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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:01:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously.......... I'd be glad to educate you. Starting with the Amarr being more of less my speciality. That being said there is something you need to understand first. Right and wrong mean very little in New Eden. The four major factions all have glaring flaws that set them apart form their counterparts and contemporary examples of similar cultures. For instance, and to clarify you, the Amarr are not a racist people who took advantage of a situation to institute racism 'again.' What they are is a theocratic empire composed of many trillions of believers all of whom agree that it is their divine mandate to unite the cluster as one people and that slavery is but one of many ways to achieve that unity. The Amarr were more or less , though they don't know this, the descendants of religious colonists who passed through the EVE gate and were thrown into a social and technological dark age when the gate collapsed scattering them across the surface of a temperate desert world known as Athra. They experiences immediate persecution for their beliefs during the earliest years of recorded history being forced from the main continental drift known as Assimia to a small isle known as Amarr Island where they split into groups led by Warlords all of whom answered to a united church. Eventually one warlord, Amarr Asakura united the factions and formed the first Empire, establishing a medieval nobility and peasant class. United as one Empire the newly forged Amarr took to the main continent where the city states of the Udorians lay and began to wage intermittent wars with them slowly claiming more and more of the continent. The Amarr then formed an alliance with another people, the Khanid, and waged a joint conflict against the Udorians until eventually the last few resisting cities fell to the Amarr all before the modern age of automatic weapons. What the Amarr however were to do with an entire people post war having formerly pressed Udorian sailors into service in their armies was then the logical step. Using an obscure reference from the Scriptures, the Amarrian religious text, the precedent was set that the Amarr could morally enslave the Udorians and rule over them. They did this for a time until it became well practiced that after several generations of good service slave were to be freed and made full Amarrian citizens. This trend persisted well into the era of space flight where the Amarr eventually discovered other fragments of humanity on other far flung worlds. These people they too enslaved, easily dominating them with technological supremacy. It was here the concept of Reclaiming, a religious war of conquest became a powerful driving force in Amarr culture, with them believing that it was their divine role to gather the fragments of humankind and mold them into one people. It was also at this time the Amarr began cruelly experimenting on the captives in what was known as the Human Endurance Project. Anyhow this persisted into the Unchallenged Era where the Amarr encountered the Minmatar, a people who had reached space flight technology and called themselves the Minmatar Empire. This was the first time the Amarr had ever truly encountered another race like the Minmatar and capitalising like you said on a planet wide storm the Amarr flooded the system, crushed the resistance, and depopulated entire worlds taking billions of Minmatar as slaves. They did this every few years crushing Matari technological developments each time. Eventually the Amarr encountered the Gallente and the Caldari, the former who loathed the practice of slavery and conspired with a fifth known entity the Jovian Directorate to liberate the Minmatar. Unknowingly the Amarr manoeuvred themselves into a corner declaring war on the Jovians, a vastly superior technological entity, fighting a battle at Vak' Atioth where an entire 200 ship squadron of the Imperial Navy equipped with the latest technologies fought Jovian Frigates, Cruisers, and a lone Mothership. The Amarrian fleet was annihilated to a man their ships ordered to hold their ground no matter the cost though destroying one in every three Jovian vessels. In the wake of that defeat across the cluster billions of Matari slaves rose up against the Amarr with Jovian and Gallentean aid starting a bloody war that was known of the Great Rebellion. Millions of Amarr died. Hundred of Millions of Minmatar perished as well. If we skip ahead to the modern age we exist in the Amarr are actually a much more mild people than they were. The role of Holders, the Amarrian nobility, was reaffirmed as a role of caring for slaves so that they could transition into Amarrian society while the Emperor of the time Heideran VIII declared that the act of 'slave taking' was to be outlawed. Nowadays more reasonable heads prevail in the Empire and slave taking it at an all time low barring the illegal actions of slavers whom the Amarr punish fiercely. The Amarr however still fight their war against the Minmatar who are unwilling to let the past die and were recently subject to an attack by Minmatar fleets whom broke inter-empire law only to have that fleet smashed aside over Sarum Prime. Understanding the Amarr means looking at them from their perspective. They do not and have never seen slavery as wrong, nor is it an institution solely designed to benefit from a cheap labour force. They genuinely believe that by bringing the Minmatar into the Empire they are doing them good and slowly helping them understand God. More over they would be considered arrogant by our standards but that is due to the widely held belief that as Amarrians they are a chosen people charged with ruling the masses. However ironically life in the Empire is about as normal as one could get. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:06:00 - [2] - Quote Sadly the small 'informative' segments at the start of game and in media are horrifically biased in favour of 'liberals'. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 20:37:00 - [3] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. Not even remotely what I would consider technological supremacy over the other races Scheneighnay. The Minmatar Empire [what it was supposedly called at the time] was developed to the point of space flight age however had I suppose you could say was relatively new to it or cautious only having colonised localised system. If the Minmatar did have such and advanced level of technology they did not show it either in their colonisation attempts or in the short few hours it took a few thousand Amarrians to capture billions of Minmatar. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 20:48:00 - [4] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a couple questions. @True - Did the Amarr not try to enslave the Gallente and Caldari as well? If not, what made them different from the Minmatar? And why did the Amarr start by trying to enslave the Jovians? This is the simple answer to the long question. When the Amarr encountered the Gallente they displayed a technological prowess that defied the Amarrian ability to explain. In this case I believe it was the Microwarp Drive that had thrown the initial expeditionary corps into disarray. In this case rather than being able to properly observe the Gallenteans as they had done the Minmatar they took a more reserved approach eventually discovering that the Gallente Federation was a close technological ally and the first truly unified star spanning race they'd encountered. Unlike the Gallentean Federation that was hardened by decades of conflict against the Caldari the Amarrian Navy was better suited for patrolling space lanes and subjugating technologically inferior entities with superior force. It was decided that of the targets presenting themselves there was little to gain from engaging the Gallente in an all out war. Which is why if I am not mistaken the Amarr turned to the enigmatic Jove who appeared to be weaker than they were. Perhaps it can be put down to over confidence that the Amarr began to mass against the Jove having recently emerged from dozens of successful previous conquests. Udorian, Ealur. Ni-Kunni, Minmatar, etc. They massed a small arm of the Imperial Navy, 200 sub capital vessels with the latest armour and laser technology, and announced their intent to conquer the Jove. The battle was to be set in a section of space known as Vak Atioth which resulted in a loss by the Amarrian forces attributed to numerous factors. The ships captains were ordered to hold the field, Jovian Intelligence was impeccable, a sympathiser sold out the Amarr to the Jove, and the Jove had several thousand years of technological advancements over the Amarr. Despite the total annihilation of the fleet the Amarr did not cyno in any further vessels including Dreadnaughts which they had developed, and regrouped in Amarrian space. As for the Caldari? I think it was universally agreed that the Empire and State would make good allies in a pragmatic sense. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 20:54:00 - [5] - Quote I also have a few other points to dispute mainly with Kage but I already know how he feels on the subject. One big important part of the Amarrian-Minmatar debate is the difficulty I have trying to explain the stand point and culture of the Amarr to most players and trying to discuss the topic where Minmatar players can step out of their preconceived notion of "The Grand Democratic World" and critically look at both groups. I often think I sound like an Amarrian apologist but I feel it necessary to try to explain the social and cultural nuances. Also in terms of IC [In character opinion] I stand with the Amarrian Pro-Heideran Pragmatic Liberalists. I'm not against liberalism like some staunch Ardishapurites are but I accept that it's not a perfect concept and am willing to use it pragmatically to advance my personal agenda in the NOBLE TASH-MURKON WAY! "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 21:19:00 - [6] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I forgot the amarr/gallente conflict ended decisively in stalemate. Well there was that time that Uriam Kador invaded Solitude in the Gallente Federation and when threatened by a retaliatory fleet instead of the Empress massing the Empire for war she simply allowed the Gallente to attack the Kador homeworld directly. Brilliant political move in hind sight with her publicly castigating the Heir and appropriating his personal fleet to merge it with the Imperial 7th Fleet in Aridia renewing it. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 00:36:00 - [7] - Quote In the end there is no point basing your choice of faction based on real world notions of what is right and wrong. It stops mattering in New Eden when you realise that no faction is just, moral, and ethical in practice. The Amarr want to unite humanity but practice a rigid social hierarchy and slavery to achieve those means. Is this right? Culturally yes. Moral? Hell no. Ethical? Yes. The Gallente envision a free cluster where all live well but their society is ruled by the self serving who care little for the liberties of others. Is this right? Yes. It is Moral? Yes. Is it ethical? Hell no. The Caldari wish to thrive and prosper in their own way without intervention by outside forces. Yet this makes them interventionist and their society is xenophobic and close. It this right? Yes. Moral? Maybe. Ethical? Maybe. The Minmatar are a burgeoning people living in a post war empire reassembling their cultural identity while being galvanised to violence and unending bloodshed by Elders who claim to have their best interests at heart. Is it right? Yes. Moral. Gods no. Ethical. Sure. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:00:00 - [8] - Quote Victus Auxellias wrote: True Adamance wrote: In the end there is no point basing your choice of faction based on real world notions of what is right and wrong. It stops mattering in New Eden when you realise that no faction is just, moral, and ethical in practice. The Amarr want to unite humanity but practice a rigid social hierarchy and slavery to achieve those means. Is this right? Culturally yes. Moral? Hell no. Ethical? Yes. The Gallente envision a free cluster where all live well but their society is ruled by the self serving who care little for the liberties of others. Is this right? Yes. It is Moral? Yes. Is it ethical? Hell no. The Caldari wish to thrive and prosper in their own way without intervention by outside forces. Yet this makes them interventionist and their society is xenophobic and close. It this right? Yes. Moral? Maybe. Ethical? Maybe. The Minmatar are a burgeoning people living in a post war empire reassembling their cultural identity while being galvanised to violence and unending bloodshed by Elders who claim to have their best interests at heart. Is it right? Yes. Moral. Gods no. Ethical. Sure. The state has never been xenophobic , the state has always accepted non Caldari into the State as long as you are willing to abide by the rules. As I have previously mentioned to be Caldari is not a racial aspect to be Caldari is to be a member of the state to be a citizen, alongside the three dominant races that founded the nation being the Deteis, Civire and the Achura you also have other bloodlines. The state is nationalist not xenophobic and this is because of the long term conflict that has been endured making us extremely defensive. A citizen identifies firstly as Caldari as a way of life, secondly the loyalty to their corporation and if mentioned at all then the origin of the ethnicity but this is irrelevant to a Caldari other than in cases of traditionalism when marrying with the three main ethnicities rarely intermarrying due to the differences in temperament and partly due to the conduct in which Caldari are paired regarding corporate controlled marriage to only suitable partners based on rank and status and a myriad factors including personality compatibility and matching appearance but within the State no matter ethnicity once a citizen of the state you are identified as racially Caldari. The State is incredibly xenophobic when it comes to the preservation of their blood lines and culture. Especially in some of the more traditional Megacorporations like Sukuveesta, CBD, and Nugoeihuvi...and lets not forget the Waschi Uprising...... The Caldari do fit the term xenophobic as they generally do have a mistrust for those from other cultures. It's not a hostile xenophobia it's just a general cultural facet that they dislike being influenced by outside sources and rather prefer their own ways to others. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:01:00 - [9] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: The olny Caldari megacorp that's good in my book is Ishukone. I personally hate Ishukone, only because they created the Ishukone ARR, which is part of the "FoTM chasing k/d padded explosive chucking 'veteran' " pack. I do too but mainly because Ishukone is played out as the 'liberal saviors' of the Caldari which others are shunted in obscurity. You never hear about the practicals these days. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:37:00 - [10] - Quote I don't think Nouvelle Rouvenor, Heuromont, Waschi, and the recent Provist regime led by a suspected Templis Dragonaur. That being said in having read about the Caldari a bit more it's clear there is an 'Us and Them' feel to the way they interpret nations/culture. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:45:00 - [11] - Quote Victus Auxellias wrote: Interestingly biased viewpoints..... You have quite the positive view of the Caldari don't you? "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 01:55:00 - [12] - Quote Victus Auxellias wrote: True Adamance wrote: I don't think Nouvelle Rouvenor, Heuromont, Waschi, and the recent Provist regime led by a suspected Templis Dragonaur are isolated examples. That being said in having read about the Caldari a bit more it's clear there is an 'Us and Them' feel to the way they interpret nations/culture. Predominantly all of these actions were carried out by the same group the Templis Dragonaurs led today by Tibus Heth who is a radical, the majority of the State do not share those views. To label them as anything but isolated would be incorrect as they are isolated in regards to the State as they are not common practice or shared agenda and the patriot bloc of the State is against the Tibus Heth regime which is seen as overly extreme and ultranationalist. Though it pales in comparison to the atrocities committed by the Ultranationalist fascist party of the Gallente that are responsible for acts of terror during the attack on Caldari Prime which billions of lives of both Caldari and Gallente citizens as well as the other races who were on Caldari Prime at the time were slaughtered in a xenophobic attack. To label one as xenophobic and the other not is absurd. And yet for all that talk about 'One People'........ "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.17 02:27:00 - [13] - Quote Victus Auxellias wrote: True Adamance wrote: Victus Auxellias wrote: True Adamance wrote: I don't think Nouvelle Rouvenor, Heuromont, Waschi, and the recent Provist regime led by a suspected Templis Dragonaur are isolated examples. That being said in having read about the Caldari a bit more it's clear there is an 'Us and Them' feel to the way they interpret nations/culture. Predominantly all of these actions were carried out by the same group the Templis Dragonaurs led today by Tibus Heth who is a radical, the majority of the State do not share those views. To label them as anything but isolated would be incorrect as they are isolated in regards to the State as they are not common practice or shared agenda and the patriot bloc of the State is against the Tibus Heth regime which is seen as overly extreme and ultranationalist. Though it pales in comparison to the atrocities committed by the Ultranationalist fascist party of the Gallente that are responsible for acts of terror during the attack on Caldari Prime which billions of lives of both Caldari and Gallente citizens as well as the other races who were on Caldari Prime at the time were slaughtered in a xenophobic attack. To label one as xenophobic and the other not is absurd. And yet for all that talk about 'One People'........ One people refers to unity a united people of a united nation not one race one ethnicity one being the Caldari State one being the Gallente federation Except ironically the Caldari are the least ethnically diverse of all the peoples of New Eden. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.18 01:34:00 - [14] - Quote Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Similarly, if the Gallente were out of the picture, do you think the Amarr would try to enslave the Caldari? Were it feasible, the Amarr would enslave anyone who wouldn't take the knee to their faith. (Luckily for all parties--yes even the Amarr--it's not feasible.) As for your other dilemma, I'm not comfortable speculating that much. However, if you are sympathetic to an independent Minmatar people I don't see how you can reconcile that with being a Caldari hardliner. The economic integration between the State, Khanid Kingdom, and Amarr Empire (after the economic stimulus agreement) is simply too significant at present. It's tough to be moral in New Eden. I bet even the Sisters of EVE directly do bad things. (Indirectly they tip off the Blood Raiders for juicy targets by making mercy missions.) Ideally yes the Amarr would enslave all of those who did not subscribe to the Faith. It's more or less part of what they believe their divine purpose is. However the means by which this is achieved might not necessarily be military. Military is the most expedient path but not necessarily the most popular one within the modern empire. I'm not even sure many commoners or Holder's truly support another Reclaiming at present time. We're content to sit it out and slowly work on what he have going on. You also make a very fine point Dries. The Amarr Empire offered a sizeable economic package to the Caldari to float their economy which some what merits better relations but does little to excise doubts about being indebted to a vastly larger entity. Also as for the Sisters of EVE comment.....yes they do. They predominantly are a group that focuses on scientific pursuits and providing aid to disaster sites but they have a particular entity within their group known as Sanctuary which is their special operations division and the one that develops their combat avoidance techniques. In one of the Chronicles it details a team of Sanctuary Operatives searching for a Jovian artefact called the Book of Emptiness which has the ability to influence the human psyche. One of the SoE operative wanted to use this book to forcefully influence the minds of people on a massive scale undermining their fundamental human rights in attempt to ensure a lasting peace. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.18 01:57:00 - [15] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dries - _ - Get more likes to have your name spelt correctly. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.18 04:16:00 - [16] - Quote First Prophet wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dries - _ - Get more likes to have your name spelt correctly. You spelled it correctly already though. Get more likes to have me........ um..... pay attention I guess? "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.18 04:29:00 - [17] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Learn to shitpost to have me care. Sorry, this is True Adamance's automated posting service. He is too busy to engage you in forum combat as your forum level is far to low. We request now that you seek to remedy that so that when you have sufficiently improved your skills you can challege him again. Currently True Adamance is: Too Busy Doesn't Care If you have been traumatised by his treatment of you remember that True Adamance is: Too Busy Doesn't Care For counselling please seek out your local Vherokior Shaman, Jin-Mei Hooker, State Corporate Director, and or Amarrian Nun [inserted by request of True Adamance with the foot note 'AWWWW HELL YEAH'] for support or alternatively call 0800-0-***S-GIVEN. Statement of Disclosure: True Adamance accept no liability for any poor unfortunates that may be abominably traumatised by ignoring them and also wises to state that he does not accept responsibility for the order in which the racial support staff are organised merely having presented them in the order of groups he is most likely to offend. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.21 20:16:00 - [18] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.21 20:51:00 - [19] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. some of your grammatical errors disturb me. also hows Burn Amarr going Didn't have time this morning to do a proper proof reading. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.21 21:09:00 - [20] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. I wanna see what every race looks like without a dropsuit on. True Amarr - http://evewho.com/pilot/Soren%20Tyrhanos NB: The Amarr aren't a naturally fast ageing race however age and experience merits respect amongst them and many actively choose to have procedures undertake to make them look older. Siebestor - http://evewho.com/pilot/Satja%20Askari "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 00:32:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: True, if a Minmatar from the Republic decides to live in the empire, would he be accepted without being turned into a slave? Will he be treated like True Amarr or are there discriminating laws against them? Hmmm now that is an interesting concept and on I am going to my 'loremaster' with. [Yes even I have a lore master who I go to with questions]. I'd still say no though. The reason Amarr enslave races is because of an obscure religion principle from the Scriptures used after the pacification of Assimia and the Udorians who inhabited the continent. Thus the Amarr can only enslave those they conquer . Also in the modern Empire after Heideran VIII's rule Slave taking is illegal so I'd guess that immigrants are not enslaved. There are plenty of non-Amarrians who convert to the faith and whom I believe are not made slaves but given what education and tutelage that they need to become the Faithful. It's worth noting that the Amarr Faith is actually rather prominent in the Federation alongside many other kinds of religions though I believe it's doctrine does not accept the value of the Reclaiming even if they do worship the same god. As for the second question......that's also and interesting question. Honestly I don't know though I would hazard to say that it wholly depends on which social caste you are comparing them to or perhaps from the perspective of and in which regions of space those families are. Various Heir families have different views of Imperial politics and their followers typically share these opinions as well. On the most fundamental level possible I would suggest no. The Empires and the Amarr are no exception are ethnocentric and with positions of power traditionally in the hands of True Amarr. Though as the Amarr have brought more peoples into its fold the number of non True Amarr Holders and people in leadership positions is increasing. Give the Amarr another 50 years or so and perhaps the stigmata, True Amarr are according to Scripture God's chosen people meant to lead all others, of being a former slave or Non-True Amarrian will be gone. For example. The Udorians, the ethnicity my character recognises, has all but vanished from the Empire and what once was a different ethnicity is now so genetically close to True Amarr that the distinction is not particularly clear. That being said when the Tash-Murkon ascended to the position of Holders and Heir family they were met with strong opposition which has lessened now they have proven themselves assets to the Empire [Not to mention Her Radiance, Lady Catiz Tash-Murkon is the richest woman in the Empire]. The Tash-Murkon are a faction within the Empire supported mainly by those noble families who claim Udorian descent, Ni-Kunni, former slaves, etc who admire the pragmatic approach to liberalism they take. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 00:39:00 - [22] - Quote Mikel Arias wrote: Quick question, with little to do with the topic. Sgt Kirk and True Adamance... do they represent the best players of their factions? Ive played with Sgt Kirk once in the same team and remember he did great in that game. True Adamance, if I am not mistaken, I was against him once, trying to destroy his tank without accomplishing it (not sure if it was him, could be wrong) and he was killing everyone. Anyway, the question. Do they represent the best players of their factions? If not, who is the "best" player of each faction? Also with caldari and minmatar. Thanks. I'm certainly not the best player who uses Amarrian content by a long shot. The competition in the field is/was ******* intense. I might be one of the best HAV pilots who identify as an Amarrian loyalist though that is a very specific qualification. That being said Kirk is arguably one of the best Gallentean loyalists in the game and if you watch his gameplay very good at what he does. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 04:11:00 - [23] - Quote I will admit I am a upper-middle tier scrublord! Also was not aware about the seven generation emancipation in addition to the tenth generation slave emancipations. However Mina makes a very valid point in that Amarrian slavery is often described as less like an exploitation of a people purely for the sake of having a work force and more akin to what could be considered classical forms of slavery. The Romans practised various forms of it during one of which was the concept of patronage. In this system the patron, otherwise known as patronus or patrocinium, became the protector, sponsor, and benefactor or a client, or cliens, in a hierarchical relationship in which the cliens was expected to fulfil obligations to their master. Also worth noting in terms of Roman slavery slaves usually fulfilled domestic tasks and became highly skilled in various jobs and professions such as teaching, accounting, and also as physicians. Only low skilled slaves of those out rightly obstinate were treated harshly or sentenced to hard labour. Freedmen were eventually endowed with citizenship and political power to vote, though admittedly could not run for office, and could never be enslaved again. A lot of classical examples of slavery talks about how the poor used to sell themselves into slavery to ensure a better quality of life though at the cost of their personal freedoms. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 21:39:00 - [24] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: True, if a Minmatar from the Republic decides to live in the empire, would he be accepted without being turned into a slave? Will he be treated like True Amarr or are there discriminating laws against them? Hmmm now that is an interesting concept and on I am going to my 'loremaster' with. [Yes even I have a lore master who I go to with questions]. points Ha! Nerd! Samira is smart. Samira is wise. Samira will turn you eyes to jelly with but a glance. Her lore mastering shall melt your puny brains! "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`

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