Not judging, what alternate universe is this?

Let's look at the triangle here. The scout skills are range, dampening and precision. so why not put range and precision to Amarr, Dampening and precision to gallente, dampening and range to Caldari, and Melee and biotics to minmatar?

Gallente: Dampening and Precision
Caldari: Range and Dampening
Amarr: Precision and Range
Minmatar: Hack and Slash/ Biotics

Actually, unless you count non-existant 4x precision Cal scouts, you need to add 1x damps Cal and Gal scouts to this list.

So effectively the majority of all competitively fit scouts, as this is the level of dampening required to hide from Gal logi scans.

The fact that passive scans don't give enemies an on screen warning like actives do, increases the chance of catching unsuspecting scouts.

Let's look at the triangle here. The scout skills are range, dampening and precision. so why not put range and precision to Amarr, Dampening and precision to gallente, dampening and range to Caldari, and Melee and biotics to minmatar?

Gallente: Dampening and Precision
Caldari: Range and Dampening
Amarr: Precision and Range
Minmatar: Hack and Slash/ Biotics

Absolutely fair, Varoth. Still, the point remains:
The AM Scout's "competitive edge" is limited to a very narrow middle ring.

My two cents:

First and foremost, please don't mess with the MinScout unless you're giving it a better scan profile. This one's particularly delicate, as I believe performance statistics will indicate, and I believe it best left alone if at all possible.

As for the AM Scout, a few more meters of Scan Range wouldn't hurt anything. Trading it stamina bonus (on the other hand) for those few more meters of scan range would definitely hurt more than help.

Already Discussed Ideas:
(1) * Find a way to improve his short-range / high-intensity scans.
(2) * Recast him as "biotic scout" by changing bonus to biotic efficacy.

Other Old Barbershop Ideas:
(3) * Ferro / Reactive Efficacy Bonus - The idea at the time was to give Scouts who like to tank armor a go-to option.
(4) * Uplink Bonus - This could work, but it'd also potentially step on Logi toes.
(5) * ScP Headshot and Dmg Bonus - Shoehorns the unit, but could be a fun and effective suit for pistoleers.

An Aeon Amadi Idea:
(6) * AM Scout gets to hack hostile equipment for +X WP per flip.
I like it and Aeon likes it, which -- if nothing else -- makes it a rare gem.

I still think the Amarr scout's unique ability to detect assaults at 30m, without fitting any mods, is an advantage that many don't consider.

If fit with damage mods, shields or myos, scanning assaults at 30m is pretty nice. Here are other suits by comparison:

Unmodded range to detect undampened assaults (max skills):

Min scout - 15m
Gal scout - 15m
Cal scout - 23m
Logi - 19m
Assault - 15m
Commando - 6m
Sentinel - 5m

I'm not saying they are in a great place. However I don't want to see passive scans becoming OP again.

If we were to move the AM Scout bonus away from passive scans, his new-found role(s) would be insulated against upcoming EWAR changes. This is another good reason, in my opinion, to be looking at reasonable alternatives.

Perhaps, but I don't know that I'd call that a competitive strength or unique advantage. Once EWAR modules are in play, GA and CA Scouts can do the same if not better. Competitively speaking, long range passives are inferior to actives, and if shared passives are disabled (which seems to be a possibility), they'll be even more inferior than they are now.

If we were to move the AM Scout bonus away from passive scans, his new-found role(s) would be insulated against upcoming EWAR changes. This is another good reason, in my opinion, to be looking at reasonable alternatives.

...

1. Would you promote moving all racial suit bonuses away from eWar? Or just for that one suit?
I haven't made up my mind, so I'm just asking.

2. My personal stance is that the current AmScout bonus may become very useful once the active scans have received a tweak. You are right in saying that right now active scans are quite simply superior. Until I know how actives are going to change I have trouble deciding what should be done.

3. Subjectively I wouldn't advocate discussing both changes at once.

Hence Why I'm asking ...

I'm with you, Varoth. My thinking is simply that if the Devs are going to spend time and effort fixing the AM Scout, that their time and effort would be best spent on a fix which sets it apart. Otherwise, we'll remain without a clear and succinct answer to the very reasonable question, "What's the AM Scout the best at?"

I'm with you, Varoth. My thinking is simply that if the Devs are going to spend time and effort fixing the AM Scout, that their time and effort would be best spent on a fix which sets it apart. Otherwise, we'll remain without a clear and succinct answer to the very reasonable question, "What's the AM Scout the best at?"

Hear, hear!

I still think biotics man is pointless. 1. It doesn't fit lore since the Amarr only have cardiac regs for biotics. 2. Giving it biotics either a. doesn't give it anything another suit can't do just as well or B. Steps on another scout suits role.

We could have the base precision on Amarr scouts be lower than they're counterparts. Or buff the bonus to precision to 7.5% per level. Scout hunter is a viable role. Although honestly I think the Caldari Scout should be the scout hunter, but as it is Amarr Scout can sufficiently fill the role.

I used that suit for one purpose: Hunting. I relied heavily on my ability to keep up with any and every suit, thus the reason why I used Biotics. I relied more so on my experience in CQC as opposed to long range or medium. Granted during the time I was active it was by far, the most gimped and under-powered suit but that's what I loved about it, no one dared used it. So I sat down crunched some numbers on proto-fits.com and got to work. I wanted something that can go just as fast if not keep up at least with a Mini. I followed lore as best as I could, I hunt them down with maxed passives and what-ever I didn't pick up on my suit I used what I was taught.

I encompass every single aspect of that suit to Survive. I had in total about 400+ health (200 ish shields and 242 armor) the suit was meant for balancing mobility, offense and defense all in one. I still to this day EXCLUSIVELY on that suit when it was released have received a 5.0+ KDR. You can make ANYTHING work in this game, if you are committed to trial and errors in return. 11.21 is the fastest you can make a Scout run, but it SEVERELY gimps the suit, so everyone would slap E-War or Armor instead to give them some confidence but, unfortunately it always slows them down. Scouts run fast, but I was always right their behind them.

Understood. Some suggestions:

Quick and Dirty Band-Aid Fix
Set AM Scout base scan range equal to Logi base scan range. Would help the AM Scout a little; wouldn't hurt anything else. Wouldn't make Scouts any less grumpy about Logi base scan range, but that's beside the point and an altogether separate issue :P

Alternative
If Rattati's set on keeping the AM Scout EWAR bonus, I'd propose holding off on a "proper fix" until after the EWAR changes.

Alternative
If Rattati's open to moving the AM Scout bonus away from EWAR, I'd propose the following:

* Precision Bonus ----> Biotic Bonus
* Precision Bonus ----> Uplink Bonus
* Precision Bonus ----> ScP Headshot and Dmg Bonus

Make Range Amplifiers a viable option and the AM Scout is set in a good place...

My two cents:

Change the AM Scout bonus to a flat efficacy bonus to biotics. The Triathlete Scout. The Biotic Man.

Why so My Sent Ak.0 with 1867 eHP can get one shot with a melee.

My preference would be the Quick and dirty fix, at least until active scans receive a nerf. After that, passive scans can be revisited.

The one where beer falls into my lap from the sky when I desire it, and the world ceases to exist save when I deign to acknowledge it.

Seconding this one.

EWAR needs a lot of work as it is and the passive scanning role is already occupied by both Gal and Cal scouts.


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Truly, let the Amscout be the bench press scout.

Can you send some of that beer to this universe please.