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Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:44:00 - [1] - Quote With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3178	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:45:00 - [2] - Quote What tank you using? Plasma Cannon :3 Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:46:00 - [3] - Quote Proto Madrugars and Proto Gunnlogis. The only one with even a chance survivng vs. heavy packed LAV with REs is the Tri-Hardener Gunnlogi.
tal mrak-thanl Aethan Dor 315	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:46:00 - [4] - Quote Can't you just shoot the lav before it hits you?
Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4494	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:47:00 - [5] - Quote Takes one shot to kill the LAV; suck it up and deal with it - if you're getting killed by them consistently maybe you're just bad? Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'. And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:48:00 - [6] - Quote In many cases, yes. However, the nature of the JLAV is its sudden HUGE alpha damage at very low cost in relation to the tank. They need to remove the JLAV or lower prices on tanks.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3178	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:49:00 - [7] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: In many cases, yes. However, the nature of the JLAV is its sudden HUGE alpha damage at very low cost in relation to the tank. They need to remove the JLAV or lower prices on tanks. Then they need to remove : Core Locus Grenades Remote Explosives Plasma Cannon Forge Gun Or, ya know, lower the price of all drop suits and gear. Plasma Cannon :3 Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:49:00 - [8] - Quote Problem is, they can lose around 15 LAVs before it even approaches the cost of my tank. Its not a 'bad' thing. Its a OHKO on a 1.4 million tank with over 40 million sp into it. It is solid v. tanks and infantry. This OHKO option should be fixed, or lower costs across the board on tanks.
tal mrak-thanl Aethan Dor 315	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:49:00 - [9] - Quote Well, if a problem can be fixed by shooting at it, I'm not sure it's a problem at all. But I agree that vehicles are too expensive.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:50:00 - [10] - Quote Cost of Dropsuits and Tanks are quite different. NO dropsuit costs 1.4 million ISK. That is around 6-7 games worth of isk!

Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:51:00 - [11] - Quote Unless you have someone watching overhead 24/7, most LAVs hit you in the rear when you engage. Gunnlogi can maneuver for a CHANCE at survival, but Madrugars are very slow in acceleration if you don't have fuel injector off cooldown, and even with injector, its easy for an LAV to slam into the side.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17905	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:53:00 - [12] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Can't you just shoot the lav before it hits you? I have to give it to you that its much easier to do so now. Not like last builds JLAV. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:53:00 - [13] - Quote I don't enjoy hanging back in the redline, but when a noted JLAV operator MCLOVIN is on the other side, he will do it non-stop and come ahead ISK-wise. I'll have to stay back or risk 1.4 million vs a 20,000 isk + LAV with bombs on it.
poopy pantzs Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:53:00 - [14] - Quote No Way! That's my time to shine baby!
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:54:00 - [15] - Quote Thing is, the extra nerf on LAV makes it EASIER to explode on tank.
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 128	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:54:00 - [16] - Quote "One Does Not Simply" stop using proto tanks in public matchs ? JLAV are the best friend for blueberries like me :) -- LKC -- Tomate Pote --
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 676	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:54:00 - [17] - Quote JLAV's, Shotguns, and frisbee remotes. Got to have an easy mode for dust man. The new C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Zepod Titans of Phoenix 141	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:57:00 - [18] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: What tank you using? Doesn't matter; terrible tanker will be terrible regardless of variant. JLAVs can easily be killed by hitting the explosives mounted to the front of the LAV, and with how easy it is to detect LAVs the difficulty in doing so is trivial. You may not like what I said, but it's true. It might anger or offend you, but it's still true.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3178	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:57:00 - [19] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Unless you have someone watching overhead 24/7, most LAVs hit you in the rear when you engage. Gunnlogi can maneuver for a CHANCE at survival, but Madrugars are very slow in acceleration if you don't have fuel injector off cooldown, and even with injector, its easy for an LAV to slam into the side. Or you could listen in. They literally scream. Its not hard to tell if someone's planning something. I'll walk you through a thought process I use: 1. Hear RDV: check your redline and check the enemy's. If it is enemy, see what it is. Tank, go engage. Drop ship, engage if possible. LAV, go to step 2 2. If you hear it start up immediately or in short time, its not an immediate threat, albeit free WP. If you don't hear it start up, go to step three 3. Keep on the lookout, its probably a jihad if it is taking a while. Make sure you are in a position to destroy it if it approaches. It takes a while to set it up, and a smart, thinking and aware tanker will see it coming before its in their sights. Plasma Cannon :3 Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
RolyatDerTeufel NOMAD. 1824	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:04:00 - [20] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. WHERE"S YOUR SENSE OF SANDBOX (shift held needed) Twitch.TV Live Stream YouTube Channel

Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4499	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:06:00 - [21] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Unless you have someone watching overhead 24/7, most LAVs hit you in the rear when you engage. Gunnlogi can maneuver for a CHANCE at survival, but Madrugars are very slow in acceleration if you don't have fuel injector off cooldown, and even with injector, its easy for an LAV to slam into the side. If you're paying attention to RDVs and LAVs then no, this won't happen. If you get killed by a JLAV it's because you're stationary farming infantry. Don't. My 'like' button is broken!! The forums removed my ability to appreciate my fellow man.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:07:00 - [22] - Quote I detect them. I have people that watch them. In rail tank with three rails, they are still tough to track. Blasters have an easier time hitting them, but many can still clip the tank, blowing it up. Its too cheap. Too effective.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:09:00 - [23] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Unless you have someone watching overhead 24/7, most LAVs hit you in the rear when you engage. Gunnlogi can maneuver for a CHANCE at survival, but Madrugars are very slow in acceleration if you don't have fuel injector off cooldown, and even with injector, its easy for an LAV to slam into the side. If you're paying attention to RDVs and LAVs then no, this won't happen. If you get killed by a JLAV it's because you're stationary farming infantry. Don't. I roam all about the field. I don't 'farm'. JLAV still OP. Gunnlogi's have a chance to survive, a high one, with tri-hardeners, but the Maddy is killed near every time it impacts. I don't get killed all the time by them but just enough to make it a problem.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:12:00 - [24] - Quote I am aware of the time of LAV. If it runs immediately, its usually safe. If it chills, its dangerous. I know about defense. But being relegated to defense 100 percent of game due to OP game mechanic? Just no.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3180	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:16:00 - [25] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: I am aware of the time of LAV. If it runs immediately, its usually safe. If it chills, its dangerous. I know about defense. But being relegated to defense 100 percent of game due to OP game mechanic? Just no. That's BS... It takes forever to set one up, in one game you can at most have 3 or 4 attempts, maybe 1 more depending on how the match is going. I also find it hard to believe that three gunners can't hit one LAV... Maybe you're just bad? Switch a small rail for a blaster, the RoF will make hitting a remote easy least. Plasma Cannon :3 Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Medical Crash RED 0MEN. Ashtar Federation 383	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:18:00 - [26] - Quote The tanker QQ is strong here. Stop your complaining and get some skill. They are LOUD, if you can't hear it you must be hard of hearing. Get gud or go home skrubs. My YouTube Channel
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17905	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:18:00 - [27] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Unless you have someone watching overhead 24/7, most LAVs hit you in the rear when you engage. Gunnlogi can maneuver for a CHANCE at survival, but Madrugars are very slow in acceleration if you don't have fuel injector off cooldown, and even with injector, its easy for an LAV to slam into the side. If you're paying attention to RDVs and LAVs then no, this won't happen. If you get killed by a JLAV it's because you're stationary farming infantry. Don't. I roam all about the field. I don't 'farm'. JLAV still OP. Gunnlogi's have a chance to survive, a high one, with tri-hardeners, but the Maddy is killed near every time it impacts. I don't get killed all the time by them but just enough to make it a problem. What are you doing in a tank if not farming. All Infantry players are is are points in fleshy meat suits solely concieved for us transcendent beings to cull in the name of the Outer Gods. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:21:00 - [28] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: I am aware of the time of LAV. If it runs immediately, its usually safe. If it chills, its dangerous. I know about defense. But being relegated to defense 100 percent of game due to OP game mechanic? Just no. That's BS... It takes forever to set one up, in one game you can at most have 3 or 4 attempts, maybe 1 more depending on how the match is going. I also find it hard to believe that three gunners can't hit one LAV... Maybe you're just bad? Switch a small rail for a blaster, the RoF will make hitting a remote easy least. Guess you never ran into Mclovin' I take it?
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8974	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:22:00 - [29] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Cost of Dropsuits and Tanks are quite different. NO dropsuit costs 1.4 million ISK. That is around 6-7 games worth of isk! So the cheapest tanks cost 1.4 million? If not, I suggest you run a cheaper tank. It seems we are again at a point where only tanks can counter other tanks, and I can't say I am going to care much about the efficacy of JJs until AV can do something other than take out LAVs and DS. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:24:00 - [30] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: The tanker QQ is strong here. Stop your complaining and get some skill. They are LOUD, if you can't hear it you must be hard of hearing. Get gud or go home skrubs. Says someone who knows nothing of upper tier tanking.

Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:25:00 - [31] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Cost of Dropsuits and Tanks are quite different. NO dropsuit costs 1.4 million ISK. That is around 6-7 games worth of isk! So the cheapest tanks cost 1.4 million? If not, I suggest you run a cheaper tank. It seems we are again at a point where only tanks can counter other tanks, and I can't say I am going to care much about the efficacy of JJs until AV can do something other than take out LAVs and DS. Plasma plus AV nades vs Gunnlogis are good. Forge gun with Swarm Launcher support vs Madrugars are good. Use teamwork vs proto tanks. Profit. JLAVS too op
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17906	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:26:00 - [32] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: I am aware of the time of LAV. If it runs immediately, its usually safe. If it chills, its dangerous. I know about defense. But being relegated to defense 100 percent of game due to OP game mechanic? Just no. That's BS... It takes forever to set one up, in one game you can at most have 3 or 4 attempts, maybe 1 more depending on how the match is going. I also find it hard to believe that three gunners can't hit one LAV... Maybe you're just bad? Switch a small rail for a blaster, the RoF will make hitting a remote easy least. I take it McLovin' has never run into you? FTFY GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:29:00 - [33] - Quote I don't mind losing tanks to good solid, AV'rs, either in groups or epic solo, as in the case of the guy in one match who could with near unerring accuracy jump on the top of my tank, unload all his AVs then shoot is plasma because that took effort. But a JLAV OHKO as you are engaging the point? Not good imho, needs to be removed.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8975	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:36:00 - [34] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Cost of Dropsuits and Tanks are quite different. NO dropsuit costs 1.4 million ISK. That is around 6-7 games worth of isk! So the cheapest tanks cost 1.4 million? If not, I suggest you run a cheaper tank. It seems we are again at a point where only tanks can counter other tanks, and I can't say I am going to care much about the efficacy of JJs until AV can do something other than take out LAVs and DS. Plasma plus AV nades vs Gunnlogis are good. Forge gun with Swarm Launcher support vs Madrugars are good. Use teamwork vs proto tanks. Profit. JLAVS too op Oh, so we have to use multiple people to counter just 1 tank, and hope that they don't have hardeners on and kill us all before we can even make a dent. I am sure a team can afford to commit all those resources. Sounds balanced... Do people even use Gunnlogis? I was under the impression they were inferior and not used. It seems to me that we are currently going through 1.7 all over again minus the super HAV speed. If I see your name on screen, I will know what I need to pull out. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
knight guard fury Carbon 7 1588	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:41:00 - [35] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: In many cases, yes. However, the nature of the JLAV is its sudden HUGE alpha damage at very low cost in relation to the tank. They need to remove the JLAV or lower prices on tanks. You make it sounds like this so called "JLAV" is an entirely different vehicle of its own=ƒÿé=ƒÿé Warrior of the tribal republic Serious matari loyalist and RP'er All mental thoughts are of my own Winmatar
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:56:00 - [36] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: In many cases, yes. However, the nature of the JLAV is its sudden HUGE alpha damage at very low cost in relation to the tank. They need to remove the JLAV or lower prices on tanks. You make it sounds like this so called "JLAV" is an entirely different vehicle of its own=ƒÿé=ƒÿé It is an entirely different role for the vehicle. It is transport and harassment. JLAV is essentially an OP AV missile.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:01:00 - [37] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Cost of Dropsuits and Tanks are quite different. NO dropsuit costs 1.4 million ISK. That is around 6-7 games worth of isk! So the cheapest tanks cost 1.4 million? If not, I suggest you run a cheaper tank. It seems we are again at a point where only tanks can counter other tanks, and I can't say I am going to care much about the efficacy of JJs until AV can do something other than take out LAVs and DS. Plasma plus AV nades vs Gunnlogis are good. Forge gun with Swarm Launcher support vs Madrugars are good. Use teamwork vs proto tanks. Profit. JLAVS too op Oh, so we have to use multiple people to counter just 1 tank, and hope that they don't have hardeners on and kill us all before we can even make a dent. I am sure a team can afford to commit all those resources. Sounds balanced... Do people even use Gunnlogis? I was under the impression they were inferior and not used. It seems to me that we are currently going through 1.7 all over again minus the super HAV speed. If I see your name on screen, I will know what I need to pull out. Gunnlogi's are superior as team-platform tanks and are only perceived as inferior by those who Lone Wolf. But team Gunnlogi is quite useful in many instances, though I used Maddy for blaster role since it excels in that regard. Anyways, Plasma Cannon+AV nades will do the trick v. Gunnlogi, and for Madrugars, it matters the build, but I find Proto Assault Forges are the way to go for most builds. Popular at the moment are low hp, double hardener, double repper, or even tri-repper, hardener, so slower AV has a difficulty. I almost always run team platforms. By your logic, will you need to have always 3 AV to take me out, since you are obviously thinking 1 AV = Easymode kill on tank?
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8978	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:07:00 - [38] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Gunnlogi's are superior as team-platform tanks and are only perceived as inferior by those who Lone Wolf. But team Gunnlogi is quite useful in many instances, though I used Maddy for blaster role since it excels in that regard. Anyways, Plasma Cannon+AV nades will do the trick v. Gunnlogi, and for Madrugars, it matters the build, but I find Proto Assault Forges are the way to go for most builds. Popular at the moment are low hp, double hardener, double repper, or even tri-repper, hardener, so slower AV has a difficulty. I almost always run team platforms. By your logic, will you need to have always 3 AV to take me out, since you are obviously thinking 1 AV = Easymode kill on tank? This all makes sense now. I took out my proto swarms the other day, and they were completely useless against HAV. They took, at max 10% of the tank's HP. HAV have to LET AV kill them now. I don't want to have it easy, but I do want a legitimate chance to at least force an HAV from an area, which I can no longer even begin to be able to do. Now, they just turn on hardeners, have all the time in the world to drive around to whatever angle suits them best, and shoot me down without any real effort or skill. Even PLCs and AV nades don't have a chance unless someone happens to be lazy or completely incompetent. The "wave of opportunity" has become invincibility, unless you commit half your team to fight one tanker, or have a tank yourself. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
The Infected One Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1507	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:08:00 - [39] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. Any JLAV that speeds that far in to the redline to kill the tank your camping in (you call that pushing a point) deserves to get the kill because it was a one way trip either way. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? --. . - + ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -..
Lavallois Nash Federal Transfers and Trades 553	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:11:00 - [40] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Why is that right? Lol! Someone from Molon Labe talking about ethics, and fairness, and how they feel someone has ruined a Public Match for them. if this is April fools, i fell for it good!

Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:19:00 - [41] - Quote Lavallois Nash wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Why is that right? Lol! Someone from Molon Labe talking about ethics, and fairness, and how they feel someone has ruined a Public Match for them. if this is April fools, i fell for it good! I don't represent Molon Labe and in no way condone any past actions they may have committed. I am just here to play with friends who happen to be in the corp.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:20:00 - [42] - Quote The Infected One wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. Any JLAV that speeds that far in to the redline to kill the tank your camping in (you call that pushing a point) deserves to get the kill because it was a one way trip either way. I don't 'camp the redline', troll harder. Ask any of my teammates that I roll with.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet General Tso's Alliance 204	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:23:00 - [43] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: The tanker QQ is strong here. Stop your complaining and get some skill. They are LOUD, if you can't hear it you must be hard of hearing. Get gud or go home skrubs. Ouch!
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:24:00 - [44] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Gunnlogi's are superior as team-platform tanks and are only perceived as inferior by those who Lone Wolf. But team Gunnlogi is quite useful in many instances, though I used Maddy for blaster role since it excels in that regard. Anyways, Plasma Cannon+AV nades will do the trick v. Gunnlogi, and for Madrugars, it matters the build, but I find Proto Assault Forges are the way to go for most builds. Popular at the moment are low hp, double hardener, double repper, or even tri-repper, hardener, so slower AV has a difficulty. I almost always run team platforms. By your logic, will you need to have always 3 AV to take me out, since you are obviously thinking 1 AV = Easymode kill on tank? This all makes sense now. I took out my proto swarms the other day, and they were completely useless against HAV. They took, at max 10% of the tank's HP. HAV have to LET AV kill them now. I don't want to have it easy, but I do want a legitimate chance to at least force an HAV from an area, which I can no longer even begin to be able to do. Now, they just turn on hardeners, have all the time in the world to drive around to whatever angle suits them best, and shoot me down without any real effort or skill. Even PLCs and AV nades don't have a chance unless someone happens to be lazy or completely incompetent. The "wave of opportunity" has become invincibility, unless you commit half your team to fight one tanker, or have a tank yourself. Have to consider the amount of SP the tanker put in to be able to fit that tank. Need to look at your builds and what you are doing wrong. Use teamwork and you will down a well-fit tank, as it should be. If tanks are to be ez-mode to kill, drop the price on them accordingly.
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 491	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:26:00 - [45] - Quote It's a valid tactic, it just doesn't fit the risk reward balance, because one hit killing a million isk tank for zero isk shouldn't be a thing But I hear you say, what about that APEX scout shotgunning a proto suit Well, the victim wasn't visible on the overhead map how'd they get that close to the victim? Uplinks? Victim's fault for not clearing them (parallel with vehicles/installations) If victim has not been double tapped they can still be revived and lose nothing Generally not a OHK ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:28:00 - [46] - Quote Situations where I take cover in the back: Multiple Tankers working as a team. Rushing headlong even with the most solid of fits would result in my death. Sure, I'd kill 1-2, but the remaining hav's will sweep me up. So I fall back, think the situation over, flank and spank, win. Multiple Power AV working together. Mostly 1-UP and company do this. They run AV-kill squad. Hard to push the point when hit by multi-strong AV. Cover helps me survive and maybe I can cost them a few suits while they do it. Known JLAV on the field. Like Mclovin and company. Bringing out a tank and engaging midfield with JLAVer is recipe for a JLAV to ram up your ass. I engage them on MY terms. Never let the enemy engage you on theirs.
Yeeeuuuupppp 985	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:37:00 - [47] - Quote Pay attention. Viable tactic. Working as intended. Allah Akbar *Sheeba Sheeba* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
Sned TheDead Failures inc. 220	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:44:00 - [48] - Quote So, I thought for a while before responding to this thread. Being someone who used to jihaad on a regular basis, I may be a little bias here, but even before Echo, Jihaad Jeeps were incredibly easy to kill. the only reason you did not kill one was because, well frankly you were dumb enough to not keep an eye on your surroundings. yess this way is cost effective,and works for about one mill sp, but it is also very difficult to get good at. it takes a fair few hours to get your first decent tanker, and the same tactics never work twice. You are wrong to say that it should be removed. It may do astronomical damage, but so do your tanks. coupled with the fact your tank helps your K/d'r, jihaading RUINS it. look at mine, I'm sitting at around 0.37 and thats up since I started. My advice to you: don't cry on the forums, it doesn't help anyone; file a support ticket if you want to, but for the sake of pete go cry elsewhere, otherwise you are just asking for trolls to come out from under their bridges. o7. Sned T. Dead. oh yeah one more thing, check the teams before spawning in, if you see a well known jihaader: DON'T USE A BLOODY TANK! We will remember.... We will always remember....
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:45:00 - [49] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Pay attention. Viable tactic. Working as intended. Allah Akbar Definitely not a valid tactic on the ISK ratio of your vehicles cost + suit vs tank and crew. I pay plenty of attention. Its how I faceroll most other tankers.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:47:00 - [50] - Quote Sned TheDead wrote: So, I thought for a while before responding to this thread. Being someone who used to jihaad on a regular basis, I may be a little bias here, but even before Echo, Jihaad Jeeps were incredibly easy to kill. the only reason you did not kill one was because, well frankly you were dumb enough to not keep an eye on your surroundings. yess this way is cost effective,and works for about one mill sp, but it is also very difficult to get good at. it takes a fair few hours to get your first decent tanker, and the same tactics never work twice. You are wrong to say that it should be removed. It may do astronomical damage, but so do your tanks. coupled with the fact your tank helps your K/d'r, jihaading RUINS it. look at mine, I'm sitting at around 0.37 and thats up since I started. My advice to you: don't cry on the forums, it doesn't help anyone; file a support ticket if you want to, but for the sake of pete go cry elsewhere, otherwise you are just asking for trolls to come out from under their bridges. o7. Sned T. Dead. oh yeah one more thing, check the teams before spawning in, if you see a well known jihaader: DON'T USE A BLOODY TANK! I pay attention to my surroundings and have killed many a jihad jeeper. The problem is he can do it pretty much throughout the match and still not come out as bad as the tanker if he loses just one. Not crying, but putting it as a valid issue. Take your ad hominem attack somewhere else.

Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:49:00 - [51] - Quote If you want to keep the OP broken Jihad mechanic, drop the cost on tanks across the board and it should be fine. I use teamwork to survive and excel. You should have to do the same.
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4416	Posted - 2015.04.01 02:51:00 - [52] - Quote I"m with this thread 100% I don't rage,I get even Close beta Pro heavy
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17915	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:00:00 - [53] - Quote Sned TheDead wrote: If you see a well known jihaader: DON'T USE A BLOODY TANK! Batman shows us we don't have to be afraid of scum like you! GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4416	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:06:00 - [54] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sned TheDead wrote: If you see a well known jihaader: DON'T USE A BLOODY TANK! Batman shows us we don't have to be afraid of scum like you! I'm Batman I don't rage,I get even Close beta Pro heavy
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 409	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:10:00 - [55] - Quote Well -- bring out a tank and you'll know me well enough. B-)
CHET CHEWS Titans of Phoenix 62	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:13:00 - [56] - Quote You know whats cheap?? Staying inthe redline with a railgun tank and b*tching about jlav-¦s when its the only thing you can do to kill people like you sooooo yea DEAL WITH IT "FU CHET CHEWS"- Sumar load 2014-2015
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 409	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:15:00 - [57] - Quote CHET CHEWS wrote: You know whats cheap?? Staying inthe redline with a railgun tank and b*tching about jlav-¦s when its the only thing you can do to kill people like you sooooo yea DEAL WITH IT Again, I don't stay in the redline. I roam about the map and attack strategically. People keep throwing this redline nonsense when they cannot get me after I stomp their faces.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 409	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:17:00 - [58] - Quote CHET CHEWS wrote: You know whats cheap?? Staying inthe redline with a railgun tank and b*tching about jlav-¦s when its the only thing you can do to kill people like you sooooo yea DEAL WITH IT Want to know when I take cover in the back? Read higher up in this post. Mostly it is ONLY when there is overwhelming AV or tanks on the field and I must be strategic.
CHET CHEWS Titans of Phoenix 62	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:18:00 - [59] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: CHET CHEWS wrote: You know whats cheap?? Staying inthe redline with a railgun tank and b*tching about jlav-¦s when its the only thing you can do to kill people like you sooooo yea DEAL WITH IT Again, I don't stay in the redline. I roam about the map and attack strategically. People keep throwing this redline nonsense when they cannot get me after I stomp their faces. DDont give this bullsh!t out when everyone knows your just a redline tanker PS:If you stay in the redline 90 percent of the game then you ARE a redline tanker, sorry to have to break it down to you "FU CHET CHEWS"- Sumar load 2014-2015
CHET CHEWS Titans of Phoenix 62	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:19:00 - [60] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: CHET CHEWS wrote: You know whats cheap?? Staying inthe redline with a railgun tank and b*tching about jlav-¦s when its the only thing you can do to kill people like you sooooo yea DEAL WITH IT Want to know when I take cover in the back? Read higher up in this post. Mostly it is ONLY when there is overwhelming AV or tanks on the field and I must be strategic. Really one mother fudging av guy in a militia suit to much for your proto tank? Awwwwwwww i feel bad 4 u "FU CHET CHEWS"- Sumar load 2014-2015

Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 514	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:24:00 - [61] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMY!!!! JLAVs are here to stay and if you try to nerf me, know this, I will put a jihad on you. Long live the remote. Universal in it's prowess and feared by all the K/D whoring poop-tankers.
CHET CHEWS Titans of Phoenix 62	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:27:00 - [62] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMY!!!! JLAVs are here to stay and if you try to nerf me, know this, I will put a jihad on you. Long live the remote. Universal in it's prowess and feared by all the K/D whoring poop-tankers. All Hail JLAV-¦S!!! "FU CHET CHEWS"- Sumar load 2014-2015
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 409	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:37:00 - [63] - Quote CHET CHEWS wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: CHET CHEWS wrote: You know whats cheap?? Staying inthe redline with a railgun tank and b*tching about jlav-¦s when its the only thing you can do to kill people like you sooooo yea DEAL WITH IT Want to know when I take cover in the back? Read higher up in this post. Mostly it is ONLY when there is overwhelming AV or tanks on the field and I must be strategic. Really one mother fudging av guy in a militia suit to much for your proto tank? Awwwwwwww i feel bad 4 u I laugh at one militia av. But when there are 4 or more? Then I take cover and pick them off. Tactics. I don't mind RE's being used thrown on a tank that isn't paying attention. Its the 12+ RE's on an LAV all bursting at once, often out of nowhere. Its broken and OP.
CHET CHEWS Titans of Phoenix 64	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:38:00 - [64] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: CHET CHEWS wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: CHET CHEWS wrote: You know whats cheap?? Staying inthe redline with a railgun tank and b*tching about jlav-¦s when its the only thing you can do to kill people like you sooooo yea DEAL WITH IT Want to know when I take cover in the back? Read higher up in this post. Mostly it is ONLY when there is overwhelming AV or tanks on the field and I must be strategic. Really one mother fudging av guy in a militia suit to much for your proto tank? Awwwwwwww i feel bad 4 u I laugh at one militia av. But when there are 4 or more? Then I take cover and pick them off. Tactics. I don't mind RE's being used thrown on a tank that isn't paying attention. Its the 12+ RE's on an LAV all bursting at once, often out of nowhere. Its broken and OP. Sure bro whatever helps you sleep at night "FU CHET CHEWS"- Sumar load 2014-2015
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 411	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:43:00 - [65] - Quote CHET CHEWS wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: CHET CHEWS wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: CHET CHEWS wrote: You know whats cheap?? Staying inthe redline with a railgun tank and b*tching about jlav-¦s when its the only thing you can do to kill people like you sooooo yea DEAL WITH IT Want to know when I take cover in the back? Read higher up in this post. Mostly it is ONLY when there is overwhelming AV or tanks on the field and I must be strategic. Really one mother fudging av guy in a militia suit to much for your proto tank? Awwwwwwww i feel bad 4 u I laugh at one militia av. But when there are 4 or more? Then I take cover and pick them off. Tactics. I don't mind RE's being used thrown on a tank that isn't paying attention. Its the 12+ RE's on an LAV all bursting at once, often out of nowhere. Its broken and OP. Sure bro whatever helps you sleep at night Bring a militia av next time you see me, by yourself, and see how well that goes. ;)
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 515	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:50:00 - [66] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: I don't mind RE's being used thrown on a tank that isn't paying attention. Its the 12+ RE's on an LAV all bursting at once, often out of nowhere. Its broken and OP. First off. It isn't out of "nowhere". We drive up to you from far away and you have plenty of time to pick us off as we approach. Second, it is only 7 REs, not 12. Third, infantry shooting us as we drive around kills us just as fast as a tank shooting us, and they see us lot's more than you realize. Finally, if you get blown up by jihad, you deserve it. There are many tankers that I have tried and tried and tried to kill jihadi-style. They popped me everytime. They are good tankers though, so you might just not be in their league.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 429	Posted - 2015.04.01 04:06:00 - [67] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: I don't mind RE's being used thrown on a tank that isn't paying attention. Its the 12+ RE's on an LAV all bursting at once, often out of nowhere. Its broken and OP. First off. It isn't out of "nowhere". We drive up to you from far away and you have plenty of time to pick us off as we approach. Second, it is only 7 REs, not 12. Third, infantry shooting us as we drive around kills us just as fast as a tank shooting us, and they see us lot's more than you realize. Finally, if you get blown up by jihad, you deserve it. There are many tankers that I have tried and tried and tried to kill jihadi-style. They popped me everytime. They are good tankers though, so you might just not be in their league. Nah, I pop every other tank out there. I've popped LAVs too. Its the ISK nature of it. I have to be lucky every time versus the LAV. He only needs to get lucky once. I am not saying I cannot kill them. I do. Its their cost and effectiveness when they get to you which is out of this world.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 429	Posted - 2015.04.01 04:07:00 - [68] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: I don't mind RE's being used thrown on a tank that isn't paying attention. Its the 12+ RE's on an LAV all bursting at once, often out of nowhere. Its broken and OP. First off. It isn't out of "nowhere". We drive up to you from far away and you have plenty of time to pick us off as we approach. Second, it is only 7 REs, not 12. Third, infantry shooting us as we drive around kills us just as fast as a tank shooting us, and they see us lot's more than you realize. Finally, if you get blown up by jihad, you deserve it. There are many tankers that I have tried and tried and tried to kill jihadi-style. They popped me everytime. They are good tankers though, so you might just not be in their league. If you aren't getting 12+ on an LAV, you aren't doing it right.
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 494	Posted - 2015.04.01 04:08:00 - [69] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: I don't mind RE's being used thrown on a tank that isn't paying attention. Its the 12+ RE's on an LAV all bursting at once, often out of nowhere. Its broken and OP. First off. It isn't out of "nowhere". We drive up to you from far away and you have plenty of time to pick us off as we approach. Second, it is only 7 REs, not 12. Third, infantry shooting us as we drive around kills us just as fast as a tank shooting us, and they see us lot's more than you realize. Finally, if you get blown up by jihad, you deserve it. There are many tankers that I have tried and tried and tried to kill jihadi-style. They popped me everytime. They are good tankers though, so you might just not be in their league. Sounds like you're not a very good jihadist ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 515	Posted - 2015.04.01 04:17:00 - [70] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: I don't mind RE's being used thrown on a tank that isn't paying attention. Its the 12+ RE's on an LAV all bursting at once, often out of nowhere. Its broken and OP. First off. It isn't out of "nowhere". We drive up to you from far away and you have plenty of time to pick us off as we approach. Second, it is only 7 REs, not 12. Third, infantry shooting us as we drive around kills us just as fast as a tank shooting us, and they see us lot's more than you realize. Finally, if you get blown up by jihad, you deserve it. There are many tankers that I have tried and tried and tried to kill jihadi-style. They popped me everytime. They are good tankers though, so you might just not be in their league. Sounds like you're not a very good jihadist You say that now, but know this, I make it rain tears in my JLAV.

Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 429	Posted - 2015.04.01 07:10:00 - [71] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: I don't mind RE's being used thrown on a tank that isn't paying attention. Its the 12+ RE's on an LAV all bursting at once, often out of nowhere. Its broken and OP. First off. It isn't out of "nowhere". We drive up to you from far away and you have plenty of time to pick us off as we approach. Second, it is only 7 REs, not 12. Third, infantry shooting us as we drive around kills us just as fast as a tank shooting us, and they see us lot's more than you realize. Finally, if you get blown up by jihad, you deserve it. There are many tankers that I have tried and tried and tried to kill jihadi-style. They popped me everytime. They are good tankers though, so you might just not be in their league. Sounds like you're not a very good jihadist You say that now, but know this, I make it rain tears in my JLAV. Its no skill. You can fail a **** ton ALL match, and still not break the bank. That is the problem with. It isn't the fact that you get me. I don't want to be invincible. But I detest OHKOs on High-End vehicles. Used to be forge guns could OHKO drop ships back in the day. They fixed that.
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2906	Posted - 2015.04.01 07:11:00 - [72] - Quote Honestly, with the new changes to LAVs, jihads are quite easy to defeat. You might try getting a gunner, they make short work of almost all LAVs. Therefore, never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 430	Posted - 2015.04.01 07:30:00 - [73] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Honestly, with the new changes to LAVs, jihads are quite easy to defeat. You might try getting a gunner, they make short work of almost all LAVs. But that squishiness is the double-edged blade of the jeep. It used to be that the older LAVs would BOUNCE off of you if they didn't hit you hard enough, but with the paper thin tank of the current LAVs, they nearly ALWAYS explode on light contact. Its ridiculous. I use gunners all the time. We pop many, But most JLAVers will continue throughout a match, ruining an ability for a tank to be able to push normally at extremely cheap cost.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1459	Posted - 2015.04.01 07:37:00 - [74] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. Good to see you posting on this Mary. Although, I seriously doubt it will matter. Balanced game play has never been something Dust was noted for, much less aspires to. Dust forums are swamped with QQ infantry that want nothing more than to OHK anyone that isn't them. Much less vehicles. In fact, I would bet they think they should be able to drive their JLAV into dropships as well. On the payback can be fun front, I rammed two LAVs today. One parked and one on the move. They all died, including their pathetic little remote explosives. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1204	Posted - 2015.04.01 08:14:00 - [75] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Cost of Dropsuits and Tanks are quite different. NO dropsuit costs 1.4 million ISK. That is around 6-7 games worth of isk! So the cheapest tanks cost 1.4 million? If not, I suggest you run a cheaper tank. It seems we are again at a point where only tanks can counter other tanks, and I can't say I am going to care much about the efficacy of JJs until AV can do something other than take out LAVs and DS. So you're telling us your Militia swarm with only 1 skill level researched doesn't do any damage anymore? GASP?! Andthat you have to train up your skills to Proto do deal damage against a Proto tank? DOUBLE GASP! What is this world coming to, where Investment into weapons is needed to counter Investment into weapons! TRIPLE GASP! sigh You could just say "I don't try" in large bold caps above your head kiddo. It only takes about a week to max out a Swarm or Forge gun, plus about another to get around halfway into a decent suit to complement said gun. If tanks were really the problem you claimed, then you would have gotten those skills. Sitting around with Militia AV and exclaiming it doesn't kill the tanks is just pitiful man. I can forge them down relatively well with my Militia setups, or heard them out of an area with my Militia Swarms. If you have problems with the improved variants, where I often end up nearly killing my targets... then YOU have got some practicing to do. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4512	Posted - 2015.04.01 08:54:00 - [76] - Quote Haven't been killed by a JLAV for months (admittedly I've not played these last two weeks, been grinding creds in Elite Dangerous) but even so; in a few games I've had to deal with multiple JLAVs (one match had three different JLAVers at different times, as well as a forge gunner and a tank; it was a fun match) and never has it been a problem. If you're having issues it means your priorities are wrong. AV is usually first target, of course, but should I see a LAV, I will move heaven and earth to make it dead. And it dies. If you're using a blaster, well, it takes like ten shots to kill one, and even fewer if you happen to hit the bombs. Maybe your squad should start paying attention to JLAVs with you, and give you a hand when it's necessary? I mean, it seems reasonable that if you've got four guys trying to take you out that one of your mates steps in to help you out? My 'like' button is broken!! The forums removed my ability to appreciate my fellow man.
Yeeeuuuupppp 986	Posted - 2015.04.01 10:39:00 - [77] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Pay attention. Viable tactic. Working as intended. Allah Akbar Definitely not a valid tactic on the ISK ratio of your vehicles cost + suit vs tank and crew. I pay plenty of attention. Its how I faceroll most other tankers. But, do you play in a squad that will call out the jihad? Do you use a scanner and see the fuckton of remotes moving towards you? They made people have to get creative with jihad jeeps since the bandwidth change. This may be a tad bias but something has to kill those invincible madrugars, no? *Sheeba Sheeba* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4436	Posted - 2015.04.01 10:49:00 - [78] - Quote Won't happen A 10k ISK JLAV destroying a 1.2mil HAV with 40mil SP put into it is completely fair but if that 1.2mil HAV destroys infantry with 2 gunners then it is OP and must be nerfed. AV cry about 1 player to 1 player but if i need a second player to consistantly watch the map for a JLAV then that is 2 players and again breaks the ratio that AV consistantly preaches. JLAV takes no skill, SP or ISK to do it and the rewards are great but scrubs be scrubs. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 464	Posted - 2015.04.01 11:03:00 - [79] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. LAV go boom ,had half its hp removed and has Res that you as a tanker can detonate.And your teams small arms fire can detonate the Res .I don't see a problem.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 464	Posted - 2015.04.01 11:04:00 - [80] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Won't happen A 10k ISK JLAV destroying a 1.2mil HAV with 40mil SP put into it is completely fair but if that 1.2mil HAV destroys infantry with 2 gunners then it is OP and must be nerfed. AV cry about 1 player to 1 player but if i need a second player to consistantly watch the map for a JLAV then that is 2 players and again breaks the ratio that AV consistantly preaches. JLAV takes no skill, SP or ISK to do it and the rewards are great but scrubs be scrubs. So Remotes are a problem in the game don't let the scout community hear that.

Yeeeuuuupppp 986	Posted - 2015.04.01 11:15:00 - [81] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Won't happen A 10k ISK JLAV destroying a 1.2mil HAV with 40mil SP put into it is completely fair but if that 1.2mil HAV destroys infantry with 2 gunners then it is OP and must be nerfed. AV cry about 1 player to 1 player but if i need a second player to consistantly watch the map for a JLAV then that is 2 players and again breaks the ratio that AV consistantly preaches. JLAV takes no skill, SP or ISK to do it and the rewards are great but scrubs be scrubs. If they didn't want jlav to be a tactic they wouldn't have made remotes stick. Valid tactic. Working as intended. Rip tankers wallets *Sheeba Sheeba* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
dust 514 shadow Eternal Beings 6	Posted - 2015.04.01 11:28:00 - [82] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Problem is, they can lose around 15 LAVs before it even approaches the cost of my tank. Its not a 'bad' thing. Its a OHKO on a 1.4 million tank with over 40 million sp into it. It is solid v. tanks and infantry. This OHKO option should be fixed, or lower costs across the board on tanks. Then use cheaper tanks and shoot the lavs before they hit you. I am assuming you can use a rail gun and you have to have some lvl of awareness when tanking so.......
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 494	Posted - 2015.04.01 11:28:00 - [83] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. LAV go boom ,had half its hp removed and has Res that you as a tanker can detonate.And your teams small arms fire can detonate the Res .I don't see a problem. You'll notice most of the complaints are directed at the cost ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Yeeeuuuupppp 986	Posted - 2015.04.01 11:38:00 - [84] - Quote dust 514 shadow wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Problem is, they can lose around 15 LAVs before it even approaches the cost of my tank. Its not a 'bad' thing. Its a OHKO on a 1.4 million tank with over 40 million sp into it. It is solid v. tanks and infantry. This OHKO option should be fixed, or lower costs across the board on tanks. Then use cheaper tanks and shoot the lavs before they hit you. I am assuming you can use a rail gun and you have to have some lvl of awareness when tanking so....... Completely slipped my mind that railguns can 1 shot lavs now.. "This ohko option should be fixed " trololol *Sheeba Sheeba* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4517	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:09:00 - [85] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. LAV go boom ,had half its hp removed and has Res that you as a tanker can detonate.And your teams small arms fire can detonate the Res .I don't see a problem. You'll notice most of the complaints are directed at the cost cost is fine, rebalance hardener eHP; nothing wrong with surviving that long, everything wrong with being able to do it every thirty seconds. Nobody panic! My 'like' button is fixed!
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 494	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:24:00 - [86] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. LAV go boom ,had half its hp removed and has Res that you as a tanker can detonate.And your teams small arms fire can detonate the Res .I don't see a problem. You'll notice most of the complaints are directed at the cost cost is fine, rebalance hardener eHP; nothing wrong with surviving that long, everything wrong with being able to do it every thirty seconds. The cost of the JLAV, Zero ISK ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 465	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:36:00 - [87] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: I don't enjoy hanging back in the redline, but when a noted JLAV operator MCLOVIN is on the other side, he will do it non-stop and come ahead ISK-wise. I'll have to stay back or risk 1.4 million vs a 20,000 isk + LAV with bombs on it. Right I've got a bpo lav and a bpo logi ..shots uber cheap 40k...bye bye ant tank In dust ...ccp should nerf it i said it when I was a tanker and while I've not used this insanely cheap kamikaze rig even once yet if a tank appeared on the other side i couldnt pop i would..good think I run with sonlme of the best vehicle experts in the game or i may actually have to suicide reg mortedeamor ....i'm her slave because Amarrians are the best in the sheets #stamina
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 465	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:37:00 - [88] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. LAV go boom ,had half its hp removed and has Res that you as a tanker can detonate.And your teams small arms fire can detonate the Res .I don't see a problem. You'll notice most of the complaints are directed at the cost cost is fine, rebalance hardener eHP; nothing wrong with surviving that long, everything wrong with being able to do it every thirty seconds. The cost of the JLAV, Zero ISK Actually it costs around 40k mortedeamor ....i'm her slave because Amarrians are the best in the sheets #stamina
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1901	Posted - 2015.04.01 13:24:00 - [89] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. Funny that you reopen the tanker's anti-JLAV QQ now, as there has been JLAV users QQ threads on how their tactic has been destroyed by decreasing the LAV HP amount. Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1902	Posted - 2015.04.01 13:35:00 - [90] - Quote Also there is no "problem" with JLAVs. I gotta say I like jihad jeeps, even from tanker's viewpoint. JLAVs are not that powerful as people with one sided experience would think. Easy to counter and even without using those counters they often just plain fail. JLAV success ratio is far less than 50%. Far. Why is that? It's not that LAVs can teleport next to you. Good tankers are aware of most vehicle deployments. LAVs can be heard and good tankers realise the risk of possible JLAV and prepare to face it. JLAV user has to do all the following: Respawn - or run - to a distant location (otherwise there is a chance LAV deplo gets busted) Vehicle quota must not be reached Has to have peaceful moment to prep REs Has to find where the tank has moved to (weak tankers stay put as turrets, good ones move) Has to approach tank preferably from rear (to avoid getting blown) Has to be lucky enough not to be blown by small arms (or sacrifice more prepping by using other player's remotes) And finally has to hit fast tank enough to detonate - easy on flat ground but very tricky on rolling terrain Above there's plenty of uncertainties or delaying factors. The whole process can take minutes, long time out of a 4-15 min matches. Even bigger now as the bug 'unsuitable location' is here. Cheap isk-wise, yes, but isk balancing is worst balancing. The biggest thing is the price in sacrificing fight time on which you could be helping your team otherwise. Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5997	Posted - 2015.04.01 14:25:00 - [91] - Quote Working as intended, IMHO. Stop whining that you actually die on occasion. It's an FPS, if you aren't dying, the game is broken. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Raven-747 Rogue Instincts Ashtar Federation 2	Posted - 2015.04.01 14:40:00 - [92] - Quote I think jlavs are are effective tool for you heavy mod tankers since you kill stuff like its too easy and then when you run out of those insane hardners and mods you escape to redline to recover. That is where JLavs come in to one hit tankers who do that. Nova knives blades are visible then why not the nanite injector needle?
OKK WORD Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.04.01 15:25:00 - [93] - Quote If your not prepared to lose it, then don't use it. Simple.
Outlaw OneZero Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1612	Posted - 2015.04.01 15:31:00 - [94] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Actually it costs around 40k Actually you can reduce it to 0 if you have the right assets. Call in BPO LAV, drive to supply depot. Switch to remote suit, drop all remotes on LAV front bumper. Switch to APEX logi suit. Get in and crash into an unsuspecting HAV. BOOM! Zero risk, high reward. I like the JLAV as a balancing tool, but the risk/reward is thrown off by BPOs. Hello, is this thing on?
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3155	Posted - 2015.04.01 16:32:00 - [95] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. LAV go boom ,had half its hp removed and has Res that you as a tanker can detonate.And your teams small arms fire can detonate the Res .I don't see a problem. You lose 3mil ISK in tanks in one match to the same person driving a jihad jeep around, then come on here and tell us how you feel about it. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3155	Posted - 2015.04.01 16:36:00 - [96] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Pay attention. Viable tactic. Working as intended. Allah Akbar Definitely not a valid tactic on the ISK ratio of your vehicles cost + suit vs tank and crew. I pay plenty of attention. Its how I faceroll most other tankers. But, do you play in a squad that will call out the jihad? Do you use a scanner and see the fuckton of remotes moving towards you? They made people have to get creative with jihad jeeps since the bandwidth change. This may be a tad bias but something has to kill those invincible madrugars, no? We don't always have the room for a scanner. It's usually me and Taka rolling around together, either me in his tank or we both have one. Neither of us can use a scanner because we can't lose an offensive or defensive module slot. I like railguns, despite how insanely buggy they can be. I obviously can't use a scanner, because I need to make my turret better with modules. Maybe we should start doing tank squads again. A missile, a railgun, 4 blasters. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Outlaw OneZero Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1612	Posted - 2015.04.01 16:52:00 - [97] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: You lose 3mil ISK in tanks in one match to the same person driving a jihad jeep around, then come on here and tell us how you feel about it. Why are you risking 3 mil in assets without proper infantry support to keep AV off of you? Hello, is this thing on?
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP 134	Posted - 2015.04.01 17:10:00 - [98] - Quote Outlaw OneZero wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You lose 3mil ISK in tanks in one match to the same person driving a jihad jeep around, then come on here and tell us how you feel about it. Why are you risking 3 mil in assets without proper infantry support to keep AV off of you? Yeap... if you only "win" with a proto tanks... and you want a Indestructible asset... you are a BAD PLAYER... The Ar of War by Sun Tzu: Chapter 6: weak ponts and strong: http://suntzusaid.com/book/6 I see this... * IF the enemy spend 1.2M ISK for a tank, use a Cheapest - 0 isk Risk to blow to the smithereens ... War is unfair NEW EDEN TO. -- LKC -- Tomate Pote --
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3291	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:14:00 - [99] - Quote You may have an argument in terms of risk vs reward, what with blueprints being free and all. However the tactic itself is sound and should remain viable. We are clones, we do not need to have the same regard for life like most mortals. Only Isk / Resources are your limit. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
Heracles Porsche Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 282	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:07:00 - [100] - Quote Now i want to go on a JLAV spree. Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche

Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 433	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:21:00 - [101] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: You may have an argument in terms of risk vs reward, what with blueprints being free and all. However the tactic itself is sound and should remain viable. We are clones, we do not need to have the same regard for life like most mortals. Only Isk / Resources are your limit. Its ridiculous and needs to be removed or prices dropped. I've been around since Beta, and this **** is ridiculous. It is okay ONLY in games where you don't foot the bill for the vehicle.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17928	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:22:00 - [102] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: You may have an argument in terms of risk vs reward, what with blueprints being free and all. However the tactic itself is sound and should remain viable. We are clones, we do not need to have the same regard for life like most mortals. Only Isk / Resources are your limit. Except in many cases there is not ISK cost. BPO suit [Apex Minmatar] and BPO vehicle [Blood Raider Saga]. I'd be fine if players were investing ISK into their vehicle and suit but as it is it's a 0 ISK fit destroying a 1.2 Million ISK tank. Not saying it shouldn't happen but in this instance there is no risk on the JLAVer's part. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 433	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:24:00 - [103] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: You may have an argument in terms of risk vs reward, what with blueprints being free and all. However the tactic itself is sound and should remain viable. We are clones, we do not need to have the same regard for life like most mortals. Only Isk / Resources are your limit. Except in many cases there is not ISK cost. BPO suit [Apex Minmatar] and BPO vehicle [Blood Raider Saga]. I'd be fine if players were investing ISK into their vehicle and suit but as it is it's a 0 ISK fit destroying a 1.2 Million ISK tank. Not saying it shouldn't happen but in this instance there is no risk on the JLAVer's part. Indeed! I've been accumulating SP since release to get my tank where it is and I get popped like nothing by a no risk or isk tactic? Its ridiculous. Easy fix is make it where remotes won't stick on friendly vehicles.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property 6382	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:25:00 - [104] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. Ah, Mary. How many years has it been? 3? 4? We've been around for ages. And for all the threads you've made - how many actually got resolved? lol n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Crimson Moon V 439	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:40:00 - [105] - Quote Heracles Porsche wrote: Now i want to go on a JLAV spree. Pretty much, threads like these only make people want to farm scrubby tanker tears. Lets be real here. You are only in a tank because you have no gun game outside of one. Yeah I'm talking to you scrub4thedead. Get wrecked in 1 vs 1's more scrub. I would expect some scrub from molon labe to post a river of tears like this. People have been crying about JLAV's since you could stick RE's to LAV's. Sorry but JLAV's are not going anywhere. Dare I say adapt or die. Or maybe just get over it. I doubt a scrub like you knows how to adapt. Maybe that's why you have to sit in a tank all day. Isn't molon labe considered one of the worst corps of all time. Join a real corp and get good fgt. Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17931	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:20:00 - [106] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Heracles Porsche wrote: Now i want to go on a JLAV spree. Pretty much, threads like these only make people want to farm scrubby tanker tears. Lets be real here. You are only in a tank because you have no gun game outside of one. Yeah I'm talking to you scrub4thedead. Get wrecked in 1 vs 1's more scrub. I would expect some scrub from molon labe to post a river of tears like this. People have been crying about JLAV's since you could stick RE's to LAV's. Sorry but JLAV's are not going anywhere. Dare I say adapt or die. Or maybe just get over it. I doubt a scrub like you knows how to adapt. Maybe that's why you have to sit in a tank all day. Isn't molon labe considered one of the worst corps of all time. Join a real corp and get good fgt. I'm a passable rifleman outside of my tank thank you very much. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 973	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:40:00 - [107] - Quote Since the tank changes, I've been hit by 0 Jlavs... I have destroyed many... Learn to be more aware, or failing that, look at the mini-map, one came full speed at the back of my tank while I was stationary, saw the dot coming at me on the map, moved forwards. If you move the same direction as the jeep, it can't explode on you, it will hit and just stop moving... Then you make some distance and turn your turret > Boom! When someone can't afford a tank, I'd rather they come at me with a JLAV and give me some fun, rather than pulling out swarms and av grenades.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 973	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:45:00 - [108] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I'd be fine if players were investing ISK into their vehicle and suit Is mine ok then? I put a turbo on my quafe Saga... And my suit costs about 3k, lol. If it cost more, it would require being harder to kill... Fact is Jihaad dies more easily than tank, if tanker is not bad.
Crimson Moon V 439	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:49:00 - [109] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Heracles Porsche wrote: Now i want to go on a JLAV spree. Pretty much, threads like these only make people want to farm scrubby tanker tears. Lets be real here. You are only in a tank because you have no gun game outside of one. Yeah I'm talking to you scrub4thedead. Get wrecked in 1 vs 1's more scrub. I would expect some scrub from molon labe to post a river of tears like this. People have been crying about JLAV's since you could stick RE's to LAV's. Sorry but JLAV's are not going anywhere. Dare I say adapt or die. Or maybe just get over it. I doubt a scrub like you knows how to adapt. Maybe that's why you have to sit in a tank all day. Isn't molon labe considered one of the worst corps of all time. Join a real corp and get good fgt. I'm a passable rifleman outside of my tank thank you very much. Maybe you are. Most are garbage though. Have you ever blew up a tank and the driver jumps out and beats you in a gunfight? That has never happened to me. Not even once in all the time I have been playing this game. (Trust me its been to long time.) Most tankers have garbage gun game. Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17933	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:49:00 - [110] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: True Adamance wrote: I'd be fine if players were investing ISK into their vehicle and suit Is mine ok then? I put a turbo on my quafe Saga... And my suit costs about 3k, lol. If it cost more, it would require being harder to kill... Fact is Jihaad dies more easily than tank, if tanker is not bad. That's not really and investment. I mean I hate JLAV's as they are almost too easy to use and they cost jack all to deploy, being an insanely high power tool with almost no cost, however I don't begrudge you guys for using it. If you do it's simply a reflection that I am doing my job so well you cannot deal with me conventionally. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 782	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:50:00 - [111] - Quote Agree with the OP. I tell you what. How about all tankers refuse to bring them out, and instead just all run around on cheap suits with remotes? See how you like it. The higher the price, the better it should perform. JLAV's are cheap, but uber effective, while pro tanks cost tons, but die instantly to JLAV's? "Anybody order chaos?"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17933	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:56:00 - [112] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: True Adamance wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Heracles Porsche wrote: Now i want to go on a JLAV spree. Pretty much, threads like these only make people want to farm scrubby tanker tears. Lets be real here. You are only in a tank because you have no gun game outside of one. Yeah I'm talking to you scrub4thedead. Get wrecked in 1 vs 1's more scrub. I would expect some scrub from molon labe to post a river of tears like this. People have been crying about JLAV's since you could stick RE's to LAV's. Sorry but JLAV's are not going anywhere. Dare I say adapt or die. Or maybe just get over it. I doubt a scrub like you knows how to adapt. Maybe that's why you have to sit in a tank all day. Isn't molon labe considered one of the worst corps of all time. Join a real corp and get good fgt. I'm a passable rifleman outside of my tank thank you very much. Maybe you are. Most are garbage though. Have you ever blew up a tank and the driver jumps out and beats you in a gunfight? That has never happened to me. Not even once in all the time I have been playing this game. (Trust me its been to long time.) Most tankers have garbage gun game. I don't know about that. I know a great deal of pilots all of whom are more than capable of competitive ground games. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 973	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:57:00 - [113] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: True Adamance wrote: I'd be fine if players were investing ISK into their vehicle and suit Is mine ok then? I put a turbo on my quafe Saga... And my suit costs about 3k, lol. If it cost more, it would require being harder to kill... Fact is Jihaad dies more easily than tank, if tanker is not bad. That's not really and investment. I mean I hate JLAV's as they are almost too easy to use and they cost jack all to deploy, being an insanely high power tool with almost no cost, however I don't begrudge you guys for using it. If you do it's simply a reflection that I am doing my job so well you cannot deal with me conventionally. I mostly only bring them out to deal with redzone tanks, rep stacked Madrugas and the occasional scrubs jumping out with AV grenades/swarms (because they clearly shouldn't have had the tank in the first place.) Don't get me wrong, in a fair fight, I'd rather go tank v tank... Pretty much the only Missile Gunnlogi out there at the moment... DELBOY where are you? We need to show these Blaster Maddi's who's boss, lol.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 435	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:19:00 - [114] - Quote Such hate and ignorance from those who know not the role. As for my 'gun game' its fine. I skilled into vehicles early though, and that is my role. I am pretty sure you are a scrub at vehicles. As for missile tanks. Good stuff. I like using rails a bit more. Fun against all tanks! JLAV needs to get its tankiness back so it doesn't pop the moment it scrapes a tank. As for the guy who says that he has gotten popped by 0 JLAVs, good on ya. I pay attention just fine. I also run a crew and push. Attention is limited and JLAV can come in as you push. Unless you want to redline and sit and wait the whole match for the JLAV which is not something I wish to do no matter how many throw out the term 'scrub' or 'Red Line Camper' at me. Yes, adapt or die is great in concept, but again it comes down to something that is free to next-to-free able to OHKO a tank. I kill many of them, but he only has to get lucky once and still come out positive ISK-wise in a match which I think is wrong. As for the corp I am in, I do not represent them. I just play with people here.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 435	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:22:00 - [115] - Quote I am an olde guard tanker. I am one of the best around. I have great awareness. I often spot LAVs. I kill them as well. But jeez you have to go 100 percent anti-JLAV the moment they hit the field the whole game because he really can just do them the whole time and be just fine!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17935	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:24:00 - [116] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: True Adamance wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: True Adamance wrote: I'd be fine if players were investing ISK into their vehicle and suit Is mine ok then? I put a turbo on my quafe Saga... And my suit costs about 3k, lol. If it cost more, it would require being harder to kill... Fact is Jihaad dies more easily than tank, if tanker is not bad. That's not really and investment. I mean I hate JLAV's as they are almost too easy to use and they cost jack all to deploy, being an insanely high power tool with almost no cost, however I don't begrudge you guys for using it. If you do it's simply a reflection that I am doing my job so well you cannot deal with me conventionally. I mostly only bring them out to deal with redzone tanks, rep stacked Madrugas and the occasional scrubs jumping out with AV grenades/swarms (because they clearly shouldn't have had the tank in the first place.) Don't get me wrong, in a fair fight, I'd rather go tank v tank... Pretty much the only Missile Gunnlogi out there at the moment... DELBOY where are you? We need to show these Blaster Maddi's who's boss, lol. Missile Tanks are suprisingly nasty. Popped by one a week or two ago in a much shorter time that I was led to expect by the general consensus of players I'd talked to. Still I am a Blaster Tanker from the old days. I liked blaster duels because it was all about determination, module activation, and positioning. No guts, No glory. Would change though if Amarr HAV and turrets were in the game though. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet General Tso's Alliance 205	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:27:00 - [117] - Quote It's a tank hater world sadly.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 435	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:34:00 - [118] - Quote People just want to lone wolf tanks easy style. Make us moving WP pinatas.
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 520	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:46:00 - [119] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. LAV go boom ,had half its hp removed and has Res that you as a tanker can detonate.And your teams small arms fire can detonate the Res .I don't see a problem. You lose 3mil ISK in tanks in one match to the same person driving a jihad jeep around, then come on here and tell us how you feel about it. As a former Red Star. PC player, I like the tears. Spkr I know you have lots of tricks and ISK up your sleeves, quit crying.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 974	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:50:00 - [120] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Would change though if Amarr HAV and turrets were in the game though. Laser turret... My Gunnlogi may crap itself, or I might... or both. Mary Sedillo wrote: But jeez you have to go 100 percent anti-JLAV the moment they hit the field the whole game because he really can just do them the whole time and be just fine! In all fairness, when we bring out tanks, the whole enemy team has to focus on killing the tanks for the rest of the match. I don't have lots of isk, but because I don't die often I can afford to spam them in the matches that I need to (though that's only when there's tanks on the other team.) Mary Sedillo wrote: JLAV needs to get its tankiness back so it doesn't pop the moment it scrapes a tank. It's the same as it's always been, speed and hp is nothing, it's all down to if they get a clean hit or not. If anything it's harder now, because 1 swarmer and the LAV is dead, no matter what. Mary Sedillo wrote: As for missile tanks. Good stuff. I like using rails a bit more. Fun against all tanks! I used to avoid using rails as much as possible, they were just too easy... But since they've been nerfed a few times and with the new 2 shots unless your mods are up, it's definitely more balanced and more fun. But missiles > everything. People always complained about them being useless vs shields, but that was all part of the fun. Took a lot of reloading and positioning to take it down without dieing. True Adamance wrote: Missile Tanks are suprisingly nasty. Popped by one a week or two ago in a much shorter time that I was led to expect by the general consensus of players I'd talked to. This is why I'm not sure they need a buff anymore, took a break from spamming my rail Gunni just to retest them & have found them to be a lot stronger than I remembered. Also the slower shot speed, means you don't get them flying off in all direction when you spray... Sniped some poor buggers off the top of a watertank the other day (I'd feel bad if I didn't know he had a forge gun.) Still, could be the tank builds, no idea what they're running beyond hull names and turret types.

Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 435	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:04:00 - [121] - Quote Actually, the additional tank on the LAVs did make them bounce off much more often. Hardly happens now.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 975	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:15:00 - [122] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Actually, the additional tank on the LAVs did make them bounce off much more often. Hardly happens now. But when they bounce off, they take 0 damage... It's all about how you hit, not how much hp you have when you hit... The sloped back of the Madruga has had my LAV go off it like a ramp a few times, which when you land, causes the LAV to take damage, usually resulting in the death of the LAV. So long as you never let them hit properly, they will never explode... 90% of JLAVers are terrible at driving and know nothing about tanking, they will drive right at you and make it easy. the 10% that actually know they need to get round the side, they are the fun ones to play against... But they only have to do that, if you make them. Failing that, I'm not sure on the maths, but the max remotes you can have on a LAV seem to be 5... Might be possible to stack enough hp to negate the blast, I had one crash right into the front of me while I was running from a swarmer, took out about 4k of shields leaving me on armour (still made the escape, thankfully... That protato hull cost a lot, lol.) Either way, I'm sorry if some people hate it, but I personally enjoy it and would hate to see it removed from the game. Tanks and JLAVs are fun... Also without JLAV's I could never drive my SAGA-II at a tank to make it squirm away, lol... Tanks always assume Jihaad.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 435	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:24:00 - [123] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Actually, the additional tank on the LAVs did make them bounce off much more often. Hardly happens now. But when they bounce off, they take 0 damage... It's all about how you hit, not how much hp you have when you hit... The sloped back of the Madruga has had my LAV go off it like a ramp a few times, which when you land, causes the LAV to take damage, usually resulting in the death of the LAV. So long as you never let them hit properly, they will never explode... 90% of JLAVers are terrible at driving and know nothing about tanking, they will drive right at you and make it easy. the 10% that actually know they need to get round the side, they are the fun ones to play against... But they only have to do that, if you make them. Failing that, I'm not sure on the maths, but the max remotes you can have on a LAV seem to be 5... Might be possible to stack enough hp to negate the blast, I had one crash right into the front of me while I was running from a swarmer, took out about 4k of shields leaving me on armour (still made the escape, thankfully... That protato hull cost a lot, lol.) Either way, I'm sorry if some people hate it, but I personally enjoy it and would hate to see it removed from the game. Tanks and JLAVs are fun... Also without JLAV's I could never drive my SAGA-II at a tank to make it squirm away, lol... Tanks always assume Jihaad. In my experience, it is MUCH easier to have a JLAV hit a Maddy than it is to hit a Gunnlogi. Gunnlogi has quicker pick up and go and easier turning, whereas the Maddy is so SLOOOW
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 435	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:25:00 - [124] - Quote I have seen people with over 12 remotes on a Jeep.
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 520	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:28:00 - [125] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: I have seen people with over 12 remotes on a Jeep. Those are crafty people. Now that I see the new tanks, I might have to get more crafty as well.
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 138	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:32:00 - [126] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. I am against on this matter. On too many occasions since the ban of vehicles in ambush. I am seeing way to may proto tanks with ion cannons just mowing infanty down . We encounter with Av but his harder ers are too affective , by the time he's hardeners are gone either the infanty are picking us off beacaus lots of us are now in Av suits or he's buddy with a ion cannon shows up. You may just think of the person you just killed as an easy kill. But by you doing it you have pissed people off and they will try there hardest to kill you. Have you considered recalling you hav? The fact that its really expensive should be enough not try and redline with a hav. Try getting some kills then recall and go on foot. By then people will gave av and nothing to kill General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 975	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:33:00 - [127] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: I have seen people with over 12 remotes on a Jeep. Requires multiple people... And we all know people hate to work together, lol.
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 138	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:33:00 - [128] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: I have seen people with over 12 remotes on a Jeep. Those are crafty people. Now that I see the new tanks, I might have to get more crafty as well. 12 os the max I can get on a lav with a proto logi . But its skill abit over kill General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 439	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:48:00 - [129] - Quote They need to make it where only X number of remotes explode on contact, or stop it altogether.
Big miku Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 541	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:54:00 - [130] - Quote There are people who think mary red line camps lol. The only problem I have with Mary is that he is not a cute little Asian girl. I've been running 6k Shield Gunnies to stop the JLAVs from popping me.

SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 413	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:01:00 - [131] - Quote BOO F*cking HOO Learn your surroundings CPMs should stop acting like they have power and remember their true position. Scapegoats for CCP
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2915	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:04:00 - [132] - Quote Something I thought of. The complaints of Jihad jeeps are nearly identical to the complaints about RE spam. If you have an APEX suit with remotes you have a completely free way to drop REs on a proto sentinel and kill it with no ISK risk to the RE user. Yet they begrudge tankers wanting to change Jihad jeeps, when tankers are putting 10-15x the ISK at risk. It's the same argument. But RE spam is a problem and Jihads aren't? Therefore, never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 439	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:09:00 - [133] - Quote Learn my surroundings? I know them pretty well, and I know how easy the Jihad as it at the moment. Its ridiculous. Tons more risk on my part with any of my tanks vs. the JLAV. People can chest pound about 'just pop them' and 'know your surroundings' but I do! I run with those who provide overwatch every now and again watching for Bolas drops and what not. Its a problem.
Crimson Moon V 441	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:20:00 - [134] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Learn my surroundings? I know them pretty well, and I know how easy the Jihad as it at the moment. Its ridiculous. Tons more risk on my part with any of my tanks vs. the JLAV. People can chest pound about 'just pop them' and 'know your surroundings' but I do! I run with those who provide overwatch every now and again watching for Bolas drops and what not. Its a problem. MUST RESIST URGE TO. . . .TROLL You're just mad mclovin made you his *****. Well I tried. Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 439	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:26:00 - [135] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: Learn my surroundings? I know them pretty well, and I know how easy the Jihad as it at the moment. Its ridiculous. Tons more risk on my part with any of my tanks vs. the JLAV. People can chest pound about 'just pop them' and 'know your surroundings' but I do! I run with those who provide overwatch every now and again watching for Bolas drops and what not. Its a problem. MUST RESIST URGE TO. . . .TROLL You're just mad mclovin made you his *****. Well I tried. Well; no, he didn't. Its a no-skill occupation. Its stupid easy no matter what people say.
Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 547	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:28:00 - [136] - Quote Huh Another attempt to take what little weaponry we can use against tanks leaves thread forever Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1004	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:35:00 - [137] - Quote omg hahahaha.. way to go whoever came up with that plan! I think it's rather clever.. don't let that LAV get near you is all I got to say..and you won't have to worry.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 439	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:37:00 - [138] - Quote You have a BUNCH of weaponry already! You do NOT need a OHKO ability on a 1.4 million isk tank!
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 47	Posted - 2015.04.02 01:11:00 - [139] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Proto Madrugars and Proto Gunnlogis. The only one with even a chance survivng vs. heavy packed LAV with REs is the Tri-Hardener Gunnlogi. Shoot the lav. The remotes are usually on the front. Tag one of them and poof goes the LAV. Situational Awareness is your friend. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 209	Posted - 2015.04.02 01:45:00 - [140] - Quote Why is this thread still active... I've only seen two JLAVs since the bandwidth change. If someone's angry enough to fling themselves at you with a car strapped with explosives, take it as a compliment, you're doing it right. And unless you're good (or rich), Proto isn't worth the price. I rarely even run ADV tanks. Redundant Usernames FTW Neigh! Born to fly! Incubi RULE! 30% Logi, 20% Tanker, 50% Pilot

Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 338	Posted - 2015.04.02 02:04:00 - [141] - Quote JLAV HP- 1200 so it's cheap Tank Blaster/Cannon > JLAV HP Death by laser is imminent
MCLOVIN619 24	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:25:00 - [142] - Quote Thanks for recognizing me, a couple things before I never come back to this thread 1.I 100% made you my ***** and will when I see you in pubs 2.????? 3.Make tears 4.I fit 23 Re's with no help from my team soooo yall don't know the true way of Allah Hotter then Anna Kendrick http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W5uX3zCyKzcu
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:36:00 - [143] - Quote MCLOVIN619 wrote: Thanks for recognizing me, a couple things before I never come back to this thread 1.I 100% made you my ***** and will when I see you in pubs 2.????? 3.Make tears 4.I fit 23 Re's with no help from my team soooo yall don't know the true way of Allah Lol, yeah totally. Nah, you didn't have the balls to take me on legitimately. Had to use a broken mechanic because you fail at everything else.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 413	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:37:00 - [144] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Something I thought of. The complaints of Jihad jeeps are nearly identical to the complaints about RE spam. If you have an APEX suit with remotes you have a completely free way to drop REs on a proto sentinel and kill it with no ISK risk to the RE user. Yet they begrudge tankers wanting to change Jihad jeeps, when tankers are putting 10-15x the ISK at risk. It's the same argument. But RE spam is a problem and Jihads aren't? the difference in this situation is that the game is sooo bugged that you cannot see the flight path of tossed REs half of the time. Also JLAV involves placing REs not frisbeeing them. I dislike the chucking of REs but not for the risk/reward reason. Only because you dont see the RE properly. CPMs should stop acting like they have power and remember their true position. Scapegoats for CCP
CarlitoX Jojooojo 188	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:38:00 - [145] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. First, get good. Then cry ,because you are a ***** kid with your parents using small turrets and don't forget, real tankers do 1v1. I hope that these RE have opened your anus, cry baby cry. Amarr 4 ever. C3PO's alt
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:39:00 - [146] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Something I thought of. The complaints of Jihad jeeps are nearly identical to the complaints about RE spam. If you have an APEX suit with remotes you have a completely free way to drop REs on a proto sentinel and kill it with no ISK risk to the RE user. Yet they begrudge tankers wanting to change Jihad jeeps, when tankers are putting 10-15x the ISK at risk. It's the same argument. But RE spam is a problem and Jihads aren't? the difference in this situation is that the game is sooo bugged that you cannot see the flight path of tossed REs half of the time. Also JLAV involves placing REs not frisbeeing them. I dislike the chucking of REs but not for the risk/reward reason. Only because you dont see the RE properly. I have mad respect for guys who can get enough RE's on my tank before I notice and blow me up. Doesn't happen often because I pay attention, but funny when it does.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:40:00 - [147] - Quote CarlitoX Jojooojo wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. First, get good. Then cry ,because you are a ***** kid with your parents using small turrets and don't forget, real tankers do 1v1. I hope that these RE have opened your anus, cry baby cry. Get friends and raise your turret optimization skills. You too can ACTUALLY tank. ;)
CarlitoX Jojooojo 188	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:50:00 - [148] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: CarlitoX Jojooojo wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. First, get good. Then cry ,because you are a ***** kid with your parents using small turrets and don't forget, real tankers do 1v1. I hope that these RE have opened your anus, cry baby cry. Get friends and raise your turret optimization skills. You too can ACTUALLY tank. ;) I prefer the old school "tank alone" before sh!tty hotfixes, always i kill with my own balls, not with puzzies "friends" like yours. Amarr 4 ever. C3PO's alt
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:51:00 - [149] - Quote CarlitoX Jojooojo wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: CarlitoX Jojooojo wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. First, get good. Then cry ,because you are a ***** kid with your parents using small turrets and don't forget, real tankers do 1v1. I hope that these RE have opened your anus, cry baby cry. Get friends and raise your turret optimization skills. You too can ACTUALLY tank. ;) I prefer the old school "tank alone" before sh!tty hotfixes, always i kill with my own balls, not with puzzies "friends" like yours. lmao -- sure, lone wolf if you wish, but don't be surprised if I consistently tank n spank you lol
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:53:00 - [150] - Quote There is NO shame in overcoming opposition through effective teamwork. :)

Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:56:00 - [151] - Quote I think that a team, 3 seater tank is actually more enjoyable than the 'dog-pile' tank squads I see, with 4 or so tanks rolling together.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 415	Posted - 2015.04.02 05:01:00 - [152] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: MCLOVIN619 wrote: Thanks for recognizing me, a couple things before I never come back to this thread 1.I 100% made you my ***** and will when I see you in pubs 2.????? 3.Make tears 4.I fit 23 Re's with no help from my team soooo yall don't know the true way of Allah Lol, yeah totally. Nah, you didn't have the balls to take me on legitimately. Had to use a broken mechanic because you fail at everything else. or you can adapt, and become a stronger player for it. The best JLAV is a two man team. One on the map spotting and the other driving. but wait it seems like too much of a puss for that so you cry for the devs to make you more powerful. because thats going to help this game CPMs should stop acting like they have power and remember their true position. Scapegoats for CCP
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2015.04.02 05:02:00 - [153] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: MCLOVIN619 wrote: Thanks for recognizing me, a couple things before I never come back to this thread 1.I 100% made you my ***** and will when I see you in pubs 2.????? 3.Make tears 4.I fit 23 Re's with no help from my team soooo yall don't know the true way of Allah Lol, yeah totally. Nah, you didn't have the balls to take me on legitimately. Had to use a broken mechanic because you fail at everything else. or you can adapt, and become a stronger player for it. The best JLAV is a two man team. One on the map spotting and the other driving I have mate -- the contention is the ISK ration for risk:reward. Tri-hardener Gunnlogi can apparently survive 20 re stack on an LAV. He just has to catch me on cooldown.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 415	Posted - 2015.04.02 05:03:00 - [154] - Quote read the edit....MATE CPMs should stop acting like they have power and remember their true position. Scapegoats for CCP
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2015.04.02 05:04:00 - [155] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: read the edit....MATE Yes, because pointing out a HUGE IMBALANCE is crying. Right.
SOGZ PANDA WarRavens 77	Posted - 2015.04.02 10:17:00 - [156] - Quote I actually empathize with this problem People can say all they want "just shoot them", but some people have no idea how hard it is to concentrate on 2-3 people shooting av at you Plus dealing with supporting your teammates to justify your role. Only to have some **** drive a bpo lav with 10 remotes on it and run it right into you. It's downright obserd. "Why should we make a story about you?" "Cause I'm so f*ing good!"
The KTM DuKe Dead Man's Game RUST415 64	Posted - 2015.04.02 10:41:00 - [157] - Quote Jlav are ridicoulous act made by ridicoulous people that instead stop spawnkill and switch to AV or simply make an ambush to s tank, AV nades are OP, and dont tell me 2 proto AV cant kill a "proto" tank cuz this mean you are going face to face to a tank snd there is no reason you will survive it. Good HAV pilots are OP? Maybe but how many SP do they have in tanks? Why cant i just have a weapon that instant kill everything? No, particle cannon dont 1-shot ak.0 sentinel. Alt of H0riz0n Unlimit, DMG director, FOTM chaser
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 256	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:04:00 - [158] - Quote With the low eHP one shot by everything LAVS (even when well fitted)... I guess that's all LAVs can do for now I guess shrug Entering the void and becoming wind. Message for 1v1 air to air
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 179	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:05:00 - [159] - Quote Oh,look all these crying scrubs about getting killed by jihads :D Tell me,you are crying because you can't get 15/0 while getting shot by 5 forgers and still survive?I feel so sorry about you... Public skirmish = camping games
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 702	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:10:00 - [160] - Quote SOGZ PANDA wrote: I actually empathize with this problem People can say all they want "just shoot them", but some people have no idea how hard it is to concentrate on 2-3 people shooting av at you Plus dealing with supporting your teammates to justify your role. Only to have some **** drive a bpo lav with 10 remotes on it and run it right into you. It's downright obserd. If 2-3 people AVing you don't get you, you deserve to be kille by a rolling bomb. It just shows, that tanks are OP. I don't think, that just because your tank is expensive, that you should have a guaranteed 20-0 game constantly. If that was the case, nobody would play the game, it would just be unbalanced. So whatever it takes, and if I have no proper AV on a character, I might try the JLAV thing next time aswell.

itssnowingon me Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 12	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:28:00 - [161] - Quote Are you really complaining about a car with less health than a suit of armor driving across an open field and blowing you up.... U can even shoot the remotes with a gun , if your worried about a car we can just kill you with our tanks too
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... Dark Taboo 257	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:44:00 - [162] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: I don't enjoy hanging back in the redline, but when a noted JLAV operator MCLOVIN is on the other side, he will do it non-stop and come ahead ISK-wise. I'll have to stay back or risk 1.4 million vs a 20,000 isk + LAV with bombs on it. To be honest with U it can cost only 0:1 K/D for JLAV blueprint LAV blueprint dropsuit That moment when 1,4 mln ISK tank gone: PRICELESS Please stop talking about costs. Well fitted proto logi - 200k+ ISK Well fitted assault proto - 180k ISK Well fitted scout proto - up to 200k ISK Well fitted commando or Heavy proto OFC - up to 170k ISK Now imagine that losing few proto fits will cost same as Your tank. Remember that only few weapons are designed to hurt tanks and only Swarms can't hurt mercenaries. Plasma kill infantry, FG same.
JJ'S Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 61	Posted - 2015.04.02 14:08:00 - [163] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. You have a giant map that shows vehicles clearly moving on it. You have a radar that shows them approaching.. You have more then enough fire power to shoot their remote and blow them up in one shot.. You can nearly see a Boloch come drop off a vehicle from a majority of the map. Only problem with JLAV's is that sound in DUST is... challenged and cheapened out on. I can hear a dropship from the enemies red-line... while i am in mine... But i can only hear a LAV's engines or it approaching when it is pretty much to late. Even with 300 dollar Sennheiser Game 1's Hooked upto my Onyko receiver running fibre optic digital audio cables from the PS3... You can't tell the direction it is even comming from. So even with one of the better sound setups for the game.. You can barely hear an LAV approaching.. You can barely tell what direction it is coming from... Atleast CCP Soundwave fixed the footsteps in DUST so they can be spatially heard Before he quit CCP and went to Riot games. Like most of CCP's talented developers..... Can even hear cloaked scouts running up now.
Yeeeuuuupppp 993	Posted - 2015.04.02 14:56:00 - [164] - Quote OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: I don't enjoy hanging back in the redline, but when a noted JLAV operator MCLOVIN is on the other side, he will do it non-stop and come ahead ISK-wise. I'll have to stay back or risk 1.4 million vs a 20,000 isk + LAV with bombs on it. To be honest with U it can cost only 0:1 K/D for JLAV blueprint LAV blueprint dropsuit That moment when 1,4 mln ISK tank gone: PRICELESS Please stop talking about costs. Well fitted proto logi - 200k+ ISK Well fitted assault proto - 180k ISK Well fitted scout proto - up to 200k ISK Well fitted commando or Heavy proto OFC - up to 170k ISK Now imagine that losing few proto fits will cost same as Your tank. Remember that only few weapons are designed to hurt tanks and only Swarms can't hurt mercenaries. Plasma kill infantry, FG same. Apex logi suits have the same bandwidth as regular proto logis. Remember that *Sheeba Sheeba* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
Mr.Pepe Le Pew Art.of.Death 29	Posted - 2015.04.02 15:32:00 - [165] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. Proto tanks are like monkeys that you're trying to catch. On the topic of monkey catching, Dave Chappelle explains, "think about how hard it would be to catch a monkey... and f%ck it.." XD CEO / Art.of.Death
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2219	Posted - 2015.04.02 15:33:00 - [166] - Quote Is that why you never leave the redline?? #gg Ich mag Katzen :3
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3157	Posted - 2015.04.02 15:38:00 - [167] - Quote Outlaw OneZero wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You lose 3mil ISK in tanks in one match to the same person driving a jihad jeep around, then come on here and tell us how you feel about it. Why are you risking 3 mil in assets without proper infantry support to keep AV off of you? A veteran pilot in one of the seats is more than enough. I don't get kicked out for staring at the map, which makes me half useless to begin with. As far as 3mil ISK, what are we supposed to do? Sit at our redline and wait for something to come around to shoot at? You guys complain about that. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3157	Posted - 2015.04.02 15:41:00 - [168] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: True Adamance wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: You may have an argument in terms of risk vs reward, what with blueprints being free and all. However the tactic itself is sound and should remain viable. We are clones, we do not need to have the same regard for life like most mortals. Only Isk / Resources are your limit. Except in many cases there is not ISK cost. BPO suit [Apex Minmatar] and BPO vehicle [Blood Raider Saga]. I'd be fine if players were investing ISK into their vehicle and suit but as it is it's a 0 ISK fit destroying a 1.2 Million ISK tank. Not saying it shouldn't happen but in this instance there is no risk on the JLAVer's part. Indeed! I've been accumulating SP since release to get my tank where it is and I get popped like nothing by a no risk or isk tactic? Its ridiculous. Easy fix is make it where remotes won't stick on friendly vehicles. I don't want them to stick to vehicles at all. It was a "bug" when first discovered. Someone made a token response saying they were going to look into it, then it became working as intended when nobody said anything after a while. If they're not going to look at it, the least they could do is say so. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3157	Posted - 2015.04.02 15:53:00 - [169] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. LAV go boom ,had half its hp removed and has Res that you as a tanker can detonate.And your teams small arms fire can detonate the Res .I don't see a problem. You lose 3mil ISK in tanks in one match to the same person driving a jihad jeep around, then come on here and tell us how you feel about it. As a former Red Star. PC player, I like the tears. Spkr I know you have lots of tricks and ISK up your sleeves, quit crying. Probably before I came on board. Did I take your place? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Kuruld Sengar G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 281	Posted - 2015.04.02 17:16:00 - [170] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Well, if a problem can be fixed by shooting at it, I'm not sure it's a problem at all. But I agree that vehicles are too expensive. Sure shooting at them works, but they are fast. Vehicles don't always make sound either, if they are off screen. Much of the time you can be surprised by them i they are being sneaky, and most people don't enjoy running dedicated navigator in a side turret to watch for them.

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 980	Posted - 2015.04.03 01:41:00 - [171] - Quote Kuruld Sengar wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Well, if a problem can be fixed by shooting at it, I'm not sure it's a problem at all. But I agree that vehicles are too expensive. Sure shooting at them works, but they are fast. Vehicles don't always make sound either, if they are off screen. Much of the time you can be surprised by them i they are being sneaky, and most people don't enjoy running dedicated navigator in a side turret to watch for them. Most people don't enjoy getting ganked by a tank either... Enjoyment is not a factor here, nor is isk consumption. There are some pretty cheap militia tanks available, which deal with infantry and JLAV's quite easily. Spend less time focusing on infantry with your large turret and you will have more than enough time to look around and see what's going on yourself. JLAV's do not need removing just to make tanking easier (it's pretty damn easy at the moment anyway, even if you don't run the FotM Madruga rep build.) Nerf the blueprint remotes and make JLAV's cost more... Don't forget isk wise a JLAV is going to die at least once, more if the tanker/team isn't stupid, so it should be cheaper than a tank that is almost expected to survive several matches in a row. Not to mention, can't be done (repeatedly) in FW or PC, because friendly fire kick and clones... In pubs, the clone count drops by 1 everytime you shoot an LAV, make use of it.
GVGMODE 191	Posted - 2015.04.06 00:14:00 - [172] - Quote JLAVS are fine according to CCP, else they would have fixed them several builds ago. If a tank is having trouble dealing with a group of JLAVS it should just recall his tank or stay in the reline in a fortress of proximity mines. Unless you believe that a 0 ISK JLAV is worth more than your ~1.3 M tank. Tanks are a joke at the moment, just respec into something else.
Aggrohim Escrow Removal and Acquisition No Context 111	Posted - 2015.05.11 06:09:00 - [173] - Quote Any1 else notice the 24kd Mary has this week? No I think that jihadists are great .it's stupid that it takes a squad all goin AV to kill a proto tank now. Its incredibly stupid when the teams are full of MLT and new players tryin to fight a tank. Its just not fair .At least Pro suites can be taken down by 4 MLT at once but a Proto tank requires you and multiple people to go completely out of the way for 1 tank. Making yourself vulnerable to the other 15 infantry on the field -CEO of -ERA- -Corp Count:20
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1264	Posted - 2015.05.11 06:16:00 - [174] - Quote Aggrohim wrote: Any1 else notice the 24kd Mary has this week? No I think that jihadists are great .it's stupid that it takes a squad all goin AV to kill a proto tank now. Its incredibly stupid when the teams are full of MLT and new players tryin to fight a tank. Its just not fair .At least Pro suites can be taken down by 4 MLT at once but a Proto tank requires you and multiple people to go completely out of the way for 1 tank. Making yourself vulnerable to the other 15 infantry on the field Last post was a month ago and this topic has been argued about over and over again. Let this thread die in peace. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8589	Posted - 2015.05.11 08:02:00 - [175] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. I read this thread, and I look at tank balance and consider what happens if people lose this rage button. And I laugh. #tanksarenotOPenough The conspiracy is real. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4641	Posted - 2015.05.11 09:09:00 - [176] - Quote I agree with the OP. I think that there is a technical problem. Vehicle explosions are the only source of friendly fire in pub matches, eliminate friendly fire from vehicle explosion would be a problem too, because destroying a vehicle would not kill their crew. There are 2 possible solution: 1) Set a timer for exiting vehicles and automatically kill what who was inside when a vehicle is destroyed, but not kill players nearby, then eliminate FF from vehicle explosion. 2) Eliminate damage from ramming vehicles/solid things (lorewise: inertia dampener for vehicles). Shaman's Shack - A place to trade Training to be a packed RE master launcher
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8597	Posted - 2015.05.11 10:01:00 - [177] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I agree with the OP. I think that there is a technical problem. Vehicle explosions are the only source of friendly fire in pub matches, eliminate friendly fire from vehicle explosion would be a problem too, because destroying a vehicle would not kill their crew. There are 2 possible solution: 1) Set a timer for exiting vehicles and automatically kill what who was inside when a vehicle is destroyed, but not kill players nearby, then eliminate FF from vehicle explosion. 2) Eliminate damage from ramming vehicles/solid things (lorewise: inertia dampener for vehicles). Or actually balance AV with HAVs then fix the JLAVs. Like reduce normal RE damage to vehicles by half or something And let people use packed. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
jonny battles Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 30	Posted - 2015.05.11 11:34:00 - [178] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Problem is, they can lose around 15 LAVs before it even approaches the cost of my tank. Its not a 'bad' thing. Its a OHKO on a 1.4 million tank with over 40 million sp into it. It is solid v. tanks and infantry. This OHKO option should be fixed, or lower costs across the board on tanks. Not if they have blueprints like me It was just that easy
deezy dabest 2224	Posted - 2015.05.11 12:55:00 - [179] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. Point gun at JLAV. Pull trigger. ??? Profit.
huopiang Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:20:00 - [180] - Quote JLAV is fine. Only people complaining will be tankers with no arguement other than making their life harder No way

Aggrohim Escrow Removal and Acquisition No Context 112	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:42:00 - [181] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. Take 6 100mil or so players in a Proto Assaults suites running across a feild against a 20mil SP Tanker.Without a supply depot Close by. After a short engagement all proto suites are dead and the tanker goes on killing everybody until [A] The squad gets tired of the unbalanced game and goes all AV until the tank either runs away or gets flanked by multiple infantry and gets killed Or [B] JLAV comes and kills or severely injuring the tank. How is this balanced when a full time tanker can have a 24kd and keeps on killing with a blaster? -CEO of -ERA- -Corp Count:20
Matius Indectus Shadow of the Raven 23	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:44:00 - [182] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: The tanker QQ is strong here. Stop your complaining and get some skill. They are LOUD, if you can't hear it you must be hard of hearing. Get gud or go home skrubs. Typical CoD forum troll response. There is a reason this ability didn't exist in the Beta, AV and teamwork alone are what required to kill a tank. If you can't muster that than "get gud scrub." It was bad enough that a fat suit with a proto forge could call a free LAV, and then drive up the ass of a tank and forge its butt hole. People hate tanks so much in this game because it is the only real thing that has a remote chance of stopping proto stompers. Well let us imagine a scenario where the RE can be attached to a player. Two guys (one with RE and one with a fast mostly militia speed/cloak fit) decide to say lets allah ackbar this dicks, so they strap the RE to the free suit guinea pig. He charges at you head on and before you and your buddies can do anything about your corpses are flying through the air. I'm all for that mentality, I will vote to keep the kami kaze jeeps if you allow for suicide bombers. If you can't read in between the lines, then what makes you think you can write?
Eros Adonai Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 295	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:45:00 - [183] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price. One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that. OHKO. This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK. Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right? It isn't. CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them. Problem fixed. LOL Director - Corrosive Synergy
Matius Indectus Shadow of the Raven 23	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:52:00 - [184] - Quote Aggrohim wrote: Any1 else notice the 24kd Mary has this week? No I think that jihadists are great .it's stupid that it takes a squad all goin AV to kill a proto tank now. Its incredibly stupid when the teams are full of MLT and new players tryin to fight a tank. Its just not fair .At least Pro suites can be taken down by 4 MLT at once but a Proto tank requires you and multiple people to go completely out of the way for 1 tank. Making yourself vulnerable to the other 15 infantry on the field You are assuming that proto stompers are solo, the only reason it takes so many people to take down a proto suit is due to lag and horrendous hit detection. Also that's kind of the whole point of a tank, I'm opposed to stomping of any kind but if you can't work together to take down a target or objective then just go back to CoD. Dust is supposed to represent a full on war/conflict, there are a lot more weapon possibilities and equipment to be pulled from EvE and implemented in Dust to make the game play more fun. If you can't read in between the lines, then what makes you think you can write?
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 1026	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:57:00 - [185] - Quote Last week I got ji had by a LAV on my Cladari blaster tank and I somehow decided NOT to fire xD Idk xD I got blown up and did I sent hatemail, complain on the forms, or angry as beep? Nope I was laughing because I still have 60+ tanks reserved :D (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! Die YOU SHADOW BEING IN THE DARK!!!
Matius Indectus Shadow of the Raven 23	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:58:00 - [186] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: I don't mind RE's being used thrown on a tank that isn't paying attention. Its the 12+ RE's on an LAV all bursting at once, often out of nowhere. Its broken and OP. First off. It isn't out of "nowhere". We drive up to you from far away and you have plenty of time to pick us off as we approach. Second, it is only 7 REs, not 12. Third, infantry shooting us as we drive around kills us just as fast as a tank shooting us, and they see us lot's more than you realize. Finally, if you get blown up by jihad, you deserve it. There are many tankers that I have tried and tried and tried to kill jihadi-style. They popped me everytime. They are good tankers though, so you might just not be in their league. In a relatively flat and open terrain your statement makes perfect sense, however where most tanks that I have seen die is CQ. For Vics this means in the maps with like I want to call them facilities. I believe that is what is upsetting the tankers, when you fail to state every fact it will only make it look like you are more for your own benefit. If you can't read in between the lines, then what makes you think you can write?
Balistyc Farshot OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance 168	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:58:00 - [187] - Quote Ok, calling up ISK to balance items is never going to work. Just stop doing that, you are crying due to you not being able to turn off your proto. That is like a vet complaining that the militia sniper took out his proto scout. Now, go get some freaking friends\gunners! A friend in a missilie or blaster turret will make short work of any JLAV. With all tanks using these turrets. Also, one freaking AV grenade and it goes up in smoke. Stay near a turrent even and it will blow up. The JLAV has so many weaknesses. Hell, use a AHMG and spray the front grill, boom. From Logi, to Heavy, to Scout, now I am moving to ADS. Please stop balancing!
Matius Indectus Shadow of the Raven 23	Posted - 2015.05.11 18:02:00 - [188] - Quote Sned TheDead wrote: Matius Indectus wrote: Medical Crash wrote: The tanker QQ is strong here. Stop your complaining and get some skill. They are LOUD, if you can't hear it you must be hard of hearing. Get gud or go home skrubs. Typical CoD forum troll response. There is a reason this ability didn't exist in the Beta, AV and teamwork alone are what required to kill a tank. If you can't muster that than "get gud scrub." It was bad enough that a fat suit with a proto forge could call a free LAV, and then drive up the ass of a tank and forge its butt hole. People hate tanks so much in this game because it is the only real thing that has a remote chance of stopping proto stompers. Well let us imagine a scenario where the RE can be attached to a player. Two guys (one with RE and one with a fast mostly militia speed/cloak fit) decide to say lets allah ackbar this dicks, so they strap the RE to the free suit guinea pig. He charges at you head on and before you and your buddies can do anything about your corpses are flying through the air. I'm all for that mentality, I will vote to keep the kami kaze jeeps if you allow for suicide bombers. I know that was meant to be sarcastic, but I would love to be able to do it... not to say we should, but holy hell would it be fun to get the hate mail. Hell everybody on here is supporting jihad as a legitimate tactic so why not allow it to happen. You would see a lot less proto stomps that's for sure lol. If you can't read in between the lines, then what makes you think you can write?
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6546	Posted - 2015.05.11 19:48:00 - [189] - Quote I have no problem with JLAVs. However, I have a problem with all the BPO LAVs that are being used as JLAVs people still have from when CCP was handing them out like candy. Some details can be ignored
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2323	Posted - 2015.05.11 20:07:00 - [190] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I have no problem with JLAVs. However, I have a problem with all the BPO LAVs that are being used as JLAVs people still have from when CCP was handing them out like candy. I use a quafe saga bpo from boxes. Problem? Also more jlavs! Emergent game play! Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.



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