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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.13 13:47:00 -
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Daddrobit wrote:Rabbit ears -and- a panda butler?
Oh mah goodness, you and Bad Furry are SO gonna get it on. So long as BF is in his scout suit jumping around obliterating infantry with swarms then all is right in the world.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
12
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Posted - 2015.08.13 15:54:00 -
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Daddrobit wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Daddrobit wrote:And milita is literally incapable of killing any tank without the *stares at my militia forge fit.* *stops listening to Daddrobit* Wow... I mean what? I blow them to pieces and you don't? No damage mods either. Ds3 pad, no AA, and I usually practice vs Dropships... Do you not set up your target? Do you not track your shots? Do you just not try aiming? --- seriously a lot of Swarm users don't even bother learning to track a target. Do you only engage at the far end of your AV weapon? Can you not predict the (simplistic and very few) paths that a vehicle MUST take to get between targets? I'm just wondering what the REAL issue is. Look kiddo, if you're gonna make a reply to a comment, actually reading the comments you're replying to is generally considered the best practice. But in case it's just a personal comprehension disability, allow me to help you explain what was being covered a la the more simple style of a book by Dr Seuss. The Tanker and the Swarms By:Daddrobit
Our fun little story will follow the dear Mr. Feind, self proclaimed Demigod! And though it might not have been true, to cross his logic meant going to his firing squad.
But what Mr Fiend hated above all else was AV, and he despised it with such rancor! Yes it was patently obvious, (How could you miss it?) that this man was a self entitled tanker.
He cried on the forums, "One Swarm Two Swarm Three Swarm Four" "From Standard to Officer, they hurt me so bad, I just can't take it any more!"
"And who can forget Militia, oh such a horrible, devious, terrible beast!" "Yes my hardeners may have been down, but I should still get away at least?"
"Who cares about things like balance, fun, or engaging gameplay?" "I'm in a tank for goodness sakes! And I am here to stay!"
Oh yes he thought so very highly of himself, and he imagined it in so much blazing Glory, That he never expected, (t'was completely unforeseen) that he was not actually the hero of this story...
For here it is that he does enter, the clone who calls himself Daddy Much to the despair of his victims, certainly seeing him makes them very unhappy
"But wait," Daddy cried, "Stop yourself and hold long enough to let me speak." "Why would you go and attack someone when you know you yourself are very weak?"
"And militia swarms aren't nearly such a beast. Surely there were a million ways to survive" "If you died going against a man using militia swarms, then you must have been taking a dive"
"Even basic gives you plenty of time to run away. The first shots are merely a ticklish warning" "Eight seconds later is when you finally get into trouble, and after that is when you can really begin your mourning."
"But what were you doing in all of that time? Did you not know that tanks go in reverse?" "If you simply start driving away, the swarms will become impotent, and then you won't have to open up your purse."
"it must be hard to think about what I'm saying, so let me make it more simple before you start singing the blues" "Don't engage things when you know you can't win, and don't field what you can not afford to lose.
And thus content and satisfied, Daddy sat back, waiting for a reply, reclining in his chair, Hoping that the next response from a tanker wouldn't be one that would make him tug out all of his hair.
The End There, is that easier for you to understand? Now do not further antagonize me or I shall be forced to compose a Hynox-esque Novella between yourself, Maximus, Bad Furry, an Ion Cannon, and AV grenades...
That's actually a pretty decent poem.
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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Quasar Storm
0uter.Heaven
647
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Posted - 2015.08.13 16:48:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Its all so funny that the only tankers to ever openly complain on the forums were all so known as some of the worst tankers in the game. In dust balance will never happen but we should remind you to git gud. Honestly the brazilian tankers that never post on the forum seem to be the nastiest customers. a clear sign of some of the best tankers are the ones who only complain in game. They must be to busy stomping people even in a nerfed tank to waste their time on the forums.
Sicaaa-chuuuuuuu!!!!
Recent studies show that staring at a green apple changes the likelihood of all ravens being black.
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Maximus Mobius
Fatal Absolution
921
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Posted - 2015.08.13 17:19:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Its all so funny that the only tankers to ever openly complain on the forums were all so known as some of the worst tankers in the game. In dust balance will never happen but we should remind you to git gud. Honestly the brazilian tankers that never post on the forum seem to be the nastiest customers. a clear sign of some of the best tankers are the ones who only complain in game. They must be to busy stomping people even in a nerfed tank to waste their time on the forums. Causation does not equal correlation
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
1
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Posted - 2015.08.13 20:16:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Rabbit ears -and- a panda butler?
Oh mah goodness, you and Bad Furry are SO gonna get it on. So long as BF is in his scout suit jumping around obliterating infantry with swarms then all is right in the world.
Hmmm, I dunno, I always associated him with sitting in a rail tank on top of Manus Peak, (when it was still a peak) and other places it was somewhat difficult to get to.
O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
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DUST Fiend
17
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Posted - 2015.08.13 20:17:00 -
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Daddrobit wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Rabbit ears -and- a panda butler?
Oh mah goodness, you and Bad Furry are SO gonna get it on. So long as BF is in his scout suit jumping around obliterating infantry with swarms then all is right in the world. Hmmm, I dunno, I always associated him with sitting in a rail tank on top of Manus Peak, (when it was still a peak) and other places it was somewhat difficult to get to. That's the new BF. I'm talking about the original BF. The jumpy close range swarm scout who hopped around the match slaughtering scores of helpless infantry.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
1
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Posted - 2015.08.13 20:32:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Daddrobit wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Rabbit ears -and- a panda butler?
Oh mah goodness, you and Bad Furry are SO gonna get it on. So long as BF is in his scout suit jumping around obliterating infantry with swarms then all is right in the world. Hmmm, I dunno, I always associated him with sitting in a rail tank on top of Manus Peak, (when it was still a peak) and other places it was somewhat difficult to get to. That's the new BF. I'm talking about the original BF. The jumpy close range swarm scout who hopped around the match slaughtering scores of helpless infantry.
Well I dunno about that really being -his- MO tbqh. Back then that was the standard for probably 50% of the population.
O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
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Tebu Gan
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.08.13 20:33:00 -
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Maximus Mobius wrote:Do you know why we double or even triple stack armor hardeners? IT'S BECAUSE ANYTHING LESS AND WE'RE A PILE OF ROLLING SCRAP METAL!! I have been tanking since beta right before uprising and I can tell you this is the weakest tanks have ever been. At least before 1.7 we had complexity and modules and turret variation to help us combat the AV. Now we have only mlt,std,adv & pro turrets with no variation. And no mlt large turret missiles. AVers even have officer weapons and a less margin to miss with forge guns and even AHMGs are capable of destroying tanks. I remember tanking before 1.7 and we had an equal fighting ground. We had powerful active modules & turret variations and even my beloved scattered Ion cannon. Now we have jack sh*t in variation and we have almost no way to combat redline forge gunners besides luck. So shut up your 3 milita AV nades don't instantly blow up a hardened proto maddy.
Actually I run a double plated, single hardener and rep fit, that is very strong against AV and pretty effective against most tanks. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
20
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Posted - 2015.08.13 20:44:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Maximus Mobius wrote:Do you know why we double or even triple stack armor hardeners? IT'S BECAUSE ANYTHING LESS AND WE'RE A PILE OF ROLLING SCRAP METAL!! I have been tanking since beta right before uprising and I can tell you this is the weakest tanks have ever been. At least before 1.7 we had complexity and modules and turret variation to help us combat the AV. Now we have only mlt,std,adv & pro turrets with no variation. And no mlt large turret missiles. AVers even have officer weapons and a less margin to miss with forge guns and even AHMGs are capable of destroying tanks. I remember tanking before 1.7 and we had an equal fighting ground. We had powerful active modules & turret variations and even my beloved scattered Ion cannon. Now we have jack sh*t in variation and we have almost no way to combat redline forge gunners besides luck. So shut up your 3 milita AV nades don't instantly blow up a hardened proto maddy. Actually I run a double plated, single hardener and rep fit, that is very strong against AV and pretty effective against most tanks.
That was something I tried a long time ago..... actually it was a triple plated Hardener fit with the sole purpose of absolute trolling, are there specific kinds of tactics you have to use to pull this kind of HAV off or is this just a public/FW fitting?
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Moguns Ja'Xon
The Knights Of NewEden
11
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Posted - 2015.08.13 21:22:00 -
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Maximus Mobius wrote:Do you know why we double or even triple stack armor hardeners? IT'S BECAUSE ANYTHING LESS AND WE'RE A PILE OF ROLLING SCRAP METAL!! I have been tanking since beta right before uprising and I can tell you this is the weakest tanks have ever been. At least before 1.7 we had complexity and modules and turret variation to help us combat the AV. Now we have only mlt,std,adv & pro turrets with no variation. And no mlt large turret missiles. AVers even have officer weapons and a less margin to miss with forge guns and even AHMGs are capable of destroying tanks. I remember tanking before 1.7 and we had an equal fighting ground. We had powerful active modules & turret variations and even my beloved scattered Ion cannon. Now we have jack sh*t in variation and we have almost no way to combat redline forge gunners besides luck. So shut up your 3 milita AV nades don't instantly blow up a hardened proto maddy.
you cant forge from redline anymore. limit is 250-300 meters
God of Amarr Sentinels
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
1
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Posted - 2015.08.13 23:33:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Daddrobit wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Rabbit ears -and- a panda butler?
Oh mah goodness, you and Bad Furry are SO gonna get it on. So long as BF is in his scout suit jumping around obliterating infantry with swarms then all is right in the world. Hmmm, I dunno, I always associated him with sitting in a rail tank on top of Manus Peak, (when it was still a peak) and other places it was somewhat difficult to get to. That's the new BF. I'm talking about the original BF. The jumpy close range swarm scout who hopped around the match slaughtering scores of helpless infantry.
Hmmm, though I don't actually know what he considers himself, the jumpy bit makes me think lagomorph...
O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
495
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Posted - 2015.08.14 04:30:00 -
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Maximus Mobius wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:heh did you just lose a bunch of prototanks before posting this?
I got proto tanks to burn but no I didn't. I did this since if a tanker doesn't actively have A hardener on, he will get wrecked by 3 packed Lai Dai AV nades. I'm annoyed at the "Tanks are too op" mindset the AV group has.
LOL funny because all i see are tankers complain that AV is OP , LOL 3 Lai Dais ive been in tanks that laugh at that hell ive been against tanks that let me get 12 swarm vollies and it acted like CCP adding full racial variants " meh We will get to it soon(TM)"
Have garbage gun game? Throw a Core.
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Maximus Mobius
Fatal Absolution
926
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Posted - 2015.08.14 06:41:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Maximus Mobius wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:heh did you just lose a bunch of prototanks before posting this?
I got proto tanks to burn but no I didn't. I did this since if a tanker doesn't actively have A hardener on, he will get wrecked by 3 packed Lai Dai AV nades. I'm annoyed at the "Tanks are too op" mindset the AV group has. LOL funny because all i see are tankers complain that AV is OP , LOL 3 Lai Dais ive been in tanks that laugh at that hell ive been against tanks that let me get 12 swarm vollies and it acted like CCP adding full racial variants " meh We will get to it soon(TM)" With the hardeners on or off? And who was that tanker and how much SP was sunk into vehicles and what was his fit?
ALL HAIL MAXSON!!
Multi-role Tanker
Tanks and turrets supplied by Caldari Steel and Ishukone!!
For The State!!
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Nirwanda Vaughns
1
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Posted - 2015.08.14 08:51:00 -
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AV and Vehicles will never truly be balanced til we have some decent heavy shield AV so til then every arguement is moot because there simply isn't enough balance.
Please fix my C-II hitpoints!!
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
282
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Posted - 2015.08.14 13:46:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:AV and Vehicles will never truly be balanced til we have some decent heavy shield AV so til then every arguement is moot because there simply isn't enough balance.
Considering shield tanks don't really exist right now exceptt for idiots who think a gank fit gunloggi works, Shield AV is a very low priority.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
282
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Posted - 2015.08.14 13:47:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Maximus Mobius wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:heh did you just lose a bunch of prototanks before posting this?
I got proto tanks to burn but no I didn't. I did this since if a tanker doesn't actively have A hardener on, he will get wrecked by 3 packed Lai Dai AV nades. I'm annoyed at the "Tanks are too op" mindset the AV group has. LOL funny because all i see are tankers complain that AV is OP , LOL 3 Lai Dais ive been in tanks that laugh at that hell ive been against tanks that let me get 12 swarm vollies and it acted like CCP adding full racial variants " meh We will get to it soon(TM)"
You didn't read his post.
He said a tank without its hardeners on will get wrecked by lai dais. Which, if it doesn't have a plate on is true.
Maybe you should spend less time hurling swarms at dual rep maddies and actually try and get close for once.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
551
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:05:00 -
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No matter the build, a tank with no hardeners is dead.
We have little choice but to be OP. Zero variety. Gunni can't hang ATM. Running any fit other than dual or better hardened maddy is asking to lose isk.
XT trip damage missiles do squat against a trip hardened maddy.
I don't rail so idk.
The majesty here is the fact that infantry complaints brought us to this era. Stripped of all our wonderful mods and turrets, hulls, and other vehicles; its no wonder we run as powerful as we can and punish infantry any chance we get.
With the bumper physics fix, LLAV could make a comeback. But no, its a murder taxi
LDS could make a comeback with all the pythons and officer forges/swarms out there. But no, they are unkillable.
SLAV was overlooked but one of my faves. Honestly nobody has ever cried about them for any reason lol. (except me, about getting gta style air then instapopping upon landing)
ADS could still be a tank hunter, but n.... Actually, I think us tankers cried on that one. But with max skills on pilot and gunner they could eviscerate a maxed HAV with a MLT turret. Just CCP overdid it with that "balance pass"...
We used to run in packs and graze majestically upon each other. Ran into a rail maddy with my gunni recently, and had to actually blink the crust away for a true battle against True lol. He was using driving skill, and tactics on me. I wasn't sure if I had fallen asleep playing and dreamt it or not.
Long story is long. Pretty sure I speak for all true operators when I say that the current vehicle meta is BORING! "Who's epeen is harder?..." RUNAWAYRUNAWAYRUNAWAY
Fun...
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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DUST Fiend
17
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:08:00 -
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Devadander wrote:ADS could still be a tank hunter, but n.... Actually, I think us tankers cried on that one. But with max skills on pilot and gunner they could eviscerate a maxed HAV with a MLT turret. Just CCP overdid it with that "balance pass".... The sad truth on this one is that CCP was unable to fix the bug, so in order to address it they nerfed the hell out of our RoF so when you pilot stack it's not as OP.
Pilot stacking still exists, it's just less appealing since they neutered our offense.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
551
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:16:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Devadander wrote:ADS could still be a tank hunter, but n.... Actually, I think us tankers cried on that one. But with max skills on pilot and gunner they could eviscerate a maxed HAV with a MLT turret. Just CCP overdid it with that "balance pass".... The sad truth on this one is that CCP was unable to fix the bug, so in order to address it they nerfed the hell out of our RoF so when you pilot stack it's not as OP. Pilot stacking still exists, it's just less appealing since they neutered our offense.
Was foggy on that one, haven't DS since they removed ole Prometheus
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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DUST Fiend
17
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:17:00 -
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Devadander wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Devadander wrote:ADS could still be a tank hunter, but n.... Actually, I think us tankers cried on that one. But with max skills on pilot and gunner they could eviscerate a maxed HAV with a MLT turret. Just CCP overdid it with that "balance pass".... The sad truth on this one is that CCP was unable to fix the bug, so in order to address it they nerfed the hell out of our RoF so when you pilot stack it's not as OP. Pilot stacking still exists, it's just less appealing since they neutered our offense. Was foggy on that one, haven't DS since they removed ole Prometheus I was one of the only original people to go balls deep into Prometheus the moment it was released.
That was.....a very...bad decision. To this day I've never raged as hard as I did as Prometheus pilot. My very first taste at just how bad CCP is at balancing things.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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Alcina Nektaria
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
145
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:32:00 -
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If I am not mistaken, wasn't a buff given to AV nades not long after the buff to tanks, or around the same time at least? I want to say it was after.
The problem (in my opinion) because no one has any GOOD ideas for vehicles is that AV nades were buffed to combat the stupid double hardners that people were running to be assholes in the first place. There's no good way to run a vehicle anymore. I used to actually enjoy watching tankers go at it with each other well before things started getting out of hand with releases and updates.
Idk it's just my opinion, we have issues in this community of exploiting mods and machinery and then we complain when things get buffed and nerfed when 85% of the time the stuff was fine to begin with.
A good solution would be for AV to be nerfed to a point but then release prefitted vehicles to choose from. Maybe ask the community for actual GOOD fitting ideas instead of the stupid **** they have to run to combat the mess they made in the first place.
I hate to say it, but someone the other day just said the game would have possibly been better without vehicles and with this as an example I can't help but think they're right.
Even AV guns have a problem. In a game where there are 16 or less people on each team, it shouldn't take more than 2 people to successfully take out a vehicle with AV.
All around the entire mechanics revolving Vehicles and AV is so off it's not even funny. Maybe I'm just reaching, but that's my honest opinion on the matter.
KEQ Diplomat
Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro.
A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
283
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Posted - 2015.08.14 18:19:00 -
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Alcina Nektaria wrote:
The problem (in my opinion) because no one has any GOOD ideas for vehicles is that AV nades were buffed to combat the stupid double hardners that people were running to be assholes in the first place. There's no good way to run a vehicle anymore.
Tankers fitting to survive are *******. Glad to know you are not biased.
Alcina Nektaria wrote:
A good solution would be for AV to be nerfed to a point but then release prefitted vehicles to choose from. Maybe ask the community for actual GOOD fitting ideas instead of the stupid **** they have to run to combat the mess they made in the first place.
What?
Alcina Nektaria wrote:
Even AV guns have a problem. In a game where there are 16 or less people on each team, it shouldn't take more than 2 people to successfully take out a vehicle with AV.
It doesn't. No matter the fit(aside from a joke dual plated dual hardened maddy with a basic turret) EVERY tank you can put on field dies to 6 lai dais. No other av needed.
If you can't take out a tank with a buddy in a LAV, then you are the problem, not the AV gear.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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Alcina Nektaria
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
146
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Posted - 2015.08.14 18:34:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:
The problem (in my opinion) because no one has any GOOD ideas for vehicles is that AV nades were buffed to combat the stupid double hardners that people were running to be assholes in the first place. There's no good way to run a vehicle anymore.
Tankers fitting to survive are *******. Glad to know you are not biased. Alcina Nektaria wrote:
A good solution would be for AV to be nerfed to a point but then release prefitted vehicles to choose from. Maybe ask the community for actual GOOD fitting ideas instead of the stupid **** they have to run to combat the mess they made in the first place.
What? Alcina Nektaria wrote:
Even AV guns have a problem. In a game where there are 16 or less people on each team, it shouldn't take more than 2 people to successfully take out a vehicle with AV.
It doesn't. No matter the fit(aside from a joke dual plated dual hardened maddy with a basic turret) EVERY tank you can put on field dies to 6 lai dais. No other av needed. If you can't take out a tank with a buddy in a LAV, then you are the problem, not the AV gear.
If you read anything I said, you'd see that I was saying it all needs to fixed. You are formatting my words conditionally to specific scenarios. I'm saying in general, as a whole. Vehicles suck, av sucks because there is no balance. Lets see you come up with a suggested solution instead of criticizing an idea.
KEQ Diplomat
Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro.
A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
3
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Posted - 2015.08.14 18:48:00 -
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Forced Death wrote:Any tanks that aren't prototype with 3 gardeners die instantly and any tanks with three gardeners never die ok well nerf the gardeners then cause those little shovels they carry are OP on a side note for tank balance why don't they buff raw HP and nerf useing more then 1 hardener.
CBM
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
283
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Posted - 2015.08.14 18:56:00 -
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Alcina Nektaria wrote:
If you read anything I said, you'd see that I was saying it all needs to fixed. You are formatting my words conditionally to specific scenarios. I'm saying in general, as a whole. Vehicles suck, av sucks because there is no balance. Lets see you come up with a suggested solution instead of criticizing an idea.
Just like the muppet in the other thread, a complete rework isn't going to happen, and people suggesting it needs to be told that point blank.
It might be possible to get enough dev effort to tweak some numbers here and there, but a total redo isn't going to happen.
Your idea isn't one, it is just being even more critical than I am, by saying it all sucks, start over like a little kid.
I don't think vehicles suck, and I don't think AV sucks. I enjoy driving my tanks around, and I have used enough AV to know how brutally effective it is.
I didn't "format" your words to fit a specific scenario. You called all tankers assholes just for trying to not die. That shows exactly how you think about the situation. The third quoted portion was me disputing your baseless claim that you need more than 2 people to take out a hardened tank.
I don't need to come up with a solution to a crybabies problem.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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Alcina Nektaria
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
146
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:05:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:
If you read anything I said, you'd see that I was saying it all needs to fixed. You are formatting my words conditionally to specific scenarios. I'm saying in general, as a whole. Vehicles suck, av sucks because there is no balance. Lets see you come up with a suggested solution instead of criticizing an idea.
Just like the muppet in the other thread, a complete rework isn't going to happen, and people suggesting it needs to be told that point blank. It might be possible to get enough dev effort to tweak some numbers here and there, but a total redo isn't going to happen. Your idea isn't one, it is just being even more critical than I am, by saying it all sucks, start over like a little kid. I don't think vehicles suck, and I don't think AV sucks. I enjoy driving my tanks around, and I have used enough AV to know how brutally effective it is. I didn't "format" your words to fit a specific scenario. You called all tankers assholes just for trying to not die. That shows exactly how you think about the situation. The third quoted portion was me disputing your baseless claim that you need more than 2 people to take out a hardened tank. I don't need to come up with a solution to a crybabies problem.
In terms of how they work, yeah they suck. No sugar coating, no reason to remake all the points that were made on them. So what if I want to voice my opinion on the matter. Yes, some tankers are assholes with ******* fits BECAUSE of unbalanced game mechanics. I don't think it's so wrong to hope for some sort of revamping of the system in which they operate. No need for you to wet yourself over it
KEQ Diplomat
Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro.
A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
3
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:08:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:
If you read anything I said, you'd see that I was saying it all needs to fixed. You are formatting my words conditionally to specific scenarios. I'm saying in general, as a whole. Vehicles suck, av sucks because there is no balance. Lets see you come up with a suggested solution instead of criticizing an idea.
Just like the muppet in the other thread, a complete rework isn't going to happen, and people suggesting it needs to be told that point blank. It might be possible to get enough dev effort to tweak some numbers here and there, but a total redo isn't going to happen. Your idea isn't one, it is just being even more critical than I am, by saying it all sucks, start over like a little kid. I don't think vehicles suck, and I don't think AV sucks. I enjoy driving my tanks around, and I have used enough AV to know how brutally effective it is. I didn't "format" your words to fit a specific scenario. You called all tankers assholes just for trying to not die. That shows exactly how you think about the situation. The third quoted portion was me disputing your baseless claim that you need more than 2 people to take out a hardened tank. I don't need to come up with a solution to a crybabies problem. yes because standing next to a tank throwing 3 AV nades then putting down a nanohive restocking the nades and throwing 3 more all while the tank sits there is a great tactic that never result in the infantry dieing. This whole game needed to be remade from the ground up a long time ago. Just because the devs are nose pickers does not mean we accept flawed mechanics.
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Pocket Rocket Girl
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General Mosquito wrote:Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Maximus Mobius wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:heh did you just lose a bunch of prototanks before posting this?
I got proto tanks to burn but no I didn't. I did this since if a tanker doesn't actively have A hardener on, he will get wrecked by 3 packed Lai Dai AV nades. I'm annoyed at the "Tanks are too op" mindset the AV group has. LOL funny because all i see are tankers complain that AV is OP , LOL 3 Lai Dais ive been in tanks that laugh at that hell ive been against tanks that let me get 12 swarm vollies and it acted like CCP adding full racial variants " meh We will get to it soon(TM)" You didn't read his post. He said a tank without its hardeners on will get wrecked by lai dais. Which, if it doesn't have a plate on is true. Maybe you should spend less time hurling swarms at dual rep maddies and actually try and get close for once.
so just becasue i was in a tank that surivied 3 lais makes what i said null? sure why not.
just because i misread something some one typed (because booze and lack of reading glasses) does not mean that i sit at the 170m lockon range of swarms but you know my play style though right? but then again im just a noob that has been playing this game since closed beta so what do i know.
Have garbage gun game? Throw a Core.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:25:00 -
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Ok now that im done trolling the tankers i will put my two cents in. The current status in dust is tanks are fragile and invincible when they nerfed raw HP and made useing multiple harders effective. If you look at the great tank AV balance in bf4 and planet side you will see that haveing strong AV and hight HP tanks leads to longer battles given a smart tanker the ability to move to cover. You should never make tanks invincible or fragile on and off.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:34:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:
yes because standing next to a tank throwing 3 AV nades then putting down a nanohive restocking the nades and throwing 3 more all while the tank sits there is a great tactic that never result in the infantry dieing.
Funny thing about AV nades ( and swarms to a lesser degree) is that you don't need to even be in gun view of the tank to mess it up.
Tons of safety around almost every flag in the game to properly administer AV glory, provided the tank sits around.
Of course the far more successful ram an LAV into him, hop out and administer AV justice has no real counter and puts the operators of the lav at virtually no risk provided they don't lag out and ride the fireball.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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