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Cloak Dog
Horizons' Edge No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.16 03:42:00 -
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Amarr is the racist race that took advantage of the situation to start slavery again. The Minmatar are the people who became inslaved for I don't know why, color or something. They rebel, thats cool. I like this game.
Gallente has the only good government when it comes to freedom fighting, and I have no idea why they hate Caldari. I can assume its because Caldari supplies anyone with anything as long as there is profit to be made. That sounds pretty legit, I'd start a war over that. Caldari sucks eggs.
Mercenaries are like Caldari, shoot anything for anyone if there is a profit to be made. Also I think its cool how your a mercenary and not a caldari or gallente loyalist. Although I prefer Gallente but also like Caldari weapons **** there business smarts.
Something about Caldari Prime, blah bleh lotsa death.
Black Eagles scouts are really freaking awesome.
Amarr ladies can rock dat battle skirt.
Allies become enemies with the enemies allies, yadda yadda I want a movie.
I think I covered everything important. If not please I want to know moar so I can have a reason to keep playing this game.
I'm more bark then bite...sometimes...
"KLAAA PLASMAAAA!!!"
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.16 03:54:00 -
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Holy cow dude, this is all wrong.
Alright, so this is going to be a very long post so give me a second to get it all together.
This is going to be Metal Gear Solid Cutscene long.
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.06.16 03:59:00 -
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This is a job only True has the patients for...
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:01:00 -
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Totes!
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:03:00 -
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We need True, STAT!
"The humanoid cyclone stampede" - Russel Mendoza
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knight guard fury
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:11:00 -
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i can either tell and inform you everything about the minmatar or just give you links... but ill just tell you and provide links after each explanation!
and hopefully true can come here and tell you about the amarr.
Kin of the Vherokior tribe
I'm a pure minmatar loyalist
I discuss things based on EVE lore.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:19:00 -
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The fundamental of the EvE universe is that in the large scale of things everyone has the potential of good and bad forming a clouded silver lining that isn't so black and white as you described.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:34:00 -
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You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut.
The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past.
Tbh just read the evelopedia
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Squagga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
799
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:40:00 -
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The Caldari were originally part of the federation. At some point we decided to start doing our own things, the Gallente wanted us to start reporting to them what we were doing. We decided we didn't like that answer. Then wars started, and more Gallente decided to leave. There's a bit more to it, but that's the gist of it.
Shields, the silent killer.
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Cloak Dog
Horizons' Edge No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:43:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut.
The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past.
Tbh just read the evelopedia THERES AND EVELOPEDIA AAAHHHHHHHH SERIOUSLY.
I'm more bark then bite...sometimes...
"KLAAA PLASMAAAA!!!"
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:53:00 -
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Cloak Dog wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut.
The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past.
Tbh just read the evelopedia THERES AND EVELOPEDIA AAAHHHHHHHH SERIOUSLY.
=ƒîá The more you know.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:01:00 -
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Seriously.......... I'd be glad to educate you. Starting with the Amarr being more of less my speciality. That being said there is something you need to understand first.
Right and wrong mean very little in New Eden. The four major factions all have glaring flaws that set them apart form their counterparts and contemporary examples of similar cultures.
For instance, and to clarify you, the Amarr are not a racist people who took advantage of a situation to institute racism 'again.' What they are is a theocratic empire composed of many trillions of believers all of whom agree that it is their divine mandate to unite the cluster as one people and that slavery is but one of many ways to achieve that unity.
The Amarr were more or less , though they don't know this, the descendants of religious colonists who passed through the EVE gate and were thrown into a social and technological dark age when the gate collapsed scattering them across the surface of a temperate desert world known as Athra.
They experiences immediate persecution for their beliefs during the earliest years of recorded history being forced from the main continental drift known as Assimia to a small isle known as Amarr Island where they split into groups led by Warlords all of whom answered to a united church. Eventually one warlord, Amarr Asakura united the factions and formed the first Empire, establishing a medieval nobility and peasant class.
United as one Empire the newly forged Amarr took to the main continent where the city states of the Udorians lay and began to wage intermittent wars with them slowly claiming more and more of the continent. The Amarr then formed an alliance with another people, the Khanid, and waged a joint conflict against the Udorians until eventually the last few resisting cities fell to the Amarr all before the modern age of automatic weapons.
What the Amarr however were to do with an entire people post war having formerly pressed Udorian sailors into service in their armies was then the logical step. Using an obscure reference from the Scriptures, the Amarrian religious text, the precedent was set that the Amarr could morally enslave the Udorians and rule over them. They did this for a time until it became well practiced that after several generations of good service slave were to be freed and made full Amarrian citizens.
This trend persisted well into the era of space flight where the Amarr eventually discovered other fragments of humanity on other far flung worlds. These people they too enslaved, easily dominating them with technological supremacy. It was here the concept of Reclaiming, a religious war of conquest became a powerful driving force in Amarr culture, with them believing that it was their divine role to gather the fragments of humankind and mold them into one people. It was also at this time the Amarr began cruelly experimenting on the captives in what was known as the Human Endurance Project.
Anyhow this persisted into the Unchallenged Era where the Amarr encountered the Minmatar, a people who had reached space flight technology and called themselves the Minmatar Empire. This was the first time the Amarr had ever truly encountered another race like the Minmatar and capitalising like you said on a planet wide storm the Amarr flooded the system, crushed the resistance, and depopulated entire worlds taking billions of Minmatar as slaves. They did this every few years crushing Matari technological developments each time.
Eventually the Amarr encountered the Gallente and the Caldari, the former who loathed the practice of slavery and conspired with a fifth known entity the Jovian Directorate to liberate the Minmatar.
Unknowingly the Amarr manoeuvred themselves into a corner declaring war on the Jovians, a vastly superior technological entity, fighting a battle at Vak' Atioth where an entire 200 ship squadron of the Imperial Navy equipped with the latest technologies fought Jovian Frigates, Cruisers, and a lone Mothership. The Amarrian fleet was annihilated to a man their ships ordered to hold their ground no matter the cost though destroying one in every three Jovian vessels.
In the wake of that defeat across the cluster billions of Matari slaves rose up against the Amarr with Jovian and Gallentean aid starting a bloody war that was known of the Great Rebellion. Millions of Amarr died. Hundred of Millions of Minmatar perished as well.
If we skip ahead to the modern age we exist in the Amarr are actually a much more mild people than they were. The role of Holders, the Amarrian nobility, was reaffirmed as a role of caring for slaves so that they could transition into Amarrian society while the Emperor of the time Heideran VIII declared that the act of 'slave taking' was to be outlawed.
Nowadays more reasonable heads prevail in the Empire and slave taking it at an all time low barring the illegal actions of slavers whom the Amarr punish fiercely. The Amarr however still fight their war against the Minmatar who are unwilling to let the past die and were recently subject to an attack by Minmatar fleets whom broke inter-empire law only to have that fleet smashed aside over Sarum Prime.
Understanding the Amarr means looking at them from their perspective. They do not and have never seen slavery as wrong, nor is it an institution solely designed to benefit from a cheap labour force. They genuinely believe that by bringing the Minmatar into the Empire they are doing them good and slowly helping them understand God.
More over they would be considered arrogant by our standards but that is due to the widely held belief that as Amarrians they are a chosen people charged with ruling the masses. However ironically life in the Empire is about as normal as one could get.
"Crush all who complain!"
- Arkena Wyrnspire
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:06:00 -
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Sadly the small 'informative' segments at the start of game and in media are horrifically biased in favour of 'liberals'.
"Crush all who complain!"
- Arkena Wyrnspire
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:08:00 -
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True: the all wise.
"The humanoid cyclone stampede" - Russel Mendoza
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:10:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sadly the small 'informative' segments at the start of game and in media are horrifically biased in favour of 'liberals'. FREEEDOM!
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
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Cloak Dog
Horizons' Edge No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:12:00 -
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Soooooo, the Amarr were religious freaks, which eventually learned their lesson. But the Minmatar still hate them for it COOL.TELL ME MORE. :O
I'm more bark then bite...sometimes...
"KLAAA PLASMAAAA!!!"
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:14:00 -
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Amarr and Minmatar Relationship simply put:
Amarr think it's their goddamn right to rule over the "Inferior" Minmatar.
Well, it's my goddamn right to shove a knife up their arse that I stole from Caldari and tell em' to get real.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:16:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Amarr and Minmatar Relationship simply put:
Amarr think it's their goddamn right to rule over the "Inferior" Minmatar.
Well, it's my goddamn right to shove a knife up their arse that I stole from Caldari and tell em' to get real.
It is my right, my freedom blessed right, to tell you that you are stupid.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:17:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Amarr and Minmatar Relationship simply put:
Amarr think it's their goddamn right to guide the "Inferior" races of New Eden.
Well, it's my goddamn right to kneel before them while telling them we're sorry "lets be pals". It's the only way and I you know it
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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knight guard fury
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:20:00 -
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now where to start... i think ill just start with our people.
for us Minmatar, we believe that we should be able to take care of ourselves, but our kin and family play a very important role in our lives as well. though we are one race as an entity, we prefer to identify ourselves by the clan we are from and most Minmatar specialize in one area of activity; While those who live on a planet focus on agricultural or industrial activities, but there are others who travel around New Eden to concentrate on trading, pirating, and and all sorts of other careers out there.
before the Amarr invasion and them enslaving Minmatar people, we use to war against each other for various reasons, but we have learned that cooperation is more important but we still identify ourselves by our tribe, but we form as one when acting towards other empires. as you know or may not know we are the largest of the empires and a fifth of our people are in Gallente space and many Minmatar are still enslaved as well.
history and other important information about our people
The Amarr invasion or what we call, Day of Darkness
The Amarr first discovered us Minmatar early in 22355 AD. they found us as a potential threat and scouted us out, finding out what our defenses and capabilities were and eventually attacked when the tie was right. there initial attack was on Pator while a massive storm was also occurring as well. and at the time we weren't exactly ready for a large scale fight against the Amarr, not having fought a battle of that scale for centuries and them already having destroyed much of Pator already. afterwards they started sending in their slave vessels and enslaving all the survivors of the planets they attacked.
Day of Darkness/amarr invasion
Minmatar rebellion the minmatar rebellion started when our elders came out of hiding and had brought a large fleet with them in order to free as many enslaved Minmatar as possible, they did this at the time of the Amarr and Jovian war, and in doing so they now claimed as to what is known today as the Minmatar Republic.
Minmatar Rebellion
Post Rebellion
Many of us Minmatar went on to be freedom fighters, raiding Amarr slave colonies, but they were considered terrorist by CONCORD and were denounced by the republic leaving some of us feeling betrayed by our leaders. a but later on the republic found out that there were still Starkmanir in the Amarr mandate and we had assembled a fleet of Thukker and naval ships to set course to the mandate and free the Starkmanir, and anyone else who wanted to come back to the republic as well.
In late YC111, Empress Jamyl I emancipated all of the Minmatar slaves in the Empire who were 9th generation or greater.Millions of Minmatar were suddenly free to leave the Empire and return to the Republic.
slavery
slavery was a well known practice throughout all nations, but stopped in the republic after the amarr invasion. nowadays the Minmatar republic formed the tribal assembly now for our government and are becoming more independent as time goes on.
Kin of the Vherokior tribe
I'm a pure minmatar loyalist
I discuss things based on EVE lore.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:20:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Amarr and Minmatar Relationship simply put:
Amarr think it's their goddamn right to rule over the "Inferior" Minmatar.
Well, it's my goddamn right to shove a knife up their arse that I stole from Caldari and tell em' to get real. It is my right, my freedom blessed right, to tell you that you are stupid.
It's my freedom blessed right to tell you that you are too.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:23:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote: Amarr: Mercy upon me Heathen! Minmtar: *Slices Amarr head off*
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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knight guard fury
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:26:00 -
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"The Vherokior privately feel very good about recent events, but generally shy away from displaying this appreciation publicly. They're cautiously optimistic, but at the same time prepared for setbacks."
this is exactly how i am IRL
Kin of the Vherokior tribe
I'm a pure minmatar loyalist
I discuss things based on EVE lore.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
6
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:28:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote: Amarr:One Matar, two Matar, three Matar, four, how many can I score Minmtar: *Runs away flailing arms* Nah B.
I'm an ass irl we can do this all night ;)
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:29:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'll start with the Gallente and Caldari relationship since it's the one I know most intricately. I'll keep things in layman's terms because it can get confusing quick
[...] the Amarr brought the Minmatar into the Space age
NO!
The Minmatar had a thriviving peaceful empire where the tribes were united. They already had space travel, and in fact they colonized 3 solar system. Don't spread misinformation about the Minmatar. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere."
sources: 1, 2
You make it sound like the Amarr brought the Minmatar forward, but really they just halted the progress we were already making on our own.
Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:30:00 -
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knight guard fury wrote:"The Vherokior privately feel very good about recent events, but generally shy away from displaying this appreciation publicly. They're cautiously optimistic, but at the same time prepared for setbacks."
this is exactly how i am IRL I loved the little back story to the elders you link to, kinda wish CCP did something similar for the Amarr
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
2
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:33:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote: Amarr:One Amarr, two Amarr, three Amarr, four! We've got you surrounded Matar Scum. Minmtar: *Slice* *Slice* *Slice* One Amarr, two Amarr, three Amarr, *Slice* None. Not by the hair on my big brown bum!
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:40:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut.
The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past.
Tbh just read the evelopedia
The Amarr view of slavery as a trial of faith (not "trail") is frankly pretty silly. Many subsequent generations descended from slaves will live die as slaves. If they truly wanted to just convert people, they would take the offspring of the first generation, raise them just like they raise regular Amarr children, and they will easily assimilate into the religion and society. Newborn Amarr children don't have to suffer trials of faith through slavery, so why should newborn children of any other race suffer it when they could just be raised as Amarr? If they used the method I described, the enslaved Minmatar could have been all converted and assimilated after the first 100 yrs, with the first defiant generation already dead -- personally I think that would have sucked, but it does prove that their claims of it being about religious integration is BS.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary
7
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:43:00 -
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I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers.
Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar.
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knight guard fury
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:48:00 -
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updated my post. added in some stuff about the elders
Kin of the Vherokior tribe
I'm a pure minmatar loyalist
I discuss things based on EVE lore.
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