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True Adamance wrote:

Jonny D Buelle wrote:

Vash Warren wrote:

Did you write a page on the Creed? I don't remember it well but I would say it was a group of people who were accepted and at some point just before accepting the oath or soon after they felt the Creed dictated away to much free will from those who were part of it. Such as almost enslaving their members.

Or they could feel it is in the name of honor and that the tactics the Creed has used in the past has been unfair or unjust to others and as such want it to be changed through force, or totally abolished.

Johnny which would be most effective on the way the Slaves. Do they care that others suffer or are they more selfish, Just point to which would be the best system for the use on the Ants.

Well Artugians don't work for themselves. So they arnt naturally selfish. However they do not tend to cry over the suffering of their loves one nor their death. However they will protect themselves if need be and can hold a grudge for generations (working on a few things that will happen between tribal descendants).

The best way to force them into line would be to break their claws publicly. Breaking their claws is humiliating and they do it only in wedding ceremonies as a way to show their spouse (or spouses) that they are willing to suffer the humiliation of broken claws.

Its humiliating as they cannot enter Marthal without using their claws to climb the trees.

That being said this is not knowledge any of your characters know Vash nor is it knowledge the Artugans would ever give up willingly.

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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 03:50:00 - [241] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I want a rebel group, not supporting the Creed, but I lack the motive and name. Osmar are too few. Religion is also not a problem Power would lead to the group falling part soon. It's hard, maybe a huge amount of war. Any ideas guys? Read about the Kysmal. We love war.....not so much war but contest. And war is contests most divine form. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Vash Warren SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 208	Posted - 2015.06.22 03:57:00 - [242] - Quote Did you write a page on the Creed? I don't remember it well but I would say it was a group of people who were accepted and at some point just before accepting the oath or soon after they felt the Creed dictated away to much free will from those who were part of it. Such as almost enslaving their members. Or they could feel it is in the name of honor and that the tactics the Creed has used in the past has been unfair or unjust to others and as such want it to be changed through force, or totally abolished. Caldari Body, Caldari Core, But Amarr with my Soul. 19 Mil SP, Next Adventure. Amarr Assult.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2015.06.22 07:10:00 - [243] - Quote Vash Warren wrote: Did you write a page on the Creed? I don't remember it well but I would say it was a group of people who were accepted and at some point just before accepting the oath or soon after they felt the Creed dictated away to much free will from those who were part of it. Such as almost enslaving their members. Or they could feel it is in the name of honor and that the tactics the Creed has used in the past has been unfair or unjust to others and as such want it to be changed through force, or totally abolished. Johnny which would be most effective on the way the Slaves. Do they care that others suffer or are they more selfish, Just point to which would be the best system for the use on the Ants. Well Artugians don't work for themselves. So they arnt naturally selfish. However they do not tend to cry over the suffering of their loves one nor their death. However they will protect themselves if need be and can hold a grudge for generations (working on a few things that will happen between tribal descendants). The best way to force them into line would be to break their claws publicly. Breaking their claws is humiliating and they do it only in wedding ceremonies as a way to show their spouse (or spouses) that they are willing to suffer the humiliation of broken claws. Its humiliating as they cannot enter Marthal without using their claws to climb the trees. Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2015.06.22 08:15:00 - [244] - Quote Just curious, seeing as the Mur and Artugians are friends (or at least friendly with each other), would anyone object with me skipping forward a month or two and the Mur having taught the Artugians ship building techniques and possible minor metal working (thinking that the main weapon for the Artugians would be bladed staff their armour being very minimal, would be just leather with a small plate over the heart). Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 08:19:00 - [245] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Vash Warren wrote: Did you write a page on the Creed? I don't remember it well but I would say it was a group of people who were accepted and at some point just before accepting the oath or soon after they felt the Creed dictated away to much free will from those who were part of it. Such as almost enslaving their members. Or they could feel it is in the name of honor and that the tactics the Creed has used in the past has been unfair or unjust to others and as such want it to be changed through force, or totally abolished. Johnny which would be most effective on the way the Slaves. Do they care that others suffer or are they more selfish, Just point to which would be the best system for the use on the Ants. Well Artugians don't work for themselves. So they arnt naturally selfish. However they do not tend to cry over the suffering of their loves one nor their death. However they will protect themselves if need be and can hold a grudge for generations (working on a few things that will happen between tribal descendants). The best way to force them into line would be to break their claws publicly. Breaking their claws is humiliating and they do it only in wedding ceremonies as a way to show their spouse (or spouses) that they are willing to suffer the humiliation of broken claws. Its humiliating as they cannot enter Marthal without using their claws to climb the trees. That being said this is not knowledge any of your characters know Vash nor is it knowledge the Artugans would ever give up willingly. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2015.06.22 08:48:00 - [246] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: Vash Warren wrote: Did you write a page on the Creed? I don't remember it well but I would say it was a group of people who were accepted and at some point just before accepting the oath or soon after they felt the Creed dictated away to much free will from those who were part of it. Such as almost enslaving their members. Or they could feel it is in the name of honor and that the tactics the Creed has used in the past has been unfair or unjust to others and as such want it to be changed through force, or totally abolished. Johnny which would be most effective on the way the Slaves. Do they care that others suffer or are they more selfish, Just point to which would be the best system for the use on the Ants. Well Artugians don't work for themselves. So they arnt naturally selfish. However they do not tend to cry over the suffering of their loves one nor their death. However they will protect themselves if need be and can hold a grudge for generations (working on a few things that will happen between tribal descendants). The best way to force them into line would be to break their claws publicly. Breaking their claws is humiliating and they do it only in wedding ceremonies as a way to show their spouse (or spouses) that they are willing to suffer the humiliation of broken claws. Its humiliating as they cannot enter Marthal without using their claws to climb the trees. That being said this is not knowledge any of your characters know Vash nor is it knowledge the Artugans would ever give up willingly. That is true, but I guess Vash can figure out by trying different methods of punishment including claw breaking. Also this what I was thinking for staff weapon and armour. Best photos I could find of what I was thinking. Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
Vash Warren SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 208	Posted - 2015.06.22 12:48:00 - [247] - Quote That is true. One of my first ideas in breaking them was claw breaking (also as a means of disarmament) but yes as a punishment it would make sense as well I guess. Caldari Body, Caldari Core, But Amarr with my Soul. 19 Mil SP, Next Adventure. Amarr Assult.
sir RAVEN WING 3	Posted - 2015.06.22 21:50:00 - [248] - Quote Roll: 1 Target: Patris Event: The rebel group called 'Cauti' engages in war with the central governent of Patris, throwing the country into a civil war, splitting the country in two. -Will update map- Roll: 2 Target: Talman Many crops die, and much of the country's food is lost with it. Only a handful of fields are left. Roll: 5 Target: Angelis Event: While working with a few Mur to search the waters near the Angelis isles, Patris Coast, and Osmarium Coast, the Angelis discover relics of advanced civilization, and they are presumed to predate the Angelis themselves. The assisting Mur are rewarded handsomely, some even becoming high class Angelis citizens. Woo. Okay, so rolls will now be done here from now on. Raven for CPM2 Shield buff, focus on balancing of weapons, and vehicles. New Content if possible + PS4 port.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 22:02:00 - [249] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Roll: 1 Target: Patris Event: The rebel group called 'Cauti' engages in war with the central governent of Patris, throwing the country into a civil war, splitting the country in two. -Will update map- Roll: 2 Target: Talman Many crops die, and much of the country's food is lost with it. Only a handful of fields are left. Roll: 5 Target: Angelis Event: While working with a few Mur to search the waters near the Angelis isles, Patris Coast, and Osmarium Coast, the Angelis discover relics of advanced civilization, and they are presumed to predate the Angelis themselves. The assisting Mur are rewarded handsomely, some even becoming high class Angelis citizens. Woo. Okay, so rolls will now be done here from now on. Oh this means the potential of war if the Angelis do not give up those potential Shalvyian Relics. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
sir RAVEN WING 3	Posted - 2015.06.22 22:09:00 - [250] - Quote True Adamance wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Roll: 1 Target: Patris Event: The rebel group called 'Cauti' engages in war with the central governent of Patris, throwing the country into a civil war, splitting the country in two. -Will update map- Roll: 2 Target: Talman Many crops die, and much of the country's food is lost with it. Only a handful of fields are left. Roll: 5 Target: Angelis Event: While working with a few Mur to search the waters near the Angelis isles, Patris Coast, and Osmarium Coast, the Angelis discover relics of advanced civilization, and they are presumed to predate the Angelis themselves. The assisting Mur are rewarded handsomely, some even becoming high class Angelis citizens. Woo. Okay, so rolls will now be done here from now on. Oh this means the potential of war if the Angelis do not give up those potential Shalvyian Relics. The relics would be rather lackluster to the Mur, as they are from the old world civilizations. (Before the reset.) The Paric - Relic Osmar - Relic Talman Vagabonds - Relic Bloods The above were the races that are from the old world. The Vagabonds fell and are now the Dals. The Talman are the results of an empire falling after colonization of the world. Bloods still exist The Paric are the unknown remainder of the Parabunny Nation The Osmar... were the Osmar. Anyhow, you may still attempt to create war, but the Angelis are a rather weak nation, military wise. Raven for CPM2 Shield buff, focus on balancing of weapons, and vehicles. New Content if possible + PS4 port.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.22 22:12:00 - [251] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: True Adamance wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Roll: 1 Target: Patris Event: The rebel group called 'Cauti' engages in war with the central governent of Patris, throwing the country into a civil war, splitting the country in two. -Will update map- Roll: 2 Target: Talman Many crops die, and much of the country's food is lost with it. Only a handful of fields are left. Roll: 5 Target: Angelis Event: While working with a few Mur to search the waters near the Angelis isles, Patris Coast, and Osmarium Coast, the Angelis discover relics of advanced civilization, and they are presumed to predate the Angelis themselves. The assisting Mur are rewarded handsomely, some even becoming high class Angelis citizens. Woo. Okay, so rolls will now be done here from now on. Oh this means the potential of war if the Angelis do not give up those potential Shalvyian Relics. The relics would be rather lackluster to the Mur, as they are from the old world civilizations. (Before the reset.) The Paric - Relic Osmar - Relic Talman Vagabonds - Relic Bloods The above were the races that are from the old world. The Vagabonds fell and are now the Dals. The Talman are the results of an empire falling after colonization of the world. Bloods still exist The Paric are the unknown remainder of the Parabunny Nation The Osmar... were the Osmar. Anyhow, you may still attempt to create war, but the Angelis are a rather weak nation, military wise. All the Mur know is that you found relics on the sea floor. If you don't give them up for inspection the Fleets will force a viewing. Any clue to the location of Shalvys is worth fighting for. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Vash Warren SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 208	Posted - 2015.06.23 01:24:00 - [252] - Quote Who is the new greenish color south of the Blood Raiders now? Caldari Body, Caldari Core, But Amarr with my Soul. 19 Mil SP, Next Adventure. Amarr Assult.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 06:11:00 - [253] - Quote The Artugians are willing to donate troops and Ancestral Summoners to the Paric war effort on the grounds that they only fight the Tal-Man. Also they will send an Ancestor of Wisdom as a gift to the Mur if they teach them to build ships. Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.23 09:05:00 - [254] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: The Artugians are willing to donate troops and Ancestral Summoners to the Paric war effort on the grounds that they only fight the Tal-Man. Also they will send an Ancestor of Wisdom as a gift to the Mur if they teach them to build ships. We'll teach you rudimentary designs for ships but we'll never teach Landborn how to make ships the Mur way. That being said I am conflicted. We are friends of the Artugians but also trade partners of the the Tal-Man and we take our agreements very seriously. I think the only compromise that we can come to on this is teaching the free Artugians how to construct basic seafaring vessels and the fundamentals of navigation, we shall remain neutral in the war but continue to openly trade with the Tal-Man sending merchant ships under armed guard offering a stern warning that any who dare to deny the Mur passage on their oceans or undertake aggressive actions against be fully subject to the combined might of the Fleets until concessions are made to preserve relations. In an official series of announcements the Mur will address the world before it sinks into chaos. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Vash Warren SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 208	Posted - 2015.06.23 13:24:00 - [255] - Quote Welcome to World War (maybe one) Tal-Man Vs. Parics Tal-Man Vs. Artugians Osmar ? Parics Vs. The Rebels Angelis The Mur Vs. who ever attacks their vesels Alliances likely/possible Mur/Osmar Tal-Man/ Mur Paric/Artugians Tal-Man/ Paric Rebels Artugians/ Mur Welcome to the World War. Caldari Body, Caldari Core, But Amarr with my Soul. 19 Mil SP, Next Adventure. Amarr Assult.
sir RAVEN WING 3	Posted - 2015.06.23 13:44:00 - [256] - Quote Vash Warren wrote: Welcome to World War (maybe one) Tal-Man Vs. Parics Tal-Man Vs. Artugians Osmar ? Parics Vs. The Rebels Angelis The Mur Vs. who ever attacks their vesels Alliances likely/possible Mur/Osmar Tal-Man/ Mur Paric/Artugians Tal-Man/ Paric Rebels Artugians/ Mur Welcome to the World War. Let me do something similar. Mur Vs. Angelis Tal-Man Vs. Paric Tal-Man Vs Artugians Osmar Vs Osmar Paric Vs. Cauti Tal-Man Vs. Cauti Tal-Man Vs. Bloods Tal-Man Vs. Blood Raiders //////////////////////////////////////////////// Artugians/Paric/Mur/Angelis Tal-Man/Osmar Cauti/Bloods/Blood Raiders Raven for CPM2 Shield buff, focus on balancing of weapons, and vehicles. New Content if possible + PS4 port.
Vash Warren SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 208	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:22:00 - [257] - Quote Bloods got a piece of land cut out for them of the Bloods land. (you still have failed to respond on either the Bloods or Parics from the letter from stalin even if he is dead they were sent) Tal-Man are the biggest trading partners of the Mur so if they are not nuetral I would bet them on my side. And the Cauti, I see no problem in opening negotiations to support their movement for freedom in Paric territories. Something along those lines of BS to keep the Parics infighting. Artugians... Lol 40 or so children 3 adults and one is a leader. The scariest part is the chance of a God Mode prayer working. Blood Raiders, I thought they accepted the Peace Talks. If nothing diplomats can hope to keep them occupied for a few months. Caldari Body, Caldari Core, But Amarr with my Soul. 19 Mil SP, Next Adventure. Amarr Assult.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:26:00 - [258] - Quote Vash Warren wrote: Bloods got a piece of land cut out for them of the Bloods land. (you still have failed to respond on either the Bloods or Parics from the letter from stalin even if he is dead they were sent) Tal-Man are the biggest trading partners of the Mur so if they are not nuetral I would bet them on my side. And the Cauti, I see no problem in opening negotiations to support their movement for freedom in Paric territories. Something along those lines of BS to keep the Parics infighting. Artugians... Lol 40 or so children 3 adults and one is a leader. The scariest part is the chance of a God Mode prayer working. Blood Raiders, I thought they accepted the Peace Talks. If nothing diplomats can hope to keep them occupied for a few months. Just imagine a couple slaves in the right places turning into Ancestors of War... Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
Vash Warren SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 208	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:34:00 - [259] - Quote The total and utter removal of your species from the main land would occur 25 minutes or so later. Plus with the check ins of the overseers the weird chants might give them away. Caldari Body, Caldari Core, But Amarr with my Soul. 19 Mil SP, Next Adventure. Amarr Assult.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:37:00 - [260] - Quote How the hell am I supposed to attack the people who sell me modern weapons for my ships? No thanks. I'll retain my neutrality for now and amass wealth in the long run. Food to the Tal-Man, Textiles to the Osmar, Knowledge with the Angellis, not sure what I get out of Pataris....... perhaps why I've not invested in it, and Land from the Artugians whom I will exploit in a Treaty Settlment then spend the next 100 years watching them make outrageous claims against. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`

sir RAVEN WING No Context 3	Posted - 2015.06.24 00:19:00 - [261] - Quote Vash Warren wrote: Bloods got a piece of land cut out for them of the Bloods land. (you still have failed to respond on either the Bloods or Parics from the letter from stalin even if he is dead they were sent) Tal-Man are the biggest trading partners of the Mur so if they are not nuetral I would bet them on my side. And the Cauti, I see no problem in opening negotiations to support their movement for freedom in Paric territories. Something along those lines of BS to keep the Parics infighting. Artugians... Lol 40 or so children 3 adults and one is a leader. The scariest part is the chance of a God Mode prayer working. Blood Raiders, I thought they accepted the Peace Talks. If nothing diplomats can hope to keep them occupied for a few months. Freedom? I'll have to explain the Cauti movement a bit more. It's less freedom. The Paric have responded, and thus why he is dead. I forgot to post to Bloods. Blood Raiders will jump when the Tal-Men are at war. @True Uh... Get them from the Bloods, Osmar, or Parians? (Preferably Osmar.) Why do I say this? Osmar were the second race to hit the seas, and the first to make it a form or warfare. Parians came after. Bloods have not, but most of those who were in Osmar territories worked creating them. (He may reject this.) *The bird has flown away for a while. Leave a message at the tone* *Gon' Flying, be back soon.*
sir RAVEN WING No Context 3	Posted - 2015.06.24 00:54:00 - [262] - Quote Originally the Paric people grew food the best. Hunting too. It was stolen. Anyhow, I do not know of anything the Parians would need from the Mur now that I think of it. *The bird has flown away for a while. Leave a message at the tone* *Gon' Flying, be back soon.*
sir RAVEN WING No Context 3	Posted - 2015.06.24 01:15:00 - [263] - Quote Firearms. They seem rather lacking. Getting to the final stage will be around page 400 at this pace. Not asking to hurry, just advance a bit more. (Yes, it has occurred to me that we have little use for them, with wars being more or less rare.) *The bird has flown away for a while. Leave a message at the tone* *Gon' Flying, be back soon.*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.24 01:27:00 - [264] - Quote Beyond competing with Spade's Osmar Navy and exports I really also can't think of anything the Mur want. But if I had to think about it they would buy things they could not find in their own lands. Specifically precious minerals, spices, herbs [mainly the medicinal derivatives of them]. Gemstones that are blue or green are incredibly prized amongst the Mur especially those that are uncut and they would pay through the nose to get at them. Property in foreign lands is a plus. The only thing the Mur really need to take by force are the bowspirits of vessels, and I will be writing a new raid with the Maelstrom raiding merchantmur ships. As war starts up the Mur will be getting decidedly more daring in their dealings with the Landborn nations. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
sir RAVEN WING No Context 3	Posted - 2015.06.24 01:32:00 - [265] - Quote These Jewels. I will have to check something. Land? Available Herbs? Have them. *The bird has flown away for a while. Leave a message at the tone* *Gon' Flying, be back soon.*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.24 03:11:00 - [266] - Quote That all being said ending trade agreements and then proceeding to use military force is rather poor precedent to set in terms of foreign affairs. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Vash Warren SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 209	Posted - 2015.06.25 04:12:00 - [267] - Quote Well with the Civil War Tal-Man government will play to flip the Creed houses in Tal-Man Lands to a loyal to the State group. Also I play on seeing if the Cauti or the Parics would be more friendly to Tal-Man policy then backing them with support. Tal-Man becoming the America of sticking its nose where it does not belong. I figure in the Discussion between Gray and that one girl, Gray would inform about the new species of slaves the Tal-Man discovered as he has sources that inform him their is the possibly of a market here as well. In 2 or 3 generations the will more than double so 140, 280, 560... Nice growth rate. So in 3 generations they will begin to sell of slaves to other nations. @ Osmar what do they look like? Just humans or I feel like I am missing a small detail they have. Ranking of attractiveness like True did. 1 2 3 4 5 Parics (Artguians are not ranked as they are both considered very unattarctive, unseen by most of the population, and are considered lower than Tal-Man) Finish later. Caldari Body, Caldari Core, But Amarr with my Soul. 20 Mil SP, Next Adventure. Amarr Assult/ Caldari Logi
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.25 04:30:00 - [268] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Just curious, seeing as the Mur and Artugians are friends (or at least friendly with each other), would anyone object with me skipping forward a month or two and the Mur having taught the Artugians ship building techniques and possible minor metal working (thinking that the main weapon for the Artugians would be bladed staff their armour being very minimal, would be just leather with a small plate over the heart). I have no beef. Just let me finish up the scene with Vash and I can set the Mur to Auto pilot. Worth noting if the Artugians ask why the Mur are teaching the to build ships that do not look like the Thalassae is it because they are incredibly difficult to replicate outside of the Isles and partially because the designs themselves are the key to Mur power at sea.....besides of course the whole swimming/breath holding. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
sir RAVEN WING No Context 3	Posted - 2015.06.25 13:52:00 - [269] - Quote The attractiveness chart thing. Osmar - 8/10 Mur - 6/10 Tal-Men - 3/10 Bloods - 9/10 Artugians - 8/10 Angelis - 7/10 Parians - 9/10 Cathay Raht - 1/10 *The bird has flown away for a while. Leave a message at the tone* *Gon' Flying, be back soon.*
Cryptic WarDevil New Eden Special Operations Group 95	Posted - 2015.06.25 21:12:00 - [270] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: The attractiveness chart thing. Osmar - 8/10 Mur - 6/10 Tal-Men - 3/10 Bloods - 9/10 Artugians - 8/10 Angelis - 7/10 Parians - 9/10 Cathay Raht - 1/10 YOU BETTER CHANGE US TO A 4 AT LEAST! Those who see us as blood thirsty beasts and thieves are blind to the true nature of the Cathay-Raht- King Za'harr



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