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Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:57:00 - [31] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut. The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past. Tbh just read the evelopedia The Amarr view of slavery as a trial of faith (not "trail") is frankly pretty silly. Many subsequent generations descended from slaves will live die as slaves. If they truly wanted to just convert people, they would take the offspring of the first generation, raise them just like they raise regular Amarr children, and they will easily assimilate into the religion and society. Newborn Amarr children don't have to suffer trials of faith through slavery, so why should newborn children of any other race suffer it when they could just be raised as Amarr? If they used the method I described, the enslaved Minmatar could have been all converted and assimilated after the first 100 yrs, with the first defiant generation already dead -- personally I think that would have sucked, but it does prove that their claims of it being about religious integration is BS. Well besides the nit pick at my spelling mistake, its the lore I didn't make it and its well known that slavery is an important part of the empires economy so getting rid a free laber would be considered " stupid " when you could just say hey I found this in that book between the shelf and have millions of people go with it as its considered "divine right" but again it's just lore no need to try to rationalize it. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 389	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:57:00 - [32] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! Yassavi Approved. -Aero Yassavi
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 05:59:00 - [33] - Quote Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! they underestimate the power of ducttape Kin of the Vherokior tribe I'm a pure minmatar loyalist I discuss things based on EVE lore.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:02:00 - [34] - Quote There is right and wrong in all of this. Philosophers can debate these things. Spiritual men can seek atonement or find forgiveness in their hearts. I'm here for blood, motherf*ckers. PSN: RationalSpark
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:02:00 - [35] - Quote Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! While that made me giggle, the Matar were not the most advanced considering the Amarr had lasers, conquered vastly more systems than the Minmatar, and you know... The whole reclaiming thing :D "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 390	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:05:00 - [36] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! While that made me giggle, the Matar were not the most advanced considering the Amarr had lasers, conquered vastly more systems than the Minmatar, and you know... The whole reclaiming thing :D BUUUUUTTTT, in their minds, I'm sure they thought they were the most advanced at the time. Whether in fact they were or not, they didn't know that until they were already slaves. Yassavi Approved. -Aero Yassavi
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:06:00 - [37] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut. The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past. Tbh just read the evelopedia The Amarr view of slavery as a trial of faith (not "trail") is frankly pretty silly. Many subsequent generations descended from slaves will live die as slaves. If they truly wanted to just convert people, they would take the offspring of the first generation, raise them just like they raise regular Amarr children, and they will easily assimilate into the religion and society. Newborn Amarr children don't have to suffer trials of faith through slavery, so why should newborn children of any other race suffer it when they could just be raised as Amarr? If they used the method I described, the enslaved Minmatar could have been all converted and assimilated after the first 100 yrs, with the first defiant generation already dead -- personally I think that would have sucked, but it does prove that their claims of it being about religious integration is BS. Well besides the nit pick at my spelling mistake, its the lore I didn't make it and its well known that slavery is an important part of the empires economy so getting rid a free laber would be considered " stupid " when you could just say hey I found this in that book between the shelf and have millions of people go with it as its considered "divine right" but again it's just lore no need to try to rationalize it. I do get that's what the Amarr claim in the lore, but it just seems disingenuous on their part for the reasons I explained. Also the slave labor could have been replaced with cheap drones that don't need to be fed and can run on solar power or something. And seriously, the spelling this is kind of rampant in your posts, and it distracts from intelligent things you may have to say. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:22:00 - [38] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: You know what I'll fill you in a little about the Amarr before True pops out of his kiwi hut. The Amarrians view of slavery is that it is a trail of faith that shows your commitment to better ones self and accept the faith. The Amarr believe that they as a whole were the chosen people to spread the light and word of their god to all of New Eden hince the reclamation of the Matar homeworlds and the "trails" set upon them to cleanse them of their sacrilegious ways. The two supporting races of the Amarr Empire, Ni-Kunni and Khanid, were both assemlated the very same way as some Minmatar decent in the empire but the two above were not subordinates of the True Amarr for long perhaps not at all in the case of the Khanid since they proved themselves useful during the primitive wars on Amarr Prime causing them to be second best in the caste system and is how they came about their name which means "lordling". The Udorians is also a race that originated on Amarr Prime that caught against the True Amarr in wars for control of the planet(the same wars the Khanid helped in). They remain an unplayable race that has little to no physical difference between the True Amarr bloodline but as such are still degraded for their past. Tbh just read the evelopedia The Amarr view of slavery as a trial of faith (not "trail") is frankly pretty silly. Many subsequent generations descended from slaves will live die as slaves. If they truly wanted to just convert people, they would take the offspring of the first generation, raise them just like they raise regular Amarr children, and they will easily assimilate into the religion and society. Newborn Amarr children don't have to suffer trials of faith through slavery, so why should newborn children of any other race suffer it when they could just be raised as Amarr? If they used the method I described, the enslaved Minmatar could have been all converted and assimilated after the first 100 yrs, with the first defiant generation already dead -- personally I think that would have sucked, but it does prove that their claims of it being about religious integration is BS. Well besides the nit pick at my spelling mistake, its the lore I didn't make it and its well known that slavery is an important part of the empires economy so getting rid a free laber would be considered " stupid " when you could just say hey I found this in that book between the shelf and have millions of people go with it as its considered "divine right" but again it's just lore no need to try to rationalize it. I do get that's what the Amarr claim in the lore, but it just seems disingenuous on their part for the reasons I explained. Also the slave labor could have been replaced with cheap drones that don't need to be fed and can run on solar power or something. And seriously, the spelling this is kind of rampant in your posts, and it distracts from intelligent things you may have to say. The Amarr are a conservative empire built on tradition and strict theocratic society with an almost feudal social system. Simply changing at the whim is not a charatistic of them. Unlike the Khanid that seem fully "aware" of their slavery and views on it but still adapt at a fast past just like the Caldari. Really it just comes down to culture which is an almost impossible "flaw" to change as the real world shows as evedent. On the spelling, can't please everyone so deal with it :D "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:34:00 - [39] - Quote Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! Then the Jove come and the matari and amarri **** their pants. =ƒÆ«
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 391	Posted - 2015.06.16 06:49:00 - [40] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! Then the Jove come and the matari and amarri **** their pants. Well wouldn't everyone? Not just them? Haha. Yassavi Approved. -Aero Yassavi

Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 417	Posted - 2015.06.16 09:15:00 - [41] - Quote It's 2am, I just found this thread, and my blood is boiling right now. I want to educate, truly I do. If only to make you red pill and join glorious Caldari master race. The mind is willing, but the body is weak. If this is still up in the morning we are going to have a few words. *Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!* > --Killer of Snowfall Station--
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 0	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:18:00 - [42] - Quote What it is to be Caldari If we are going to talk about lore regarding the Caldari the best way to explain Caldari society is to first deal with the misconceptions. First of the whole authoritarian image of Caldari society falls down to the militaristic behaviour the megacorporationGÇÖs exhibit due to the discipline of our Nation and the constant war as a race we have endured which leads to our militaristic and aggressive tendencies. Culturally we are unwilling to corrupt our way of life and this is one of the issues other races have when trying to deal with us as we have a set way of how we conduct ourselves. To be Caldari is not one singular race either so ideas that the state are innately racist are untrue we are a collection of founder races that form the Caldari nation. Which broken down today are the Deteis, Civire and Achura all of which are individual and unique in their physical appearance and there ideology and temperaments but all of which identify as Caldari and live by shared principles and codes of conduct. Though it must be made clear that the state has no religion and neither of the distinct Caldari groups are in anyway spiritual in terms of believing in a god, the spiritual Achura themselves are what could be considered as future Buddhism and the spiritual teachings are in the form of purity but as a Deteis I have little interest in spiritual teachings other than the respect and protection of the beliefs held by the Achura as Caldari citizens. We are an atheist nation and do not believe in the supernatural. Those that fall out of these groups in terms of the other bloodlines that make up the state are expatriates mostly ethnic Gallente, Intaki and khanid origin. The majority of which are individuals that evacuated with the state with the loss of Caldari Prime to the Newly formed state. Little to no emphasis is placed on ethnic background with most identifying as Caldari first, followed by their loyalty to their parent corporation. Ethnic Caldari though make up 95-99% of the state but it must be made clear that expatriates from the other races are welcomed into the state so long as they follow the roles and are willing to meld into the Caldari society. Though it is their children that are born in the State that will receive the full myriad of benefits that full citizenship can bring alongside access to free and full medical services that are provided to every citizen as well as education to the highest standard for every individual. The corporate Capitalism The state as it should be known is governed like none of the other factions being made up of eight distinct mega corporations each of which holding dictatorial powers but each of which being bound by the same Caldari customs and laws as the individual, with the fierce, continual competition by each of the corporations ensuring a healthy, consumer-based social environment which benefits everyone with no corporation holding absolute domination. But it must be made clear that profits are not and never will be the only concern for any Caldari but the betterment of the entire state. Greed and self-preservation are not traits that Caldari share and are indeed frowned upon with no individual being placed as more valuable than another. Self-sacrifice is indeed the Caldari way and every citizen is willing and prepared to protect the state and their fellow citizens when the need arises. What must be made clear is that the state is a form of democracy that works in a radical fashion alongside the idea of meritocracy which is the manner in which you are valued within the state through hard work. No position in the state is safe from demotion even as a CEO of a megacorporation with those who show drive and skill in their profession able to rise in the ranks based purely on personal achievement and success and the lack of which leads to demotion which no family tie or connection can change as positions in the state must be earned not inherited. These corporations are then managed and controlled by the Chief Executive Panel a political entity jointly owned and run by each of the eight mega corporations with a CEO from each on the panel board to ensure that companies are kept in line when competing with each other and the smoothing over of potential conflicts before they escalate out of control. The Chief Executive Panel (CEP) also handles foreign policy of the state and is the closest thing to the government that the Caldari have with the panel holding executive authority over the Caldari Navy these independent organisations make up the remains of the state where 90% of all property in the state belongs to the Big Eight. The house of records was also set up by mutual agreement as a central source for record keeping across the entire state acting as a national archive for every transaction, business deal and government interaction. Then you have the Caldari Business Tribunal which operates independently of the eight mega corporations as the second most powerful entity in the state to mediate in, modify or cancel any deal, transaction, or agreement made between corporations within the state. With the lowest unemployment rate across all factions of 1.84% which of those unemployed will be in their position by their own doing either by an unwillingness to work, incompetence and crime with plentiful opportunities being provided within the state by each of the mega corporations who also provide relevant housing, medical care for employees alongside the myriad of benefits. So while disciplined corporate culture it is one that rewards hard work. For the glorious Caldari State
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 0	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:20:00 - [43] - Quote Corporate Control To explain life within the state you must understand that each corporation governs its own territories and provides its own security and corporate laws that its citizens must abide by. With each mega corporation having a force that can dwarf the entirety of the Caldari Navy combined. It also must be made clear that these mega corporations are made up thousands of companies ranging in size and profession. But when threatened as whole the state unites to defend one another as a unified state with corporate identity second to the Caldari identity and personal grievances between competing corporations are quickly forgotten in times of war. So to threaten a single company of a corporation within the state as an outsider you can soon find yourself facing the entire might of the state as it seeks to defend its own. As a Caldari Loyalist I take great care and interest in understanding the state and all of which that is mentioned here is of personal knowledge backed by evidence of the EVE Source book, so if you really want to understand the lore that is your best manner in which to learn. If you have any questions feel free to ask but rather than try to cover everything I am just covering some basic principles that make up the state and our identity. For the glorious Caldari State
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:56:00 - [44] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! While that made me giggle, the Matar were not the most advanced considering the Amarr had lasers, conquered vastly more systems than the Minmatar, and you know... The whole reclaiming thing :D They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. Rule 34.6.1: every parody will have a crossover
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 14:07:00 - [45] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! While that made me giggle, the Matar were not the most advanced considering the Amarr had lasers, conquered vastly more systems than the Minmatar, and you know... The whole reclaiming thing :D They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. My interpretation of "mechanical excellence" is that the Minmatar's way of always having modular systems with their creations that allow modifications a the whim. Look at the SMG and Cr basically the same but with a few added parts. In the book Templar One there's a section in the book were a Matar General is walking around the defense of his outpost and he is disgusted by the sight of Minmatar turrets integrated with Amarrians targeting systems. That right there shows their ingenuity or "mechanical excellence". "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Cloak Dog Horizons' Edge No Context 56	Posted - 2015.06.16 14:37:00 - [46] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Robert Conway wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not sure if it's correct, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Minmatar were actually the most advanced of the 4 races before the Amarr conquered them through sheer numbers. Any race that can build gatling-autocannons immediately after freeing themselves from slavery is a force to be reckoned with. That, or the Amarr are ******* stupid and left a bunch of old tech within reach of the minmatar. Minmatar: We are the most advanced race evaaaaa! Amarr: pew pew pew Lasers Minmatar: Nuhhh! Our stuff! Amarr: You are our SLAVES! But here, we feel bad, so here is some Duct Tape. Minmatar: WORST MISTAKE EVER LASER LOVERS! Uses Duct Tape to make fast ships and huge Ragnarok Titans Amarr: Ah crap.... Minmatar: Hey Amarr, F- Youuuuuuuuuuuu! While that made me giggle, the Matar were not the most advanced considering the Amarr had lasers, conquered vastly more systems than the Minmatar, and you know... The whole reclaiming thing :D They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. My interpretation of "mechanical excellence" is that the Minmatar's way of always having modular systems with their creations that allow modifications a the whim. Look at the SMG and Cr basically the same but with a few added parts. In the book Templar One there's a section in the book were a Matar General is walking around the defense of his outpost and he is disgusted by the sight of Minmatar turrets integrated with Amarrians targeting systems. That right there shows their ingenuity or "mechanical excellence". Just an observation, maybe the 'mechanical excellence' could be why minmatar suits are so freaking fast without extra biotic modules. Just and observation. >v> I'm more bark then bite...sometimes... "KLAAA PLASMAAAA!!!"
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 15:06:00 - [47] - Quote for many reasons. the jovians are the most powerful race in the game but a lot of them are dead because of the jovian disease, a disease they created because they modified their bodies way too much. and no one knows what the jove have besides what a few of their ships look like and what the drifters are using and doing. Kin of the Vherokior tribe I'm a pure minmatar loyalist I discuss things based on EVE lore.
VikingKong iBUN 0uter.Heaven 421	Posted - 2015.06.16 15:28:00 - [48] - Quote Yaay, story time! thanks guys I would like a Gallente SMG. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.16 15:53:00 - [49] - Quote I have a couple questions. @Kirk - Why do the Gallente and Caldari continue to fight? From what I understand from what you wrote, the Caldari wanted independence from the Federation. Do the Gallente still not want the Caldari to be independent? @True - Did the Amarr not try to enslave the Gallente and Caldari as well? If not, what made them different from the Minmatar? And why did the Amarr start by trying to enslave the Jovians? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 16:44:00 - [50] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a couple questions. @Kirk - Why do the Gallente and Caldari continue to fight? From what I understand from what you wrote, the Caldari wanted independence from the Federation. Do the Gallente still not want the Caldari to be independent? @True - Did the Amarr not try to enslave the Gallente and Caldari as well? If not, what made them different from the Minmatar? And why did the Amarr start by trying to enslave the Jovians? The Amarr considered it but came to the conclusion that the war would total destroy both empires and put them into debt. Caldari, well an enemy of my enemy is a friend. But fun fact the Khanid Kingdom had multiple incursions into gallente space and now have one of the federations pop star as a slave to Khanid II. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."

sir RAVEN WING 3	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:02:00 - [51] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Amarr and Minmatar Relationship simply put: Amarr think it's their goddamn right to rule over the "Inferior" Minmatar. Well, it's my goddamn right to shove a knife up their arse that I stole from Caldari and tell em' to get real. You bought it from us... like you do many things... Raven for CPM2 Shield buff, focus on balancing of weapons, and vehicles. New Content if possible + PS4 port.
Dremel wp Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 69	Posted - 2015.06.16 19:35:00 - [52] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T84nrp08MWo&index=39&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 20:37:00 - [53] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. Not even remotely what I would consider technological supremacy over the other races Scheneighnay. The Minmatar Empire [what it was supposedly called at the time] was developed to the point of space flight age however had I suppose you could say was relatively new to it or cautious only having colonised localised system. If the Minmatar did have such and advanced level of technology they did not show it either in their colonisation attempts or in the short few hours it took a few thousand Amarrians to capture billions of Minmatar. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 20:48:00 - [54] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I have a couple questions. @True - Did the Amarr not try to enslave the Gallente and Caldari as well? If not, what made them different from the Minmatar? And why did the Amarr start by trying to enslave the Jovians? This is the simple answer to the long question. When the Amarr encountered the Gallente they displayed a technological prowess that defied the Amarrian ability to explain. In this case I believe it was the Microwarp Drive that had thrown the initial expeditionary corps into disarray. In this case rather than being able to properly observe the Gallenteans as they had done the Minmatar they took a more reserved approach eventually discovering that the Gallente Federation was a close technological ally and the first truly unified star spanning race they'd encountered. Unlike the Gallentean Federation that was hardened by decades of conflict against the Caldari the Amarrian Navy was better suited for patrolling space lanes and subjugating technologically inferior entities with superior force. It was decided that of the targets presenting themselves there was little to gain from engaging the Gallente in an all out war. Which is why if I am not mistaken the Amarr turned to the enigmatic Jove who appeared to be weaker than they were. Perhaps it can be put down to over confidence that the Amarr began to mass against the Jove having recently emerged from dozens of successful previous conquests. Udorian, Ealur. Ni-Kunni, Minmatar, etc. They massed a small arm of the Imperial Navy, 200 sub capital vessels with the latest armour and laser technology, and announced their intent to conquer the Jove. The battle was to be set in a section of space known as Vak Atioth which resulted in a loss by the Amarrian forces attributed to numerous factors. The ships captains were ordered to hold the field, Jovian Intelligence was impeccable, a sympathiser sold out the Amarr to the Jove, and the Jove had several thousand years of technological advancements over the Amarr. Despite the total annihilation of the fleet the Amarr did not cyno in any further vessels including Dreadnaughts which they had developed, and regrouped in Amarrian space. As for the Caldari? I think it was universally agreed that the Empire and State would make good allies in a pragmatic sense. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 20:54:00 - [55] - Quote I also have a few other points to dispute mainly with Kage but I already know how he feels on the subject. One big important part of the Amarrian-Minmatar debate is the difficulty I have trying to explain the stand point and culture of the Amarr to most players and trying to discuss the topic where Minmatar players can step out of their preconceived notion of "The Grand Democratic World" and critically look at both groups. I often think I sound like an Amarrian apologist but I feel it necessary to try to explain the social and cultural nuances. Also in terms of IC [In character opinion] I stand with the Amarrian Pro-Heideran Pragmatic Liberalists. I'm not against liberalism like some staunch Ardishapurites are but I accept that it's not a perfect concept and am willing to use it pragmatically to advance my personal agenda in the NOBLE TASH-MURKON WAY! "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.16 21:04:00 - [56] - Quote Amarr did actually try to conquer the gallente. The gallente love affair with killer drones was actually brought that offensive to a screeching halt. Relatively few gallente were actually engaged, but those damn drone carriers... Yes I actually do read the lore. Bugger off. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 21:08:00 - [57] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I also have a few other points to dispute mainly with Kage but I already know how he feels on the subject. One big important part of the Amarrian-Minmatar debate is the difficulty I have trying to explain the stand point and culture of the Amarr to most players and trying to discuss the topic where Minmatar players can step out of their preconceived notion of "The Grand Democratic World" and critically look at both groups. I often think I sound like an Amarrian apologist but I feel it necessary to try to explain the social and cultural nuances. Also in terms of IC [In character opinion] I stand with the Amarrian Pro-Heideran Pragmatic Liberalists. I'm not against liberalism like some staunch Ardishapurites are but I accept that it's not a perfect concept and am willing to use it pragmatically to advance my personal agenda in the NOBLE TASH-MURKON WAY! Oh you lost me at the end... Khanid Kingdom!!!! ( were have you aero been) "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.16 21:12:00 - [58] - Quote I forgot to mention that the amarr/gallente conflict ended decisively in stalemate. Edit: fixed for clarity WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.16 21:19:00 - [59] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I forgot the amarr/gallente conflict ended decisively in stalemate. Well there was that time that Uriam Kador invaded Solitude in the Gallente Federation and when threatened by a retaliatory fleet instead of the Empress massing the Empire for war she simply allowed the Gallente to attack the Kador homeworld directly. Brilliant political move in hind sight with her publicly castigating the Heir and appropriating his personal fleet to merge it with the Imperial 7th Fleet in Aridia renewing it. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.06.16 22:10:00 - [60] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: They may have had a more advanced military, but someone else in the thread actually reposted what I read. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." Although that statement confuses me. If it hasn't been seen anywhere since, that would mean the Amarr didn't grab any of their tech for some reason. Not even remotely what I would consider technological supremacy over the other races Scheneighnay. The Minmatar Empire [what it was supposedly called at the time] was developed to the point of space flight age however had I suppose you could say was relatively new to it or cautious only having colonised localised system. If the Minmatar did have such and advanced level of technology they did not show it either in their colonisation attempts or in the short few hours it took a few thousand Amarrians to capture billions of Minmatar. There's more to technology than just weapons. The reason for their lack of colonization wasn't because they were afraid or because they didn't have the technology for it, it's because there was little incentive for it. Matar is a natural paradise, even more so before the invasion. Not much reason to go far when you can get everything you need nearby. (The early Amarr empire nearly broke apart from over population and a stagnant economy.) The success of the Amarrian invasion is due the fact that the Minmatar had been at peace for centuries, and was unaware of any other advanced race. (The Gallente and Caldari made contact early on, and the Amarrians made contact with the Udorians early as well. The Minmatar however were alone within their region.) Thus little reason to improve weapons or build defenses. The Amarr also had waited to invade just as the largest storm on the planet happened. Now these facts shouldn't detract from the technology the Minmatar did have. The fact that the most numerous race managed to live prosperously on such little land and was capable of production of pretty advanced technology without international trade is pretty amazing. Whatever it is they were doing, it was clearly super efficient and beyond what every other race was doing. "At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere." I will say however, the fact that this line is never gone into any more detail is infuriating to me, because there is such ambiguity involved. One of the most important things to make note of though is that the Minmatar empire was *flourishing*. Meaning any Amarrian justification for the invasion involving uplifting the Minmatar or saving them from squalor is a total lie. "The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."



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