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Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2143	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:07:00 - [1] - Quote 4 Myofibs on my Min Assault and I am jumping only half as high as before? Hmm. I traded 4 complex shield extenders just to jump. That is 290 shields MOFO! Now there is nothing fun left. Nova Knives are took easy and boring. Everything has been stripped of me. I didn't care if assaults were jumping really high. They had the HP of a scout, the speed of an Assault, and the scanning abilities of an Assault. There was nothing OP about 5 myofibs just as there is nothing OP about stacking 5 shield extenders. We made a sacrifice. We sacrificed literally all of the possible high slot modules for the ability to jump ontop of a crate. Now what can I do with 5 myofibs? I can jump over a rail. Thanks CCP. You destroyed a play style. You took away the fresh air. Why is jumping around even scrubby? Maybe you're the scrub walking around with as much HP on an Assault as a Heavy. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2995	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:11:00 - [2] - Quote Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2144	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:13:00 - [3] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" It depends on your definition of intended. I think they were working as intended. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1016	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:16:00 - [4] - Quote You can't jump as high with plates. If you want to jump, you have to be fragile. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2275	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:16:00 - [5] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" It depends on your definition of intended. I think they were working as intended. myos #4 and #5 gave probably inverted stackinh penalties, making them add more jump bonus than going from 0 myos to 1. It truely was not working as intended, but the emergent game play from it was pretty awesome Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1255	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:17:00 - [6] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" Yeah, so sick of all that rampant MyoStim abuse. Oh wait, the novelty wore off for most people after the first week. HP and Damage Mod stacking is still the way to go. I see maybe one or two MyoStim stackers a match. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2144	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:18:00 - [7] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" Yeah, so sick of all that rampant MyoStim abuse. Oh wait, the novelty wore off for most people after the first week. HP and Damage Mod stacking is still the way to go. I see maybe one or two MyoStim stackers a match. People find myofib users annoying because they can't kill us in 2 secs like everyone else because we can evade them. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2997	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:21:00 - [8] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" It depends on your definition of intended. I think they were working as intended. This is like all the crazy tabletop dungeons and dragons rules lawyering arguments I see people get into. Rules as written are often very different from rules as intended. In this case we swap out rules for 'code' and we end up with the statement of "Code as written is often very different from code as intended". They were dramatically overexceeding their stated design intent "3 complex would allow a minscout to barely jump up on a medium crate", what I instead saw and saw frequently was caldari and min assaults that still had plenty of HP, jumping twice the height of those crates while wielding splash damage weapons, so they could play tribes ascend while everyone else was still stuck on the ground. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9496	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:23:00 - [9] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" It depends on your definition of intended. I think they were working as intended. This is like all the crazy tabletop dungeons and dragons rules lawyering arguments I see people get into. Rules as written are often very different from rules as intended. In this case we swap out rules for 'code' and we end up with the statement of "Code as written is often very different from code as intended". They were dramatically overexceeding their stated design intent "3 complex would allow a minscout to barely jump up on a medium crate", what I instead saw and saw frequently was caldari and min assaults that still had plenty of HP, jumping twice the height of those crates while wielding splash damage weapons, so they could play tribes ascend while everyone else was still stuck on the ground. I'm with Mina. The heights achieved at 4x and 5x were not intended and were absolutely ridiculous. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1349	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:31:00 - [10] - Quote I have actually a good argument as to why old 5 myof. were 'game breaking'. Without pentalies and 5 myof. you could jump on a structures where you normaly would need a DS. Thus you were taking away part of DS role. It was also too easy to just jump around and set links in weird places. Caldari Loyalist thecreaturehub fan

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7332	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:34:00 - [11] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" It depends on your definition of intended. I think they were working as intended. Rattati intended for three of them on a scout to be able to reach the top of a crate. This was the intention. How high people were getting up to was far from the intention. Your definition doesn't mean jack when only the developers get to know and decide what items are supposed to do at what magnitude.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1017	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:40:00 - [12] - Quote What's ridiculous is the fact that you folks are so critical of jumping. Just because a few vocal forum warriors are intimidated by the fragile jumpy guy isn't adequate justification to nerf an exciting playstyle into the ground. Are jumpers annoying? Hell yeah they are! But so are sentinels, scouts and assaults. Should we cripple those roles too because a couple of people are irritated by them? And quit spamming that working as intended crap, please. Thats a cop out to avoided a conversation in which you are being asked to acknowledge that jumping isn't even half as detrimental as you are claiming. Seriously, we are talking about suits that have less health than a sub machine guns dps! "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 650	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:43:00 - [13] - Quote Not that type of game. Titanfall is that way ==> See what happens CCP when you let the cat out of the bag with some stupid little machanic. People act like it should be written in stone. First the cloak and now this. It's like a damn crutch. Just say NO to your combat game being turned into Super Mario Bros people. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1017	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:43:00 - [14] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: I have actually a good argument as to why old 5 myof. were 'game breaking'. Without pentalies and 5 myof. you could jump on a structures where you normaly would need a DS. Thus you were taking away part of DS role. It was also too easy to just jump around and set links in weird places. So adding a new dimension of tactics is game breaking? Huh. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1256	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:48:00 - [15] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Not that type of game. Titanfall is that way ==> See what happens CCP when you let the cat out of the bag with some stupid little machanic. People act like it should be written in stone. First the cloak and now this. It's like a damn crutch. Just say NO to your combat game being turned into Super Mario Bros people. And here comes the "dust is super srs war game no fun allowed" crowd *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2546	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:50:00 - [16] - Quote I'm going to miss my jump height... but hey, Amarr assaults and Gal assaults with 800+ armor jumping on crates and over other obstacles is perfectly alright, so I guess it's back to the usual. My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7332	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:50:00 - [17] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Mejt0 wrote: I have actually a good argument as to why old 5 myof. were 'game breaking'. Without pentalies and 5 myof. you could jump on a structures where you normaly would need a DS. Thus you were taking away part of DS role. It was also too easy to just jump around and set links in weird places. So adding a new dimension of tactics is game breaking? Huh. Having the role of a dropship taken away is pretty game breaking when dealing with this type of game.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2278	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:57:00 - [18] - Quote Joel II X wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Mejt0 wrote: I have actually a good argument as to why old 5 myof. were 'game breaking'. Without pentalies and 5 myof. you could jump on a structures where you normaly would need a DS. Thus you were taking away part of DS role. It was also too easy to just jump around and set links in weird places. So adding a new dimension of tactics is game breaking? Huh. Having the role of a dropship taken away is pretty game breaking when dealing with this type of game. You know ladders did that on most of the old maps right? Or the fact that there were still dozens of well known uplink perches still ONLY accessible by DS's. But hry, having gunfights in true spontaneous 3-d is hard! Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3088	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:04:00 - [19] - Quote It was literally the only module in the entire new eden universe that had a reverse stacking penalty. It looked absurd and destroyed the balance of weapons that were designed around bullet drop--when you're shooting straight down, bullet drop becomes irrelevant. I'd like to see CCP fix the stacking penalty bug so you can fit as many as you want with proper stacking penalties applying. I'd also like to see CCP one day add some equipment to improve verticality like jetpacks and the grappling pin/magnetic boots set where you could winch yourself up buildings or even hang upside-down from ceilings. Both of these would have significant drawbacks though. Jetpacks would be lockable to swarms and bloom your profile to that of a vehicle. The grappling pin/magnetic boots would bloom your sig and the magnets would attract grenades and weapons with projectiles (the way A/V grenades do). Best PvE idea ever!
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 974	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:13:00 - [20] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Now there is nothing fun left. Nova Knives are took easy and boring. Everything has been stripped of me. I didn't care if assaults were jumping really high. They had the HP of a scout, the speed of an Assault, and the scanning abilities of an Assault. There was nothing OP about 5 myofibs just as there is nothing OP about stacking 5 shield extenders. We made a sacrifice. We sacrificed literally all of the possible high slot modules for the ability to jump ontop of a crate. Thanks CCP. You destroyed a play style. You took away the fresh air. Why is jumping around even scrubby? Maybe you're the scrub walking around with as much HP on an Assault as a Heavy. So based on your logic I should be able to stack as many damage mods as I want w/o a penalty? I mean hey i'm sacraficing my shields.... Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7335	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:22:00 - [21] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Joel II X wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Mejt0 wrote: I have actually a good argument as to why old 5 myof. were 'game breaking'. Without pentalies and 5 myof. you could jump on a structures where you normaly would need a DS. Thus you were taking away part of DS role. It was also too easy to just jump around and set links in weird places. So adding a new dimension of tactics is game breaking? Huh. Having the role of a dropship taken away is pretty game breaking when dealing with this type of game. You know ladders did that on most of the old maps right? Or the fact that there were still dozens of well known uplink perches still ONLY accessible by DS's. But hry, having gunfights in true spontaneous 3-d is hard! I didn't know there were ladders going to the top of that one mushroom. Our the buildings on top of the train map... Or to the building at A in the Biomass Facility... Besides, it takes too long to climb a ladder rather than go by a DS of simply jump on top. I don't dislike Myofibrils because they give an edge over grounded opponents or whatever. I dislike the fact that people want to protect something that was clearly not working as intended. Do the devs need another reason other than to fix what is broken? That's like asking to bring back the Sprint bug because people run away too much and you can't get a single kill. It's exactly the same.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 394	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:27:00 - [22] - Quote I only ever used one to jump on top of crates, never had the chance to use more than one,guess I won't ever again. If what I heard from squad mates were correct, they're annoyed because it looked a bit cartoonish due to lack of proper animation and the enemy abused the mechanic like a quick escape button while also spamming with high damage AOE weapons like the mass driver or plasma cannon. I don't have a problem with it of course since my targets would have so little ehp they would be easy to kill. Why not just keep the super jumps but add a 'charge' mechanic to it to reduce jump spam? A tap would mean a normal jump and holding the button would increase jump height Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2280	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:29:00 - [23] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Joel II X wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Mejt0 wrote: I have actually a good argument as to why old 5 myof. were 'game breaking'. Without pentalies and 5 myof. you could jump on a structures where you normaly would need a DS. Thus you were taking away part of DS role. It was also too easy to just jump around and set links in weird places. So adding a new dimension of tactics is game breaking? Huh. Having the role of a dropship taken away is pretty game breaking when dealing with this type of game. You know ladders did that on most of the old maps right? Or the fact that there were still dozens of well known uplink perches still ONLY accessible by DS's. But hry, having gunfights in true spontaneous 3-d is hard! I didn't know there were ladders going to the top of that one mushroom. Our the buildings on top of the train map... Or to the building at A in the Biomass Facility... Besides, it takes too long to climb a ladder rather than go by a DS of simply jump on top. I don't dislike Myofibrils because they give an edge over grounded opponents or whatever. I dislike the fact that people want to protect something that was clearly not working as intended. Do the devs need another reason other than to fix what is broken? That's like asking to bring back the Sprint bug because people run away too much and you can't get a single kill. It's exactly the same. I want the stacking penalty to be applied right, cause then i can still jump up to the crows nest on the L pipe map. But also because module limiting is a blah solution. Also, using the sprint bug is a bad example because of its double edge swird mentality: sure you can shoot that pesky scout cause bugs, but good fuucking lick running away yourself. Kinda like uber myo stacking. Id much rather have the infantry shield recharge issue from uprising 1.0-1.4. I muss godmode shields. Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
DUST Fiend 16879	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:31:00 - [24] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: This is like all the crazy tabletop dungeons and dragons rules lawyering arguments I see people get into. Rules as written are often very different from rules as intended. God what I wouldn't give for self updating books Trying to keep track of Wizards fixes to rules is a damn nightmare, or at least it was back when I tried to keep up with it haha. "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 394	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:33:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: This is like all the crazy tabletop dungeons and dragons rules lawyering arguments I see people get into. Rules as written are often very different from rules as intended. God what I wouldn't give for self updating books Trying to keep track of Wizards fixes to rules is a damn nightmare, or at least it was back when I tried to keep up with it haha. You play DnD? Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
DUST Fiend 16880	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:44:00 - [26] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: This is like all the crazy tabletop dungeons and dragons rules lawyering arguments I see people get into. Rules as written are often very different from rules as intended. God what I wouldn't give for self updating books Trying to keep track of Wizards fixes to rules is a damn nightmare, or at least it was back when I tried to keep up with it haha. You play DnD? I used to play it religiously, I haven't had the chance to play in years though. I DMd mostly, I like to keep things cruel but fair "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2280	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:45:00 - [27] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: This is like all the crazy tabletop dungeons and dragons rules lawyering arguments I see people get into. Rules as written are often very different from rules as intended. God what I wouldn't give for self updating books Trying to keep track of Wizards fixes to rules is a damn nightmare, or at least it was back when I tried to keep up with it haha. You play DnD? I used to play it religiously, I haven't had the chance to play in years though. I DMd mostly, I like to keep things cruel but fair Kinda like dust! Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 394	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:55:00 - [28] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: This is like all the crazy tabletop dungeons and dragons rules lawyering arguments I see people get into. Rules as written are often very different from rules as intended. God what I wouldn't give for self updating books Trying to keep track of Wizards fixes to rules is a damn nightmare, or at least it was back when I tried to keep up with it haha. You play DnD? I used to play it religiously, I haven't had the chance to play in years though. I DMd mostly, I like to keep things cruel but fair I never Dm'd, can't come up with a good plot. UsuallyI'd play with friends during Thursdays but finals came up. Would be nice if we could play a dust related game Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
wireless pin Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:57:00 - [29] - Quote My main lost about 30 million in assets because of 5xMyo stacked cal assaults with PLC's and Flaylocks. Now I've just replaced the myo's with shields and the PLC with an assault rail rifle and the flaylock with a bolt pistol. Happy now fucktards?
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1257	Posted - 2015.05.07 22:01:00 - [30] - Quote wireless pin wrote: My main lost about 30 million in assets because of 5xMyo stacked cal assaults with PLC's and Flaylocks. Now I've just replaced the myo's with shields and the PLC with an assault rail rifle and the flaylock with a bolt pistol. Happy now fucktards? You can't blame other players for you losing 30mil in gear. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*

Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2280	Posted - 2015.05.07 22:03:00 - [31] - Quote wireless pin wrote: My main lost about 30 million in assets because of 5xMyo stacked cal assaults with PLC's and Flaylocks. Now I've just replaced the myo's with shields and the PLC with an assault rail rifle and the flaylock with a bolt pistol. Happy now fucktards? Funny, i prolly lost that much in dying to fall damage Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
DUST Fiend 16884	Posted - 2015.05.07 22:03:00 - [32] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: I never Dm'd, can't come up with a good plot. UsuallyI'd play with friends during Thursdays but finals came up. Would be nice if we could play a dust related game There's a new online DMing tool to run campaigns that's being made through kickstarter, it's not pretty but it looks like it nails down most of the basics. I think it runs on 5th edition which I haven't tried yet, too damn poor for that lol, but it could be worth keeping an eye on. My plots were never all that great but I have excellent combat sequences that move rapidly so that always seemed to be enough to keep people hooked. I use a lot of forced teleports and impossible odds to help guide my groups, cuz as a DM freeroaming annoys the hell out of me haha. "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 394	Posted - 2015.05.07 22:08:00 - [33] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: I never Dm'd, can't come up with a good plot. UsuallyI'd play with friends during Thursdays but finals came up. Would be nice if we could play a dust related game There's a new online DMing tool to run campaigns that's being made through kickstarter, it's not pretty but it looks like it nails down most of the basics. I think it runs on 5th edition which I haven't tried yet, too damn poor for that lol, but it could be worth keeping an eye on. My plots were never all that great but I have excellent combat sequences that move rapidly so that always seemed to be enough to keep people hooked. I use a lot of forced teleports and impossible odds to help guide my groups, cuz as a DM freeroaming annoys the hell out of me haha. The site I usually play in is called roll20.com, really cool too has purely random values for dice rolling. Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2146	Posted - 2015.05.07 22:11:00 - [34] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" It depends on your definition of intended. I think they were working as intended. Rattati intended for three of them on a scout to be able to reach the top of a crate. This was the intention. How high people were getting up to was far from the intention. Your definition doesn't mean jack when only the developers get to know and decide what items are supposed to do at what magnitude. Do you play a min scout? I do. I also put 3 complex myofibs on it and I'm barley getting ontop of the crates by like 2-3 inches. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3089	Posted - 2015.05.07 22:48:00 - [35] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Joel II X wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" It depends on your definition of intended. I think they were working as intended. Rattati intended for three of them on a scout to be able to reach the top of a crate. This was the intention. How high people were getting up to was far from the intention. Your definition doesn't mean jack when only the developers get to know and decide what items are supposed to do at what magnitude. Do you play a min scout? I do. I also put 3 complex myofibs on it and I'm barley getting ontop of the crates by like 2-3 inches. Working as intended? Best PvE idea ever!
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2547	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:24:00 - [36] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: wireless pin wrote: My main lost about 30 million in assets because of 5xMyo stacked cal assaults with PLC's and Flaylocks. Now I've just replaced the myo's with shields and the PLC with an assault rail rifle and the flaylock with a bolt pistol. Happy now fucktards? You can't blame other players for you losing 30mil in gear. I think he meant he lost that much having fun with Myofibril fits. They're not exactly cheap, and their ability to survive isn't very high compared to the average proto fit Gal or Amarr assault. My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1257	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:28:00 - [37] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: wireless pin wrote: My main lost about 30 million in assets because of 5xMyo stacked cal assaults with PLC's and Flaylocks. Now I've just replaced the myo's with shields and the PLC with an assault rail rifle and the flaylock with a bolt pistol. Happy now fucktards? You can't blame other players for you losing 30mil in gear. I think he meant he lost that much having fun with Myofibril fits. They're not exactly cheap, and their ability to survive isn't very high compared to the average proto fit Gal or Amarr assault. Oh yeah, I see that now. I blame public education for my reading comprehension. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2547	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:29:00 - [38] - Quote No worries, the wording wasn't very comprehensive, and hey, I might be wrong, just wagering a guess that he's angry about the changes and didn't like having to switch back to the boring styles of play. ^~^ My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2147	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:31:00 - [39] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Joel II X wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" It depends on your definition of intended. I think they were working as intended. Rattati intended for three of them on a scout to be able to reach the top of a crate. This was the intention. How high people were getting up to was far from the intention. Your definition doesn't mean jack when only the developers get to know and decide what items are supposed to do at what magnitude. Do you play a min scout? I do. I also put 3 complex myofibs on it and I'm barley getting ontop of the crates by like 2-3 inches. Working as intended? definitely not. I am on crate. I have roughly 220 ehp. Now what? What did I gain? I had to use all my high slots to jump on this crate which costed me 216 shields. There is nothing OP about the Myofib. You give up a lot of HP to be more mobile, I see nothing wrong with that. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2147	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:34:00 - [40] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Now there is nothing fun left. Nova Knives are took easy and boring. Everything has been stripped of me. I didn't care if assaults were jumping really high. They had the HP of a scout, the speed of an Assault, and the scanning abilities of an Assault. There was nothing OP about 5 myofibs just as there is nothing OP about stacking 5 shield extenders. We made a sacrifice. We sacrificed literally all of the possible high slot modules for the ability to jump ontop of a crate. Thanks CCP. You destroyed a play style. You took away the fresh air. Why is jumping around even scrubby? Maybe you're the scrub walking around with as much HP on an Assault as a Heavy. So based on your logic I should be able to stack as many damage mods as I want w/o a penalty? I mean hey i'm sacraficing my shields.... Hey, guess what.. You are doing a **** ton more damage as well. What am I doing with my Myofibs? Jumping around not focusing on killing. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.

Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2147	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:36:00 - [41] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: What's ridiculous is the fact that you folks are so critical of jumping. Just because a few vocal forum warriors are intimidated by the fragile jumpy guy isn't adequate justification to nerf an exciting playstyle into the ground. Are jumpers annoying? Hell yeah they are! But so are sentinels, scouts and assaults. Should we cripple those roles too because a couple of people are irritated by them? And quit spamming that working as intended crap, please. Thats a cop out to avoided a conversation in which you are being asked to acknowledge that jumping isn't even half as detrimental as you are claiming. Seriously, we are talking about suits that have less health than a sub machine guns dps! 100% agree. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
DUST Fiend 16893	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:38:00 - [42] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: definitely not. I am on crate. I have roughly 220 ehp. Now what? What did I gain? I had to use all my high slots to jump on this crate which costed me 216 shields. There is nothing OP about the Myofib. You give up a lot of HP to be more mobile, I see nothing wrong with that. The funny thing is that the mobility is a SIDE effect of the module. The modules PRIMARY purpose is to add to melee damage, which has only been effected at all because CCP is having issues getting stacking penalties to work for jumps. You aren't giving up 216 shields to jump high, you're giving them up to hit like a ******* truck AND jump high. "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2147	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:38:00 - [43] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: It was literally the only module in the entire new eden universe that had a reverse stacking penalty. It looked absurd and destroyed the balance of weapons that were designed around bullet drop--when you're shooting straight down, bullet drop becomes irrelevant. I'd like to see CCP fix the stacking penalty bug so you can fit as many as you want with proper stacking penalties applying. I'd also like to see CCP one day add some equipment to improve verticality like jetpacks and the grappling pin/magnetic boots set where you could winch yourself up buildings or even hang upside-down from ceilings. Both of these would have significant drawbacks though. Jetpacks would be lockable to swarms and bloom your profile to that of a vehicle. The grappling pin/magnetic boots would bloom your sig and the magnets would attract grenades and weapons with projectiles (the way A/V grenades do). I rather have 3 myofibs from now than 5 with stacking penalties. Who knows how badly CCP is going to nerf them. Watch them make it so you need a straight 4 myofibs to jump over a rail in a Cal sent. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2284	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:38:00 - [44] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Now there is nothing fun left. Nova Knives are took easy and boring. Everything has been stripped of me. I didn't care if assaults were jumping really high. They had the HP of a scout, the speed of an Assault, and the scanning abilities of an Assault. There was nothing OP about 5 myofibs just as there is nothing OP about stacking 5 shield extenders. We made a sacrifice. We sacrificed literally all of the possible high slot modules for the ability to jump ontop of a crate. Thanks CCP. You destroyed a play style. You took away the fresh air. Why is jumping around even scrubby? Maybe you're the scrub walking around with as much HP on an Assault as a Heavy. So based on your logic I should be able to stack as many damage mods as I want w/o a penalty? I mean hey i'm sacraficing my shields.... Hey, guess what.. You are doing a **** ton more damage as well. What am I doing with my Myofibs? Jumping around not focusing on killing. I remember the days when damage mod stacking penalties didnt work. Callogi snipers everywhere Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3090	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:39:00 - [45] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Do you play a min scout? I do. I also put 3 complex myofibs on it and I'm barley getting ontop of the crates by like 2-3 inches. Working as intended? definitely not. I am on crate. I have roughly 220 ehp. Now what? What did I gain? I had to use all my high slots to jump on this crate which costed me 216 shields. There is nothing OP about the Myofib. You give up a lot of HP to be more mobile, I see nothing wrong with that. The ability to ambush prey from unexpected directions, which is kinda the whole point of the Minja. Best PvE idea ever!
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2147	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:40:00 - [46] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: definitely not. I am on crate. I have roughly 220 ehp. Now what? What did I gain? I had to use all my high slots to jump on this crate which costed me 216 shields. There is nothing OP about the Myofib. You give up a lot of HP to be more mobile, I see nothing wrong with that. The funny thing is that the mobility is a SIDE effect of the module. The modules PRIMARY purpose is to add to melee damage, which has only been effected at all because CCP is having issues getting stacking penalties to work for jumps. You aren't giving up 216 shields to jump high, you're giving them up to hit like a ******* truck AND jump high. Melee is bad. It has possibly the worst hit detection in the history of this game. You have to get very very very close. Also, in a min scout, my charge Nova Knives do well over 1000 damage when charged (takes like 1 sec to charge) and have 2.5 m range compared to Melee which you literally have to teleport inside the enemies dropsuit before you can do damage. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2147	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:44:00 - [47] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Do you play a min scout? I do. I also put 3 complex myofibs on it and I'm barley getting ontop of the crates by like 2-3 inches. Working as intended? definitely not. I am on crate. I have roughly 220 ehp. Now what? What did I gain? I had to use all my high slots to jump on this crate which costed me 216 shields. There is nothing OP about the Myofib. You give up a lot of HP to be more mobile, I see nothing wrong with that. The ability to ambush prey from unexpected directions, which is kinda the whole point of the Minja. I can do that without being on the crate. The 216 Hp is also super beneficial. Also, one would probably lose 50% of their HP due to fall damage on 3x Myo Minja. #MoreCostsThanBenefits. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2147	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:46:00 - [48] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Now there is nothing fun left. Nova Knives are took easy and boring. Everything has been stripped of me. I didn't care if assaults were jumping really high. They had the HP of a scout, the speed of an Assault, and the scanning abilities of an Assault. There was nothing OP about 5 myofibs just as there is nothing OP about stacking 5 shield extenders. We made a sacrifice. We sacrificed literally all of the possible high slot modules for the ability to jump ontop of a crate. Thanks CCP. You destroyed a play style. You took away the fresh air. Why is jumping around even scrubby? Maybe you're the scrub walking around with as much HP on an Assault as a Heavy. So based on your logic I should be able to stack as many damage mods as I want w/o a penalty? I mean hey i'm sacraficing my shields.... Hey, guess what.. You are doing a **** ton more damage as well. What am I doing with my Myofibs? Jumping around not focusing on killing. I remember the days when damage mod stacking penalties didnt work. Callogi snipers everywhere Damage mods help you kill. Myofibs can help you kill (even though melee is sh*t) but they are for evading/being more tactical. No stacking penalties don't make them OP. I'm not changing the ability of my suit to kill in .5 secs instead of 1. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 53	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:49:00 - [49] - Quote I'm not saying it was ok to have it but at this point it added dimension. I'd vote to keep the jumpers but hit them with the neff bat which they just did.......so............. CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
DDx77 OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance 254	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:52:00 - [50] - Quote It makes no sense Limited resources, limited manpower So they nerf a very fun feature that wasn't an issue? What a waste of time

Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2149	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:55:00 - [51] - Quote LOL KILLZ wrote: I'm not saying it was ok to have it but at this point it added dimension. I'd vote to keep the jumpers but hit them with the neff bat which they just did.......so............. Why nerf? "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game RUST415 2264	Posted - 2015.05.08 00:12:00 - [52] - Quote I had no problem with 5x Cal Assaults or 4x Min Assaults as long as they werent all running Allotek PLC/Freedom MD and a Core Flaylock. wait Choo choo chooooo, lets all fck a blender. Dench's Thrift Shop* <-- WIP
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2152	Posted - 2015.05.08 00:14:00 - [53] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: I had no problem with 5x Cal Assaults or 4x Min Assaults as long as they werent all running Allotek PLC/Freedom MD and a Core Flaylock. wait Look on the bright side though! If they miss with Allotek they were free kills. Also, they weren't strafing. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
DUST Fiend 16896	Posted - 2015.05.08 00:18:00 - [54] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: definitely not. I am on crate. I have roughly 220 ehp. Now what? What did I gain? I had to use all my high slots to jump on this crate which costed me 216 shields. There is nothing OP about the Myofib. You give up a lot of HP to be more mobile, I see nothing wrong with that. The funny thing is that the mobility is a SIDE effect of the module. The modules PRIMARY purpose is to add to melee damage, which has only been effected at all because CCP is having issues getting stacking penalties to work for jumps. You aren't giving up 216 shields to jump high, you're giving them up to hit like a ******* truck AND jump high. Melee is bad. It has possibly the worst hit detection in the history of this game. You have to get very very very close. Also, in a min scout, my charge Nova Knives do well over 1000 damage when charged (takes like 1 sec to charge) and have 2.5 m range compared to Melee which you literally have to teleport inside the enemies dropsuit before you can do damage. However, that doesn't make me wrong. Myo's were melee boosting modules. Now, they have the ADDED benefit of allowing you to jump. As stated by the lead dev himself, the hilarious jump heights were never intended. If you'd rather fill your sidearm slot with nova knives and don't feel the jump height justifies your playstyle, pick up something else. Just because you choose not to melee, no matter how awful it may be, it doesn't change the simple fact that the jump height is NOT the primary purpose of the module. "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
BLOOD Ruler VOLKOV INDUSTRIES 1791	Posted - 2015.05.08 00:43:00 - [55] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: NOT the primary purpose of the module. Well guese what, when jump came out who cares about punching(Which has terrible hit detection) when you can really feel superhuman. Myo was for adding strength, jump hight should have long been in with that mod. When we can finally use it the right way, the Primary way has switched to secondary. If the Moonwalk was already with the Myo to begin with, how many people would actually use it for punching with the gun instead of mobility(Jumping). The purpose of the mod was to increase strength in all areas, it shouldn't have just been punching(Just dumb) Now how many use it to move more freely, ALL!!! Now shut it you jump hating, old way, will imposing Trolls, who need to Get Gud! There won't be a heart left beating... Is that fear I smell I'll kill you, I'll kill your family, I'll kill your Stars.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1030	Posted - 2015.05.08 00:54:00 - [56] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: I had no problem with 5x Cal Assaults or 4x Min Assaults as long as they werent all running Allotek PLC/Freedom MD and a Core Flaylock. wait The funny thing is that those guys aren't really all that affected by this nerf . Its the guys putting/ popping links up high that are going to have to adapt. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2160	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:06:00 - [57] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: definitely not. I am on crate. I have roughly 220 ehp. Now what? What did I gain? I had to use all my high slots to jump on this crate which costed me 216 shields. There is nothing OP about the Myofib. You give up a lot of HP to be more mobile, I see nothing wrong with that. The funny thing is that the mobility is a SIDE effect of the module. The modules PRIMARY purpose is to add to melee damage, which has only been effected at all because CCP is having issues getting stacking penalties to work for jumps. You aren't giving up 216 shields to jump high, you're giving them up to hit like a ******* truck AND jump high. Melee is bad. It has possibly the worst hit detection in the history of this game. You have to get very very very close. Also, in a min scout, my charge Nova Knives do well over 1000 damage when charged (takes like 1 sec to charge) and have 2.5 m range compared to Melee which you literally have to teleport inside the enemies dropsuit before you can do damage. However, that doesn't make me wrong. Myo's were melee boosting modules. Now, they have the ADDED benefit of allowing you to jump. As stated by the lead dev himself, the hilarious jump heights were never intended. If you'd rather fill your sidearm slot with nova knives and don't feel the jump height justifies your playstyle, pick up something else. Just because you choose not to melee, no matter how awful it may be, it doesn't change the simple fact that the jump height is NOT the primary purpose of the module. How many people used it before jump added? A couple? Now how many people use it? Hundreds? Seems like jumping is more worth it than melee. Remove the melee and still nobody would give a dam and still use it for jumping. What ever it was primarily intended to do- it didn't do it well at all. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
BLOOD Ruler VOLKOV INDUSTRIES 1791	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:13:00 - [58] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Seems like jumping is more worth it than melee. Remove the melee and still nobody would give a dam and still use it for jumping. What ever it was primarily intended to do- it didn't do it well at all. Ain't that the truth, you tell them Sir There won't be a heart left beating... Is that fear I smell I'll kill you, I'll kill your family, I'll kill your Stars.
DUST Fiend 16897	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:20:00 - [59] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: How many people used it before jump added? A couple? Now how many people use it? Hundreds? Seems like jumping is more worth it than melee. Remove the melee and still nobody would give a dam and still use it for jumping. What ever it was primarily intended to do- it didn't do it well at all. Literally all you're telling me is that melee still needs to be worked on. You know why literally hundreds of people flocked to it? Because it was obnoxious, and as stated by the lead dev, unintended. So, thank you for confirming that the only thing Myo's need is better Melee mechanics "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1031	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:27:00 - [60] - Quote Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. If it didn't work out for the suits you skilled into, I'm sorry you missed the chance to have a lot of fun. I wonder if the sides in this argument would be reversed if jump mods ended up in low slots? "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015

DUST Fiend 16897	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:28:00 - [61] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. If it didn't work out for the suits you skilled into, I'm sorry you missed the chance to have a lot of fun. I wonder if the sides in this argument would be reversed if jump mods ended up in low slots? I don't use dropsuits, but thanks for playing o7 If I wanted to jump like superman I'd just mod my Skyrim "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1031	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:29:00 - [62] - Quote The statement was meant for the opposition in general. Edit: I wish I could mod bows and arrows into dust. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
DUST Fiend 16897	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:32:00 - [63] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: The statement was meant for the opposition in general. Edit: I wish I could mod bows and arrows into dust. I would have to stick with summoning haha Daedroth, Daedroth everywhere.... "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1260	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:33:00 - [64] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. If it didn't work out for the suits you skilled into, I'm sorry you missed the chance to have a lot of fun. I wonder if the sides in this argument would be reversed if jump mods ended up in low slots? I don't use dropsuits, but thanks for playing o7 If I wanted to jump like superman I'd just mod my Skyrim You don't use dropsuits, so why do you care so much about this issue then? *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
DUST Fiend 16897	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:34:00 - [65] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. If it didn't work out for the suits you skilled into, I'm sorry you missed the chance to have a lot of fun. I wonder if the sides in this argument would be reversed if jump mods ended up in low slots? I don't use dropsuits, but thanks for playing o7 If I wanted to jump like superman I'd just mod my Skyrim You don't use dropsuits, so why do you care so much about this issue then? So because I don't use something, I should be content with it being broken? Interesting. They were never intended to let people leap the tallest buildings in a single bound, it was a mistake, and was fixed. I'm sorry that the game has become so tremendously boring that the inability to leap like a bunny just completely ruins the whole game for you. "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 658	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:49:00 - [66] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Not that type of game. Titanfall is that way ==> See what happens CCP when you let the cat out of the bag with some stupid little machanic. People act like it should be written in stone. First the cloak and now this. It's like a damn crutch. Just say NO to your combat game being turned into Super Mario Bros people. And here comes the "dust is super srs war game no fun allowed" crowd And here comes the stupid party frat game crowd. Jeez, the big EVE connection plan falls through and this is what this game gets reduced to. Yep, we knew taking your ideas to the console kiddies was a big mistake CCP. Shame you had to learn it the hard way. Legion or not GÇô PC NOW! Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 658	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:51:00 - [67] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. If it didn't work out for the suits you skilled into, I'm sorry you missed the chance to have a lot of fun. I wonder if the sides in this argument would be reversed if jump mods ended up in low slots? I don't use dropsuits, but thanks for playing o7 If I wanted to jump like superman I'd just mod my Skyrim You don't use dropsuits, so why do you care so much about this issue then? So because I don't use something, I should be content with it being broken? Interesting. They were never intended to let people leap the tallest buildings in a single bound, it was a mistake, and was fixed. I'm sorry that the game has become so tremendously boring that the inability to leap like a bunny just completely ruins the whole game for you. I'll say it again; As a dropshipper and tanker the OP jumping certainly made bitching about vehicles being OP a moot point. That is the only reason I would support it. My tank or DS is killing you? Get a myo and quit your bitching. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
BLOOD Ruler VOLKOV INDUSTRIES 1791	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:59:00 - [68] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You know why literally hundreds of people flocked to it? Because it was obnoxious, and as stated by the lead dev, unintended. You're a fool if you think people used it because it was obnoxious and I can't trust your word you don't use dropsuit. DUST Fiend wrote: Thank you for confirming that the only thing Myo's need is better Melee mechanics That was not at all what was stated, if the jump stayed and the punch left than no one would care because merc find it to be more fun to Moonwalk than punch. Even if you fix it, that won't make melee punching more popular than jumping like a real superhuman. There won't be a heart left beating... Is that fear I smell I'll kill you, I'll kill your family, I'll kill your Stars.
Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 235	Posted - 2015.05.08 02:10:00 - [69] - Quote Plenty of fun left in the game. You were just seeking something that was broken, once again. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
DUST Fiend 16903	Posted - 2015.05.08 02:13:00 - [70] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You know why literally hundreds of people flocked to it? Because it was obnoxious, and as stated by the lead dev, unintended. You're a fool if you think people used it because it was obnoxious and I can't trust your word you don't use dropsuit. DUST Fiend wrote: Thank you for confirming that the only thing Myo's need is better Melee mechanics That was not at all what was stated, if the jump stayed and the punch left than no one would care because merc find it to be more fun to Moonwalk than punch. Even if you fix it, that won't make melee punching more popular than jumping like a real superhuman. Unintended? It had more value, more purpose. If people want to play a clown game with no ties to physics, by all means, wander off and find one. I'm sorry if the dev team has specifically stated that they don't want the modules to be so obnoxious and would like them to be more of a utility module as specifically intended. You know there's an issue with the game itself when people feel that loosing the ability to fly like superman makes the game unplayable and is an unthinkable travesty. As for not using dropsuits, I extremely rarely wander around in my BPOs, but I have literally 0 SP in infantry, so that usually only happens if I'm trying to get hacks for daily missions. Also, I'd just like to highlight something for my own amusement: BLOOD Ruler wrote: You're a fool if you think people used it because it was obnoxious BLOOD Ruler wrote: merc find it to be more fun to Moonwalk than punch. "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF

Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2162	Posted - 2015.05.08 02:59:00 - [71] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: Plenty of fun left in the game. You were just seeking something that was broken, once again. And how was it broken? Was it annoying for you to kill me so you called nerf? "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
DUST Fiend 16907	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:04:00 - [72] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: Plenty of fun left in the game. You were just seeking something that was broken, once again. And how was it broken? Was it annoying for you to kill me so you called nerf? It added an unintended effect into the game that altered the very flow of maps that were never designed to accommodate a mechanic that unintentionally allowed players to circumvent map design by being little supermen. Again, if you want an obnoxious mechanic that makes no sense just so you can have "fun", go mod some other game. "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2163	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:09:00 - [73] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: How many people used it before jump added? A couple? Now how many people use it? Hundreds? Seems like jumping is more worth it than melee. Remove the melee and still nobody would give a dam and still use it for jumping. What ever it was primarily intended to do- it didn't do it well at all. Literally all you're telling me is that melee still needs to be worked on. You know why literally hundreds of people flocked to it? Because it was obnoxious, and as stated by the lead dev, unintended. So, thank you for confirming that the only thing Myo's need is better Melee mechanics This is a Sci-Fi shooter in which people wear dropsuits. Jumping high is not out of reach when using a exoskeleton specifically designed for it. (Dropsuit+lots of Myofibs). It is completely possible. Also, with 5 myofibs, you do not jump as high as the table top if you stand right next to it. That is not insanely high. That is like Neil Armstrong on the moon. In this case, it's a guy in an exoskeleton on a different planet. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2163	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:12:00 - [74] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: Plenty of fun left in the game. You were just seeking something that was broken, once again. And how was it broken? Was it annoying for you to kill me so you called nerf? It added an unintended effect into the game that altered the very flow of maps that were never designed to accommodate a mechanic that unintentionally allowed players to circumvent map design by being little supermen. Again, if you want an obnoxious mechanic that makes no sense just so you can have "fun", go mod some other game. Quote: "For all the cheese fans here's a story to nibble on. Cheese is known to have been invented accidentally by an Arab merchant. During his travels he carried milk in sacks that were made of the stomachs of certain animals. As he traveled far and wide, the heat of the sun activated rennin, an enzyme found in the stomach lining. The bacteria made the milk curdle and separate into whey. This led to the revelation of the criminally addictive cheese, so good that it's hard to imagine life without it!" A lot of masterpieces are unintentionally created. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
DUST Fiend 16910	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:14:00 - [75] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: How many people used it before jump added? A couple? Now how many people use it? Hundreds? Seems like jumping is more worth it than melee. Remove the melee and still nobody would give a dam and still use it for jumping. What ever it was primarily intended to do- it didn't do it well at all. Literally all you're telling me is that melee still needs to be worked on. You know why literally hundreds of people flocked to it? Because it was obnoxious, and as stated by the lead dev, unintended. So, thank you for confirming that the only thing Myo's need is better Melee mechanics This is a Sci-Fi shooter in which people wear dropsuits. Jumping high is not out of reach when using a exoskeleton specifically designed for it. (Dropsuit+lots of Myofibs). It is completely possible. Myo's make you stronger, they don't alter your physique. This isn't Naruto, we don't have inner chi that we channel to fly high up into the sky. Jumping as high as you do now is already pushing the bounds of reality. There comes a point where no matter how strong you are, the physics of things won't accommodate a higher jump. There's only so much energy that can be released from a pair of bent legs. Maybe what you're really pining for is a jetpack equipment. Those seem all the rage these days. Sir Dukey wrote: A lot of masterpieces are unintentionally created. And so was even more garbage "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2163	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:15:00 - [76] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: How many people used it before jump added? A couple? Now how many people use it? Hundreds? Seems like jumping is more worth it than melee. Remove the melee and still nobody would give a dam and still use it for jumping. What ever it was primarily intended to do- it didn't do it well at all. Literally all you're telling me is that melee still needs to be worked on. You know why literally hundreds of people flocked to it? Because it was obnoxious, and as stated by the lead dev, unintended. So, thank you for confirming that the only thing Myo's need is better Melee mechanics This is a Sci-Fi shooter in which people wear dropsuits. Jumping high is not out of reach when using a exoskeleton specifically designed for it. (Dropsuit+lots of Myofibs). It is completely possible. Myo's make you stronger, they don't alter your physique. This isn't Naruto, we don't have inner chi that we channel to fly high up into the sky. Jumping as high as you do now is already pushing the bounds of reality. There comes a point where no matter how strong you are, the physics of things won't accommodate a higher jump. There's only so much energy that can be released from a pair of bent legs. Maybe what you're really pining for is a jetpack equipment. Those seem all the rage these days. Millions of years in the future where intelligent beings walk around in exoskeletons. Anything is possible. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2163	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:16:00 - [77] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: And so was even more garbage Except. This isn't garbage. Garbage is the way your mind works. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
DUST Fiend 16910	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:16:00 - [78] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Millions of years in the future where intelligent beings walk around in exoskeletons. Anything is possible. You're actually right. I'll take my dropship teleporter now. Oooh and I want to fire dark energy out of my hands that rips my opponents into shreds. Oooh ooh and I want to be able to manipulate the earth to cause gigantic spikes to fly out of the ground to destroy dropships. Damn, the future without reality is ***** awesome. Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote:** And so was even more garbage Except. This isn't garbage. Garbage is the way your mind works. At least my mind works "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2163	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:19:00 - [79] - Quote I rather have nothing than garbage. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
DUST Fiend 16910	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:20:00 - [80] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Yes, be thankful it works. Jealousy isn't a good color on you. Chin up, you'll think one day too "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF

Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2169	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:22:00 - [81] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Yes, be thankful it works. Jealousy isn't a good color on you. Chin up, you'll think one day too I rather think straight than garbage like you. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
DUST Fiend 16910	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:24:00 - [82] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Yes, be thankful it works. Jealousy isn't a good color on you. Chin up, you'll think one day too I rather think straight than garbage like you. Oooh, is that a tiny hint of clever I see? Look at you, what a big boy, growing up already. wipes away a tear They really grow up so fast. "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2169	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:26:00 - [83] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Yes, be thankful it works. Jealousy isn't a good color on you. Chin up, you'll think one day too I rather think straight than garbage like you. Oooh, is that a tiny hint of clever I see? Look at you, what a big boy, growing up already. wipes away a tear They really grow up so fast. Again, another piece of garbage coming out of you. Wipes tears of sorrow hope one day you can be clever too. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 977	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:29:00 - [84] - Quote It's true Dukey the jump height with no penalties did'nt add up bro, hell tho just ask CCP for a Jetpack cause you'll probably get it, lol. Especially with how persistent you can be Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2173	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:31:00 - [85] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: It's true Dukey the jump height with no penalties did'nt add up bro, hell tho just ask CCP for a Jetpack cause you'll probably get it, lol. Especially with how persistent you can be TBH, I don't run more than 3 myofibs anyway, but I need not be nerfed!! "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1263	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:31:00 - [86] - Quote Gentlemen, please! We are highly intelligent lifeforms!(I guess) We shouldn't resort to personal attacks and name calling. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2173	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:33:00 - [87] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Gentlemen, please! We are highly intelligent lifeforms!(I guess) We shouldn't resort to personal attacks and name calling. True. I should probably go do work rather than argue with a mentally challenged teen. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
BLOOD Ruler VOLKOV INDUSTRIES 1794	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:41:00 - [88] - Quote What a brainwash.. Lets say Smith is economic system of this age.When (Unkown) woke up of death,that's mean he realized the truth, that's the reason why he stoped bullets,bullets represent arguments..there is no more of any arguments which would to destroy his truth.He realized that economic system as we know it today was created by man for some purpose,not by nature.He destroyed Smith in his head,but out here are many of you who still live in world of money-matrix that must be define by reality. Reality is an argument, it can be bended and all it takes is one man to realise "We did this, we created this, we drove outward into the farthest reaches of the galaxies, why is this not possible?" This man than made it possible. In the real world we have studied quatrum mechanics and still doing the impossible. You're telling me that making Man jump higher is out-of-the-ordinary, weird, garbage, without purpose, physic breaking. All while Man have broken physics(To my knowledge) 5-6 or more times. There won't be a heart left beating... Is that fear I smell I'll kill you, I'll kill your family, I'll kill your Stars.
BLOOD Ruler VOLKOV INDUSTRIES 1794	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:44:00 - [89] - Quote This game is set Millions of years after leaving the home planet. With vast technology that looks freaking impossible. How much of physics is broken to make a nova knife? Yet jumping higher isn't plausible and garbage. Nice mide you got there. There won't be a heart left beating... Is that fear I smell I'll kill you, I'll kill your family, I'll kill your Stars.
DUST Fiend 16913	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:44:00 - [90] - Quote This nerf is proving to be the most fun I've had in this game for quite some time now "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF

Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2176	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:48:00 - [91] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: This nerf is proving to be the most fun I've had in this game for quite some time now That is sad. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
DUST Fiend 16913	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:48:00 - [92] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: This nerf is proving to be the most fun I've had in this game for quite some time now That is sad. Just like all of you These tears are delicious "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2179	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:52:00 - [93] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: This nerf is proving to be the most fun I've had in this game for quite some time now That is sad. Just like all of you These tears are delicious Man, you only got a bucket of my tears. I've got an ocean of yours though. I look up on some rainy days and see you in your dropship crying, I then proceed to go get my swarms to annihilate you, and then Sun prevails. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
DUST Fiend 16913	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:54:00 - [94] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: This nerf is proving to be the most fun I've had in this game for quite some time now That is sad. Just like all of you These tears are delicious Man, you only got a bucket of my tears. I've got an ocean of yours though. I look up on some rainy days and see you in your dropship crying, I then proceed to go get my swarms to annihilate you, and then Sun prevails. How do you think I get up there? I'm green man, that thing runs entirely on Dukey tears. Also, you clearly don't kill me enough if you think dropping even 100 of my Derps in a match will keep me from calling out another "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
BLOOD Ruler VOLKOV INDUSTRIES 1794	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:55:00 - [95] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: It's true Dukey the jump height with no penalties did'nt add up bro, hell tho just ask CCP for a Jetpack cause you'll probably get it, lol. Especially with how persistent you can be TBH, I don't run more than 3 myofibs anyway, but I need not be nerfed!! I only us 2, but was planing to use 4 later on. Can't now, the nerf was indeed worthless. Not balance? When I touch the ground I know I lose half-all shield and some armor. You tell me that wasn't balance, it had the benefit/cost ratio people. Better maneuver of the cost of shields(dying faster) and taking damage everytime you hit the ground. To me it sounds like you had no idea how to aim at them when moonwalk occurs. There won't be a heart left beating... Is that fear I smell I'll kill you, I'll kill your family, I'll kill your Stars.
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 977	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:05:00 - [96] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: It's true Dukey the jump height with no penalties did'nt add up bro, hell tho just ask CCP for a Jetpack cause you'll probably get it, lol. Especially with how persistent you can be TBH, I don't run more than 3 myofibs anyway, but I need not be nerfed!! I only us 2, but was planing to use 4 later on. Can't now, the nerf was indeed worthless. Not balance? When I touch the ground I know I lose half-all shield and some armor. You tell me that wasn't balance, it had the benefit/cost ratio people. Better maneuver of the cost of shields(dying faster) and taking damage everytime you hit the ground. To me it sounds like you had no idea how to aim at them when moonwalk occurs. Sounds like I would'nt become a psychic if I were you that's for sure. Truth is I Don't give that big of sh!t about it one way or the other. I hope they do reverse it on the other hand so I can continue rektin people with my Malitia Plasma Cannon/Flaylock combo, oh wait I still can because I can still jump. The numbers for the height seemed off tho so i'm stating my opinion on the matter. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
BLOOD Ruler VOLKOV INDUSTRIES 1798	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:49:00 - [97] - Quote Oh forget this No Escaping Reason, No Denying Purpose For We Know Without Purpose We World Not Exist The Purpose Of Life Is To End
wireless pin Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.05.08 09:41:00 - [98] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: wireless pin wrote: My main lost about 30 million in assets because of 5xMyo stacked cal assaults with PLC's and Flaylocks. Now I've just replaced the myo's with shields and the PLC with an assault rail rifle and the flaylock with a bolt pistol. Happy now fucktards? You can't blame other players for you losing 30mil in gear. I wasn't. My main has been running a 5 myo PLC fit
wireless pin Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.05.08 09:47:00 - [99] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: wireless pin wrote: My main lost about 30 million in assets because of 5xMyo stacked cal assaults with PLC's and Flaylocks. Now I've just replaced the myo's with shields and the PLC with an assault rail rifle and the flaylock with a bolt pistol. Happy now fucktards? Funny, i prolly lost that much in dying to fall damage Pretty much how I lost mine
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8450	Posted - 2015.05.08 10:23:00 - [100] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Man, you only got a bucket of my tears. I've got an ocean of yours though. im afraid I collected all of those. And left you the oceans of xenuria tears from EVE. Least valuable tears because they are the most common. Forgive me. Couldn't resist. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!

Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 794	Posted - 2015.05.08 10:26:00 - [101] - Quote Everyone says they were easy to kill. Honestly, more than half the jumpers I experienced wielded AScR's and just murdered me while I was bringing up my view 11M SP Gallente Logistics G/1 Series Scout M/1 Series Assault M/1 Series I'm doing something wrong
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 395	Posted - 2015.05.08 10:32:00 - [102] - Quote Forced Death wrote: Everyone says they were easy to kill. Honestly, more than half the jumpers I experienced wielded AScR's and just murdered me while I was bringing up my view Proto min assaults with Carthums and 4 myo........ shudders I have encountered these try hards way too many times Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3011	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:50:00 - [103] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE OPINION. You may have found it 'cool as hell', but I guarantee you that for every person that found it 'cooooooooool' five others hated it. tal mrak-thanl wrote: If it didn't work out for the suits you skilled into, I'm sorry you missed the chance to have a lot of fun. I wonder if the sides in this argument would be reversed if jump mods ended up in low slots? "If you couldn't exploit it, I'm sorry (I'm not really, I'm just being disingenuous), I wonder if you'd be upset about having your ability to exploit it removed if you were actually exploiting it!" This I meaningless non-discussion. Stop making appeals to emotion, they're logical fallacies. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2186	Posted - 2015.05.08 21:44:00 - [104] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE OPINION. You may have found it 'cool as hell', but I guarantee you that for every person that found it 'cooooooooool' five others hated it. tal mrak-thanl wrote: If it didn't work out for the suits you skilled into, I'm sorry you missed the chance to have a lot of fun. I wonder if the sides in this argument would be reversed if jump mods ended up in low slots? "If you couldn't exploit it, I'm sorry (I'm not really, I'm just being disingenuous), I wonder if you'd be upset about having your ability to exploit it removed if you were actually exploiting it!" This I meaningless non-discussion. Stop making appeals to emotion, they're logical fallacies. What exactly is "it" that I am exploiting? "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. RUST415 3751	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:05:00 - [105] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It added an unintended effect into the game that altered the very flow of maps that were never designed to accommodate a mechanic that unintentionally allowed players to circumvent map design by being little supermen. ^^^ this was my biggest issue with it, along with the increased effectiveness of explosive weapons in the hands of a jumper.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 402	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:29:00 - [106] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE OPINION. You may have found it 'cool as hell', but I guarantee you that for every person that found it 'cooooooooool' five others hated it. tal mrak-thanl wrote: If it didn't work out for the suits you skilled into, I'm sorry you missed the chance to have a lot of fun. I wonder if the sides in this argument would be reversed if jump mods ended up in low slots? "If you couldn't exploit it, I'm sorry (I'm not really, I'm just being disingenuous), I wonder if you'd be upset about having your ability to exploit it removed if you were actually exploiting it!" This I meaningless non-discussion. Stop making appeals to emotion, they're logical fallacies. What exactly is "it" that I am exploiting? AOE weapons, escape button, hard to reach places that is supposed to be the role of dropships all that fun stuff Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2292	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:32:00 - [107] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE OPINION. You may have found it 'cool as hell', but I guarantee you that for every person that found it 'cooooooooool' five others hated it. tal mrak-thanl wrote: If it didn't work out for the suits you skilled into, I'm sorry you missed the chance to have a lot of fun. I wonder if the sides in this argument would be reversed if jump mods ended up in low slots? "If you couldn't exploit it, I'm sorry (I'm not really, I'm just being disingenuous), I wonder if you'd be upset about having your ability to exploit it removed if you were actually exploiting it!" This I meaningless non-discussion. Stop making appeals to emotion, they're logical fallacies. What exactly is "it" that I am exploiting? AOE weapons, escape button, hard to reach places that is supposed to be the role of dropships all that fun stuff Sooo....emergent game play in a sandbox universe. Trololololol Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 402	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:36:00 - [108] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Sooo....emergent game play in a sandbox universe. Trololololol Trololo all you want, it's not going to give your myos back Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9518	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:42:00 - [109] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: ... but I guarantee you that for every person that found it 'cooooooooool' five others hated it. ^ this seems very likely. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1477	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:53:00 - [110] - Quote delicious

tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1041	Posted - 2015.05.08 23:04:00 - [111] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE OPINION. You may have found it 'cool as hell', but I guarantee you that for every person that found it 'cooooooooool' five others hated it. tal mrak-thanl wrote: If it didn't work out for the suits you skilled into, I'm sorry you missed the chance to have a lot of fun. I wonder if the sides in this argument would be reversed if jump mods ended up in low slots? "If you couldn't exploit it, I'm sorry (I'm not really, I'm just being disingenuous), I wonder if you'd be upset about having your ability to exploit it removed if you were actually exploiting it!" This I meaningless non-discussion. Stop making appeals to emotion, they're logical fallacies. Yes, that was my subjective opinion, did I claim otherwise? I didn't make any appeals to emotion, I am sincere in my regret that everybody didn't get to enjoy, what I subjectively considered to be, an exceptionally fun game element. You've been ostentensibly negative throughout this entire discussion. You claim that I've commited 'logical fallacies', yet you have failed to provide any empirical evidence to support your position. Your argument of armor tanked jumpers is flat out wrong, as I've pointed out at least twice, and to which you have not replied. Your argument about an easy escape vector is absurdly wrong in my experience, jumping during combat has resulted in instant death every time I've tried it, as it has for those who have tried to jump to escape me. Apparently you've had a different experience regarding this particular aspect of jumping, as you have repeatedly cited it as a concrete and universal detriment. The premise of your argument is that jumpers annoy you; the premise of my argument is that your annoyance isn't justification to eliminate content from the game. If you consider the changes to myos within the context of one of the weapons, perhaps you will be more understanding of my reaction. Imagine if the dps of your gun of choice was halved, would you not seek a compromise at the very least? if the HMG got nerfed in half, the forums would rage! But you know what the difference is between myos and HMGs? Practically no one uses myos. Now, I am going to make an appeal to your emotions: I would appreciate if you would stop condescending to me. I apologize if something I said made you feel the need to insult my intelligence, it was never my intention to offend you. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2293	Posted - 2015.05.08 23:09:00 - [112] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Sooo....emergent game play in a sandbox universe. Trololololol Trololo all you want, it's not going to give your myos back Nope, because we must not have happy accidents. Ripley made that very very clear day one of myos release. Still got my 3 myo fast suits i use far more often than the 5 myo bombers. Im just havinh fun pulling punches for once instaed of viciously shouting down opposition to rattati. Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3024	Posted - 2015.05.08 23:36:00 - [113] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: 1)Yes, that was my subjective opinion, did I claim otherwise? I didn't make any appeals to emotion, I am sincere in my regret that everybody didn't get to enjoy, what I subjectively considered to be, an exceptionally fun game element. 2)You've been ostentensibly negative throughout this entire discussion. You claim that I've commited 'logical fallacies', yet you have failed to provide any empirical evidence to support your position. Your argument of armor tanked jumpers is flat out wrong, as I've pointed out at least twice, and to which you have not replied. Your argument about an easy escape vector is absurdly wrong in my experience, jumping during combat has resulted in instant death every time I've tried it, as it has for those who have tried to jump to escape me. Apparently you've had a different experience regarding this particular aspect of jumping, as you have repeatedly cited it as a concrete and universal detriment. 3)The premise of your argument is that jumpers annoy you; the premise of my argument is that your annoyance isn't justification to eliminate content from the game. If you consider the changes to myos within the context of one of the weapons, perhaps you will be more understanding of my reaction. Imagine if the dps of your gun of choice was halved, would you not seek a compromise at the very least? if the HMG got nerfed in half, the forums would rage! But you know what the difference is between myos and HMGs? Practically no one uses myos. Now, I am going to make an appeal to your emotions: I would appreciate if you would stop condescending to me. I apologize if something I said made you feel the need to insult my intelligence, it was never my intention to offend you. 1) You present your opinion as fact. The claim that you have not made appeals to emotion is false. 2) You have commited logical fallacies. Yes, I have been critical of your position(as you would call it 'negative'), you are also confusing the burden of proof, you are making wild assertions that myo users have to 'sacrifice a ton' and I've quite simply and easily pointed out that this is in no way the case. "Oh no armor plates negatively affect jumping" You lose what, a meter or two off of your jump height in exchange for fitting HP modules that provide equal value to the 4 highslots you've given up? What exactly are you giving up here? The ability to fit speed mods? I've only seen a few niche fits that ran speed mods instead of being ultra-tanked. Your position here is completely ridiculous and your arguments are so flawed that they don't even really need addressing. Yes sometimes jumpers die when they jump in close quarters, more often than not however, they don't unless they were completely outnumbered to begin with and even then they survive longer than most other infantry would when put in the same position 3) The premise of my argument is that stacked myo's are blatantly unbalanced, and this can be evidenced by their daily purchase rate shooting up 1000% from the day they were changed, making them 1/3rd as popular as shield extenders and 1/2 as popular as damage mods. I have provided plausible justification for my position. Each myo mod is what, 25% extra jump at complex level? If stacking penalties were applying properly that would be 86% extra jump height for four - not the 500-700% people were getting from four of them. In context that changes the normal 2m of vertical jump height on an assault to 3.7m, not the 13-15m people were getting. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2293	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:02:00 - [114] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE OPINION. You may have found it 'cool as hell', but I guarantee you that for every person that found it 'cooooooooool' five others hated it. care substantiate how you quantified that? Or are you making a subjective opinion as well? Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 402	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:08:00 - [115] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE OPINION. You may have found it 'cool as hell', but I guarantee you that for every person that found it 'cooooooooool' five others hated it. care substantiate how you quantified that? Or are you making a subjective opinion as well? you can read one of the many displeased topics people have made about myos, just hit up the search tab and write myofibrils. You just see what you want to see don't you? Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1044	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:17:00 - [116] - Quote I haven't presented my opinion as anything but. Perhaps your dislike for my opinion is affecting your ability to understand my position. "Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell" is clearly an opinion, "It is a fact that jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell" would be an assertion of factuality. Each one of the detriments and broken mechanics you have mentioned, I consider to be healthy and interesting game elements. I truly believe all of your 'plausible justification' to be trivial. But, I respect your opinion, and I respect that you defend your opinion with some degree of civility. I liked jumping, despite its inherent deviation from the original vision, and you did not. As you say, there isn't really anything to prove. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 983	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:18:00 - [117] - Quote Quote: [/quotejumping during combat has resulted in instant death every time I've tried it, as it has for those who have tried to jump to escape me. [quote] 1) Your not that smart 2) This is a fallacy 3) Your ******** I would guess #2 =ƒÿÇ Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Patrick57 10030	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:21:00 - [118] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Assaults have about 500-600 hp base. 2 complex shield extenders puts them up to almost 800, 2 complex armor plates put them up almost to 900 ehp. That's not 'scout ehp'. There was plenty of things that were overpowered about stacked myo's, including the fact that everyone knew that they were not working as intended but decided "HEY LETS ABUSE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS!" Yeah, so sick of all that rampant MyoStim abuse. Oh wait, the novelty wore off for most people after the first week. HP and Damage Mod stacking is still the way to go. I see maybe one or two MyoStim stackers a match. wait damage mod stacking is back? I still put 3 myos on my assault..
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2555	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:28:00 - [119] - Quote Damage mod stacking never left. I've got three on my Gallente assault and it absolutely tears through everything. Feels like I'm using a Scrambler Rifle, just without the heat buildup. My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2555	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:30:00 - [120] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE OPINION. You may have found it 'cool as hell', but I guarantee you that for every person that found it 'cooooooooool' five others hated it. care substantiate how you quantified that? Or are you making a subjective opinion as well? you can read one of the many displeased topics people have made about myos, just hit up the search tab and write myofibrils. You just see what you want to see don't you? You're also just as likely to find just as many people who absolutely loved myofibrils after their changes. My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~

Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2296	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:36:00 - [121] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE OPINION. You may have found it 'cool as hell', but I guarantee you that for every person that found it 'cooooooooool' five others hated it. care substantiate how you quantified that? Or are you making a subjective opinion as well? you can read one of the many displeased topics people have made about myos, just hit up the search tab and write myofibrils. You just see what you want to see don't you? Mob mentality into an ad hominum accusation of cognitive bias. Very nice. Im gonna go ahead and claim some fallacies will be in the next passages that follow because im tired, in a rush and loading feed. My opinioniated position of myos since its rebirth and error has been one of community driven emergent game play. it has been (and im sure will be) stated again that the coding is bad and behaving inconsistent with what was expected. Fine. I understand that. What the community did was play test the hell outta the broken myos. And immediately following their release, they were deemed entirely OP and game breaking. Defenders of the myos claimed,as dukey has mentioned nearly a bajilluon times (forum scientific measurement) this stacking occured on shield suits weakening main tanking. Opponents argued armor tanking still viable and this debate still rages on to today. The opponents main claim is stacked myo suits are too effective at killing because of aoe weapon damage and moderate hp values, ground speed mobility negligible at best. Mina has so expertly pointed out that the market sell history datum shows an absudly large increase in purchaess of rebuilt myos. There is nothing to refute, that is a collected datum. But what is not taken into consideration is gow thise myos are used. We di not have access to data involving suit fittings, which would then tell us the percentage of myo users per race/class, how much time elapsed is spent in a myo'ed suit, what its kill -spawn efficiency is and how many total deaths occurred per match. We have none of that. We are basing our entire forum arguments on subjective opinions gathered from the forum itself. I personally state again that i believe emergent game play should trump designed intent, included broken code (sticky res-jlavs) if the emergent tactic remains niche at best. We the forum dwellers do not have that data to argue anything further, so here we are. end passage. Poopweasel. Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3026	Posted - 2015.05.09 01:01:00 - [122] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Jumping was not obnoxious, it was cool as hell. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE OPINION. You may have found it 'cool as hell', but I guarantee you that for every person that found it 'cooooooooool' five others hated it. care substantiate how you quantified that? Or are you making a subjective opinion as well? you can read one of the many displeased topics people have made about myos, just hit up the search tab and write myofibrils. You just see what you want to see don't you? You're also just as likely to find just as many people who absolutely loved myofibrils after their changes. The very fact that it has a decisive split among peoples feelings surrounding the statement 'jumping is cool as all hell' substantiates that said statement is a subjective opinion. sub-+jec-+tive /s+Öb-êjektiv/ adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. o-+pin-+ion /+Ö-êpiny+Ön/ noun 1. a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. Compare this to objective fact ob-+jec-+tive /+Öb-êjektiv/ adjective 1. not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. fact /fakt/ noun 1. a thing that is indisputably the case. I should not have to be defining these words to adults. Nor should I have to be highlighting the obvious. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1044	Posted - 2015.05.09 01:20:00 - [123] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: The very fact that it has a decisive split among peoples feelings surrounding the statement 'jumping is cool as all hell' substantiates that said statement is a subjective opinion. sub-+jec-+tive /s+Öb-êjektiv/ adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. o-+pin-+ion /+Ö-êpiny+Ön/ noun 1. a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. Compare this to objective fact ob-+jec-+tive /+Öb-êjektiv/ adjective 1. not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. fact /fakt/ noun 1. a thing that is indisputably the case. I should not have to be defining these words to adults. Nor should I have to be highlighting the obvious. He was addressing your guarantee that for every player that liked myos, 5 hated them. Way to be condescending for no good reason. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2560	Posted - 2015.05.09 01:32:00 - [124] - Quote You can throw whatever definitions you pulled off wiki around all you want, it's not going to change that fact that some people really enjoyed them while others, like yourself, downright hated them and seem to be making it a habit of tossing out insults towards those who disagree with your ideas that Myofibrils are/were bad for the game. Like many things in this game, CCP didn't test them and didn't anticipate how high people would be jumping. The results of stacking may not have been intended, but it was one of the most entertaining glitches to ever come out of this game, not to mention the fact that it helped end a lot of rooftop camping by allowing access to many areas previously only reachable by dropship. Could a jumpy clone who just wouldn't seem to die be annoying? Yes. But so can a cloaked Gallente shotgun scout, so can a proto Amarr assault with a scrambler rifle and stacked damage mods, so can logi trains, and the redline snipers can sure as heck be annoying as well. My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3028	Posted - 2015.05.09 01:53:00 - [125] - Quote Dictionary definitions of words are wiki references now? Lol. You've outed yourself as a dumbass. We've explained why and where the problems were, ignoring evidence doesn't make it not exist. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2563	Posted - 2015.05.09 02:10:00 - [126] - Quote And you continue to show that you're quite good at tossing insults around. Definitions are (also) located on wiki, even if they don't originate there, thus the statement. Care to continue, or are you simply unable to hold a civil conversation? My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1045	Posted - 2015.05.09 02:16:00 - [127] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: He was addressing your guarantee that for every player that liked myos, 5 hated them. Way to be condescending for no good reason. Ah so it's fine for you to exaggerate how many people enjoyed it, but when I reverse the statement we need to be pointlessly stringent? double standards are fun. I'm not being stringent at all about your guarantee, someone else was. I simply pointed out that you took all that time to copy and paste definitions of 'subjective' and 'fact' for no good reason. It's especially funny because you made that dig at the end about explaining definitions to adults. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2563	Posted - 2015.05.09 02:19:00 - [128] - Quote Ya know, on second thought, I'm going to agree with you. I am a dumbass, it was stupid to reenter this conversation when I knew were it would lead. The discussions have been made, CCP have finalized their decision, and therefor, there's no point in continuing when the only results will be insults flung from one or multiple parties. Good day to you, sir. Tips his hat and returns to trying to acquire the final key of the day My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3030	Posted - 2015.05.09 02:23:00 - [129] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: And you continue to show that you're quite good at tossing insults around. Definitions are (also) located on wiki, even if they don't originate there, thus the statement. Care to continue, or are you simply unable to hold a civil conversation? I wasn't quoting wiki's, I was pointing out the accepted definitions of words. I'm not sure where you're going with this but it's pedantic and infantile. Crimson ShieId wrote: ~~You can throw whatever definitions you pulled off wiki around all you want~~, it's not going to change that fact that some people really enjoyed them while others, like yourself, downright hated them and seem to be making it a habit of tossing out insults towards those who disagree with your ideas that Myofibrils are/were bad for the game. I've actually tossed around relatively few insults regarding myo's, but you're entirely agreeing with my point that enjoyment of myo's is a subjective opinion. That they caused a lot of unintended gameplay however is and has been demonstrated within this thread even with plenty of sound reasoning presented! Largely the response of myo users is to plug their ears and go "LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" because evidence that contradicts their view is badwrong and doesn't exist. It's a wonder that some people might throw insults after getting frustrated when confronted with such childishness and refusal to see reason. Crimson ShieId wrote: Like many things in this game, CCP didn't test them and didn't anticipate how high people would be jumping. The results of stacking may not have been intended, but it was one of the most entertaining glitches to ever come out of this game, not to mention the fact that it helped end a lot of rooftop camping by allowing access to many areas previously only reachable by dropship. The descriptor 'entertaining' has no inherent value, what you call entertaining plenty of others call it frustrating. Myo's did little to end rooftop camping because in almost every match where I saw myo's used, it was the people using myo's to get uplinks into all of the high spots without requiring dropships. I might go so far as to even say gasp that myo's exacerbated rooftop camping: they were part of the problem, not a solution to it. Crimson ShieId wrote: Could a jumpy clone who just wouldn't seem to die be annoying? Yes. But so can a cloaked Gallente shotgun scout, so can a proto Amarr assault with a scrambler rifle and stacked damage mods, so can logi trains, and the redline snipers can sure as heck be annoying as well. Ah yes, we're on to the logical fallacy of false equivalence now. All things that are 'annoying' are in fact equal in how frustrating they are to deal with, except that isn't true at all. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3031	Posted - 2015.05.09 02:32:00 - [130] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: I'm not being stringent at all about your guarantee, someone else was. Actually, if you reread it, they weren't going on about my poignant exaggeration at all, they were just being contrary for the sake of being contrary. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1046	Posted - 2015.05.09 02:37:00 - [131] - Quote Actually, I think most of this thread is about your poignant exaggerations. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3037	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:00:00 - [132] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Actually, I think most of this thread is about your poignant exaggerations. I thought it was mostly about harvesting delicious myo tears. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2297	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:54:00 - [133] - Quote slow claps for this thread Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
DDx77 OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance 258	Posted - 2015.05.09 04:09:00 - [134] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Actually, I think most of this thread is about your poignant exaggerations. I thought it was mostly about harvesting delicious myo tears. The bottes are blue for a reason. --- Hahaha you hate myofibs so much it's hilarious Literally going above and beyond trolling by posting wiki definitions All this hate and myofibs aren't going away :D When you face a min assault that jumps but doesn't die from fall damage and then strafes you to death you're going to wish you never posted that "myofibs stacking penalty not working" thread (At least I'm pretty sure that was you) It's actually not a big deal that they're "nerfing" myos, but you have to admit they should leave it alone They are fine now and wasting any more time on them when we should be trading bpo's or using new skins is crazy
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11026	Posted - 2015.05.09 04:16:00 - [135] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: This is like all the crazy tabletop dungeons and dragons rules lawyering arguments I see people get into. Rules as written are often very different from rules as intended. God what I wouldn't give for self updating books Trying to keep track of Wizards fixes to rules is a damn nightmare, or at least it was back when I tried to keep up with it haha. You play DnD? I used to play it religiously, I haven't had the chance to play in years though. I DMd mostly, I like to keep things cruel but fair Make a Dust themed DnD one shot. Get some forum guys to play. 5E for easy pickup. I love playing DnD, just haven't had time with school this semester. I'll probably pick up a campaign over the summer. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3042	Posted - 2015.05.09 04:19:00 - [136] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: This is like all the crazy tabletop dungeons and dragons rules lawyering arguments I see people get into. Rules as written are often very different from rules as intended. God what I wouldn't give for self updating books Trying to keep track of Wizards fixes to rules is a damn nightmare, or at least it was back when I tried to keep up with it haha. You play DnD? I used to play it religiously, I haven't had the chance to play in years though. I DMd mostly, I like to keep things cruel but fair Make a Dust themed DnD one shot. Get some forum guys to play. 5E for easy pickup. I love playing DnD, just haven't had time with school this semester. I'll probably pick up a campaign over the summer. One of the 40K tabletops would work better I think. Deathwatch or something? Refluff it a bit and it should be fine. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11026	Posted - 2015.05.09 04:22:00 - [137] - Quote My thoughts on the change: Up to 3x was said to be working as intended by CCP. They let it slide for a while to see if they liked the direction it was going. They decided they didn't like it, and have patched it. Overall, I think it was well handled. 3x allows for functionality that appears reasonable. You can jump on ledges you couldn't before and over people in mid sprint if need be. 4x and 5x weren't OP, just not working as intended. Once CCP hammers out the stacking penalties, you will be able to run 4x and 5x as you want, it just won't be anywhere near as high. If you really liked the functionality of 5x Mybo's, why not see if CCP can implement a jump jet, like in Star Wars Battlefront II? (The Dark Trooper jump jet). Make it a light suit specialization, with a build in immunity to fall damage. Good for rapid vertical movement. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11026	Posted - 2015.05.09 04:23:00 - [138] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I used to play it religiously, I haven't had the chance to play in years though. I DMd mostly, I like to keep things cruel but fair Make a Dust themed DnD one shot. Get some forum guys to play. 5E for easy pickup. I love playing DnD, just haven't had time with school this semester. I'll probably pick up a campaign over the summer. One of the 40K tabletops would work better I think. Deathwatch or something? Refluff it a bit and it should be fine. Kinda what I meant. I refer to practically every d20 pen and paper by DnD, I just think of them all as different rule sets with a similar core. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3043	Posted - 2015.05.09 04:31:00 - [139] - Quote DDx77 wrote: Hahaha you hate myofibs so much it's hilarious Literally going above and beyond trolling by posting wiki definitions All this hate and myofibs aren't going away :D When you face a min assault that jumps but doesn't die from fall damage and then strafes you to death you're going to wish you never posted that "myofibs stacking penalty not working" thread (At least I'm pretty sure that was you) The days of myo superjumps are numbered. Also what wiki definitions? I used exactly one to define burden of proof. Or do you mean dictionary definitions of words so that people would stop being idiots and misusing them? Yes I made a thread about myo stacking penalty not working in the bug reports section of the forum - that's what you're supposed to do when bugs are encountered, report them so they can be fixed. DDx77 wrote: It's actually not a big deal that they're "nerfing" myos, but you have to admit they should leave it alone They are fine now and wasting any more time on them when we should be trading bpo's or using new skins is crazy I "have to admit" absolutely nothing, especially when it comes to agreeing/compromising with people on something I have no reason to agree or compromise with them over. No they should not "leave it alone", not until myo's have a properly working stacking penalty which coincidentally means no more superjumps. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3043	Posted - 2015.05.09 04:32:00 - [140] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I used to play it religiously, I haven't had the chance to play in years though. I DMd mostly, I like to keep things cruel but fair Make a Dust themed DnD one shot. Get some forum guys to play. 5E for easy pickup. I love playing DnD, just haven't had time with school this semester. I'll probably pick up a campaign over the summer. One of the 40K tabletops would work better I think. Deathwatch or something? Refluff it a bit and it should be fine. Kinda what I meant. I refer to practically every d20 pen and paper by DnD, I just think of them all as different rule sets with a similar core. The 40k games are d10 and pretty good at that. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

Matius Indectus Shadow of the Raven 6	Posted - 2015.05.09 04:54:00 - [141] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Not that type of game. Titanfall is that way ==> See what happens CCP when you let the cat out of the bag with some stupid little machanic. People act like it should be written in stone. First the cloak and now this. It's like a damn crutch. Just say NO to your combat game being turned into Super Mario Bros people. And here comes the "dust is super srs war game no fun allowed" crowd You do realize what kind of community Dust and EvE have right? The only people who aren't serious when it comes to gameplay mechanics are in fact forum trolls. The whole concept of this game is to play a large role in sovereignty in New Eden. Tell me this, if you have a few thousand dollars worth of assets at risk would you be so lax? If you can't read in between the lines, then what makes you think you can write?
DDx77 OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance 259	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:40:00 - [142] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: DDx77 wrote: Hahaha you hate myofibs so much it's hilarious Literally going above and beyond trolling by posting wiki definitions All this hate and myofibs aren't going away :D When you face a min assault that jumps but doesn't die from fall damage and then strafes you to death you're going to wish you never posted that "myofibs stacking penalty not working" thread (At least I'm pretty sure that was you) The days of myo superjumps are numbered. Also what wiki definitions? I used exactly one to define burden of proof. Or do you mean dictionary definitions of words so that people would stop being idiots and misusing them? Yes I made a thread about myo stacking penalty not working in the bug reports section of the forum - that's what you're supposed to do when bugs are encountered, report them so they can be fixed. DDx77 wrote: It's actually not a big deal that they're "nerfing" myos, but you have to admit they should leave it alone They are fine now and wasting any more time on them when we should be trading bpo's or using new skins is crazy I "have to admit" absolutely nothing, especially when it comes to agreeing/compromising with people on something I have no reason to agree or compromise with them over. No they should not "leave it alone", not until myo's have a properly working stacking penalty which coincidentally means no more superjumps. Please tell me you're not this miserable in real life Point on the doll where the "super jump myofib" touched you This is absolutely hilarious Yes Yes let's hope the skeleton crew of Devs waist more time getting the myofib stacking penalty working properly because after limiting them to 3 they are still grossly OP and ruining your OCD life & also because you know there really aren't many other actually truly important things that are broken in this game and need fixing or new content that could be released. Nope, those damn myos. They have ruined too much. MY GOD FIXXXX THEEEMMMM!!! AHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh Btw I pictured a crazed lunatic Russian woman with a very thick accent screaming at the top of her lungs and breathing fire "I HAVE TO ADMIT ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING" rrrrrraaaawwwrrrrrrrwrwrrwrrrrrrrrr
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3044	Posted - 2015.05.09 11:41:00 - [143] - Quote You're unfortunately way off about how much I 'hate' myo's. The assertion that I'm incredibly upset doesn't match up with reality, where I've been carrying out a pretty calm rational discussion with people for quite some time. Shout 'U mad tho' a few thousand more times though and maybe it'll be true. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.


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