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knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.20 19:05:00 - [121] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. Your Elders have left your people child, it'd be wise to do the same. They did not leave us, the are still with us. Kin of the Vherokior tribe and warrior of the republic Self proclaimed minmatar lore master
Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 30	Posted - 2015.06.20 19:47:00 - [122] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. It's really unfortunate that the Caldari and Gallente couldn't coexist, think of the technological progress that could have been made (of a nonviolent nature) if they hadn't.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.20 20:24:00 - [123] - Quote Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. It's really unfortunate that the Caldari and Gallente couldn't coexist, think of the technological progress that could have been made (of a nonviolent nature) if they hadn't. Caldari and Gallente technological progress was astonishing back in those days. Super high competition and cooperation from both sides has proven to give both empires the kickstart necessary to catch up to the Amarr in terms of expansion despite the Amarr being a LOT older. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
D0G Merc Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.06.21 00:27:00 - [124] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. It's really unfortunate that the Caldari and Gallente couldn't coexist, think of the technological progress that could have been made (of a nonviolent nature) if they hadn't. Caldari and Gallente technological progress was astonishing back in those days. Super high competition and cooperation from both sides has proven to give both empires the kickstart necessary to catch up to the Amarr in terms of expansion despite the Amarr being a LOT older. WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 427	Posted - 2015.06.21 02:46:00 - [125] - Quote D0G Merc wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. It's really unfortunate that the Caldari and Gallente couldn't coexist, think of the technological progress that could have been made (of a nonviolent nature) if they hadn't. Caldari and Gallente technological progress was astonishing back in those days. Super high competition and cooperation from both sides has proven to give both empires the kickstart necessary to catch up to the Amarr in terms of expansion despite the Amarr being a LOT older. WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF sigh... it was bound to happen sooner or later... D0G Merc.... psh Yassavi Approved. -Aero Yassavi
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.06.21 03:13:00 - [126] - Quote D0G Merc wrote: WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF Who's a good boy! "The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.21 15:09:00 - [127] - Quote D0G Merc wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Fun sidenote: All of our jump gate technology is based off of the same principles reverse engineered from the stargates located in the Gallente/Caldari and Amarr systems. Amarr had a fairly intact jump gate in their system, which made it relatively easy to reverse engineer the tech. Caldari/Gallente had a fairly broken down gate, but since they were cooperating at the time, they still managed to reverse engineer the gates in a timely manner. It's really unfortunate that the Caldari and Gallente couldn't coexist, think of the technological progress that could have been made (of a nonviolent nature) if they hadn't. Caldari and Gallente technological progress was astonishing back in those days. Super high competition and cooperation from both sides has proven to give both empires the kickstart necessary to catch up to the Amarr in terms of expansion despite the Amarr being a LOT older. WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF I didn't order a subwoofer. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cloak Dog Horizons' Edge No Context 60	Posted - 2015.06.21 19:47:00 - [128] - Quote D0G Merc wrote: WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF Don't tempt me. I'm more bark then bite...sometimes... "KLAAA PLASMAAAA!!!"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.21 20:16:00 - [129] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
knight guard fury Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.06.21 20:19:00 - [130] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. some of your grammatical errors disturb me. also hows Burn Amarr going Kin of the Vherokior tribe and warrior of the republic Self proclaimed minmatar lore master

Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 718	Posted - 2015.06.21 20:40:00 - [131] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. I wanna see what every race looks like without a dropsuit on. n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.21 20:51:00 - [132] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. some of your grammatical errors disturb me. also hows Burn Amarr going Didn't have time this morning to do a proper proof reading. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.21 21:09:00 - [133] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. But ironically does it truly call for action. Most if not all barring a very small minority of slaves are practicing the Amarr Faith as we speak. Many slaves of are emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue to to practice the Faith. At the same time the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low as cooler heads prevail. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer as such they have no right to them. These slaves are practicing faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made all the cultural concessions we should have to. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. I wanna see what every race looks like without a dropsuit on. True Amarr - http://evewho.com/pilot/Soren%20Tyrhanos NB: The Amarr aren't a naturally fast ageing race however age and experience merits respect amongst them and many actively choose to have procedures undertake to make them look older. Siebestor - http://evewho.com/pilot/Satja%20Askari "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.21 21:23:00 - [134] - Quote True, if a Minmatar from the Republic decides to live in the empire, would he be accepted without being turned into a slave? Will he be treated like True Amarr or are there discriminating laws against them? "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.21 21:30:00 - [135] - Quote I support the Caldari because their way of life reminds me a lot of my time in the military and I love the structure of it. I also like their "Leave me alone" mentality. But one of the flaws of the Caldari is their xenophobia. No, they're not xenophobic like "KILL ALL WHO ARE NOT CALDARI!!!" but they do not trust or really even like people who were not born Caldari. I feel like Victor is taking the word xenophobia harder than it really is. We don't trust other peoples, its as simple as that. We don't have witch-hunts for people who are outsiders living in our lands, but the fact remains that we hold native Caldari in higher esteem than outsiders. This is xenophobia to a tee. A problem I have with Caldari game-wise is the lack of decent channels to join. I was in State Task Force for awhile, but all I ever heard from them was people whining and shouting matches when we should have been queueing. Plus, while I like to fight for Caldari, I choose playing with friends and having fun over leaving a queue just because they want to play for Gallente sometimes. Enjoying the game and the people I play with come first, then Caldari loyalty. Apparently that rubs some people in STF the wrong way. Regardless, I'd like to join a cfw channel that isn't so uotight as to expect me to stop playing with my friends because they are queueing Gallente. Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.21 21:50:00 - [136] - Quote Gallente = Xenophilia Commander Shepard = Xenophilia Gallente = Commander Shepard = You will never be better than Gallente "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Victus Auxellias uptown456 Executive Intelligence Agency 21	Posted - 2015.06.21 22:16:00 - [137] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I support the Caldari because their way of life reminds me a lot of my time in the military and I love the structure of it. I also like their "Leave me alone" mentality. But one of the flaws of the Caldari is their xenophobia. No, they're not xenophobic like "KILL ALL WHO ARE NOT CALDARI!!!" but they do not trust or really even like people who were not born Caldari. I feel like Victor is taking the word xenophobia harder than it really is. We don't trust other peoples, its as simple as that. We don't have witch-hunts for people who are outsiders living in our lands, but the fact remains that we hold native Caldari in higher esteem than outsiders. This is xenophobia to a tee. A problem I have with Caldari game-wise is the lack of decent channels to join. I was in State Task Force for awhile, but all I ever heard from them was people whining and shouting matches when we should have been queueing. Plus, while I like to fight for Caldari, I choose playing with friends and having fun over leaving a queue just because they want to play for Gallente sometimes. Enjoying the game and the people I play with come first, then Caldari loyalty. Apparently that rubs some people in STF the wrong way. Regardless, I'd like to join a cfw channel that isn't so uotight as to expect me to stop playing with my friends because they are queueing Gallente. Who is Victor I am Victus ? For the glorious Caldari State
Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 30	Posted - 2015.06.21 23:57:00 - [138] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: No, they're not xenophobic like "KILL ALL WHO ARE NOT CALDARI!!!" but they do not trust or really even like people who were not born Caldari. Mordu's legion wouldn't exist if this were the case.
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 130	Posted - 2015.06.22 00:31:00 - [139] - Quote Quick question, with little to do with the topic. Sgt Kirk and True Adamance... do they represent the best players of their factions? Ive played with Sgt Kirk once in the same team and remember he did great in that game. True Adamance, if I am not mistaken, I was against him once, trying to destroy his tank without accomplishing it (not sure if it was him, could be wrong) and he was killing everyone. Anyway, the question. Do they represent the best players of their factions? If not, who is the "best" player of each faction? Also with caldari and minmatar. Thanks.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 00:32:00 - [140] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: True, if a Minmatar from the Republic decides to live in the empire, would he be accepted without being turned into a slave? Will he be treated like True Amarr or are there discriminating laws against them? Hmmm now that is an interesting concept and on I am going to my 'loremaster' with. [Yes even I have a lore master who I go to with questions]. I'd still say no though. The reason Amarr enslave races is because of an obscure religion principle from the Scriptures used after the pacification of Assimia and the Udorians who inhabited the continent. Thus the Amarr can only enslave those they conquer . Also in the modern Empire after Heideran VIII's rule Slave taking is illegal so I'd guess that immigrants are not enslaved. There are plenty of non-Amarrians who convert to the faith and whom I believe are not made slaves but given what education and tutelage that they need to become the Faithful. It's worth noting that the Amarr Faith is actually rather prominent in the Federation alongside many other kinds of religions though I believe it's doctrine does not accept the value of the Reclaiming even if they do worship the same god. As for the second question......that's also and interesting question. Honestly I don't know though I would hazard to say that it wholly depends on which social caste you are comparing them to or perhaps from the perspective of and in which regions of space those families are. Various Heir families have different views of Imperial politics and their followers typically share these opinions as well. On the most fundamental level possible I would suggest no. The Empires and the Amarr are no exception are ethnocentric and with positions of power traditionally in the hands of True Amarr. Though as the Amarr have brought more peoples into its fold the number of non True Amarr Holders and people in leadership positions is increasing. Give the Amarr another 50 years or so and perhaps the stigmata, True Amarr are according to Scripture God's chosen people meant to lead all others, of being a former slave or Non-True Amarrian will be gone. For example. The Udorians, the ethnicity my character recognises, has all but vanished from the Empire and what once was a different ethnicity is now so genetically close to True Amarr that the distinction is not particularly clear. That being said when the Tash-Murkon ascended to the position of Holders and Heir family they were met with strong opposition which has lessened now they have proven themselves assets to the Empire [Not to mention Her Radiance, Lady Catiz Tash-Murkon is the richest woman in the Empire]. The Tash-Murkon are a faction within the Empire supported mainly by those noble families who claim Udorian descent, Ni-Kunni, former slaves, etc who admire the pragmatic approach to liberalism they take. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 00:39:00 - [141] - Quote Mikel Arias wrote: Quick question, with little to do with the topic. Sgt Kirk and True Adamance... do they represent the best players of their factions? Ive played with Sgt Kirk once in the same team and remember he did great in that game. True Adamance, if I am not mistaken, I was against him once, trying to destroy his tank without accomplishing it (not sure if it was him, could be wrong) and he was killing everyone. Anyway, the question. Do they represent the best players of their factions? If not, who is the "best" player of each faction? Also with caldari and minmatar. Thanks. I'm certainly not the best player who uses Amarrian content by a long shot. The competition in the field is/was ******* intense. I might be one of the best HAV pilots who identify as an Amarrian loyalist though that is a very specific qualification. That being said Kirk is arguably one of the best Gallentean loyalists in the game and if you watch his gameplay very good at what he does. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 130	Posted - 2015.06.22 00:46:00 - [142] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: Quick question, with little to do with the topic. Sgt Kirk and True Adamance... do they represent the best players of their factions? Ive played with Sgt Kirk once in the same team and remember he did great in that game. True Adamance, if I am not mistaken, I was against him once, trying to destroy his tank without accomplishing it (not sure if it was him, could be wrong) and he was killing everyone. Anyway, the question. Do they represent the best players of their factions? If not, who is the "best" player of each faction? Also with caldari and minmatar. Thanks. I'm certainly not the best player who uses Amarrian content by a long shot. The competition in the field is/was ******* intense. I might be one of the best HAV pilots who identify as an Amarrian loyalist though that is a very specific qualification. That being said Kirk is arguably one of the best Gallentean loyalists in the game and if you watch his gameplay very good at what he does. Thanks for the answer. And what about caldari and minmatar best players, any idea?
Combat Placenta Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2015.06.22 01:40:00 - [143] - Quote Not sure if it was official or just fan made stuff, but back when I was playing I saw some cool posts about supposed technical lore for the different suits. Heavies being genetically altered to have 2 spines to support the weight of their suits and scouts being altered to have hollow bones, making them the fast twitchy @ssholes that they are. Those are the only 2 examples I remember.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.22 01:51:00 - [144] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. Does it truly call for action? A great many slaves within the Amarr Empire practice the Amarrian faith barring a very small minority. Many slaves that have been emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue their worship only to be victimised by the people who claimed to be their kinsmen. Additionally worth consideration is that the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low, and cooler heads prevail in the upper echelons of noble society.. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer and as such the Minmatar have no claim to them. These slaves are practising faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made a great many cultural concessions during our time on the cluster wide political stage. These are cultural concessions we've not been forced to make but have done for the sake of cluster wide stability. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. The empress herself has issued a decree that all slaves whose bloodlines can be traced back at least seven generations from their initial point of enslavement are to be emancipated with full rights of citizenship. Amarrian slavery is often much less brutal than a lot of the views of slavery we have today (where we think american colonization, sugar & cotton era), and more often it is closer to classical slavery (greek/roman & egyptian) where it can be harsh and brutal, but there's often unbelievably, incredibly strict laws that determine how it's practiced. "Slaves" can in theory rise to great status within the amarrian empire, even moreso after they are 'emancipated' with the full rights of amarrian citizens. The kameira's are slaves, and they are well respected as one of the greatest military forces in new eden. Really it comes down to the fact where the amarrian society has asked the question of "Is having an 'owner' such a bad thing?" and for most the answer is "No". The Amarr know who owns them. The caldari know what corporation owns them. The gallente claim to be free, but the vast majority fail to understand that they are bought and paid for by corporate interests. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 04:11:00 - [145] - Quote I will admit I am a upper-middle tier scrublord! Also was not aware about the seven generation emancipation in addition to the tenth generation slave emancipations. However Mina makes a very valid point in that Amarrian slavery is often described as less like an exploitation of a people purely for the sake of having a work force and more akin to what could be considered classical forms of slavery. The Romans practised various forms of it during one of which was the concept of patronage. In this system the patron, otherwise known as patronus or patrocinium, became the protector, sponsor, and benefactor or a client, or cliens, in a hierarchical relationship in which the cliens was expected to fulfil obligations to their master. Also worth noting in terms of Roman slavery slaves usually fulfilled domestic tasks and became highly skilled in various jobs and professions such as teaching, accounting, and also as physicians. Only low skilled slaves of those out rightly obstinate were treated harshly or sentenced to hard labour. Freedmen were eventually endowed with citizenship and political power to vote, though admittedly could not run for office, and could never be enslaved again. A lot of classical examples of slavery talks about how the poor used to sell themselves into slavery to ensure a better quality of life though at the cost of their personal freedoms. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.22 04:17:00 - [146] - Quote ^It can in ways be similar to serfdom too. Which for some time wasn't actually all that bad, because there were a huge amount of legal responsibilities a lord had to his serfs... it was only after some things changed that lords lost their legal obligations and mostly worked on trying to get rid of their serfs to use land for grazing sheep. And I'm not 100% about the specifics of Jamyl's decree (especially in regards to which specific generation), though I know she made one and it upset some holders. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 30	Posted - 2015.06.22 05:11:00 - [147] - Quote Amarrian slavery isn't so bad, that's why it's used as a punitive measure to coerce religious conversion.
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 130	Posted - 2015.06.22 17:42:00 - [148] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: True Adamance wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Cloak Dog wrote: Minmatar can't let go of the past, therefore screw them. Can't let go of the past? Almost a third of all Minmatar are still enslaved today. That calls for action. Does it truly call for action? A great many slaves within the Amarr Empire practice the Amarrian faith barring a very small minority. Many slaves that have been emancipated have returned to the Republic and continue their worship only to be victimised by the people who claimed to be their kinsmen. Additionally worth consideration is that the Empire has moved into a social phase where slavery is illegal, calls for Reclaimation are at and all time low, and cooler heads prevail in the upper echelons of noble society.. These slaves are dozens of generations old. They are no longer Matari any longer and as such the Minmatar have no claim to them. These slaves are practising faithful. Many no longer want to go back. The Amarr Empire is entering a peaceful and arguably more co-operative era. We've made a great many cultural concessions during our time on the cluster wide political stage. These are cultural concessions we've not been forced to make but have done for the sake of cluster wide stability. We are not the ones who have broken inter-empire laws. They are our people now, and we shall take better care of them than their Elder's ever have. The empress herself has issued a decree that all slaves whose bloodlines can be traced back at least seven generations from their initial point of enslavement are to be emancipated with full rights of citizenship. Amarrian slavery is often much less brutal than a lot of the views of slavery we have today (where we think american colonization, sugar & cotton era), and more often it is closer to classical slavery (greek/roman & egyptian) where it can be harsh and brutal, but there's often unbelievably, incredibly strict laws that determine how it's practiced. "Slaves" can in theory rise to great status within the amarrian empire, even moreso after they are 'emancipated' with the full rights of amarrian citizens. The kameira's are slaves, and they are well respected as one of the greatest military forces in new eden. Really it comes down to the fact where the amarrian society has asked the question of "Is having an 'owner' such a bad thing?" and for most the answer is "No". The Amarr know who owns them. The caldari know what corporation owns them. The gallente claim to be free, but the vast majority fail to understand that they are bought and paid for by corporate interests. Mikel Arias wrote: Quick question, with little to do with the topic. Sgt Kirk and True Adamance... do they represent the best players of their factions? Ive played with Sgt Kirk once in the same team and remember he did great in that game. True Adamance, if I am not mistaken, I was against him once, trying to destroy his tank without accomplishing it (not sure if it was him, could be wrong) and he was killing everyone. Anyway, the question. Do they represent the best players of their factions? If not, who is the "best" player of each faction? Also with caldari and minmatar. Thanks. No more than I would be the 'best' caldari player. Kirk is apparently pretty good, but I think true and I would be happy to admit we're upper-mid tier scrublords. If you want an honest answer for caldari though, it's kaizuka sniper, he uses whatever gear allows him to stay on top though. Kaizuka... There is no reason in particular, but I dont really like him. Maybe because he kicks my ass every time he is in the enemy team...
Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 719	Posted - 2015.06.22 20:40:00 - [149] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: True, if a Minmatar from the Republic decides to live in the empire, would he be accepted without being turned into a slave? Will he be treated like True Amarr or are there discriminating laws against them? Hmmm now that is an interesting concept and on I am going to my 'loremaster' with. [Yes even I have a lore master who I go to with questions]. points Ha! Nerd! If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident. probably.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 21:39:00 - [150] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: True, if a Minmatar from the Republic decides to live in the empire, would he be accepted without being turned into a slave? Will he be treated like True Amarr or are there discriminating laws against them? Hmmm now that is an interesting concept and on I am going to my 'loremaster' with. [Yes even I have a lore master who I go to with questions]. points Ha! Nerd! Samira is smart. Samira is wise. Samira will turn you eyes to jelly with but a glance. Her lore mastering shall melt your puny brains! "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`



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