussed). It will pick up most scouts further out than any other passive scan, making it a deadly opponent for enemy scouts.

With the exception of a speed hack Min scout, scouts in general are played in roughly the same ways. The various bonuses give them advantages in different areas, but essentially they are all scouts. The Amarr scout is no different. It's precision bonus will just give it an advantage in passive scanning, and a capability to scan scouts beyond what other suits can do. All scouts can be fit as a light assault.

Reasons it is considered underpowered compared to other scouts:

Scan range amps were nerfed hard when the scan falloff was introduced. This was to prevent suits from buffing their hyper precise inner scan rings out too far and turning themselves into walking super radars for their squad.

Unfortunately, this nerf hit Amarr scouts hard, as they were left with little way to buff their diminished medium range scans. This combined with inner scan rings allowing mediums to scan even heavily damped scouts, the massive buff to logi scan range, and the existence of the very powerful Gal logi focussed scans, all diminished the value of the Amarr scout.

The other bonus the Amarr scout has is to stamina. Originally this was the only bonus the suit had. This is not considered terribly good, as the suit already has reasonably good stamina.

Suggestions to improve the situation:

Buff range extenders to 10/15/20%. This moderate buff would improve the Amarr scout's scanning without allowing logi's to become OP at it. If logis remain a concern, perhaps nerf the logi scan range down to be equal with scouts and assaults.

Perhaps swap the stamina bonus for a bonus to biotic modules. This will allow the suit to excel in a variety of ways such as running, jumping and melee. Module bonuses have the advantage of requiring the user to actually equip the right module, rather than just stacking a load of hp.

Maybe look at active scanning. Some proposals have put forward, such as beam scanning, snapshot scanning, swapping the Gal logi bonus to cooldown rather than precision. I suggest nerfing the focussed scanner range to 50m would be an idea. The impetus for this would be to improve the EWAR situation for medium (and possibly heavy) suits, who currently find it very difficult to avoid Gal logi active scans. The knock-on effect would be that passive scanning would have more of a role.

I suggest trying just the buffs first (20% range amps), and seeing how it goes.

I like the idea of them being a fast assault unit that can move around the battlefield quickly, shoring up the Amarrian front line at the points where it's beginning to buckle, and when they have the upper hand they can act as a potent harrassing force, hitting flanks and rears to break up the enemy's lines even further.

From a practical stand point, then, we should be looking at bonuses that increase the effacacy of fitted biotics and reduce the fitting costs of damage/weapon mods. They should be durable, tireless and hard-hitting, relatively quick too; perhaps a bonus to the HP gain ferro plates to help promote a combat scout that can actually survive on the front lines? I think that would be a really solid improvement to the suit.

This is a simple question.

Rather than shoehorning the Amscout into the recon role and assassination role (which is better handled by the other scouts) would it be better suited as a "Light Assault" intended for Fast Attack and Counter-Reconnaisance work?

Not trolling, and not judging.

Put your two cents here.

Sounds good
If the Amarr scout was a scout Killer!!!!!!!!! but was not a (OP Cal logi of old)
(So how about a damage bonus against light suits only!)
And a bonus to scan percision against light suits.

This way It would be The scout Killer!

Can it not do either, depending on how you fit it? There is more than one way to fit a scout suit.

Amarr counter recon light assault

Amarr assassin

The main thing the Amarr scout does better than other scouts is it's passive scan precision. It has the ability to scan at greater precision at medium range than a Gallente logi with an active scanner (non-focussed). It will pick up most scouts further out than any other passive scan, making it a deadly opponent for enemy scouts.

With the exception of a speed hack Min scout, scouts in general are played in roughly the same ways. The various bonuses give them advantages in different areas, but essentially they are all scouts. The Amarr scout is no different. It's precision bonus will just give it an advantage in passive scanning, and a capability to scan scouts beyond what other suits can do. All scouts can be fit as a light assault.

Reasons it is considered underpowered compared to other scouts:

Scan range amps were nerfed hard when the scan falloff was introduced. This was to prevent suits from buffing their hyper precise inner scan rings out too far and turning themselves into walking super radars for their squad.

Unfortunately, this nerf hit Amarr scouts hard, as they were left with little way to buff their diminished medium range scans. This combined with inner scan rings allowing mediums to scan even heavily damped scouts, the massive buff to logi scan range, and the existence of the very powerful Gal logi focussed scans, all diminished the value of the Amarr scout.

The other bonus the Amarr scout has is to stamina. Originally this was the only bonus the suit had. This is not considered terribly good, as the suit already has reasonably good stamina.

Suggestions to improve the situation:

Buff range extenders to 10/15/20%. This moderate buff would improve the Amarr scout's scanning without allowing logi's to become OP at it. If logis remain a concern, perhaps nerf the logi scan range down to be equal with scouts and assaults.

Perhaps swap the stamina bonus for a bonus to biotic modules. This will allow the suit to excel in a variety of ways such as running, jumping and melee. Module bonuses have the advantage of requiring the user to actually equip the right module, rather than just stacking a load of hp.

Maybe look at active scanning. Some proposals have put been forward, such as beam scanning, snapshot scanning, swapping the Gal logi bonus to cooldown rather than precision. I suggest nerfing the focussed scanner range to 50m would be an idea. The impetus for this would be to improve the EWAR situation for medium (and possibly heavy) suits, who currently find it very difficult to avoid Gal logi active scans. The knock-on effect would be that passive scanning would have more of a role.

I suggest trying just the buffs first (20% range amps), and seeing how it goes.

Seconding this one.

EWAR needs a lot of work as it is and the passive scanning role is already occupied by both Gal and Cal scouts.


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Truly, let the Amscout be the bench press scout.

Amarr are all about endurance. They sit there and fire all the laz0rs they can while soaking up damage with their armor. In recent years they've added speedy ships to counter the fast Minmatar fleets, but these are by far the exception instead of the rule.

The problem with giving them a bonus to biotics is A) if they improve kincats, you will likely be able to run as fast if not faster than a MinScout, if they improve myros, my GOD I would love to see the crazy jumping they could do. And if they improve cardiac regs, their bonus will go mostly unused. It's an interesting idea, but Amarr are not about quick movement. They are about stand-and-deliver.

Therefore, I vote for making them a hunter-killer role. Let them be the anti-scout, with passives to detect them, and a more tankier less stealthy design. As it is, they have passive precision, which is good for their hunter role. So I would give them a bonus to range as well, but not as strong as the Caldari Scout. Say 5% per level.

Whatever the bonus, they should be what you call in when you have a scout problem.

My preference is to fill the scout hunter role. The largest impediment to this was the nerf of the range amps. You can get high precision passive scans, but the range is so poor that enemy scouts are practically ontop of you before you can detect them. If you gimp your fit to increase your passive scan radius, you should be able to detect/react to enemy scouts (who aren't damped like crazy) with enough range that you can take them down outside of shotgun range.

I have an Amarr scout fit for anti-scout (2 complex precisions & 2 complex range), and you have to get pretty close to your targets (you can't cloak yourself obviously) and you have very low survivability. It's pretty weak at the role it should excel in given how many drawbacks the fit has.