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Cloak Dog Horizons' Edge No Context 53	Posted - 2015.06.16 03:42:00 - [1] - Quote Amarr is the racist race that took advantage of the situation to start slavery again. The Minmatar are the people who became inslaved for I don't know why, color or something. They rebel, thats cool. I like this game. Gallente has the only good government when it comes to freedom fighting, and I have no idea why they hate Caldari. I can assume its because Caldari supplies anyone with anything as long as there is profit to be made. That sounds pretty legit, I'd start a war over that. Caldari sucks eggs. Mercenaries are like Caldari, shoot anything for anyone if there is a profit to be made. Also I think its cool how your a mercenary and not a caldari or gallente loyalist. Although I prefer Gallente but also like Caldari weapons ** there business smarts. Something about Caldari Prime, blah bleh lotsa death. Black Eagles scouts are really freaking awesome. Amarr ladies can rock dat battle skirt. Allies become enemies with the enemies allies, yadda yadda I want a movie. I think I covered everything important. If not please I want to know moar so I can have a reason to keep playing this game. I'm more bark then bite...sometimes... "KLAAA PLASMAAAA!!!"**
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.16 03:54:00 - [2] - Quote Holy cow dude, this is all wrong. Alright, so this is going to be a very long post so give me a second to get it all together. This is going to be Metal Gear Solid Cutscene long. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 03:59:00 - [3] - Quote This is a job only True has the patients for... "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 04:01:00 - [4] - Quote Totes! "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 04:03:00 - [5] - Quote We need True, STAT! *"The humanoid cyclone stampede"* - Russel Mendoza All scouts, join the Scouts United chat.
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 04:11:00 - [6] - Quote i can either tell and inform you everything about the minmatar or just give you links... but ill just tell you and provide links after each explanation! and hopefully true can come here and tell you about the amarr. Kin of the Vherokior tribe I'm a pure minmatar loyalist I discuss things based on EVE lore.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 04:19:00 - [7] - Quote The fundamental of the EvE universe is that in the large scale of things everyone has the potential of good and bad forming a clouded silver lining that isn't so black and white as you described. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 04:34:00 - [8] - Quote You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut. The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past. Tbh just read the evelopedia "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 799	Posted - 2015.06.16 04:40:00 - [9] - Quote The Caldari were originally part of the federation. At some point we decided to start doing our own things, the Gallente wanted us to start reporting to them what we were doing. We decided we didn't like that answer. Then wars started, and more Gallente decided to leave. There's a bit more to it, but that's the gist of it. Shields, the silent killer.
Cloak Dog Horizons' Edge No Context 54	Posted - 2015.06.16 04:43:00 - [10] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut. The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past. Tbh just read the evelopedia THERES AND EVELOPEDIA AAAHHHHHHHH SERIOUSLY. I'm more bark then bite...sometimes... "KLAAA PLASMAAAA!!!"

VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 04:53:00 - [11] - Quote Cloak Dog wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut. The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past. Tbh just read the evelopedia THERES AND EVELOPEDIA AAAHHHHHHHH SERIOUSLY. =ƒîá The more you know. *"The humanoid cyclone stampede"* - Russel Mendoza All scouts, join the Scouts United chat.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:01:00 - [12] - Quote Seriously.......... I'd be glad to educate you. Starting with the Amarr being more of less my speciality. That being said there is something you need to understand first. Right and wrong mean very little in New Eden. The four major factions all have glaring flaws that set them apart form their counterparts and contemporary examples of similar cultures. For instance, and to clarify you, the Amarr are not a racist people who took advantage of a situation to institute racism 'again.' What they are is a theocratic empire composed of many trillions of believers all of whom agree that it is their divine mandate to unite the cluster as one people and that slavery is but one of many ways to achieve that unity. The Amarr were more or less , though they don't know this, the descendants of religious colonists who passed through the EVE gate and were thrown into a social and technological dark age when the gate collapsed scattering them across the surface of a temperate desert world known as Athra. They experiences immediate persecution for their beliefs during the earliest years of recorded history being forced from the main continental drift known as Assimia to a small isle known as Amarr Island where they split into groups led by Warlords all of whom answered to a united church. Eventually one warlord, Amarr Asakura united the factions and formed the first Empire, establishing a medieval nobility and peasant class. United as one Empire the newly forged Amarr took to the main continent where the city states of the Udorians lay and began to wage intermittent wars with them slowly claiming more and more of the continent. The Amarr then formed an alliance with another people, the Khanid, and waged a joint conflict against the Udorians until eventually the last few resisting cities fell to the Amarr all before the modern age of automatic weapons. What the Amarr however were to do with an entire people post war having formerly pressed Udorian sailors into service in their armies was then the logical step. Using an obscure reference from the Scriptures, the Amarrian religious text, the precedent was set that the Amarr could morally enslave the Udorians and rule over them. They did this for a time until it became well practiced that after several generations of good service slave were to be freed and made full Amarrian citizens. This trend persisted well into the era of space flight where the Amarr eventually discovered other fragments of humanity on other far flung worlds. These people they too enslaved, easily dominating them with technological supremacy. It was here the concept of Reclaiming, a religious war of conquest became a powerful driving force in Amarr culture, with them believing that it was their divine role to gather the fragments of humankind and mold them into one people. It was also at this time the Amarr began cruelly experimenting on the captives in what was known as the Human Endurance Project. Anyhow this persisted into the Unchallenged Era where the Amarr encountered the Minmatar, a people who had reached space flight technology and called themselves the Minmatar Empire. This was the first time the Amarr had ever truly encountered another race like the Minmatar and capitalising like you said on a planet wide storm the Amarr flooded the system, crushed the resistance, and depopulated entire worlds taking billions of Minmatar as slaves. They did this every few years crushing Matari technological developments each time. Eventually the Amarr encountered the Gallente and the Caldari, the former who loathed the practice of slavery and conspired with a fifth known entity the Jovian Directorate to liberate the Minmatar. Unknowingly the Amarr manoeuvred themselves into a corner declaring war on the Jovians, a vastly superior technological entity, fighting a battle at Vak' Atioth where an entire 200 ship squadron of the Imperial Navy equipped with the latest technologies fought Jovian Frigates, Cruisers, and a lone Mothership. The Amarrian fleet was annihilated to a man their ships ordered to hold their ground no matter the cost though destroying one in every three Jovian vessels. In the wake of that defeat across the cluster billions of Matari slaves rose up against the Amarr with Jovian and Gallentean aid starting a bloody war that was known of the Great Rebellion. Millions of Amarr died. Hundred of Millions of Minmatar perished as well. If we skip ahead to the modern age we exist in the Amarr are actually a much more mild people than they were. The role of Holders, the Amarrian nobility, was reaffirmed as a role of caring for slaves so that they could transition into Amarrian society while the Emperor of the time Heideran VIII declared that the act of 'slave taking' was to be outlawed. Nowadays more reasonable heads prevail in the Empire and slave taking it at an all time low barring the illegal actions of slavers whom the Amarr punish fiercely. The Amarr however still fight their war against the Minmatar who are unwilling to let the past die and were recently subject to an attack by Minmatar fleets whom broke inter-empire law only to have that fleet smashed aside over Sarum Prime. Understanding the Amarr means looking at them from their perspective. They do not and have never seen slavery as wrong, nor is it an institution solely designed to benefit from a cheap labour force. They genuinely believe that by bringing the Minmatar into the Empire they are doing them good and slowly helping them understand God. More over they would be considered arrogant by our standards but that is due to the widely held belief that as Amarrians they are a chosen people charged with ruling the masses. However ironically life in the Empire is about as normal as one could get. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:06:00 - [13] - Quote Sadly the small 'informative' segments at the start of game and in media are horrifically biased in favour of 'liberals'. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:08:00 - [14] - Quote True: the all wise. *"The humanoid cyclone stampede"* - Russel Mendoza All scouts, join the Scouts United chat.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:10:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sadly the small 'informative' segments at the start of game and in media are horrifically biased in favour of 'liberals'. FREEEDOM! TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
Cloak Dog Horizons' Edge No Context 55	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:12:00 - [16] - Quote Soooooo, the Amarr were religious freaks, which eventually learned their lesson. But the Minmatar still hate them for it COOL.TELL ME MORE. :O I'm more bark then bite...sometimes... "KLAAA PLASMAAAA!!!"
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:14:00 - [17] - Quote Amarr and Minmatar Relationship simply put: Amarr think it's their goddamn right to rule over the "Inferior" Minmatar. Well, it's my goddamn right to shove a knife up their arse that I stole from Caldari and tell em' to get real. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:16:00 - [18] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Amarr and Minmatar Relationship simply put: Amarr think it's their goddamn right to rule over the "Inferior" Minmatar. Well, it's my goddamn right to shove a knife up their arse that I stole from Caldari and tell em' to get real. It is my right, my freedom blessed right, to tell you that you are stupid. *"The humanoid cyclone stampede"* - Russel Mendoza All scouts, join the Scouts United chat.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:17:00 - [19] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Amarr and Minmatar Relationship simply put: Amarr think it's their goddamn right to guide the "Inferior" races of New Eden. Well, it's my goddamn right to kneel before them while telling them we're sorry "lets be pals". It's the only way and I you know it "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:20:00 - [20] - Quote now where to start... i think ill just start with our people. for us Minmatar, we believe that we should be able to take care of ourselves, but our kin and family play a very important role in our lives as well. though we are one race as an entity, we prefer to identify ourselves by the clan we are from and most Minmatar specialize in one area of activity; While those who live on a planet focus on agricultural or industrial activities, but there are others who travel around New Eden to concentrate on trading, pirating, and and all sorts of other careers out there. before the Amarr invasion and them enslaving Minmatar people, we use to war against each other for various reasons, but we have learned that cooperation is more important but we still identify ourselves by our tribe, but we form as one when acting towards other empires. as you know or may not know we are the largest of the empires and a fifth of our people are in Gallente space and many Minmatar are still enslaved as well. history and other important information about our people The Amarr invasion or what we call, Day of Darkness The Amarr first discovered us Minmatar early in 22355 AD. they found us as a potential threat and scouted us out, finding out what our defenses and capabilities were and eventually attacked when the tie was right. there initial attack was on Pator while a massive storm was also occurring as well. and at the time we weren't exactly ready for a large scale fight against the Amarr, not having fought a battle of that scale for centuries and them already having destroyed much of Pator already. afterwards they started sending in their slave vessels and enslaving all the survivors of the planets they attacked. Day of Darkness/amarr invasion Minmatar rebellion the minmatar rebellion started when our elders came out of hiding and had brought a large fleet with them in order to free as many enslaved Minmatar as possible, they did this at the time of the Amarr and Jovian war, and in doing so they now claimed as to what is known today as the Minmatar Republic. Minmatar Rebellion Post Rebellion Many of us Minmatar went on to be freedom fighters, raiding Amarr slave colonies, but they were considered terrorist by CONCORD and were denounced by the republic leaving some of us feeling betrayed by our leaders. a but later on the republic found out that there were still Starkmanir in the Amarr mandate and we had assembled a fleet of Thukker and naval ships to set course to the mandate and free the Starkmanir, and anyone else who wanted to come back to the republic as well. In late YC111, Empress Jamyl I emancipated all of the Minmatar slaves in the Empire who were 9th generation or greater.Millions of Minmatar were suddenly free to leave the Empire and return to the Republic. slavery slavery was a well known practice throughout all nations, but stopped in the republic after the amarr invasion. nowadays the Minmatar republic formed the tribal assembly now for our government and are becoming more independent as time goes on. Kin of the Vherokior tribe I'm a pure minmatar loyalist I discuss things based on EVE lore.

Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:20:00 - [21] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Amarr and Minmatar Relationship simply put: Amarr think it's their goddamn right to rule over the "Inferior" Minmatar. Well, it's my goddamn right to shove a knife up their arse that I stole from Caldari and tell em' to get real. It is my right, my freedom blessed right, to tell you that you are stupid. It's my freedom blessed right to tell you that you are too. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:23:00 - [22] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Amarr: Mercy upon me Heathen! Minmtar: Slices Amarr head off "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:26:00 - [23] - Quote "The Vherokior privately feel very good about recent events, but generally shy away from displaying this appreciation publicly. They're cautiously optimistic, but at the same time prepared for setbacks." this is exactly how i am IRL Kin of the Vherokior tribe I'm a pure minmatar loyalist I discuss things based on EVE lore.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:28:00 - [24] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Amarr:One Matar, two Matar, three Matar, four, how many can I score Minmtar: Runs away flailing arms Nah B. I'm an ass irl we can do this all night ;) "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:29:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'll start with the Gallente and Caldari relationship since it's the one I know most intricately. I'll keep things in layman's terms because it can get confusing quick [...] the Amarr brought the Minmatar into the Space age NO! The Minmatar had a thriviving peaceful empire where the tribes were united. They already had space travel, and in fact they colonized 3 solar system. Don't spread misinformation about the Minmatar. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." sources: 1, 2 You make it sound like the Amarr brought the Minmatar forward, but really they just halted the progress we were already making on our own. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:30:00 - [26] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: "The Vherokior privately feel very good about recent events, but generally shy away from displaying this appreciation publicly. They're cautiously optimistic, but at the same time prepared for setbacks." this is exactly how i am IRL I loved the little back story to the elders you link to, kinda wish CCP did something similar for the Amarr "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:33:00 - [27] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Amarr:One Amarr, two Amarr, three Amarr, four! We've got you surrounded Matar Scum. Minmtar: Slice Slice Slice One Amarr, two Amarr, three Amarr, Slice None. Not by the hair on my big brown bum! "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:40:00 - [28] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut. The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past. Tbh just read the evelopedia The Amarr view of slavery as a trial of faith (not "trail") is frankly pretty silly. Many subsequent generations descended from slaves will live die as slaves. If they truly wanted to just convert people, they would take the offspring of the first generation, raise them just like they raise regular Amarr children, and they will easily assimilate into the religion and society. Newborn Amarr children don't have to suffer trials of faith through slavery, so why should newborn children of any other race suffer it when they could just be raised as Amarr? If they used the method I described, the enslaved Minmatar could have been all converted and assimilated after the first 100 yrs, with the first defiant generation already dead -- personally I think that would have sucked, but it does prove that their claims of it being about religious integration is BS. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:43:00 - [29] - Quote I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Rule 34.6.1: every parody will have a crossover
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:48:00 - [30] - Quote updated my post. added in some stuff about the elders Kin of the Vherokior tribe I'm a pure minmatar loyalist I discuss things based on EVE lore.

Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:57:00 - [31] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut. The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past. Tbh just read the evelopedia The Amarr view of slavery as a trial of faith (not "trail") is frankly pretty silly. Many subsequent generations descended from slaves will live die as slaves. If they truly wanted to just convert people, they would take the offspring of the first generation, raise them just like they raise regular Amarr children, and they will easily assimilate into the religion and society. Newborn Amarr children don't have to suffer trials of faith through slavery, so why should newborn children of any other race suffer it when they could just be raised as Amarr? If they used the method I described, the enslaved Minmatar could have been all converted and assimilated after the first 100 yrs, with the first defiant generation already dead -- personally I think that would have sucked, but it does prove that their claims of it being about religious integration is BS. Well besides the nit pick at my spelling mistake, its the lore I didn't make it and its well known that slavery is an important part of the empires economy so getting rid a free laber would be considered " stupid " when you could just say hey I found this in that book between the shelf and have millions of people go with it as its considered "divine right" but again it's just lore no need to try to rationalize it. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 389	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:57:00 - [32] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! Yassavi Approved. -Aero Yassavi
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:59:00 - [33] - Quote Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! they underestimate the power of ducttape Kin of the Vherokior tribe I'm a pure minmatar loyalist I discuss things based on EVE lore.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:02:00 - [34] - Quote There is right and wrong in all of this. Philosophers can debate these things. Spiritual men can seek atonement or find forgiveness in their hearts. I'm here for blood, motherf*ckers. PSN: RationalSpark
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:02:00 - [35] - Quote Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! While that made me giggle, the Matar were not the most advanced considering the Amarr had lasers, conquered vastly more systems than the Minmatar, and you know... The whole reclaiming thing :D "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 390	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:05:00 - [36] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! While that made me giggle, the Matar were not the most advanced considering the Amarr had lasers, conquered vastly more systems than the Minmatar, and you know... The whole reclaiming thing :D BUUUUUTTTT, in their minds, I'm sure they thought they were the most advanced at the time. Whether in fact they were or not, they didn't know that until they were already slaves. Yassavi Approved. -Aero Yassavi
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:06:00 - [37] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut. The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past. Tbh just read the evelopedia The Amarr view of slavery as a trial of faith (not "trail") is frankly pretty silly. Many subsequent generations descended from slaves will live die as slaves. If they truly wanted to just convert people, they would take the offspring of the first generation, raise them just like they raise regular Amarr children, and they will easily assimilate into the religion and society. Newborn Amarr children don't have to suffer trials of faith through slavery, so why should newborn children of any other race suffer it when they could just be raised as Amarr? If they used the method I described, the enslaved Minmatar could have been all converted and assimilated after the first 100 yrs, with the first defiant generation already dead -- personally I think that would have sucked, but it does prove that their claims of it being about religious integration is BS. Well besides the nit pick at my spelling mistake, its the lore I didn't make it and its well known that slavery is an important part of the empires economy so getting rid a free laber would be considered " stupid " when you could just say hey I found this in that book between the shelf and have millions of people go with it as its considered "divine right" but again it's just lore no need to try to rationalize it. I do get that's what the Amarr claim in the lore, but it just seems disingenuous on their part for the reasons I explained. Also the slave labor could have been replaced with cheap drones that don't need to be fed and can run on solar power or something. And seriously, the spelling this is kind of rampant in your posts, and it distracts from intelligent things you may have to say. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:22:00 - [38] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut. The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past. Tbh just read the evelopedia The Amarr view of slavery as a trial of faith (not "trail") is frankly pretty silly. Many subsequent generations descended from slaves will live die as slaves. If they truly wanted to just convert people, they would take the offspring of the first generation, raise them just like they raise regular Amarr children, and they will easily assimilate into the religion and society. Newborn Amarr children don't have to suffer trials of faith through slavery, so why should newborn children of any other race suffer it when they could just be raised as Amarr? If they used the method I described, the enslaved Minmatar could have been all converted and assimilated after the first 100 yrs, with the first defiant generation already dead -- personally I think that would have sucked, but it does prove that their claims of it being about religious integration is BS. Well besides the nit pick at my spelling mistake, its the lore I didn't make it and its well known that slavery is an important part of the empires economy so getting rid a free laber would be considered " stupid " when you could just say hey I found this in that book between the shelf and have millions of people go with it as its considered "divine right" but again it's just lore no need to try to rationalize it. I do get that's what the Amarr claim in the lore, but it just seems disingenuous on their part for the reasons I explained. Also the slave labor could have been replaced with cheap drones that don't need to be fed and can run on solar power or something. And seriously, the spelling this is kind of rampant in your posts, and it distracts from intelligent things you may have to say. The Amarr are a conservative empire built on tradition and strict theocratic society with an almost feudal social system. Simply changing at the whim is not a charatistic of them. Unlike the Khanid that seem fully "aware" of their slavery and views on it but still adapt at a fast past just like the Caldari. Really it just comes down to culture which is an almost impossible "flaw" to change as the real world shows as evedent. On the spelling, can't please everyone so deal with it :D "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:34:00 - [39] - Quote Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! Then the Jove come and the matari and amarri **** their pants. =ƒÆ«
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 391	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:49:00 - [40] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! Then the Jove come and the matari and amarri **** their pants. Well wouldn't everyone? Not just them? Haha. Yassavi Approved. -Aero Yassavi

Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 417	Posted - 2015.06.16 09:15:00 - [41] - Quote It's 2am, I just found this thread, and my blood is boiling right now. I want to educate, truly I do. If only to make you red pill and join glorious Caldari master race. The mind is willing, but the body is weak. If this is still up in the morning we are going to have a few words. *Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!* > --Killer of Snowfall Station--
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 0	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:18:00 - [42] - Quote What it is to be Caldari If we are going to talk about lore regarding the Caldari the best way to explain Caldari society is to first deal with the misconceptions. First of the whole authoritarian image of Caldari society falls down to the militaristic behaviour the megacorporationGÇÖs exhibit due to the discipline of our Nation and the constant war as a race we have endured which leads to our militaristic and aggressive tendencies. Culturally we are unwilling to corrupt our way of life and this is one of the issues other races have when trying to deal with us as we have a set way of how we conduct ourselves. To be Caldari is not one singular race either so ideas that the state are innately racist are untrue we are a collection of founder races that form the Caldari nation. Which broken down today are the Deteis, Civire and Achura all of which are individual and unique in their physical appearance and there ideology and temperaments but all of which identify as Caldari and live by shared principles and codes of conduct. Though it must be made clear that the state has no religion and neither of the distinct Caldari groups are in anyway spiritual in terms of believing in a god, the spiritual Achura themselves are what could be considered as future Buddhism and the spiritual teachings are in the form of purity but as a Deteis I have little interest in spiritual teachings other than the respect and protection of the beliefs held by the Achura as Caldari citizens. We are an atheist nation and do not believe in the supernatural. Those that fall out of these groups in terms of the other bloodlines that make up the state are expatriates mostly ethnic Gallente, Intaki and khanid origin. The majority of which are individuals that evacuated with the state with the loss of Caldari Prime to the Newly formed state. Little to no emphasis is placed on ethnic background with most identifying as Caldari first, followed by their loyalty to their parent corporation. Ethnic Caldari though make up 95-99% of the state but it must be made clear that expatriates from the other races are welcomed into the state so long as they follow the roles and are willing to meld into the Caldari society. Though it is their children that are born in the State that will receive the full myriad of benefits that full citizenship can bring alongside access to free and full medical services that are provided to every citizen as well as education to the highest standard for every individual. The corporate Capitalism The state as it should be known is governed like none of the other factions being made up of eight distinct mega corporations each of which holding dictatorial powers but each of which being bound by the same Caldari customs and laws as the individual, with the fierce, continual competition by each of the corporations ensuring a healthy, consumer-based social environment which benefits everyone with no corporation holding absolute domination. But it must be made clear that profits are not and never will be the only concern for any Caldari but the betterment of the entire state. Greed and self-preservation are not traits that Caldari share and are indeed frowned upon with no individual being placed as more valuable than another. Self-sacrifice is indeed the Caldari way and every citizen is willing and prepared to protect the state and their fellow citizens when the need arises. What must be made clear is that the state is a form of democracy that works in a radical fashion alongside the idea of meritocracy which is the manner in which you are valued within the state through hard work. No position in the state is safe from demotion even as a CEO of a megacorporation with those who show drive and skill in their profession able to rise in the ranks based purely on personal achievement and success and the lack of which leads to demotion which no family tie or connection can change as positions in the state must be earned not inherited. These corporations are then managed and controlled by the Chief Executive Panel a political entity jointly owned and run by each of the eight mega corporations with a CEO from each on the panel board to ensure that companies are kept in line when competing with each other and the smoothing over of potential conflicts before they escalate out of control. The Chief Executive Panel (CEP) also handles foreign policy of the state and is the closest thing to the government that the Caldari have with the panel holding executive authority over the Caldari Navy these independent organisations make up the remains of the state where 90% of all property in the state belongs to the Big Eight. The house of records was also set up by mutual agreement as a central source for record keeping across the entire state acting as a national archive for every transaction, business deal and government interaction. Then you have the Caldari Business Tribunal which operates independently of the eight mega corporations as the second most powerful entity in the state to mediate in, modify or cancel any deal, transaction, or agreement made between corporations within the state. With the lowest unemployment rate across all factions of 1.84% which of those unemployed will be in their position by their own doing either by an unwillingness to work, incompetence and crime with plentiful opportunities being provided within the state by each of the mega corporations who also provide relevant housing, medical care for employees alongside the myriad of benefits. So while disciplined corporate culture it is one that rewards hard work. For the glorious Caldari State
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 0	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:20:00 - [43] - Quote Corporate Control To explain life within the state you must understand that each corporation governs its own territories and provides its own security and corporate laws that its citizens must abide by. With each mega corporation having a force that can dwarf the entirety of the Caldari Navy combined. It also must be made clear that these mega corporations are made up thousands of companies ranging in size and profession. But when threatened as whole the state unites to defend one another as a unified state with corporate identity second to the Caldari identity and personal grievances between competing corporations are quickly forgotten in times of war. So to threaten a single company of a corporation within the state as an outsider you can soon find yourself facing the entire might of the state as it seeks to defend its own. As a Caldari Loyalist I take great care and interest in understanding the state and all of which that is mentioned here is of personal knowledge backed by evidence of the EVE Source book, so if you really want to understand the lore that is your best manner in which to learn. If you have any questions feel free to ask but rather than try to cover everything I am just covering some basic principles that make up the state and our identity. For the glorious Caldari State
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:56:00 - [44] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! While that made me giggle, the Matar were not the most advanced considering the Amarr had lasers, conquered vastly more systems than the Minmatar, and you know... The whole reclaiming thing :D They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. Rule 34.6.1: every parody will have a crossover
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 14:07:00 - [45] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! While that made me giggle, the Matar were not the most advanced considering the Amarr had lasers, conquered vastly more systems than the Minmatar, and you know... The whole reclaiming thing :D They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. My interpretation of "mechanical excellence" is that the Minmatar's way of always having modular systems with their creations that allow modifications a the whim. Look at the SMG and Cr basically the same but with a few added parts. In the book Templar One there's a section in the book were a Matar General is walking around the defense of his outpost and he is disgusted by the sight of Minmatar turrets integrated with Amarrians targeting systems. That right there shows their ingenuity or "mechanical excellence". "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Cloak Dog Horizons' Edge No Context 56	Posted - 2015.06.16 14:37:00 - [46] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! While that made me giggle, the Matar were not the most advanced considering the Amarr had lasers, conquered vastly more systems than the Minmatar, and you know... The whole reclaiming thing :D They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. My interpretation of "mechanical excellence" is that the Minmatar's way of always having modular systems with their creations that allow modifications a the whim. Look at the SMG and Cr basically the same but with a few added parts. In the book Templar One there's a section in the book were a Matar General is walking around the defense of his outpost and he is disgusted by the sight of Minmatar turrets integrated with Amarrians targeting systems. That right there shows their ingenuity or "mechanical excellence". Just an observation, maybe the 'mechanical excellence' could be why minmatar suits are so freaking fast without extra biotic modules. Just and observation. >v> I'm more bark then bite...sometimes... "KLAAA PLASMAAAA!!!"
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 15:06:00 - [47] - Quote for many reasons. the jovians are the most powerful race in the game but a lot of them are dead because of the jovian disease, a disease they created because they modified their bodies way too much. and no one knows what the jove have besides what a few of their ships look like and what the drifters are using and doing. Kin of the Vherokior tribe I'm a pure minmatar loyalist I discuss things based on EVE lore.
VikingKong iBUN 0uter.Heaven 421	Posted - 2015.06.16 15:28:00 - [48] - Quote Yaay, story time! thanks guys I would like a Gallente SMG. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.16 15:53:00 - [49] - Quote I have a couple questions. @Kirk - Why do the Gallente and Caldari continue to fight? From what I understand from what you wrote, the Caldari wanted independence from the Federation. Do the Gallente still not want the Caldari to be independent? @True - Did the Amarr not try to enslave the Gallente and Caldari as well? If not, what made them different from the Minmatar? And why did the Amarr start by trying to enslave the Jovians? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 16:44:00 - [50] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a couple questions. @Kirk - Why do the Gallente and Caldari continue to fight? From what I understand from what you wrote, the Caldari wanted independence from the Federation. Do the Gallente still not want the Caldari to be independent? @True - Did the Amarr not try to enslave the Gallente and Caldari as well? If not, what made them different from the Minmatar? And why did the Amarr start by trying to enslave the Jovians? The Amarr considered it but came to the conclusion that the war would total destroy both empires and put them into debt. Caldari, well an enemy of my enemy is a friend. But fun fact the Khanid Kingdom had multiple incursions into gallente space and now have one of the federations pop star as a slave to Khanid II. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."

sir RAVEN WING 3	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:02:00 - [51] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Amarr and Minmatar Relationship simply put: Amarr think it's their goddamn right to rule over the "Inferior" Minmatar. Well, it's my goddamn right to shove a knife up their arse that I stole from Caldari and tell em' to get real. You bought it from us... like you do many things... Raven for CPM2 Shield buff, focus on balancing of weapons, and vehicles. New Content if possible + PS4 port.
Dremel wp Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 69	Posted - 2015.06.16 19:35:00 - [52] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T84nrp08MWo&index=39&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 20:37:00 - [53] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. Not even remotely what I would consider technological supremacy over the other races Scheneighnay. The Minmatar Empire [what it was supposedly called at the time] was developed to the point of space flight age however had I suppose you could say was relatively new to it or cautious only having colonised localised system. If the Minmatar did have such and advanced level of technology they did not show it either in their colonisation attempts or in the short few hours it took a few thousand Amarrians to capture billions of Minmatar. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 20:48:00 - [54] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a couple questions. @True - Did the Amarr not try to enslave the Gallente and Caldari as well? If not, what made them different from the Minmatar? And why did the Amarr start by trying to enslave the Jovians? This is the simple answer to the long question. When the Amarr encountered the Gallente they displayed a technological prowess that defied the Amarrian ability to explain. In this case I believe it was the Microwarp Drive that had thrown the initial expeditionary corps into disarray. In this case rather than being able to properly observe the Gallenteans as they had done the Minmatar they took a more reserved approach eventually discovering that the Gallente Federation was a close technological ally and the first truly unified star spanning race they'd encountered. Unlike the Gallentean Federation that was hardened by decades of conflict against the Caldari the Amarrian Navy was better suited for patrolling space lanes and subjugating technologically inferior entities with superior force. It was decided that of the targets presenting themselves there was little to gain from engaging the Gallente in an all out war. Which is why if I am not mistaken the Amarr turned to the enigmatic Jove who appeared to be weaker than they were. Perhaps it can be put down to over confidence that the Amarr began to mass against the Jove having recently emerged from dozens of successful previous conquests. Udorian, Ealur. Ni-Kunni, Minmatar, etc. They massed a small arm of the Imperial Navy, 200 sub capital vessels with the latest armour and laser technology, and announced their intent to conquer the Jove. The battle was to be set in a section of space known as Vak Atioth which resulted in a loss by the Amarrian forces attributed to numerous factors. The ships captains were ordered to hold the field, Jovian Intelligence was impeccable, a sympathiser sold out the Amarr to the Jove, and the Jove had several thousand years of technological advancements over the Amarr. Despite the total annihilation of the fleet the Amarr did not cyno in any further vessels including Dreadnaughts which they had developed, and regrouped in Amarrian space. As for the Caldari? I think it was universally agreed that the Empire and State would make good allies in a pragmatic sense. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 20:54:00 - [55] - Quote I also have a few other points to dispute mainly with Kage but I already know how he feels on the subject. One big important part of the Amarrian-Minmatar debate is the difficulty I have trying to explain the stand point and culture of the Amarr to most players and trying to discuss the topic where Minmatar players can step out of their preconceived notion of "The Grand Democratic World" and critically look at both groups. I often think I sound like an Amarrian apologist but I feel it necessary to try to explain the social and cultural nuances. Also in terms of IC [In character opinion] I stand with the Amarrian Pro-Heideran Pragmatic Liberalists. I'm not against liberalism like some staunch Ardishapurites are but I accept that it's not a perfect concept and am willing to use it pragmatically to advance my personal agenda in the NOBLE TASH-MURKON WAY! "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.16 21:04:00 - [56] - Quote Amarr did actually try to conquer the gallente. The gallente love affair with killer drones was actually brought that offensive to a screeching halt. Relatively few gallente were actually engaged, but those damn drone carriers... Yes I actually do read the lore. Bugger off. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 21:08:00 - [57] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I also have a few other points to dispute mainly with Kage but I already know how he feels on the subject. One big important part of the Amarrian-Minmatar debate is the difficulty I have trying to explain the stand point and culture of the Amarr to most players and trying to discuss the topic where Minmatar players can step out of their preconceived notion of "The Grand Democratic World" and critically look at both groups. I often think I sound like an Amarrian apologist but I feel it necessary to try to explain the social and cultural nuances. Also in terms of IC [In character opinion] I stand with the Amarrian Pro-Heideran Pragmatic Liberalists. I'm not against liberalism like some staunch Ardishapurites are but I accept that it's not a perfect concept and am willing to use it pragmatically to advance my personal agenda in the NOBLE TASH-MURKON WAY! Oh you lost me at the end... Khanid Kingdom!!!! ( were have you aero been) "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.16 21:12:00 - [58] - Quote I forgot to mention that the amarr/gallente conflict ended decisively in stalemate. Edit: fixed for clarity WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 21:19:00 - [59] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I forgot the amarr/gallente conflict ended decisively in stalemate. Well there was that time that Uriam Kador invaded Solitude in the Gallente Federation and when threatened by a retaliatory fleet instead of the Empress massing the Empire for war she simply allowed the Gallente to attack the Kador homeworld directly. Brilliant political move in hind sight with her publicly castigating the Heir and appropriating his personal fleet to merge it with the Imperial 7th Fleet in Aridia renewing it. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.06.16 22:10:00 - [60] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. Not even remotely what I would consider technological supremacy over the other races Scheneighnay. The Minmatar Empire [what it was supposedly called at the time] was developed to the point of space flight age however had I suppose you could say was relatively new to it or cautious only having colonised localised system. If the Minmatar did have such and advanced level of technology they did not show it either in their colonisation attempts or in the short few hours it took a few thousand Amarrians to capture billions of Minmatar. There's more to technology than just weapons. The reason for their lack of colonization wasn't because they were afraid or because they didn't have the technology for it, it's because there was little incentive for it. Matar is a natural paradise, even more so before the invasion. Not much reason to go far when you can get everything you need nearby. (The early Amarr empire nearly broke apart from over population and a stagnant economy.) The success of the Amarrian invasion is due the fact that the Minmatar had been at peace for centuries, and was unaware of any other advanced race. (The Gallente and Caldari made contact early on, and the Amarrians made contact with the Udorians early as well. The Minmatar however were alone within their region.) Thus little reason to improve weapons or build defenses. The Amarr also had waited to invade just as the largest storm on the planet happened. Now these facts shouldn't detract from the technology the Minmatar did have. The fact that the most numerous race managed to live prosperously on such little land and was capable of production of pretty advanced technology without international trade is pretty amazing. Whatever it is they were doing, it was clearly super efficient and beyond what every other race was doing. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." I will say however, the fact that this line is never gone into any more detail is infuriating to me, because there is such ambiguity involved. One of the most important things to make note of though is that the Minmatar empire was *flourishing*. Meaning any Amarrian justification for the invasion involving uplifting the Minmatar or saving them from squalor is a total lie. "The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."

Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 22:29:00 - [61] - Quote First Prophet wrote: True Adamance wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. Not even remotely what I would consider technological supremacy over the other races Scheneighnay. The Minmatar Empire [what it was supposedly called at the time] was developed to the point of space flight age however had I suppose you could say was relatively new to it or cautious only having colonised localised system. If the Minmatar did have such and advanced level of technology they did not show it either in their colonisation attempts or in the short few hours it took a few thousand Amarrians to capture billions of Minmatar. There's more to technology than just weapons. The reason for their lack of colonization wasn't because they were afraid or because they didn't have the technology for it, it's because there was little incentive for it. Matar is a natural paradise, even more so before the invasion. Not much reason to go far when you can get everything you need nearby. (The early Amarr empire nearly broke apart from over population and a stagnant economy.) The success of the Amarrian invasion is due the fact that the Minmatar had been at peace for centuries, and was unaware of any other advanced race. (The Gallente and Caldari made contact early on, and the Amarrians made contact with the Udorians early as well. The Minmatar however were alone within their region.) Thus little reason to improve weapons or build defenses. The Amarr also had waited to invade just as the largest storm on the planet happened. Now these facts shouldn't detract from the technology the Minmatar did have. The fact that the most numerous race managed to live prosperously on such little land and was capable of production of pretty advanced technology without international trade is pretty amazing. Whatever it is they were doing, it was clearly super efficient and beyond what every other race was doing. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." I will say however, the fact that this line is never gone into any more detail is infuriating to me, because there is such ambiguity involved. One of the most important things to make note of though is that the Minmatar empire was *flourishing*. Meaning any Amarrian justification for the invasion involving uplifting the Minmatar or saving them from squalor is a total lie. The planet of Pator had many tribal wars as evedent in the Elder lore saying they had been peaceful is false when they only united as one to combat the Amarr. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.06.16 23:18:00 - [62] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: The planet of Pator had many tribal wars as evedent in the Elder lore saying they had been peaceful is false when they only united as one to combat the Amarr. Pator is the system. Not the planet. The planet is Matar. "However, having known no large-scale warfare for centuries" I've not seen a date on when the tribal wars happened so I'm not sure how long they were between the invasion, but I'm fairly certain I read Matar was at peace for 600 years before the Amarrian invasion. I'll look more into finding a source for that later. "The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.16 23:22:00 - [63] - Quote I have a little problem. From what I've been reading, I do think I support the Caldari, but I also support the Minmatar. Is there any way I can justify this lore-wise? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 23:28:00 - [64] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a little problem. From what I've been reading, I do think I support the Caldari, but I also support the Minmatar. Is there any way I can justify this lore-wise? well the minmatar and caldari are neutral towards each other i dont see why some caldari here and there wouldnt support minmatar Kin of the Vherokior tribe and warrior of the republic
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 23:30:00 - [65] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The planet of Pator had many tribal wars as evedent in the Elder lore saying they had been peaceful is false when they only united as one to combat the Amarr. Pator is the system. Not the planet. The planet is Matar. "However, having known no large-scale warfare for centuries" I've not seen a date on when the tribal wars happened so I'm not sure how long they were between the invasion, but I'm fairly certain I read Matar was at peace for 600 years before the Amarrian invasion. I'll look more into finding a source for that later. Cool let me know what you find! "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.16 23:31:00 - [66] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a little problem. From what I've been reading, I do think I support the Caldari, but I also support the Minmatar. Is there any way I can justify this lore-wise? well the minmatar and caldari are neutral towards each other i dont see why some caldari here and there wouldnt support minmatar The thing that worries me is the alliance between the Amarr and the Caldari. Just how formal and strong is this 'alliance'? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.17 00:11:00 - [67] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: knight guard fury wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a little problem. From what I've been reading, I do think I support the Caldari, but I also support the Minmatar. Is there any way I can justify this lore-wise? well the minmatar and caldari are neutral towards each other i dont see why some caldari here and there wouldnt support minmatar The thing that worries me is the alliance between the Amarr and the Caldari. Just how formal and strong is this 'alliance'? Strong enough that we gave them a economic surplus when they were in the crapper. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 8	Posted - 2015.06.17 00:24:00 - [68] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: knight guard fury wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a little problem. From what I've been reading, I do think I support the Caldari, but I also support the Minmatar. Is there any way I can justify this lore-wise? well the minmatar and caldari are neutral towards each other i dont see why some caldari here and there wouldnt support minmatar The thing that worries me is the alliance between the Amarr and the Caldari. Just how formal and strong is this 'alliance'? You should not worry the alliance is out of necessity rather than choice, the Amarr empire provides a necessary buffer as a threat to the Gallente. It prevents the Gallente from directly attacking either Empire with full force in fear that once weakened either the Amarr or Caldari will strike directly into Gallente space and wipe them out. The fear arose that if we did not ally with the Amarr that if they fell to the minmatar being propped by the Gallente as a tool to wipe out the Amarr, that they would then be in a position to attack the State in all out conquest to wipe us out. Without the threat of the Amarr preventing an all out attack. Caldari and Minmatar share similarities in the manner in which they value their traditions and culture and do not wish to see it corrupted which is what the Gallente are essentially doing to the Minmatar in which relations between the two Allies is not completely friendly. This is in part due to the Gallente dilution of the Minmatar Republic which in reality is an ongoing goal to assimilate the entire republic into the Gallente Federation even if relations appear friendly the long term goal will be an end to the independent Minmatar. The dilution as I call it is in relation to the slow collapse of the Republic thanks to propaganda and limited opportunities in the fledgling republic since the enslavement that crippled the society. Based on statistics this is clearer when i state that while 6.556 Trillion Free Minmatar exist within the Republic , 6.997 Trillion exist within the Federation with that figure growing overtime as more young Minmatar abandon the republic in the belief of a better life within the Federation. You then have the remainder of 10,712 Trillion enslaved Minmatar within the Amarr Empire as well as 214,491 Billion freed Minmatar with 98% of the entire Amarr Empire actively practicing religion which also causes issues when reintegrating the freed Minmatar thanks to the years of religious indoctrination that they have endured during slavery. But it must be made clear that the Gallente only seek to better their own position in New Eden, with all other factions targets for assimilation in the long term while us Caldari are targets for the xenophobic paranoia that has engulfed the federation since the first war when the fascist party called the Ultra Nationalists took over the government after the terrorist attack by the Templis Dragonaurs on Nouvelle Rouvenor which should be made clear did have Caldari citizens within was bombed. Nouvelle Rouvenor being a underwater domed city killing nearly all of the half a million populace. Which in retaliation they blamed the entirety of the State and condemned us to Death or surrender and bombarded and invaded Caldari Prime killing both Gallente and Caldari civilians with billions still on the planet with street after district after neighbourhood were wiped of the map. To top this off the Gallente blockade seeked to prevent evacuation but understand this the soldiers of the State gave their lives willingly day to day in attempts to subside the blockade to allow for evacuation of all civilians regardless of ethnicity. If you want me to go into more detail regarding the events that transpired feel free to ask. But us Caldari will always remember what the federation did and while they play innocent behind the false provocation and justification for the attack we continue to resist. So if you wonder as to the hatred that many Caldari have towards Gallente it is not Gallente but members of the federation that are despised for the atrocities they committed far greater than any that they have suffered at our hands. With all attacks on the Gallente being after the events that transpired against us in defense of the State and our people. So while the Gallente may appear to promote acceptance of other cultures and identities this a lie in their propaganda, and while they may accommodate the existence of the Republic to this day it won't be that way forever once the usefulness of a independent fighting force wears out. To the Gallente the Republic is merely a tool a buffer to keep the Amarr at bay and a long term political goal to take your independence from you as they will slowly and painstakingly subvert you into another puppet of the Federation and your culture and identity slowly mutated to fit the dominant Gallente ideology. So it is sad that in my eyes an alliance of an independent State and Republic would be a far more suiting match for the preservation of our freedoms to live the way wish too, to protect our traditions and culture. For the glorious Caldari State
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 00:36:00 - [69] - Quote In the end there is no point basing your choice of faction based on real world notions of what is right and wrong. It stops mattering in New Eden when you realise that no faction is just, moral, and ethical in practice. The Amarr want to unite humanity but practice a rigid social hierarchy and slavery to achieve those means. Is this right? Culturally yes. Moral? Hell no. Ethical? Yes. The Gallente envision a free cluster where all live well but their society is ruled by the self serving who care little for the liberties of others. Is this right? Yes. It is Moral? Yes. Is it ethical? Hell no. The Caldari wish to thrive and prosper in their own way without intervention by outside forces. Yet this makes them interventionist and their society is xenophobic and close. It this right? Yes. Moral? Maybe. Ethical? Maybe. The Minmatar are a burgeoning people living in a post war empire reassembling their cultural identity while being galvanised to violence and unending bloodshed by Elders who claim to have their best interests at heart. Is it right? Yes. Moral. Gods no. Ethical. Sure. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 11	Posted - 2015.06.17 00:51:00 - [70] - Quote True Adamance wrote: In the end there is no point basing your choice of faction based on real world notions of what is right and wrong. It stops mattering in New Eden when you realise that no faction is just, moral, and ethical in practice. The Amarr want to unite humanity but practice a rigid social hierarchy and slavery to achieve those means. Is this right? Culturally yes. Moral? Hell no. Ethical? Yes. The Gallente envision a free cluster where all live well but their society is ruled by the self serving who care little for the liberties of others. Is this right? Yes. It is Moral? Yes. Is it ethical? Hell no. The Caldari wish to thrive and prosper in their own way without intervention by outside forces. Yet this makes them interventionist and their society is xenophobic and close. It this right? Yes. Moral? Maybe. Ethical? Maybe. The Minmatar are a burgeoning people living in a post war empire reassembling their cultural identity while being galvanised to violence and unending bloodshed by Elders who claim to have their best interests at heart. Is it right? Yes. Moral. Gods no. Ethical. Sure. The state has never been xenophobic , the state has always accepted non Caldari into the State as long as you are willing to abide by the rules. As I have previously mentioned to be Caldari is not a racial aspect to be Caldari is to be a member of the state to be a citizen, alongside the three dominant races that founded the nation being the Deteis, Civire and the Achura you also have other bloodlines. The state is nationalist not xenophobic and this is because of the long term conflict that has been endured making us extremely defensive. A citizen identifies firstly as Caldari as a way of life, secondly the loyalty to their corporation and if mentioned at all then the origin of the ethnicity but this is irrelevant to a Caldari other than in cases of traditionalism when marrying with the three main ethnicities rarely intermarrying due to the differences in temperament and partly due to the conduct in which Caldari are paired regarding corporate controlled marriage to only suitable partners based on rank and status and a myriad factors including personality compatibility and matching appearance but within the State no matter ethnicity once a citizen of the state you are identified as racially Caldari. For the glorious Caldari State

Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 700	Posted - 2015.06.17 00:54:00 - [71] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: The olny Caldari megacorp that's good in my book is Ishukone. I personally hate Ishukone, only because they created the Ishukone ARR, which is part of the "FoTM chasing k/d padded explosive chucking 'veteran' " pack. n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:00:00 - [72] - Quote Victus Auxellias wrote: True Adamance wrote: In the end there is no point basing your choice of faction based on real world notions of what is right and wrong. It stops mattering in New Eden when you realise that no faction is just, moral, and ethical in practice. The Amarr want to unite humanity but practice a rigid social hierarchy and slavery to achieve those means. Is this right? Culturally yes. Moral? Hell no. Ethical? Yes. The Gallente envision a free cluster where all live well but their society is ruled by the self serving who care little for the liberties of others. Is this right? Yes. It is Moral? Yes. Is it ethical? Hell no. The Caldari wish to thrive and prosper in their own way without intervention by outside forces. Yet this makes them interventionist and their society is xenophobic and close. It this right? Yes. Moral? Maybe. Ethical? Maybe. The Minmatar are a burgeoning people living in a post war empire reassembling their cultural identity while being galvanised to violence and unending bloodshed by Elders who claim to have their best interests at heart. Is it right? Yes. Moral. Gods no. Ethical. Sure. The state has never been xenophobic , the state has always accepted non Caldari into the State as long as you are willing to abide by the rules. As I have previously mentioned to be Caldari is not a racial aspect to be Caldari is to be a member of the state to be a citizen, alongside the three dominant races that founded the nation being the Deteis, Civire and the Achura you also have other bloodlines. The state is nationalist not xenophobic and this is because of the long term conflict that has been endured making us extremely defensive. A citizen identifies firstly as Caldari as a way of life, secondly the loyalty to their corporation and if mentioned at all then the origin of the ethnicity but this is irrelevant to a Caldari other than in cases of traditionalism when marrying with the three main ethnicities rarely intermarrying due to the differences in temperament and partly due to the conduct in which Caldari are paired regarding corporate controlled marriage to only suitable partners based on rank and status and a myriad factors including personality compatibility and matching appearance but within the State no matter ethnicity once a citizen of the state you are identified as racially Caldari. The State is incredibly xenophobic when it comes to the preservation of their blood lines and culture. Especially in some of the more traditional Megacorporations like Sukuveesta, CBD, and Nugoeihuvi...and lets not forget the Waschi Uprising...... The Caldari do fit the term xenophobic as they generally do have a mistrust for those from other cultures. It's not a hostile xenophobia it's just a general cultural facet that they dislike being influenced by outside sources and rather prefer their own ways to others. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:01:00 - [73] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: The olny Caldari megacorp that's good in my book is Ishukone. I personally hate Ishukone, only because they created the Ishukone ARR, which is part of the "FoTM chasing k/d padded explosive chucking 'veteran' " pack. I do too but mainly because Ishukone is played out as the 'liberal saviors' of the Caldari which others are shunted in obscurity. You never hear about the practicals these days. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:06:00 - [74] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a couple questions. @Kirk - Why do the Gallente and Caldari continue to fight? From what I understand from what you wrote, the Caldari wanted independence from the Federation. Do the Gallente still not want the Caldari to be independent? @True - Did the Amarr not try to enslave the Gallente and Caldari as well? If not, what made them different from the Minmatar? And why did the Amarr start by trying to enslave the Jovians? The Caldari empire is still small, and relatively recently separated (in the grand scheme) from the gallente federation: We only broke free about 100 years ago or so... and we've had to arm up and arm up quickly. It's essentially similar to the separation of north and south korea. The gallente want to re-integrate the caldari as they believe we didn't have the right to leave or close our doors to them again (aka the only correct type of freedom and independence is the gallente brand). The Caldari more or less have a very, very deeply ingrained resentment to the gallente who would consider themselves their betters and desperately desire their autonomy and Independence. The amarr only met the gallente relatively 'recently' (something like IIRC 2000 years ago?) when their federation had already been established... and it was like two incredibly nervous and wary stray cats running across each other. The amarr approached with their frigate and tried opening communications... the gallente orbited warily and said something that sounded I guess harsh to the amarr, the amarr frigate lit a cynosural field which scared the gallente frigate (as it was something it had never seen before) into promptly warping away (something the amarr had never seen before) who promptly ran away. The amarr never tried to enslave the caldari, because they were a pragmatic ally against the gallente (who were busy shouting at the amarr that slavery is bad!) and the caldari got along extremely well with the khanid (who put in good words for them among the amarr). To explain a bit more about the cultural differences between the caldari and the gallente: The people who would become the gallente had purchased a very easily habitable planet and terraformed it well before the eve gate collapsed, their fledgling society still had it incredibly easy after the collapse - it was easy to hang onto beliefs that served everyone. The caldari had purchased a much harsher planet and hadn't terraformed it nearly as well by the collapse, only certain zones were easily habitable and even then life was incredibly hard... In order to survive you always had to put the group ahead of yourself. When the gallente made contact with the caldari it would be much like our society today making contact with a dark ages society. Even if you try your hardest, you're going to come off like an elitist jerk... and unlike some fanciful star trek federation who had made first contact thousands of times and had it down to an art, the caldari were the first culture the gallente had met other than themselves (and it had opened up a pandora's box of questions discovering the same 'race' on another planet with no recorded history linking them). In short the gallente ended up being meddlers and dragged the caldari kicking and screaming towards federation. The gallente way was to them the only right way - which was not something the caldari shared as they placed almost no value on individuality. Even from the earliest days they rubbed each other wrong, and the caldari found out the hard way democracies have some very big downsides, especially when you're a permanent minority (the caldari never had anywhere near the population of the gallente). When the gallente found the secret colonies the caldari had been working on they demanded that the caldari bring them into the federation as democracies... The caldari refused, informed the gallente that they would never accept democratic government (preferring their own meritocracies) and also informed the gallente that they were seceding. This engraged the gallente who went full powertrip and cracked down hard on the caldari, tightening the screws every way they knew how and at the height of things there was a full blockade against caldari prime. The caldari refused to be brought to heel and so freedom fighters arose in the form of the templis dragonaurs, who broke the dome on the underwater city of Nouvelle Rouvenor, killing half a million people. Even the gallente public were enraged by this terrorist attack, and an extreme right-wing government took hold (led by a figure that was probably about as hi.tler/stalin-esque and totalitarian as you could imagine), there was open war between the gallente and the caldari... and an admiral named Yakiya Tovil-Toba rose on the caldari side, his story is best summed up here. The caldari won their freedom, but their lost their homeworld... they never forgot and they never forgave. Tovil-Toba is a hero and a lot of the highest loyalty ranks in eve's fw reference him (and most reference the events preceding his death) The state lost a huge amount of its population in its bid for freedom and it had to resort to entire generations of children born in medical tubes and raised in corporate creches. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 11	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:20:00 - [75] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Victus Auxellias wrote: True Adamance wrote: In the end there is no point basing your choice of faction based on real world notions of what is right and wrong. It stops mattering in New Eden when you realise that no faction is just, moral, and ethical in practice. The Amarr want to unite humanity but practice a rigid social hierarchy and slavery to achieve those means. Is this right? Culturally yes. Moral? Hell no. Ethical? Yes. The Gallente envision a free cluster where all live well but their society is ruled by the self serving who care little for the liberties of others. Is this right? Yes. It is Moral? Yes. Is it ethical? Hell no. The Caldari wish to thrive and prosper in their own way without intervention by outside forces. Yet this makes them interventionist and their society is xenophobic and close. It this right? Yes. Moral? Maybe. Ethical? Maybe. The Minmatar are a burgeoning people living in a post war empire reassembling their cultural identity while being galvanised to violence and unending bloodshed by Elders who claim to have their best interests at heart. Is it right? Yes. Moral. Gods no. Ethical. Sure. The state has never been xenophobic , the state has always accepted non Caldari into the State as long as you are willing to abide by the rules. As I have previously mentioned to be Caldari is not a racial aspect to be Caldari is to be a member of the state to be a citizen, alongside the three dominant races that founded the nation being the Deteis, Civire and the Achura you also have other bloodlines. The state is nationalist not xenophobic and this is because of the long term conflict that has been endured making us extremely defensive. A citizen identifies firstly as Caldari as a way of life, secondly the loyalty to their corporation and if mentioned at all then the origin of the ethnicity but this is irrelevant to a Caldari other than in cases of traditionalism when marrying with the three main ethnicities rarely intermarrying due to the differences in temperament and partly due to the conduct in which Caldari are paired regarding corporate controlled marriage to only suitable partners based on rank and status and a myriad factors including personality compatibility and matching appearance but within the State no matter ethnicity once a citizen of the state you are identified as racially Caldari. The State is incredibly xenophobic when it comes to the preservation of their blood lines and culture. Especially in some of the more traditional Megacorporations like Sukuveesta, CBD, and Nugoeihuvi...and lets not forget the Waschi Uprising...... The Caldari do fit the term xenophobic as they generally do have a mistrust for those from other cultures. It's not a hostile xenophobia it's just a general cultural facet that they dislike being influenced by outside sources and rather prefer their own ways to others. There is no mistrust for other cultures only hatred towards the federation predominantly thanks to events that transpired on a whole to label the entirety of the state as Xenophobic is absurd when the defense of the Intaki by the state was the highest priority and the Intaki and Caldari have been long allies with the main example being that of Mordu's Legion that fought alongside the Caldari State. The perpetrators of the Waschi Uprising were disbanded and punished and the alliance between the Intaki and the Caldari exists today. You cannot use extremist and isolated events and groups as a basis to label an entire nation as xenophobic. The CBD Corporation is one of the biggest exporters/importers in Caldari space in which being xenophobic and mistrusting of other cultures is not practical. They are not traditional by any means in which they go against on many occasions the codes and conduct of the state and what it is to be Caldari the three you mention belong to the practical political bloc and have all three ties to organised crime and the underworld of New Eden in which they deal in unethical business tactics. But I have to make this clear once again their is no emphasis on the blood lines, ethnicity is not and never has been a relevant factor to any Caldari and the dislike to being influenced by outside forces is shared by all factions neither would be willing to capitulate nor does the State impose their way of life on the other factions they only wish to exist freely and independent. As xenophobia goes hand in hand with racism and the preservation of culture is merely the way of life that we have within the state not a racial agenda the state exists of numerous ethnicities and races and are in fact innately non xenophobic as we all identify as racially Caldari no matter of ethnicity. So the only mistrust you can refer too is that towards the federation which is justified with the ongoing conflict are their wish to undermine the state and cease its existence. For the glorious Caldari State
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:26:00 - [76] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a little problem. From what I've been reading, I do think I support the Caldari, but I also support the Minmatar. Is there any way I can justify this lore-wise? I'm in the same boat as you. I know the caldari always try to open up deals with the minmatar, but I don't know what the minmatar do for the caldari, if anything. Rule 34.6.1: every parody will have a crossover
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 11	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:29:00 - [77] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a little problem. From what I've been reading, I do think I support the Caldari, but I also support the Minmatar. Is there any way I can justify this lore-wise? I'm in the same boat as you. I know the caldari always try to open up deals with the minmatar, but I don't know what the minmatar do for the caldari, if anything. It would usually be on the lines of research agreements, shared projects and the such taking example the birth of the Ishukone Submachine gun a joint venture. You also have a shared use and knowledge of shielding and it would pretty much boil down to technological advancement, building relations between the two. For the glorious Caldari State
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:34:00 - [78] - Quote Victus Auxellias wrote: There is no mistrust for other cultures only hatred towards the federation predominantly thanks to events that transpired on a whole to label the entirety of the state as Xenophobic is absurd when the defense of the Intaki by the state was the highest priority and the Intaki and Caldari have been long allies with the main example being that of Mordu's Legion that fought alongside the Caldari State. The perpetrators of the Waschi Uprising were disbanded and punished and the alliance between the Intaki and the Caldari exists today. You cannot use extremist and isolated events and groups as a basis to label an entire nation as xenophobic. The CBD Corporation is one of the biggest exporters/importers in Caldari space in which being xenophobic and mistrusting of other cultures is not practical. They are not traditional by any means in which they go against on many occasions the codes and conduct of the state and what it is to be Caldari the three you mention belong to the practical political bloc and have all three ties to organised crime and the underworld of New Eden in which they deal in unethical business tactics. But I have to make this clear once again their is no emphasis on the blood lines, ethnicity is not and never has been a relevant factor to any Caldari and the dislike to being influenced by outside forces is shared by all factions neither would be willing to capitulate nor does the State impose their way of life on the other factions they only wish to exist freely and independent. As xenophobia goes hand in hand with racism and the preservation of culture is merely the way of life that we have within the state not a racial agenda the state exists of numerous ethnicities and races and are in fact innately non xenophobic as we all identify as racially Caldari no matter of ethnicity. So the only mistrust you can refer too is that towards the federation which is justified with the ongoing conflict are their wish to undermine the state and cease its existence. There is mistrust and abuse of other cultures - if you're not caldari... we don't care about you (unless you're willing to become a client-state). There is also heavy emphasis on bloodlines despite the caldari identifying as a single race, as marriage is largely corporately controlled. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:37:00 - [79] - Quote I don't think Nouvelle Rouvenor, Heuromont, Waschi, and the recent Provist regime led by a suspected Templis Dragonaur. That being said in having read about the Caldari a bit more it's clear there is an 'Us and Them' feel to the way they interpret nations/culture. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 11	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:41:00 - [80] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Victus Auxellias wrote: There is no mistrust for other cultures only hatred towards the federation predominantly thanks to events that transpired on a whole to label the entirety of the state as Xenophobic is absurd when the defense of the Intaki by the state was the highest priority and the Intaki and Caldari have been long allies with the main example being that of Mordu's Legion that fought alongside the Caldari State. The perpetrators of the Waschi Uprising were disbanded and punished and the alliance between the Intaki and the Caldari exists today. You cannot use extremist and isolated events and groups as a basis to label an entire nation as xenophobic. The CBD Corporation is one of the biggest exporters/importers in Caldari space in which being xenophobic and mistrusting of other cultures is not practical. They are not traditional by any means in which they go against on many occasions the codes and conduct of the state and what it is to be Caldari the three you mention belong to the practical political bloc and have all three ties to organised crime and the underworld of New Eden in which they deal in unethical business tactics. But I have to make this clear once again their is no emphasis on the blood lines, ethnicity is not and never has been a relevant factor to any Caldari and the dislike to being influenced by outside forces is shared by all factions neither would be willing to capitulate nor does the State impose their way of life on the other factions they only wish to exist freely and independent. As xenophobia goes hand in hand with racism and the preservation of culture is merely the way of life that we have within the state not a racial agenda the state exists of numerous ethnicities and races and are in fact innately non xenophobic as we all identify as racially Caldari no matter of ethnicity. So the only mistrust you can refer too is that towards the federation which is justified with the ongoing conflict are their wish to undermine the state and cease its existence. There is mistrust and abuse of other cultures - if you're not caldari... we don't care about you (unless you're willing to become a client-state). There is also heavy emphasis on bloodlines despite the caldari identifying as a single race, as marriage is largely corporately controlled. I have already mentioned this and the factors that decide marriage are more complex than mere race as while they rarely intermarry they do on occasion when criteria is met. Secondly cultures are not abused, if you are unwilling to abide by the rules and abandon your previous culture you would not decide to live within the state in the first place also while you may not be full caldari the children of those who join the state will be identified as racially caldari and thus receive the myriad of benefits that citizenship brings, as individuals would not decide to reside in the state if such abuse existed we do not mistreat non Caldari and emphasis on bloodlines is clearly mentioned as non important when in reference to the state as a whole being identifying firstly as Caldari and secondly corporate loyalty, bloodlines only comes into play when it comes to marriage suitability due to the variation in temperament that will make individuals incompatible in comparison to those of the same bloodline. For the glorious Caldari State

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:45:00 - [81] - Quote Victus Auxellias wrote: Interestingly biased viewpoints..... You have quite the positive view of the Caldari don't you? "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 11	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:49:00 - [82] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I don't think Nouvelle Rouvenor, Heuromont, Waschi, and the recent Provist regime led by a suspected Templis Dragonaur are isolated examples. That being said in having read about the Caldari a bit more it's clear there is an 'Us and Them' feel to the way they interpret nations/culture. Predominantly all of these actions were carried out by the same group the Templis Dragonaurs led today by Tibus Heth who is a radical, the majority of the State do not share those views. To label them as anything but isolated would be incorrect as they are isolated in regards to the State as they are not common practice or shared agenda and the patriot bloc of the State is against the Tibus Heth regime which is seen as overly extreme and ultranationalist. Though it pales in comparison to the atrocities committed by the Ultranationalist fascist party of the Gallente that are responsible for acts of terror during the attack on Caldari Prime which billions of lives of both Caldari and Gallente citizens as well as the other races who were on Caldari Prime at the time were slaughtered in a xenophobic attack. To label one as xenophobic and the other not is absurd. For the glorious Caldari State
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 11	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:54:00 - [83] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Victus Auxellias wrote: Interestingly biased viewpoints..... You have quite the positive view of the Caldari don't you? I am neither positive or negative this is not a case of believed superiority over the other factions. The Caldari aren't the good nor the bad there is no definitive black and white answer here I only care for the end of misconceptions are labelling of Caldari as a xenophobic racist faction. All the Caldari care about is our independence, all factions have committed atrocities that's just the way it is. I just accept the way we are rather than try to deny events all sides are in the wrong at one point in time. For the glorious Caldari State
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:55:00 - [84] - Quote Victus Auxellias wrote: True Adamance wrote: I don't think Nouvelle Rouvenor, Heuromont, Waschi, and the recent Provist regime led by a suspected Templis Dragonaur are isolated examples. That being said in having read about the Caldari a bit more it's clear there is an 'Us and Them' feel to the way they interpret nations/culture. Predominantly all of these actions were carried out by the same group the Templis Dragonaurs led today by Tibus Heth who is a radical, the majority of the State do not share those views. To label them as anything but isolated would be incorrect as they are isolated in regards to the State as they are not common practice or shared agenda and the patriot bloc of the State is against the Tibus Heth regime which is seen as overly extreme and ultranationalist. Though it pales in comparison to the atrocities committed by the Ultranationalist fascist party of the Gallente that are responsible for acts of terror during the attack on Caldari Prime which billions of lives of both Caldari and Gallente citizens as well as the other races who were on Caldari Prime at the time were slaughtered in a xenophobic attack. To label one as xenophobic and the other not is absurd. And yet for all that talk about 'One People'........ "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 11	Posted - 2015.06.17 02:00:00 - [85] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Victus Auxellias wrote: True Adamance wrote: I don't think Nouvelle Rouvenor, Heuromont, Waschi, and the recent Provist regime led by a suspected Templis Dragonaur are isolated examples. That being said in having read about the Caldari a bit more it's clear there is an 'Us and Them' feel to the way they interpret nations/culture. Predominantly all of these actions were carried out by the same group the Templis Dragonaurs led today by Tibus Heth who is a radical, the majority of the State do not share those views. To label them as anything but isolated would be incorrect as they are isolated in regards to the State as they are not common practice or shared agenda and the patriot bloc of the State is against the Tibus Heth regime which is seen as overly extreme and ultranationalist. Though it pales in comparison to the atrocities committed by the Ultranationalist fascist party of the Gallente that are responsible for acts of terror during the attack on Caldari Prime which billions of lives of both Caldari and Gallente citizens as well as the other races who were on Caldari Prime at the time were slaughtered in a xenophobic attack. To label one as xenophobic and the other not is absurd. And yet for all that talk about 'One People'........ One people refers to unity a united people of a united nation not one race one ethnicity one being the Caldari State one being the Gallente federation For the glorious Caldari State
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 02:27:00 - [86] - Quote Victus Auxellias wrote: True Adamance wrote: Victus Auxellias wrote: True Adamance wrote: I don't think Nouvelle Rouvenor, Heuromont, Waschi, and the recent Provist regime led by a suspected Templis Dragonaur are isolated examples. That being said in having read about the Caldari a bit more it's clear there is an 'Us and Them' feel to the way they interpret nations/culture. Predominantly all of these actions were carried out by the same group the Templis Dragonaurs led today by Tibus Heth who is a radical, the majority of the State do not share those views. To label them as anything but isolated would be incorrect as they are isolated in regards to the State as they are not common practice or shared agenda and the patriot bloc of the State is against the Tibus Heth regime which is seen as overly extreme and ultranationalist. Though it pales in comparison to the atrocities committed by the Ultranationalist fascist party of the Gallente that are responsible for acts of terror during the attack on Caldari Prime which billions of lives of both Caldari and Gallente citizens as well as the other races who were on Caldari Prime at the time were slaughtered in a xenophobic attack. To label one as xenophobic and the other not is absurd. And yet for all that talk about 'One People'........ One people refers to unity a united people of a united nation not one race one ethnicity one being the Caldari State one being the Gallente federation Except ironically the Caldari are the least ethnically diverse of all the peoples of New Eden. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.06.17 02:37:00 - [87] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: First Prophet wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The planet of Pator had many tribal wars as evedent in the Elder lore saying they had been peaceful is false when they only united as one to combat the Amarr. Pator is the system. Not the planet. The planet is Matar. "However, having known no large-scale warfare for centuries" I've not seen a date on when the tribal wars happened so I'm not sure how long they were between the invasion, but I'm fairly certain I read Matar was at peace for 600 years before the Amarrian invasion. I'll look more into finding a source for that later. Cool let me know what you find! Under Day of Darkness "Only those on Matar itself were able to put up a fierce resistance, though thanks to centuries of peace, they had little capability to withstand the logistical and technologically superior Empire." The timeline puts the unification of the Minmatar tribes at AD 20374, while first contact between Amarr and Minmatar happens at AD 22355 nearly 2000 years apart. "The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy No Context 1	Posted - 2015.06.17 02:48:00 - [88] - Quote I dont know. Amarr trying to enslave, Galenteans are the "only freedoooom", Caldari is basicaly corporation or nothing and people of Matar killing themselves after received freedom. Pretty awesome this place of EvE. We all are basicaly only mercs nothing else, some fighting for ideas of republic, state or false gods is just same nonsence like wars between us. And you know what, FC\_/K IT. I go to make my ductape more modular. "The Monolith of Corrosive Synergy"
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.17 03:47:00 - [89] - Quote The weak points of the races are as follows: Amarr: Sheer arrogance minmatar: So angry culturally they can barely tell friend from foe. Gallente: Mob rules here. Not reason in most cases. Caldari: Refusal to change in any way for any reason. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 396	Posted - 2015.06.17 04:34:00 - [90] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: The weak points of the races are as follows: Amarr: Sheer arrogance minmatar: So angry culturally they can barely tell friend from foe. Gallente: Mob rules here. Not reason in most cases. Caldari: Refusal to change in any way for any reason. I take offense to that! motions to my mob of friends Come on boys! Let's get him! Not exactly sure why we are getting him, but let's get him! Yassavi Approved. -Aero Yassavi

Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2015.06.17 07:10:00 - [91] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Except ironically the Caldari are the least ethnically diverse of all the peoples of New Eden. Given the difficulties in becoming a naturalized citizen of the State (and the unappealing prospects of noncitizens), it's really not ironic. I'd also posit that the actual diversity of the State is indeterminate so long as noncitizens are ignored for record keeping purposes.
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.06.17 12:18:00 - [92] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'll start with the Gallente and Caldari relationship since it's the one I know most intricately. I'll keep things in layman's terms because it can get confusing quick Long ago before the Federation was the Federation we know today we, the Gallente people, looked to spread across the stars looking to build up our alliance of different peoples. The Caldari was amongst those people, and one of the major races in our early alliance. The other major races were the Jin Mei, Mannar and Intaki. When the Gallente first started gaining additional "races" into their fold you somewhat didn't have a choice, while they didn't enslave you like the Amarr might have they certainly had an empire / rome hybrid like persona about it. Being swallowed in the Federation wasn't a completely bad thing like it might have been if you were swallowed by the Amarr. Normally you'd become to get more technologically advanced as your being boosted into the space age even if your race has just figured out how to get in orbit. With the good comes the bad, while Gallente tend to be respectful of all beliefs it's usually only beliefs that mesh well with their culture. This is where the Caldari and Gallente tensions begins. Cultural differences. When the Gallente found the Caldari they weren't the most technologically advanced people, similar to how the Amarr brought the Minmatar into the "Tech" age the Gallente did the Caldari. The Caldari retention to their duty drive were a welcome addition to the federation and we benefited from each other for a while. Cloaking technology actual came out of a joint Gallente and Caldari development. As time went on and Caldari by themselves became more and more financially and technically stable they finally decided that they grew tired of the Gallente intrusive ways in their Culture which the Caldari were not ones to be assimilated like the others have. The Caldari decided to go off in secret areas of space and build their own bases there in secret without Federal approval. Long story short, a Gallente Scout vessel found this massive secret war base and Caldari ships, ran in terror and told about what he saw. The Gallente became infuriated, and rightfully so. Trying to talk it out without wanting to appear weak but the Caldari refused to step down from this independent development tensions became high and it became a cold war of words. Finally there was a terrorist involved. No one knows what side he was on besides the side of the war economy. He was behind the terrorist attack that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in a city which gave birth to the start of the 1st Gallente Caldari war. Now, onto Government. While yes, personally I believe that the Gallente are New Eden's best hope of a Progressive future that doesn't mean we aren't without flaws. When it comes to why I align with the Gallente is because of the Culture. Most other cultures don't willingly accept different beliefs and get along well outside of the Caldari, who don't care who you are as long as you work hard and smart (for the most part). Our Government however is a different story, It's gotten slightly better now that the extreme right wing war mongers are out of power from the first war era but we are still extremely paranoid about it. Think about how America reacted to things in a post 9/11 world, only much more drastic. The Black Eagles are just another terrorist group that happens to serve a government. They have their uses, but their methods are horrid. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, that statement is especially true when it comes to the Minmatar but I'll leave someone else to talk about that. The Caldari aren't perfect either but it's almost contrast to why I don't like the Federations Government but it's a bit more. If it wasn't 1 in the morning here I'd be happy to explain why I don't like the Caldari. Mostly dealing with coldness, and radicalism that just doesn't mesh well with the Gallente ideals. I appreciate the drive they have towards work but adhere almost everything else about their culture. The olny Caldari megacorp that's good in my book is Ishukone. I'll let True Adamance or someone else tell you about the Amarr and Minmatar. My take is, what the Amarr are doing is wrong, but damn the Minmatar are completely out of control a lot of the times but is that due to the circumstances they've been dealt with? Not sure, haven't looked into it. It seems like the Amarr caused their own problems when it comes to the Minmatar and how they act. But there's no good and evil in this game....unless you're talking about Blood Raiders or Sansha's Nation. Anywho, this has been a very brief gist of the History between the Federation and the Caldari. Keep in mind that my friend Kirk here is an idealist, and that perspective tends to slant his opinions as far as the Caldari State. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 651	Posted - 2015.06.17 15:08:00 - [93] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Seriously.......... I'd be glad to educate you. Starting with the Amarr being more of less my speciality. That being said there is something you need to understand first. Right and wrong mean very little in New Eden. The four major factions all have glaring flaws that set them apart form their counterparts and contemporary examples of similar cultures. For instance, and to clarify you, the Amarr are not a racist people who took advantage of a situation to institute racism 'again.' What they are is a theocratic empire composed of many trillions of believers all of whom agree that it is their divine mandate to unite the cluster as one people and that slavery is but one of many ways to achieve that unity. The Amarr were more or less , though they don't know this, the descendants of religious colonists who passed through the EVE gate and were thrown into a social and technological dark age when the gate collapsed scattering them across the surface of a temperate desert world known as Athra. They experiences immediate persecution for their beliefs during the earliest years of recorded history being forced from the main continental drift known as Assimia to a small isle known as Amarr Island where they split into groups led by Warlords all of whom answered to a united church. Eventually one warlord, Amarr Asakura united the factions and formed the first Empire, establishing a medieval nobility and peasant class. United as one Empire the newly forged Amarr took to the main continent where the city states of the Udorians lay and began to wage intermittent wars with them slowly claiming more and more of the continent. The Amarr then formed an alliance with another people, the Khanid, and waged a joint conflict against the Udorians until eventually the last few resisting cities fell to the Amarr all before the modern age of automatic weapons. What the Amarr however were to do with an entire people post war having formerly pressed Udorian sailors into service in their armies was then the logical step. Using an obscure reference from the Scriptures, the Amarrian religious text, the precedent was set that the Amarr could morally enslave the Udorians and rule over them. They did this for a time until it became well practiced that after several generations of good service slave were to be freed and made full Amarrian citizens. This trend persisted well into the era of space flight where the Amarr eventually discovered other fragments of humanity on other far flung worlds. These people they too enslaved, easily dominating them with technological supremacy. It was here the concept of Reclaiming, a religious war of conquest became a powerful driving force in Amarr culture, with them believing that it was their divine role to gather the fragments of humankind and mold them into one people. It was also at this time the Amarr began cruelly experimenting on the captives in what was known as the Human Endurance Project. Anyhow this persisted into the Unchallenged Era where the Amarr encountered the Minmatar, a people who had reached space flight technology and called themselves the Minmatar Empire. This was the first time the Amarr had ever truly encountered another race like the Minmatar and capitalising like you said on a planet wide storm the Amarr flooded the system, crushed the resistance, and depopulated entire worlds taking billions of Minmatar as slaves. They did this every few years crushing Matari technological developments each time. Eventually the Amarr encountered the Gallente and the Caldari, the former who loathed the practice of slavery and conspired with a fifth known entity the Jovian Directorate to liberate the Minmatar. Unknowingly the Amarr manoeuvred themselves into a corner declaring war on the Jovians, a vastly superior technological entity, fighting a battle at Vak' Atioth where an entire 200 ship squadron of the Imperial Navy equipped with the latest technologies fought Jovian Frigates, Cruisers, and a lone Mothership. The Amarrian fleet was annihilated to a man their ships ordered to hold their ground no matter the cost though destroying one in every three Jovian vessels. In the wake of that defeat across the cluster billions of Matari slaves rose up against the Amarr with Jovian and Gallentean aid starting a bloody war that was known of the Great Rebellion. Millions of Amarr died. Hundred of Millions of Minmatar perished as well. If we skip ahead to the modern age we exist in the Amarr are actually a much more mild people than they were. The role of Holders, the Amarrian nobility, was reaffirmed as a role of caring for slaves so that they could transition into Amarrian society while the Emperor of the time Heideran VIII declared that the act of 'slave taking' was to be outlawed. Nowadays more reasonable heads prevail in the Empire and slave taking it at an all time low barring the illegal actions of slavers whom the Amarr punish fiercely. The Amarr however still fight their war against the Minmatar who are unwilling to let the past die and were recently subject to an attack by Minmatar fleets whom broke inter-empire law only to have that fleet smashed aside over Sarum Prime. Understanding the Amarr means looking at them from their perspective. They do not and have never seen slavery as wrong, nor is it an institution solely designed to benefit from a cheap labour force. They genuinely believe that by bringing the Minmatar into the Empire they are doing them good and slowly helping them understand God. More over they would be considered arrogant by our standards but that is due to the widely held belief that as Amarrians they are a chosen people charged with ruling the masses. However ironically life in the Empire is about as normal as one could get. So if I get this straight, CURRENTLY, amarr and Caldari are allies and minmatar and GALLENTE are allies BUT Jove are no ones but more over GALLENTE/minmatar? 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.17 15:22:00 - [94] - Quote yes, gallente and minmatar are alllies and amarr and caldari are allies. Kin of the Vherokior tribe and warrior of the republic
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.17 16:41:00 - [95] - Quote I was gonna queue some CFW, but then I had a thought. If the Gallente were weakened, would that mean that the Minmatar would be easier to conquer? How can I justify playing CFW if it would negatively impact the Minmatar? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
maybe deadcatz Horizons' Edge No Context 161	Posted - 2015.06.17 16:45:00 - [96] - Quote battleskirts bro. battleskirts. this is how you start a sh*tstorm of comments and replies. Ewar? What's that? Some kind of fancy new way of being lazy? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.17 16:57:00 - [97] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I was gonna queue some CFW, but then I had a thought. If the Gallente were weakened, would that mean that the Minmatar would be easier to conquer? How can I justify playing CFW if it would negatively impact the Minmatar? The Elders (the true mind behind the minmatar) don't live in the republic. They've given up on it. They live out in nullsec among the thukker. While almost 1/3rd of the minmatar population is still enslaved, more of the minmatar live among the nomadic thukker tribes than in the federation or republic. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.17 17:18:00 - [98] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I was gonna queue some CFW, but then I had a thought. If the Gallente were weakened, would that mean that the Minmatar would be easier to conquer? How can I justify playing CFW if it would negatively impact the Minmatar? The Elders (the true mind behind the minmatar) don't live in the republic. They've given up on it. They live out in nullsec among the thukker. While almost 1/3rd of the minmatar population is still enslaved, more of the minmatar live among the nomadic thukker tribes than in the federation or republic. What does this mean for me then? Who can I fight for? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.17 17:25:00 - [99] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I was gonna queue some CFW, but then I had a thought. If the Gallente were weakened, would that mean that the Minmatar would be easier to conquer? How can I justify playing CFW if it would negatively impact the Minmatar? The Elders (the true mind behind the minmatar) don't live in the republic. They've given up on it. They live out in nullsec among the thukker. While almost 1/3rd of the minmatar population is still enslaved, more of the minmatar live among the nomadic thukker tribes than in the federation or republic. What does this mean for me then? Who can I fight for? That is entirely up to your interpretation. For me personally? I don't care much about the minmatar as I'm more interested in seeing a strong, independent and self-determining caldari people (I fall under the patriotic caldari). The liberals (largely ishukone, but a few other corps are involved) spend a lot of time courting the republic, believing that they're capable of nurturing a strong client / customer relationship in the future (they might even gasp become friends). The practicals are largely only concerned with the short term and are entirely willing to play arms dealer to both the amarr and the minmatar, as long as it makes them a profit. So while the republic 'represents' the minmatar... It depends a lot on gallente aid, to the point where it's almost a sockpuppet / agent of the federation. I will give credit to Meleatu shakor (I know I spelled that wrong) for telling the federation to ** right off after karin midular (previous leader of the republic) was assassinated... by gallenteans. The gallente are slowly annexing more and more of the republic every day. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.17 17:30:00 - [100] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I was gonna queue some CFW, but then I had a thought. If the Gallente were weakened, would that mean that the Minmatar would be easier to conquer? How can I justify playing CFW if it would negatively impact the Minmatar? The Elders (the true mind behind the minmatar) don't live in the republic. They've given up on it. They live out in nullsec among the thukker. While almost 1/3rd of the minmatar population is still enslaved, more of the minmatar live among the nomadic thukker tribes than in the federation or republic. What does this mean for me then? Who can I fight for? That is entirely up to your interpretation. For me personally? I don't care much about the minmatar as I'm more interested in seeing a strong, independent and self-determining caldari people (I fall under the patriotic caldari). The liberals (largely ishukone, but a few other corps are involved) spend a lot of time courting the republic, believing that they're capable of nurturing a strong client / customer relationship in the future (they might even gasp become friends). The practicals are largely only concerned with the short term and are entirely willing to play arms dealer to both the amarr and the minmatar, as long as it makes them a profit. So while the republic 'represents' the minmatar... It depends a lot on gallente aid, to the point where it's almost a sockpuppet / agent of the federation. I will give credit to Meleatu shakor (I know I spelled that wrong) for telling the federation to **** right off after karin midular (previous leader of the republic) was assassinated... by gallenteans. The gallente are slowly annexing more and more of the republic every day. So does that mean I could justify playing both CFW and MFW? Do you think that if the Gallente were sufficiently weakened, the Republic would be easier for the Amarr to defeat? Similarly, if the Gallente were out of the picture, do you think the Amarr would try to enslave the Caldari? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3

Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.17 17:37:00 - [101] - Quote You are a mercenary. If the republic is paying you for your services that's entirely up to you. In fact it could be better for you if you weakened the federation as you'd stand to profit more from defense contracts the matari put up. A defining trait of the caldari is that we are incredibly driven by predatory instinct. Most of are not 'nice' people (the same is largely true of anyone with power in any race - they didn't get there by being nice). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.17 17:54:00 - [102] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: You are a mercenary. If the republic is paying you for your services that's entirely up to you. In fact it could be better for you if you weakened the federation as you'd stand to profit more from defense contracts the matari put up. I'm not doing it for ISK; that's what I do Public Contracts for. I'm doing it for loyalty. I just want to know if fighting for the Caldari will harm the Minmatar/Republic. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 25	Posted - 2015.06.17 18:47:00 - [103] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Similarly, if the Gallente were out of the picture, do you think the Amarr would try to enslave the Caldari? Were it feasible, the Amarr would enslave anyone who wouldn't take the knee to their faith. (Luckily for all parties--yes even the Amarr--it's not feasible.) As for your other dilemma, I'm not comfortable speculating that much. However, if you are sympathetic to an independent Minmatar people I don't see how you can reconcile that with being a Caldari hardliner. The economic integration between the State, Khanid Kingdom, and Amarr Empire (after the economic stimulus agreement) is simply too significant at present. It's tough to be moral in New Eden. I bet even the Sisters of EVE directly do bad things. (Indirectly they tip off the Blood Raiders for juicy targets by making mercy missions.)
Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 705	Posted - 2015.06.18 01:06:00 - [104] - Quote Y'all talking about being "True caldari" and "True gallente" and stuff, and I'm just sitting here supporting whatever race has the good suits. n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.18 01:34:00 - [105] - Quote Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Similarly, if the Gallente were out of the picture, do you think the Amarr would try to enslave the Caldari? Were it feasible, the Amarr would enslave anyone who wouldn't take the knee to their faith. (Luckily for all parties--yes even the Amarr--it's not feasible.) As for your other dilemma, I'm not comfortable speculating that much. However, if you are sympathetic to an independent Minmatar people I don't see how you can reconcile that with being a Caldari hardliner. The economic integration between the State, Khanid Kingdom, and Amarr Empire (after the economic stimulus agreement) is simply too significant at present. It's tough to be moral in New Eden. I bet even the Sisters of EVE directly do bad things. (Indirectly they tip off the Blood Raiders for juicy targets by making mercy missions.) Ideally yes the Amarr would enslave all of those who did not subscribe to the Faith. It's more or less part of what they believe their divine purpose is. However the means by which this is achieved might not necessarily be military. Military is the most expedient path but not necessarily the most popular one within the modern empire. I'm not even sure many commoners or Holder's truly support another Reclaiming at present time. We're content to sit it out and slowly work on what he have going on. You also make a very fine point Dries. The Amarr Empire offered a sizeable economic package to the Caldari to float their economy which some what merits better relations but does little to excise doubts about being indebted to a vastly larger entity. Also as for the Sisters of EVE comment.....yes they do. They predominantly are a group that focuses on scientific pursuits and providing aid to disaster sites but they have a particular entity within their group known as Sanctuary which is their special operations division and the one that develops their combat avoidance techniques. In one of the Chronicles it details a team of Sanctuary Operatives searching for a Jovian artefact called the Book of Emptiness which has the ability to influence the human psyche. One of the SoE operative wanted to use this book to forcefully influence the minds of people on a massive scale undermining their fundamental human rights in attempt to ensure a lasting peace. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.18 01:37:00 - [106] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dries - _ - Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.18 01:57:00 - [107] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dries - _ - Get more likes to have your name spelt correctly. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 04:09:00 - [108] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dries - _ - Get more likes to have your name spelt correctly. You spelled it correctly already though. "The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.18 04:16:00 - [109] - Quote First Prophet wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dries - _ - Get more likes to have your name spelt correctly. You spelled it correctly already though. Get more likes to have me........ um..... pay attention I guess? "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 04:18:00 - [110] - Quote True Adamance wrote: First Prophet wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dries - _ - Get more likes to have your name spelt correctly. You spelled it correctly already though. Get more likes to have me........ um..... pay attention I guess? Not interested. Learn to shi*tpost to have me care. "The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.18 04:29:00 - [111] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Learn to shitpost to have me care. Sorry, this is True Adamance's automated posting service. He is too busy to engage you in forum combat as your forum level is far to low. We request now that you seek to remedy that so that when you have sufficiently improved your skills you can challege him again. Currently True Adamance is: Too Busy Doesn't Care If you have been traumatised by his treatment of you remember that True Adamance is: Too Busy Doesn't Care For counselling please seek out your local Vherokior Shaman, Jin-Mei Hooker, State Corporate Director, and or Amarrian Nun [inserted by request of True Adamance with the foot note 'AWWWW HELL YEAH'] for support or alternatively call 0800-0-***S-GIVEN. Statement of Disclosure: True Adamance accept no liability for any poor unfortunates that may be abominably traumatised by ignoring them and also wises to state that he does not accept responsibility for the order in which the racial support staff are organised merely having presented them in the order of groups he is most likely to offend. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 04:33:00 - [112] - Quote True Adamance wrote: [i]Sorry, this is True Adamance's automated posting service. No automated response is efficient enough to handle my shitposting. "The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 26	Posted - 2015.06.18 05:31:00 - [113] - Quote Thanks for the reply, True Adamance. I'm definitely going to check out that Chronicle you mentioned.
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 417	Posted - 2015.06.19 06:38:00 - [114] - Quote Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Thanks for the reply, True Adamance. I'm definitely going to check out that Chronicle you mentioned. Yep. He's always good to go to for advice. He critiqued my lore on the power core as well. I appreciated it. Yassavi Approved. -Aero Yassavi
Cloak Dog Horizons' Edge No Context 60	Posted - 2015.06.19 18:44:00 - [115] - Quote Well then that didn't get out of hand at all. Now that I know more lore and stuff I think my opinions on the races have been changed. Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. The Amarr learned their lesson the hard way, and still get beat up for it. Gallente believes in so much freedom and stuff, their government has turned into a more stable version of Rapture. As far as I know now, Caldari is clean. And they make hella nerfed weapons. Woooooo this game is crazy! (Caldari still sucks eggs) I'm more bark then bite...sometimes... "KLAAA PLASMAAAA!!!"
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.19 19:36:00 - [116] - Quote Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.19 20:14:00 - [117] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. Your Elders have left your people child, it'd be wise to do the same. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.19 21:13:00 - [118] - Quote Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principals reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. Minmatar were the only ones who were developing a gate technology that relied on different principles, but since the Amarr conquered them, the technology was lost. It was apparently closer to the Acceleration Gates that are in EVE than anything we use right now, though it allowed for interstellar travel, rather than just inside the same system. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 711	Posted - 2015.06.20 14:14:00 - [119] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. Minmatar were the only ones who were developing a gate technology that relied on different principles, but since the Amarr conquered them, the technology was lost. It was apparently closer to the Acceleration Gates that are in EVE than anything we use right now, though it allowed for interstellar travel, rather than just inside the same system. lol that sig tho n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.20 17:31:00 - [120] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. Minmatar were the only ones who were developing a gate technology that relied on different principles, but since the Amarr conquered them, the technology was lost. It was apparently closer to the Acceleration Gates that are in EVE than anything we use right now, though it allowed for interstellar travel, rather than just inside the same system. lol that sig tho I was giggling quite a lot after I read that. Was from a Skype conversation with a fellow forum person "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon

knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.20 19:05:00 - [121] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. Your Elders have left your people child, it'd be wise to do the same. They did not leave us, the are still with us. Kin of the Vherokior tribe and warrior of the republic Self proclaimed minmatar lore master
Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 30	Posted - 2015.06.20 19:47:00 - [122] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. It's really unfortunate that the Caldari and Gallente couldn't coexist, think of the technological progress that could have been made (of a nonviolent nature) if they hadn't.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.20 20:24:00 - [123] - Quote Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. It's really unfortunate that the Caldari and Gallente couldn't coexist, think of the technological progress that could have been made (of a nonviolent nature) if they hadn't. Caldari and Gallente technological progress was astonishing back in those days. Super high competition and cooperation from both sides has proven to give both empires the kickstart necessary to catch up to the Amarr in terms of expansion despite the Amarr being a LOT older. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
D0G Merc Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.06.21 00:27:00 - [124] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. It's really unfortunate that the Caldari and Gallente couldn't coexist, think of the technological progress that could have been made (of a nonviolent nature) if they hadn't. Caldari and Gallente technological progress was astonishing back in those days. Super high competition and cooperation from both sides has proven to give both empires the kickstart necessary to catch up to the Amarr in terms of expansion despite the Amarr being a LOT older. WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 427	Posted - 2015.06.21 02:46:00 - [125] - Quote D0G Merc wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. It's really unfortunate that the Caldari and Gallente couldn't coexist, think of the technological progress that could have been made (of a nonviolent nature) if they hadn't. Caldari and Gallente technological progress was astonishing back in those days. Super high competition and cooperation from both sides has proven to give both empires the kickstart necessary to catch up to the Amarr in terms of expansion despite the Amarr being a LOT older. WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF sigh... it was bound to happen sooner or later... D0G Merc.... psh Yassavi Approved. -Aero Yassavi
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.06.21 03:13:00 - [126] - Quote D0G Merc wrote: WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF Who's a good boy! "The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.21 15:09:00 - [127] - Quote D0G Merc wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. It's really unfortunate that the Caldari and Gallente couldn't coexist, think of the technological progress that could have been made (of a nonviolent nature) if they hadn't. Caldari and Gallente technological progress was astonishing back in those days. Super high competition and cooperation from both sides has proven to give both empires the kickstart necessary to catch up to the Amarr in terms of expansion despite the Amarr being a LOT older. WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF I didn't order a subwoofer. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cloak Dog Horizons' Edge No Context 60	Posted - 2015.06.21 19:47:00 - [128] - Quote D0G Merc wrote: WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF Don't tempt me. I'm more bark then bite...sometimes... "KLAAA PLASMAAAA!!!"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.21 20:16:00 - [129] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.21 20:19:00 - [130] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. some of your grammatical errors disturb me. also hows Burn Amarr going Kin of the Vherokior tribe and warrior of the republic Self proclaimed minmatar lore master

Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 718	Posted - 2015.06.21 20:40:00 - [131] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. I wanna see what every race looks like without a dropsuit on. n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.21 20:51:00 - [132] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. some of your grammatical errors disturb me. also hows Burn Amarr going Didn't have time this morning to do a proper proof reading. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.21 21:09:00 - [133] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. I wanna see what every race looks like without a dropsuit on. True Amarr - http://evewho.com/pilot/Soren%20Tyrhanos NB: The Amarr aren't a naturally fast ageing race however age and experience merits respect amongst them and many actively choose to have procedures undertake to make them look older. Siebestor - http://evewho.com/pilot/Satja%20Askari "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.21 21:23:00 - [134] - Quote True, if a Minmatar from the Republic decides to live in the empire, would he be accepted without being turned into a slave? Will he be treated like True Amarr or are there discriminating laws against them? "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.21 21:30:00 - [135] - Quote I support the Caldari because their way of life reminds me a lot of my time in the military and I love the structure of it. I also like their "Leave me alone" mentality. But one of the flaws of the Caldari is their xenophobia. No, they're not xenophobic like "KILL ALL WHO ARE NOT CALDARI!!!" but they do not trust or really even like people who were not born Caldari. I feel like Victor is taking the word xenophobia harder than it really is. We don't trust other peoples, its as simple as that. We don't have witch-hunts for people who are outsiders living in our lands, but the fact remains that we hold native Caldari in higher esteem than outsiders. This is xenophobia to a tee. A problem I have with Caldari game-wise is the lack of decent channels to join. I was in State Task Force for awhile, but all I ever heard from them was people whining and shouting matches when we should have been queueing. Plus, while I like to fight for Caldari, I choose playing with friends and having fun over leaving a queue just because they want to play for Gallente sometimes. Enjoying the game and the people I play with come first, then Caldari loyalty. Apparently that rubs some people in STF the wrong way. Regardless, I'd like to join a cfw channel that isn't so uotight as to expect me to stop playing with my friends because they are queueing Gallente. Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.21 21:50:00 - [136] - Quote Gallente = Xenophilia Commander Shepard = Xenophilia Gallente = Commander Shepard = You will never be better than Gallente "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 21	Posted - 2015.06.21 22:16:00 - [137] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I support the Caldari because their way of life reminds me a lot of my time in the military and I love the structure of it. I also like their "Leave me alone" mentality. But one of the flaws of the Caldari is their xenophobia. No, they're not xenophobic like "KILL ALL WHO ARE NOT CALDARI!!!" but they do not trust or really even like people who were not born Caldari. I feel like Victor is taking the word xenophobia harder than it really is. We don't trust other peoples, its as simple as that. We don't have witch-hunts for people who are outsiders living in our lands, but the fact remains that we hold native Caldari in higher esteem than outsiders. This is xenophobia to a tee. A problem I have with Caldari game-wise is the lack of decent channels to join. I was in State Task Force for awhile, but all I ever heard from them was people whining and shouting matches when we should have been queueing. Plus, while I like to fight for Caldari, I choose playing with friends and having fun over leaving a queue just because they want to play for Gallente sometimes. Enjoying the game and the people I play with come first, then Caldari loyalty. Apparently that rubs some people in STF the wrong way. Regardless, I'd like to join a cfw channel that isn't so uotight as to expect me to stop playing with my friends because they are queueing Gallente. Who is Victor I am Victus ? For the glorious Caldari State
Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 30	Posted - 2015.06.21 23:57:00 - [138] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: No, they're not xenophobic like "KILL ALL WHO ARE NOT CALDARI!!!" but they do not trust or really even like people who were not born Caldari. Mordu's legion wouldn't exist if this were the case.
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 130	Posted - 2015.06.22 00:31:00 - [139] - Quote Quick question, with little to do with the topic. Sgt Kirk and True Adamance... do they represent the best players of their factions? Ive played with Sgt Kirk once in the same team and remember he did great in that game. True Adamance, if I am not mistaken, I was against him once, trying to destroy his tank without accomplishing it (not sure if it was him, could be wrong) and he was killing everyone. Anyway, the question. Do they represent the best players of their factions? If not, who is the "best" player of each faction? Also with caldari and minmatar. Thanks.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 00:32:00 - [140] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: True, if a Minmatar from the Republic decides to live in the empire, would he be accepted without being turned into a slave? Will he be treated like True Amarr or are there discriminating laws against them? Hmmm now that is an interesting concept and on I am going to my 'loremaster' with. [Yes even I have a lore master who I go to with questions]. I'd still say no though. The reason Amarr enslave races is because of an obscure religion principle from the Scriptures used after the pacification of Assimia and the Udorians who inhabited the continent. Thus the Amarr can only enslave those they conquer . Also in the modern Empire after Heideran VIII's rule Slave taking is illegal so I'd guess that immigrants are not enslaved. There are plenty of non-Amarrians who convert to the faith and whom I believe are not made slaves but given what education and tutelage that they need to become the Faithful. It's worth noting that the Amarr Faith is actually rather prominent in the Federation alongside many other kinds of religions though I believe it's doctrine does not accept the value of the Reclaiming even if they do worship the same god. As for the second question......that's also and interesting question. Honestly I don't know though I would hazard to say that it wholly depends on which social caste you are comparing them to or perhaps from the perspective of and in which regions of space those families are. Various Heir families have different views of Imperial politics and their followers typically share these opinions as well. On the most fundamental level possible I would suggest no. The Empires and the Amarr are no exception are ethnocentric and with positions of power traditionally in the hands of True Amarr. Though as the Amarr have brought more peoples into its fold the number of non True Amarr Holders and people in leadership positions is increasing. Give the Amarr another 50 years or so and perhaps the stigmata, True Amarr are according to Scripture God's chosen people meant to lead all others, of being a former slave or Non-True Amarrian will be gone. For example. The Udorians, the ethnicity my character recognises, has all but vanished from the Empire and what once was a different ethnicity is now so genetically close to True Amarr that the distinction is not particularly clear. That being said when the Tash-Murkon ascended to the position of Holders and Heir family they were met with strong opposition which has lessened now they have proven themselves assets to the Empire [Not to mention Her Radiance, Lady Catiz Tash-Murkon is the richest woman in the Empire]. The Tash-Murkon are a faction within the Empire supported mainly by those noble families who claim Udorian descent, Ni-Kunni, former slaves, etc who admire the pragmatic approach to liberalism they take. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 00:39:00 - [141] - Quote Mikel Arias wrote: Quick question, with little to do with the topic. Sgt Kirk and True Adamance... do they represent the best players of their factions? Ive played with Sgt Kirk once in the same team and remember he did great in that game. True Adamance, if I am not mistaken, I was against him once, trying to destroy his tank without accomplishing it (not sure if it was him, could be wrong) and he was killing everyone. Anyway, the question. Do they represent the best players of their factions? If not, who is the "best" player of each faction? Also with caldari and minmatar. Thanks. I'm certainly not the best player who uses Amarrian content by a long shot. The competition in the field is/was ******* intense. I might be one of the best HAV pilots who identify as an Amarrian loyalist though that is a very specific qualification. That being said Kirk is arguably one of the best Gallentean loyalists in the game and if you watch his gameplay very good at what he does. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 130	Posted - 2015.06.22 00:46:00 - [142] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: Quick question, with little to do with the topic. Sgt Kirk and True Adamance... do they represent the best players of their factions? Ive played with Sgt Kirk once in the same team and remember he did great in that game. True Adamance, if I am not mistaken, I was against him once, trying to destroy his tank without accomplishing it (not sure if it was him, could be wrong) and he was killing everyone. Anyway, the question. Do they represent the best players of their factions? If not, who is the "best" player of each faction? Also with caldari and minmatar. Thanks. I'm certainly not the best player who uses Amarrian content by a long shot. The competition in the field is/was ******* intense. I might be one of the best HAV pilots who identify as an Amarrian loyalist though that is a very specific qualification. That being said Kirk is arguably one of the best Gallentean loyalists in the game and if you watch his gameplay very good at what he does. Thanks for the answer. And what about caldari and minmatar best players, any idea?
Combat Placenta Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2015.06.22 01:40:00 - [143] - Quote Not sure if it was official or just fan made stuff, but back when I was playing I saw some cool posts about supposed technical lore for the different suits. Heavies being genetically altered to have 2 spines to support the weight of their suits and scouts being altered to have hollow bones, making them the fast twitchy @ssholes that they are. Those are the only 2 examples I remember.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.22 01:51:00 - [144] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. Does it truly call for action? A great many slaves within the Amarr Empire practice the Amarrian faith barring a very small minority. Many slaves that have been emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue their worship only to be victimised by the people who claimed to be their kinsmen. Additionally worth consideration is that the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low, and cooler heads prevail in the upper echelons of noble society.. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer and as such the Minmatar have no claim to them. These slaves are practising faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made a great many cultural concessions during our time on the cluster wide political stage. These are cultural concessions we've not been forced to make but have done for the sake of cluster wide stability. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. The empress herself has issued a decree that all slaves whose bloodlines can be traced back at least seven generations from their initial point of enslavement are to be emancipated with full rights of citizenship. Amarrian slavery is often much less brutal than a lot of the views of slavery we have today (where we think american colonization, sugar & cotton era), and more often it is closer to classical slavery (greek/roman & egyptian) where it can be harsh and brutal, but there's often unbelievably, incredibly strict laws that determine how it's practiced. "Slaves" can in theory rise to great status within the amarrian empire, even moreso after they are 'emancipated' with the full rights of amarrian citizens. The kameira's are slaves, and they are well respected as one of the greatest military forces in new eden. Really it comes down to the fact where the amarrian society has asked the question of "Is having an 'owner' such a bad thing?" and for most the answer is "No". The Amarr know who owns them. The caldari know what corporation owns them. The gallente claim to be free, but the vast majority fail to understand that they are bought and paid for by corporate interests. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 04:11:00 - [145] - Quote I will admit I am a upper-middle tier scrublord! Also was not aware about the seven generation emancipation in addition to the tenth generation slave emancipations. However Mina makes a very valid point in that Amarrian slavery is often described as less like an exploitation of a people purely for the sake of having a work force and more akin to what could be considered classical forms of slavery. The Romans practised various forms of it during one of which was the concept of patronage. In this system the patron, otherwise known as patronus or patrocinium, became the protector, sponsor, and benefactor or a client, or cliens, in a hierarchical relationship in which the cliens was expected to fulfil obligations to their master. Also worth noting in terms of Roman slavery slaves usually fulfilled domestic tasks and became highly skilled in various jobs and professions such as teaching, accounting, and also as physicians. Only low skilled slaves of those out rightly obstinate were treated harshly or sentenced to hard labour. Freedmen were eventually endowed with citizenship and political power to vote, though admittedly could not run for office, and could never be enslaved again. A lot of classical examples of slavery talks about how the poor used to sell themselves into slavery to ensure a better quality of life though at the cost of their personal freedoms. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.22 04:17:00 - [146] - Quote ^It can in ways be similar to serfdom too. Which for some time wasn't actually all that bad, because there were a huge amount of legal responsibilities a lord had to his serfs... it was only after some things changed that lords lost their legal obligations and mostly worked on trying to get rid of their serfs to use land for grazing sheep. And I'm not 100% about the specifics of Jamyl's decree (especially in regards to which specific generation), though I know she made one and it upset some holders. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 30	Posted - 2015.06.22 05:11:00 - [147] - Quote Amarrian slavery isn't so bad, that's why it's used as a punitive measure to coerce religious conversion.
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 130	Posted - 2015.06.22 17:42:00 - [148] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. Does it truly call for action? A great many slaves within the Amarr Empire practice the Amarrian faith barring a very small minority. Many slaves that have been emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue their worship only to be victimised by the people who claimed to be their kinsmen. Additionally worth consideration is that the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low, and cooler heads prevail in the upper echelons of noble society.. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer and as such the Minmatar have no claim to them. These slaves are practising faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made a great many cultural concessions during our time on the cluster wide political stage. These are cultural concessions we've not been forced to make but have done for the sake of cluster wide stability. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. The empress herself has issued a decree that all slaves whose bloodlines can be traced back at least seven generations from their initial point of enslavement are to be emancipated with full rights of citizenship. Amarrian slavery is often much less brutal than a lot of the views of slavery we have today (where we think american colonization, sugar & cotton era), and more often it is closer to classical slavery (greek/roman & egyptian) where it can be harsh and brutal, but there's often unbelievably, incredibly strict laws that determine how it's practiced. "Slaves" can in theory rise to great status within the amarrian empire, even moreso after they are 'emancipated' with the full rights of amarrian citizens. The kameira's are slaves, and they are well respected as one of the greatest military forces in new eden. Really it comes down to the fact where the amarrian society has asked the question of "Is having an 'owner' such a bad thing?" and for most the answer is "No". The Amarr know who owns them. The caldari know what corporation owns them. The gallente claim to be free, but the vast majority fail to understand that they are bought and paid for by corporate interests. Mikel Arias wrote: Quick question, with little to do with the topic. Sgt Kirk and True Adamance... do they represent the best players of their factions? Ive played with Sgt Kirk once in the same team and remember he did great in that game. True Adamance, if I am not mistaken, I was against him once, trying to destroy his tank without accomplishing it (not sure if it was him, could be wrong) and he was killing everyone. Anyway, the question. Do they represent the best players of their factions? If not, who is the "best" player of each faction? Also with caldari and minmatar. Thanks. No more than I would be the 'best' caldari player. Kirk is apparently pretty good, but I think true and I would be happy to admit we're upper-mid tier scrublords. If you want an honest answer for caldari though, it's kaizuka sniper, he uses whatever gear allows him to stay on top though. Kaizuka... There is no reason in particular, but I dont really like him. Maybe because he kicks my ass every time he is in the enemy team...
Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 719	Posted - 2015.06.22 20:40:00 - [149] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: True, if a Minmatar from the Republic decides to live in the empire, would he be accepted without being turned into a slave? Will he be treated like True Amarr or are there discriminating laws against them? Hmmm now that is an interesting concept and on I am going to my 'loremaster' with. [Yes even I have a lore master who I go to with questions]. points Ha! Nerd! If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident. probably.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 21:39:00 - [150] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: True, if a Minmatar from the Republic decides to live in the empire, would he be accepted without being turned into a slave? Will he be treated like True Amarr or are there discriminating laws against them? Hmmm now that is an interesting concept and on I am going to my 'loremaster' with. [Yes even I have a lore master who I go to with questions]. points Ha! Nerd! Samira is smart. Samira is wise. Samira will turn you eyes to jelly with but a glance. Her lore mastering shall melt your puny brains! "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`

Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 720	Posted - 2015.06.22 23:36:00 - [151] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mex-0 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: True, if a Minmatar from the Republic decides to live in the empire, would he be accepted without being turned into a slave? Will he be treated like True Amarr or are there discriminating laws against them? Hmmm now that is an interesting concept and on I am going to my 'loremaster' with. [Yes even I have a lore master who I go to with questions]. points Ha! Nerd! Samira is smart. Samira is wise. Samira will turn you eyes to jelly with but a glance. Her lore mastering shall melt your puny brains! points to samira Ha! Ner- AHH MY EYES!! If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident. probably.


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