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Pocket Rocket Girl
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:38:00 -
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Maximus Mobius wrote:Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Maximus Mobius wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:heh did you just lose a bunch of prototanks before posting this?
I got proto tanks to burn but no I didn't. I did this since if a tanker doesn't actively have A hardener on, he will get wrecked by 3 packed Lai Dai AV nades. I'm annoyed at the "Tanks are too op" mindset the AV group has. LOL funny because all i see are tankers complain that AV is OP , LOL 3 Lai Dais ive been in tanks that laugh at that hell ive been against tanks that let me get 12 swarm vollies and it acted like CCP adding full racial variants " meh We will get to it soon(TM)" With the hardeners on or off? And who was that tanker and how much SP was sunk into vehicles and what was his fit?
assuming you are taking about the lai dais
A. after the first 2 the hardener came on ( stupid delay) B. there have been several tanks i have ridden C. i dont know how much SP D. i assume harders repps
if anything CCP should bring back the old modules and should seperate tanks and DS instead of buffing or nurfing them as one
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:39:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:
so just becasue i was in a tank that surivied 3 lais makes what i said null? sure why not.
just because i misread something some one typed (because booze and lack of reading glasses) does not mean that i sit at the 170m lockon range of swarms but you know my play style though right? but then again im just a noob that has been playing this game since closed beta so what do i know.
First line is mush. Should try that one again.
Second part is pretty funny. You yourself said you flung 12 volleys of swarms at a tank.
As for the last line, time spent playing doesn't equal skill. You clearly don't know much about tanks, so it is rather likely that you don't know anything about how to fight them either. 12 volleys of swarms backs that up.
Please tell me how pro you are for being in closed beta, I was there too, and I learned how to AV before uprising 1.0 hit. Why haven't you learned in the extra year since then?
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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Tebu Gan
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:40:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Maximus Mobius wrote:Do you know why we double or even triple stack armor hardeners? IT'S BECAUSE ANYTHING LESS AND WE'RE A PILE OF ROLLING SCRAP METAL!! I have been tanking since beta right before uprising and I can tell you this is the weakest tanks have ever been. At least before 1.7 we had complexity and modules and turret variation to help us combat the AV. Now we have only mlt,std,adv & pro turrets with no variation. And no mlt large turret missiles. AVers even have officer weapons and a less margin to miss with forge guns and even AHMGs are capable of destroying tanks. I remember tanking before 1.7 and we had an equal fighting ground. We had powerful active modules & turret variations and even my beloved scattered Ion cannon. Now we have jack sh*t in variation and we have almost no way to combat redline forge gunners besides luck. So shut up your 3 milita AV nades don't instantly blow up a hardened proto maddy. Actually I run a double plated, single hardener and rep fit, that is very strong against AV and pretty effective against most tanks. That was something I tried a long time ago..... actually it was a triple plated Hardener fit with the sole purpose of absolute trolling, are there specific kinds of tactics you have to use to pull this kind of HAV off or is this just a public/FW fitting?
Nothing special, I used it in PC to a bit of success for a while but have dropped it for a more OP fit. Good fit for when you are feeling lazy as it doesn't require as much attention as multiple hardener fits do. |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:43:00 -
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Devadander wrote:No matter the build, a tank with no hardeners is dead.
We have little choice but to be OP. Zero variety. Gunni can't hang ATM. Running any fit other than dual or better hardened maddy is asking to lose isk.
XT trip damage missiles do squat against a trip hardened maddy.
I don't rail so idk.
The majesty here is the fact that infantry complaints brought us to this era. Stripped of all our wonderful mods and turrets, hulls, and other vehicles; its no wonder we run as powerful as we can and punish infantry any chance we get.
With the bumper physics fix, LLAV could make a comeback. But no, its a murder taxi
LDS could make a comeback with all the pythons and officer forges/swarms out there. But no, they are unkillable.
SLAV was overlooked but one of my faves. Honestly nobody has ever cried about them for any reason lol. (except me, about getting gta style air then instapopping upon landing)
ADS could still be a tank hunter, but n.... Actually, I think us tankers cried on that one. But with max skills on pilot and gunner they could eviscerate a maxed HAV with a MLT turret. Just CCP overdid it with that "balance pass"...
We used to run in packs and graze majestically upon each other. Ran into a rail maddy with my gunni recently, and had to actually blink the crust away for a true battle against True lol. He was using driving skill, and tactics on me. I wasn't sure if I had fallen asleep playing and dreamt it or not.
Long story is long. Pretty sure I speak for all true operators when I say that the current vehicle meta is BORING! "Who's epeen is harder?..." RUNAWAYRUNAWAYRUNAWAY
Fun...
I read to about the LDS and i agree they need top bring back the old modules and vehicles also CCP should tweek tanks and DS separately
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet RUST415
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:16:00 -
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Maximus Mobius wrote:Louis Domi wrote:I say Nerf everything. AV HAV ABC TNT CBS. Buff ADS and bring back old vehicle/turret variants I say actually put time into it and make it a level playing field. Tanks can shoot BBs and infantry can throw rocks and use sticks!! |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:18:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:
so just becasue i was in a tank that surivied 3 lais makes what i said null? sure why not.
just because i misread something some one typed (because booze and lack of reading glasses) does not mean that i sit at the 170m lockon range of swarms but you know my play style though right? but then again im just a noob that has been playing this game since closed beta so what do i know.
First line is mush. Should try that one again. Second part is pretty funny. You yourself said you flung 12 volleys of swarms at a tank. As for the last line, time spent playing doesn't equal skill. You clearly don't know much about tanks, so it is rather likely that you don't know anything about how to fight them either. 12 volleys of swarms backs that up. Please tell me how pro you are for being in closed beta, I was there too, and I learned how to AV before uprising 1.0 hit. Why haven't you learned in the extra year since then?
LOL thats funny
the first line is refering to your reponce of "You didn't read his post.
He said a tank without its hardeners on will get wrecked by lai dais. Which, if it doesn't have a plate on is true.
Maybe you should spend less time hurling swarms at dual rep maddies and actually try and get close for once."
but you know what lets ignore that.
and as for the rest its just so LOLZ worthy itf thats the best you can do ASSUMING you know how i play then sure why not keep telling your self that your better.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:36:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:
LOL thats funny
the first line is refering to your reponce of "You didn't read his post.
He said a tank without its hardeners on will get wrecked by lai dais. Which, if it doesn't have a plate on is true.
Maybe you should spend less time hurling swarms at dual rep maddies and actually try and get close for once."
but you know what lets ignore that.
and as for the rest its just so LOLZ worthy itf thats the best you can do ASSUMING you know how i play then sure why not keep telling your self that your better.
Wow, between the spelling and the lack of understanding of what words mean, no wonder you can't kill tanks.
How exactly does you surviving 3 av nades while sitting in a tank invalidate your claim that it can survive such?
Since you decided to go all caps on about your playstyle, let me help you out once again.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/assumption
I didn't assume anything. You said you fired twelve volleys of swarms at a tank. Since you didn't make any mention of using av nades, you weren't close.
You shouldn't all caps a word when you don't know what it means.
I can kill tanks with just proxies. I can also kill them with AV nades and a PLC. So yes, I am better than you.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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Megaman Trigger
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:44:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote: I didn't assume anything. You said you fired twelve volleys of swarms at a tank. Since you didn't make any mention of using av nades, you weren't close.
Or was running a Commando. Just sayin'
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:45:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:General Mosquito wrote: I didn't assume anything. You said you fired twelve volleys of swarms at a tank. Since you didn't make any mention of using av nades, you weren't close.
Or was running a Commando. Just sayin'
Minmando eats tanks, and it doesn't take 12 volleys.
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:52:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:
LOL thats funny
the first line is refering to your reponce of "You didn't read his post.
He said a tank without its hardeners on will get wrecked by lai dais. Which, if it doesn't have a plate on is true.
Maybe you should spend less time hurling swarms at dual rep maddies and actually try and get close for once."
but you know what lets ignore that.
and as for the rest its just so LOLZ worthy itf thats the best you can do ASSUMING you know how i play then sure why not keep telling your self that your better.
Wow, between the spelling and the lack of understanding of what words mean, no wonder you can't kill tanks. How exactly does you surviving 3 av nades while sitting in a tank invalidate your claim that it can survive such? Since you decided to go all caps on about your playstyle, let me help you out once again. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/assumptionI didn't assume anything. You said you fired twelve volleys of swarms at a tank. Since you didn't make any mention of using av nades, you weren't close.
Assumes i had a suit with a grenade slot. nope no slot for grenades. pleast tell me know close i was again
Quote:You shouldn't all caps a word when you don't know what it means.
maybe you shoud type in the correct word here let me help you Assumption =/= Assuming
Quote: I can kill tanks with just proxies. I can also kill them with AV nades and a PLC. So yes, I am better than you.
*puts hands under chin* please tell me how leetz you are in proto gear.
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Megaman Trigger
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:53:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:General Mosquito wrote: I didn't assume anything. You said you fired twelve volleys of swarms at a tank. Since you didn't make any mention of using av nades, you weren't close.
Or was running a Commando. Just sayin' Minmando eats tanks, and it doesn't take 12 volleys. Agreed that Minmanndo made a mess of vehicles, and soon the Calmanndo will take over.
That said, I don't think the Galmanndo and Ammanndo can do the DPS with Swarms to drop a hardened HAV before the Hardeners give out, which I think is shorter than 12 volleys.
Did PRG even specify if Proto Swarms were used or did she just say swarms and leave it ambiguous?
EDIT: we're assuming race and, possibly, tier (tho that might be me)
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:56:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:General Mosquito wrote: I didn't assume anything. You said you fired twelve volleys of swarms at a tank. Since you didn't make any mention of using av nades, you weren't close.
Or was running a Commando. Just sayin' Minmando eats tanks, and it doesn't take 12 volleys. Agreed that Minmanndo made a mess of vehicles, and soon the Calmanndo will take over. That said, I don't think the Galmanndo and Ammanndo can do the DPS with Swarms to drop a hardened HAV before the Hardeners give out, which I think is shorter than 12 volleys. Did PRG even specify if Proto Swarms were used or did she just say swarms and leave it ambiguous?
no i didnt say but he is under that assumption ( correct word usage) that i was.
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Megaman Trigger
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:57:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:General Mosquito wrote: I didn't assume anything. You said you fired twelve volleys of swarms at a tank. Since you didn't make any mention of using av nades, you weren't close.
Or was running a Commando. Just sayin' Minmando eats tanks, and it doesn't take 12 volleys. Agreed that Minmanndo made a mess of vehicles, and soon the Calmanndo will take over. That said, I don't think the Galmanndo and Ammanndo can do the DPS with Swarms to drop a hardened HAV before the Hardeners give out, which I think is shorter than 12 volleys. Did PRG even specify if Proto Swarms were used or did she just say swarms and leave it ambiguous? no i didnt say but he is under that assumption ( correct word usage) that i was.
So you could have been using basic swarms on a Galmanndo, right?
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:59:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:
no i didnt say but he is under that assumption ( correct word usage) that i was.
I made no statement about the grade of the swarms, so there was no assumption in that regard.
Keep trying sparky.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:00:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:
So you could have been using basic swarms on a Galmanndo, right?
Is that the metric we are going to use now?
If someone can destroy a tank with an unbonused milita weapon then tanks are balanced?
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Megaman Trigger
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:13:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:
So you could have been using basic swarms on a Galmanndo, right?
Is that the metric we are going to use now? If someone can destroy a tank with an unbonused milita weapon then tanks are balanced?
Never said that, just figuring out whar PRG used.
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:26:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:
So you could have been using basic swarms on a Galmanndo, right?
Is that the metric we are going to use now? If someone can destroy a tank with an unbonused milita weapon then tanks are balanced?
if its a mlt tank then yes.
Next question.
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:31:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:
So you could have been using basic swarms on a Galmanndo, right?
Is that the metric we are going to use now? If someone can destroy a tank with an unbonused milita weapon then tanks are balanced? Never said that, just figuring out whar PRG used.
depends on map and who im playing with. when im alone its purple swarms on mando with a good vantage point usally engaging around 20-40m so the swarms dont do the circles around the tank or even closer if i can get a direct hit as teh swarms come out of the tube but 90% of the time its the 20-40m
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:37:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Maximus Mobius wrote:Do you know why we double or even triple stack armor hardeners? IT'S BECAUSE ANYTHING LESS AND WE'RE A PILE OF ROLLING SCRAP METAL!! Exactly and this is the biggest problem with low Raw HP high mitigation tanks. It leads to a behaviour that players have categorized as Redline Tanking. The reality is that it is just plain sensible to wait out your module cool downs in a 0 risk area. Long ago vehicles could passive tank. Long ago Sagari could be seen grazing in majestic herds of three with more 21K total eHP between them. Long ago Heavy Armour Repairers were Active! Those were the days now the millions of SP I have in tanks just collects DUST. |
General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:39:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:
depends on map and who im playing with. when im alone its purple swarms on mando with a good vantage point usally engaging around 20-40m so the swarms dont do the circles around the tank or even closer if i can get a direct hit as teh swarms come out of the tube but 90% of the time its the 20-40m
"Good vantage point" = rooftop
20-40m = bullshit.
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:44:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:
depends on map and who im playing with. when im alone its purple swarms on mando with a good vantage point usally engaging around 20-40m so the swarms dont do the circles around the tank or even closer if i can get a direct hit as teh swarms come out of the tube but 90% of the time its the 20-40m
"Good vantage point" = rooftop 20-40m = bullshit.
Wrong on the roof top part ( although ill forge from the tops when im bored)
Bullshit too i know you are a expert at it but sorry i do get 20-40m some times even closer
once again please tell me more about how i play the game
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:41:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:
Wrong on the roof top part ( although ill forge from the tops when im bored)
Bullshit too i know you are a expert at it but sorry i do get 20-40m some times even closer
once again please tell me more about how i play the game
Why don't you q up a factional against me and show me your av.
I need a good laugh.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:55:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:
Wrong on the roof top part ( although ill forge from the tops when im bored)
Bullshit too i know you are a expert at it but sorry i do get 20-40m some times even closer
once again please tell me more about how i play the game
Why don't you q up a factional against me and show me your av. I need a good laugh.
sure
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.08.14 23:22:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote: sure
Send The Attorney General a mail with your faction of choice.
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Symphony Soulsong
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.08.15 01:37:00 -
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Daddrobit wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Daddrobit wrote:And milita is literally incapable of killing any tank without the *stares at my militia forge fit.* *stops listening to Daddrobit* Wow... I mean what? I blow them to pieces and you don't? No damage mods either. Ds3 pad, no AA, and I usually practice vs Dropships... Do you not set up your target? Do you not track your shots? Do you just not try aiming? --- seriously a lot of Swarm users don't even bother learning to track a target. Do you only engage at the far end of your AV weapon? Can you not predict the (simplistic and very few) paths that a vehicle MUST take to get between targets? I'm just wondering what the REAL issue is. Look kiddo, if you're gonna make a reply to a comment, actually reading the comments you're replying to is generally considered the best practice. But in case it's just a personal comprehension disability, allow me to help you explain what was being covered a la the more simple style of a book by Dr Seuss. The Tanker and the Swarms By:Daddrobit
Our fun little story will follow the dear Mr. Feind, self proclaimed Demigod! And though it might not have been true, to cross his logic meant going to his firing squad.
But what Mr Fiend hated above all else was AV, and he despised it with such rancor! Yes it was patently obvious, (How could you miss it?) that this man was a self entitled tanker.
He cried on the forums, "One Swarm Two Swarm Three Swarm Four" "From Standard to Officer, they hurt me so bad, I just can't take it any more!"
"And who can forget Militia, oh such a horrible, devious, terrible beast!" "Yes my hardeners may have been down, but I should still get away at least?"
"Who cares about things like balance, fun, or engaging gameplay?" "I'm in a tank for goodness sakes! And I am here to stay!"
Oh yes he thought so very highly of himself, and he imagined it in so much blazing Glory, That he never expected, (t'was completely unforeseen) that he was not actually the hero of this story...
For here it is that he does enter, the clone who calls himself Daddy Much to the despair of his victims, certainly seeing him makes them very unhappy
"But wait," Daddy cried, "Stop yourself and hold long enough to let me speak." "Why would you go and attack someone when you know you yourself are very weak?"
"And militia swarms aren't nearly such a beast. Surely there were a million ways to survive" "If you died going against a man using militia swarms, then you must have been taking a dive"
"Even basic gives you plenty of time to run away. The first shots are merely a ticklish warning" "Eight seconds later is when you finally get into trouble, and after that is when you can really begin your mourning."
"But what were you doing in all of that time? Did you not know that tanks go in reverse?" "If you simply start driving away, the swarms will become impotent, and then you won't have to open up your purse."
"it must be hard to think about what I'm saying, so let me make it more simple before you start singing the blues" "Don't engage things when you know you can't win, and don't field what you can not afford to lose.
And thus content and satisfied, Daddy sat back, waiting for a reply, reclining in his chair, Hoping that the next response from a tanker wouldn't be one that would make him tug out all of his hair.
The End There, is that easier for you to understand? Now do not further antagonize me or I shall be forced to compose a Hynox-esque Novella between yourself, Maximus, Bad Furry, an Ion Cannon, and AV grenades...
Wow, Never thought I'd see Seuss being used as a Dust reference. Intelligent and creative. I tip my hat to you Sir! :}
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2015.08.15 05:46:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Maximus Mobius wrote:Do you know why we double or even triple stack armor hardeners? IT'S BECAUSE ANYTHING LESS AND WE'RE A PILE OF ROLLING SCRAP METAL!! I have been tanking since beta right before uprising and I can tell you this is the weakest tanks have ever been. At least before 1.7 we had complexity and modules and turret variation to help us combat the AV. Now we have only mlt,std,adv & pro turrets with no variation. And no mlt large turret missiles. AVers even have officer weapons and a less margin to miss with forge guns and even AHMGs are capable of destroying tanks. I remember tanking before 1.7 and we had an equal fighting ground. We had powerful active modules & turret variations and even my beloved scattered Ion cannon. Now we have jack sh*t in variation and we have almost no way to combat redline forge gunners besides luck. So shut up your 3 milita AV nades don't instantly blow up a hardened proto maddy. "I am actively aware there is a certain fit that makes me nigh upon a God, but because there is only one Godmode fit and I still sometimes die to officer weapons, tanks are hard to pilot." And to Proto weapons. And ADV, and STD....and MLT.....oh and if not using the Godmode, you lose 1million ISK....yea. It must be really hard firing swarms from the supply depot you just ran too
I've argued that a good way to balance tanks/AV is to remove the ability to switch suits at Supply Depots.
Because, that's why.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.08.15 08:01:00 -
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Because forcing someone to die and lose a full fit so they can engage you, or have to trundle about in an inferior vs infantry fit on the offchance you drop a vehicle is fair.
And no, commandos aren't the only AV fits worth talking about.
Every obsessive tanker fanboy b*tching about commandos.
Or laidais
Or both, as if you could combine the two somehow.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.15 14:11:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Because forcing someone to die and lose a full fit so they can engage you, or have to trundle about in an inferior vs infantry fit on the offchance you drop a vehicle is fair.
And no, commandos aren't the only AV fits worth talking about.
Every obsessive tanker fanboy b*tching about commandos.
Or laidais
Or both, as if you could combine the two somehow. Because they can't both exist in the same match at once. I forgot as soon as a commando is deployed, all fits with lai dais become invalid.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.08.15 14:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Because forcing someone to die and lose a full fit so they can engage you, or have to trundle about in an inferior vs infantry fit on the offchance you drop a vehicle is fair.
And no, commandos aren't the only AV fits worth talking about.
Every obsessive tanker fanboy b*tching about commandos.
Or laidais
Or both, as if you could combine the two somehow. Because they can't both exist in the same match at once. I forgot as soon as a commando is deployed, all fits with lai dais become invalid.
So...
Teamwork is unfair, somehow?
I consider that a nonfactor and automatically dismiss any complaints about vehicles exploding when dogpiled.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.15 14:31:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Because forcing someone to die and lose a full fit so they can engage you, or have to trundle about in an inferior vs infantry fit on the offchance you drop a vehicle is fair.
And no, commandos aren't the only AV fits worth talking about.
Every obsessive tanker fanboy b*tching about commandos.
Or laidais
Or both, as if you could combine the two somehow.
On "fairness" :
Are you just being dense, or do you think that fairness only applies for you? I doubt you would find any rational person who would say it is fair that a single minmando can deny ALL vehicles the flag area in a domination. Nonetheless, it is what we have. Hope your tanker has a sniper buddy, or infantry to go and clear that rooftop, or you might as well recall. It isn't "fair" but it is balanced. My tank versus a minmando is a losing proposition, but that minmando versus my squaddies in combat suits get rolled like a proper fatty.
You running into infantry in your AV suit isn't the tankers fault, and if the tanker has infantry with him, you better bring more people. Unless your definition of fair is "I win, they lose, and I don't put myself at risk when I do it"
No one forces you to spawn in an AV fit before a vehicle is on the field. That is your own foolishness, and is not an excuse for anything other than you needing some help.
Breakin Stuff wrote: Because forcing someone to die and lose a full fit so they can engage you
This is the big issue.
Absolutely, 100% an AV player should have to put themselves at risk to take a run at the tank to kill it. If you want single suits to be able to solo tanks, then they MUST be engageable. Allowing a single suit to dominate from long range(not swarms range, but forge) completely screws that balance. Allowing a single suit on a roof to shut down huge swaths of the map, especially given the rendering problems in this game is horrible gameplay for everyone except the forger. I know you want to be that guy, striking out from heaven in a 1400 hp fat suit, but it isn't good gameplay.
Why do you think that you should have to put in no risk to kill someone who is putting ISK and their ass on the line?
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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