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Spkr4theDead
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Because forcing someone to die and lose a full fit so they can engage you, or have to trundle about in an inferior vs infantry fit on the offchance you drop a vehicle is fair.
Might as well make it so vehicles can't destroy turret installations. One bad idea after another from you.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2015.08.15 19:57:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Because forcing someone to die and lose a full fit so they can engage you, or have to trundle about in an inferior vs infantry fit on the offchance you drop a vehicle is fair.
And no, commandos aren't the only AV fits worth talking about.
Every obsessive tanker fanboy b*tching about commandos.
Or laidais
Or both, as if you could combine the two somehow. Because they can't both exist in the same match at once. I forgot as soon as a commando is deployed, all fits with lai dais become invalid. So... Teamwork is unfair, somehow? I consider that a nonfactor and automatically dismiss any complaints about vehicles exploding when dogpiled.
Infantry have been crying for years that it shouldn't take teamwork to destroy a vehicle. Pilots don't complain when infantry uses teamwork against them. They say 'well played' and take out another one.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2015.08.15 19:59:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
Because forcing someone to die and lose a full fit so they can engage you
This is the big issue. Absolutely, 100% an AV player should have to put themselves at risk to take a run at the tank to kill it. If you want single suits to be able to solo tanks, then they MUST be engageable. Allowing a single suit to dominate from long range(not swarms range, but forge) completely screws that balance. Allowing a single suit on a roof to shut down huge swaths of the map, especially given the rendering problems in this game is horrible gameplay for everyone except the forger. I know you want to be that guy, striking out from heaven in a 1400 hp fat suit, but it isn't good gameplay. Why do you think that you should have to put in no risk to kill someone who is putting ISK and their ass on the line? In reference Breakin's post, he was referring to an earlier post about removing the ability for infantry to change fits a depot, which would essentially mean having to waste a fit just to be able to swap in to an AV fit, from AV to AI or even swap between AI fits. Don't tell him that. He was on a roll and I was laughing my ass off as the point flew right over his head.
Your lackadaisical point didn't fly over his head, you just choose to ignore points that counter yours.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:00:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
Don't tell him that. He was on a roll and I was laughing my ass off as the point flew right over his head.
So you were laughing your ass off because you didn't quote your reference? Damn, you must be having a blast when you are out not killing tanks.
He has to play the game to destroy tanks, not point out how spreadsheets should be the only factor in determining numbers for vehicles and AV.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:02:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
I've made all my arguments over the last two years, sorry you're a latecomer to the game, mosquito. Bluntly I don't feel a particular need to justify myself to you.
umm, I've been playing since closed beta, and tanking since just before release.
There are few tankers left in this game with as much experience as me in both tanking and AV.
My stats back up my excellence in tanking, my performance in PC attests to my skills.
When you were bumming around in pubs I was fighting against Imperfects and their tankers, and coming out ahead.
When you were telling tankers to HTFU during the LLAV AV nades spikefest, I was tanking in PC's breaking my wallet, and doing the damn thing.
When tankers had legitimate complaints about swarms and FG users on rooftops not rendering, you were talking that HTFU crap because it was in your interest to not have a balanced game.
When tanks were massively OP, I was posting about recommended nerfs.
So yes, you do need to justify your position, especially if you want to be taken seriously. But I don't think you do. You are just a crybaby scrub who wants to pretend he knows something.
You can very easily change that, just give us your tanker alts name, or log him in and squad with me and show me how you dominate and never die.
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Breakin Stuff
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:05:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
Don't tell him that. He was on a roll and I was laughing my ass off as the point flew right over his head.
So you were laughing your ass off because you didn't quote your reference? Damn, you must be having a blast when you are out not killing tanks. He has to play the game to destroy tanks, not point out how spreadsheets should be the only factor in determining numbers for vehicles and AV.
Goddamn, I just realized how boring reading your posts is.
Like a skipped record. Same post, over and over and over and over...
Trying to figure out how the f*ck I never realized it before.
In any case, welcome back, I look forward to your empty posting at all points in the future.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:06:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
He has to play the game to destroy tanks, not point out how spreadsheets should be the only factor in determining numbers for vehicles and AV.
I saw him in game a few weeks back.
He drove an untanked LAV into 2 tanks and a balster turret, while I was on his flank with a rail. I felt sorry for the blueberry that was riding with him, but he was going to die when he went around the corner anyway.
That is his elite level AV at work. I would love to see his tanking lol.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:07:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
In any case, welcome back, I look forward to your empty posting at all points in the future.
And yours have substance?
You won't even post your tanker alt to back up your claims of being nigh unkillable and dominating matches.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Breakin Stuff
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:07:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
He has to play the game to destroy tanks, not point out how spreadsheets should be the only factor in determining numbers for vehicles and AV.
I saw him in game a few weeks back. He drove an untanked LAV into 2 tanks and a balster turret, while I was on his flank with a rail. I felt sorry for the blueberry that was riding with him, but he was going to die when he went around the corner anyway. That is his elite level AV at work. I would love to see his tanking lol.
I rammed the tank BECAUSE the blueberry was in the LAV with me. 
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:10:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I rammed the tank BECAUSE the blueberry was in the LAV with me.
You didn't even make it to the corner before I one shot you.
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:11:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:Buff raw HP, tone down Hardeners, move Heavy Reps to Active rather than Passive.
Would that balance (or at least start to balance) HAVs so that they're 1. No longer completely vulnerable and squishy without Hardeners and 2. No longer nigh on invincible /godmode with Hardeners.? All CCP ever did was nerf hardeners due to the incessant whining from infantry. The first time they were ever buffed was when Rattati did the big vehicle sweep.
So Hardeners were UP for a long while before Ratatti gave them a look over. Toning them down (lower resistance, higher fitting costs or hard cap, one of the three), adding a passive resistance, higher raw HP, Active Heavy Reps. Would that be balanced? Not fragile without Hardeners, not invincible with.
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Breakin Stuff
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:12:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
In any case, welcome back, I look forward to your empty posting at all points in the future.
And yours have substance? You won't even post your tanker alt to back up your claims of being nigh unkillable and dominating matches. Pot, meet kettle.
Been playing since beta?
On what character?
Sorry, but if you're going to claim you're a badass post on your main, or a character I've at least seen before.
Or posted on.
Or I give a crap about how you fought the imps, everyone fought the imps, and some people whined about it harder than others.
Tell ya what, pubbie. You put a little more effort into proving your points, and I'll give you the time of day, ok?
Until then, you're a newcomer with a loud mouth who has put zero work into helping the discussion about HAV balance, instead trying to refute any point that says, Madrugars are unbalanced.
You want me to take you seriously enough to care? What, if anything do you think it will take for AV/V balance?
Skip swarms. The goddamn things can't be balanced without making them OP or useless trash. They aren't worth discussing unless that discussion involves a dev uttering the words "So we're going to completely rebuild swarm launchers from the ground up..."
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:13:00 -
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Honestly, I am just glad we have firmly established Breakin as someone who refuses to answer straight up questions.
Anyone want to take a bet that his "tanker" alt has a K:D under two?
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Breakin Stuff
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:14:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I rammed the tank BECAUSE the blueberry was in the LAV with me. You didn't even make it to the corner before I one shot you.
because blowing up an LAV is... Hard?
You skilled monster you.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:15:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Honestly, I am just glad we have firmly established Breakin as someone who refuses to answer straight up questions.
Anyone want to take a bet that his "tanker" alt has a K:D under two?
If you'd actually been on the forums longer than the last what, two, three months?
You'd know the answer.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:15:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
Been playing since beta?
On what character?
Sorry, but if you're going to claim you're a badass post on your main, or a character I've at least seen before.
Or posted on.
Or I give a crap about how you fought the imps, everyone fought the imps, and some people whined about it harder than others.
Tell ya what, pubbie. You put a little more effort into proving your points, and I'll give you the time of day, ok?
Until then, you're a newcomer with a loud mouth who has put zero work into helping the discussion about HAV balance, instead trying to refute any point that says, Madrugars are unbalanced.
You want me to take you seriously enough to care? What, if anything do you think it will take for AV/V balance?
Skip swarms. The goddamn things can't be balanced without making them OP or useless trash. They aren't worth discussing unless that discussion involves a dev uttering the words "So we're going to completely rebuild swarm launchers from the ground up..."
The Attorney General - Tanker
GeneralButtNaked - Prof 5 FG heavy, biomassed awhile back to be remade in eve.
Turn on signatures bro. I don't hide who I am. I'm proud of my tanking endeavours.
Now tell us who your tanker is, and I'll give you a detailed post about what to do with tanks and AV, beyond the myriad suggestions I have made elsewhere, and even in this very thread.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:17:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
"It's not fair if a single infantryman can destroy my (insert vehicle here) solo. It should require teamwork."
Why should a suit with a few million SP be able to easily destroy a vehicle with 60 million SP and over 1 million ISK sunk into it? That's the pilot community's gripe, which you have always countered with no logical reason.
"AV is overpowered because I die instantly if three people launch swarms/forge shot/angry kindergarteners simultaneously."
Pilots don't complain about infantry using teamwork.
One demanding teamwork. And by and large you got your fecking wish. Then claiming AV is overpowered because ganging up and butchering you is somehow unfair.
See above
Complaining that AV can deny you access to a whole sector of the map they are in. Last I checked, that's kinda why it exists.
Infantry were crying bloody murder and declaring the end of Dust when CCP nerfed the lockon range from 400m to 175m.
AV is too easy to get, everyone on the battlefield can use it!
See above about differences in SP required to run an AV suit vs a vehicle to withstand AV.
I really don't know how to respond to that much stupid in one sentence.
Pilots don't talk stupid, infantry does.
I dunno how you all say it's hard I use AV and it's easy to destroy any vehicle. It's trivial with my militia forge...
You say you're able to destroy vehicles with MLT forge guns; probably LAVs. Then you cry that a MLT forge can't destroy a tank with 60mil SP and 1mil ISK sunk into it.
This is a bald-faced lie from someone who apparently can't even cook up a good bullsh*t story.
It's not a story, it's critical thinking.
Vehicles aren't the problem in my opinion.
Vehicles are all paper and no tiger.
Vehicles can be balanced and made fair.
Fair to you is "armor tanks should have 1500 base armor and no blaster turrets at all, barring that they should be removed;" "LAVs should have 500 total HP, barring that they should be removed;" "ADS should have 1500 total HP and terrible aim, barring that they should be removed." That, from what I've seen of your nonsensical posts and never factoring in experience and demanding that vehicles and AV be balanced around the lowest common denominator, which is infantry with less than 3 mil SP and STD level AV.
However, the drivers can't be,
The ones with actual experience have the complaint that merely one person shouldn't have the power of an asteroid in their pocket in the form of AV grenades.
and the instant a vehicle can be killed the cries go out about how useless it now is.
Vehicles are paper.
Whenever vehicles are clearly OP
Vehicles never have been and never will be OP. They were their own best counter during Chromosome, and if there wasn't a pilot on either team, but 2 or more on one side, that's the way the dice were rolled as far as matchmaking went. Vehicles and AV shouldn't be balanced on the hypothetical that one side has a total of 10 pilots with 40mil or more SP into vehicles for each one, and the other has no pilots at all. That goes further than lack of balance, and is more towards an irrational hatred of vehicles.
and allow even mediocre and crapass pilots to go 30/1 the claim is "nope that's totally fair" go out.
All while completely ignoring any and all pilots with a year or more of experience. It's always "this noob tanker shouldn't be able to survive my MLT AV." It's never "this experienced tanker with 50mil SP is able to brush off my MLT, so maybe I should skill into PRO AV to take out that pilot."
Vehicles aren't the obstacle of balance. The drivers are.
[i]It always has been and always will be infantry crying about vehicles being able to shrug off MLT AV. If not that, then it's a pilot with 50mil SP into vehicles and years of experience not being allowed to escape danger due to, again, experience and fast enough reflexes with a broken wheel of doom system.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:18:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
because blowing up an LAV is... Hard?
You skilled monster you.
The point of that anecdote is that you are such an idiot you drove an untanked LAV around on a map where there had already been both an 80gj Particle Cannon and 2 Ion Cannons in the killfeed.
It was more in mockery of your foolishness than a statement of my skill.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:19:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
Whenever vehicles are clearly OP and allow even mediocre and crapass pilots to go 30/1 the claim is "nope that's totally fair" go out.
Vehicles aren't the obstacle of balance. The drivers are.
OK, well since I know you are craptastic at AV, are you willing to but your rear in a tank that I give you and go 30/1? You seem to be under the delusion that I don't actually drive tanks. I don't drive them on this, my infantry-focused character. But sure, you keep thinking that I don't know what I'm talking about,chuckles.
Everything I've been seeing you type for ~2 years shows me that you have no idea as to what you're talking about when it comes to actually piloting a vehicle.
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Breakin Stuff
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:21:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
Been playing since beta?
On what character?
Sorry, but if you're going to claim you're a badass post on your main, or a character I've at least seen before.
Or posted on.
Or I give a crap about how you fought the imps, everyone fought the imps, and some people whined about it harder than others.
Tell ya what, pubbie. You put a little more effort into proving your points, and I'll give you the time of day, ok?
Until then, you're a newcomer with a loud mouth who has put zero work into helping the discussion about HAV balance, instead trying to refute any point that says, Madrugars are unbalanced.
You want me to take you seriously enough to care? What, if anything do you think it will take for AV/V balance?
Skip swarms. The goddamn things can't be balanced without making them OP or useless trash. They aren't worth discussing unless that discussion involves a dev uttering the words "So we're going to completely rebuild swarm launchers from the ground up..."
The Attorney General - Tanker GeneralButtNaked - Prof 5 FG heavy, biomassed awhile back to be remade in eve. Turn on signatures bro. I don't hide who I am. I'm proud of my tanking endeavours. Now tell us who your tanker is, and I'll give you a detailed post about what to do with tanks and AV, beyond the myriad suggestions I have made elsewhere, and even in this very thread.
Nah, I'd rather just string you along and let you think I'm lying.
If you had a detailed idea how to balance the two, you'd have posted it at some point.
But for the funzies, because I want to watch spkr4thedead foam at the mouth:
Some reading materiel. I imagine it'll make most drivers mad.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:22:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
Everything I've been seeing you type for ~2 years shows me that you have no idea as to what you're talking about when it comes to actually piloting a vehicle.
Of course not, if he even has a tanker alt, it has an empty wallet and a shoddy K:D and W/L ratio.
He won't ever back up his claims of his tanking dominance, because it is a myth he needs to tell to pretend like he is objective.
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:22:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
[i]"It's not fair if a single infantryman can destroy my (insert vehicle here) solo. It should require teamwork."
Why should a suit with a few million SP be able to easily destroy a vehicle with 60 million SP and over 1 million ISK sunk into it? That's the pilot community's gripe, which you have always countered with no logical reason.
Actually Spkr, Breakin has said, multiple times in other threads, that vehicles need either a drop in ISK cost or SP investment, depending on if they're supposed to be a dedicated role just like Assault, Logi, Sentinel are roles (drop the ISK costs) or a freely available temporary power-up (drop the SP cost)
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Spkr4theDead
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Came for tears and lies.
Left with a water truck fleet load.
Nice rant post.
Madrugars are OP.
Suck it. Predictably, there's the spreadsheet warrior who doesn't play, and who can't explain his statements. Predictably, the broken record returns to regale us all with empty posts, haughty statements and meaningless talking points. Welcome back spkr. Feel free to go crawl into the box with your PS3.
"Broken record"
So continuing to cite my experience vs AV is being a broken record? Actually telling infantry how to destroy vehicles is being a broken record - and I was nowhere near the only one. Quite a few pilots have told infantry how to destroy vehicles, but literally every single time they countered with "well I shouldn't have to do that because of *x* reason." It's always been nonsensical and never backed up with any reasoning.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:27:00 -
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See the funny thing is, I couldn't care if you are lying.
It is more for the spectators who might consider your opinion as valid to see that you won't post the name because you don't have the stats to back it up. That reluctance paints a much better picture of your intentions than anything else.
You discredit yourself and your arguments, and that is to my advantage.
You want to find my detailed post on how to fix tanks, I made it on Attorney not too long ago. Seek and you shall find.
I won't repost it here to satisfy you, especially since you are so reluctant to have your own record examined. Since you refuse to debate in good faith, and instead want to try to hand wave away any critical arguments, then why should I do your work for you?
As long as you refuse to post your alleged tanker alt, all you are doing is making yourself look foolish.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:28:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
Whole bunch of fluff to avoid the requested proof.
If tanks are as OP as you say, then provide your tanker alts name, surely he has a 20:1 K:D ratio. Now a good K:d isn't everything, but as you said, you don't die unless you get a tank interfering with your business. Of course you won't though, because your stats won't match your claims. Or you could demonstrate to me personally, but you won't, because you can't take getting laughed at when you muppet the whip. I appreciate that you took the trouble to type that out, but it doesn't mitigate you dodging a simple question. That says so much more than that wall of text. best you bring to the table is "this is what happens with me, therefore your points are irrelevant." Why should I put more effort into refuting you than you put into proving a point? So far you haven't put out a single point of testable evidence to back your claim, nor have you answered any point I have ever made. As far as evasiveness, your glass house is cracking from all the rocks you're throwing.
The "testable evidence" you want to see could've been done on CCP's test server. Also, not everybody has, nor cares to purchase a video capture device. So, you shouldn't ask just one person to "provide video evidence." How about you post some video of you using your preferred MLT forge gun to "easily" destroy vehicles?
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:28:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
"Broken record"
So continuing to cite my experience vs AV is being a broken record? Actually telling infantry how to destroy vehicles is being a broken record - and I was nowhere near the only one. Quite a few pilots have told infantry how to destroy vehicles, but literally every single time they countered with "well I shouldn't have to do that because of *x* reason." It's always been nonsensical and never backed up with any reasoning.
Oh my god, so much this.
When tankers have to break down to AV how simple it is to kill tanks, it makes me wonder what game they have been playing all this time.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:29:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Sometimes I wonder if this game would not be in 10x better condition if they had left out vehicles instead of racial heavy weapons.
Seriously look at the incredible amount of time and energy that has been wasted in a couple of years for the same moronic back and forth to still be going on. It's because infantry incessantly cried about vehicles, and how they couldn't nuke them with one volley from MLT swarms, thus the reason vehicles have been dragged through the mud for so long, and pilots being treated like second class citizens. And you certainly didn't help. because even when tanks were OP as all get out, you were acting like they were fine. There is a place for rational discussion about balance matters, and you are not a person who should be included, because you refuse under any circumstances to be objective. You are just as bad, if not worse than the people who cry and whine about tanks being OP.
Vehicles were never OP.
I never compromised because infantry's statement is "we're the majority of the community, so you have no say in it."
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Megaman Trigger wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
[i]"It's not fair if a single infantryman can destroy my (insert vehicle here) solo. It should require teamwork."
Why should a suit with a few million SP be able to easily destroy a vehicle with 60 million SP and over 1 million ISK sunk into it? That's the pilot community's gripe, which you have always countered with no logical reason.
Actually Spkr, Breakin has said, multiple times in other threads, that vehicles need either a drop in ISK cost or SP investment, depending on if they're supposed to be a dedicated role just like Assault, Logi, Sentinel are roles (drop the ISK costs) or a freely available temporary power-up (drop the SP cost)
And just to reiterate, Spkr is dead wrong that a single dropsuit shouldn't be able to take out a tank.
The real question is how long should it take, and at what ranges can that kill be performed.
I personally think that any suit that isn't a minmando shouldn't be able to kill a tank with JUST swarms. I'm not sure where I stand on the forge gun, because if it is strong enough to destroy a tank by itself we just return to FGs up high, which is kind of crap for gameplay.
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Spkr4theDead
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
Don't tell him that. He was on a roll and I was laughing my ass off as the point flew right over his head.
So you were laughing your ass off because you didn't quote your reference? Damn, you must be having a blast when you are out not killing tanks. He has to play the game to destroy tanks, not point out how spreadsheets should be the only factor in determining numbers for vehicles and AV. Goddamn, I just realized how boring reading your posts is. Like a skipped record. Same post, over and over and over and over... Trying to figure out how the f*ck I never realized it before. In any case, welcome back, I look forward to your empty posting at all points in the future.
Refusing to refute claims with evidence and critical thinking, preferring to go strictly by numbers is not my fault. From what I've seen of you post, you have no idea how to drive. That's not my fault, it's entirely on your shoulders.
PS3 is back in its box.
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
Vehicles were never OP.
I never compromised because infantry's statement is "we're the majority of the community, so you have no say in it."
That is complete crap.
There was a phase where tanks were too strong. That infantry only had two AV nades that had just been nerfed really made it worse than it should have been.
That you refuse to admit that makes you really easy to ignore as a voice for balance.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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