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Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:44:00 -
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With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price.
One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that.
OHKO.
This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK.
Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM
JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right?
It isn't.
CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them.
Problem fixed. |
LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
3178
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:45:00 -
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What tank you using?
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Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:46:00 -
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Proto Madrugars and Proto Gunnlogis.
The only one with even a chance survivng vs. heavy packed LAV with REs is the Tri-Hardener Gunnlogi. |
tal mrak-thanl
Aethan Dor
315
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:46:00 -
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Can't you just shoot the lav before it hits you? |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
4494
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:47:00 -
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Takes one shot to kill the LAV; suck it up and deal with it - if you're getting killed by them consistently maybe you're just bad?
Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'.
And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.
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Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:48:00 -
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In many cases, yes. However, the nature of the JLAV is its sudden HUGE alpha damage at very low cost in relation to the tank. They need to remove the JLAV or lower prices on tanks.
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
3178
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:49:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:In many cases, yes. However, the nature of the JLAV is its sudden HUGE alpha damage at very low cost in relation to the tank. They need to remove the JLAV or lower prices on tanks.
Then they need to remove :
Core Locus Grenades
Remote Explosives
Plasma Cannon
Forge Gun
Or, ya know, lower the price of all drop suits and gear.
Plasma Cannon :3
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Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:49:00 -
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Problem is, they can lose around 15 LAVs before it even approaches the cost of my tank.
Its not a 'bad' thing.
Its a OHKO on a 1.4 million tank with over 40 million sp into it. It is solid v. tanks and infantry.
This OHKO option should be fixed, or lower costs across the board on tanks.
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tal mrak-thanl
Aethan Dor
315
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:49:00 -
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Well, if a problem can be fixed by shooting at it, I'm not sure it's a problem at all. But I agree that vehicles are too expensive. |
Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:50:00 -
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Cost of Dropsuits and Tanks are quite different.
NO dropsuit costs 1.4 million ISK. That is around 6-7 games worth of isk! |
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Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:51:00 -
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Unless you have someone watching overhead 24/7, most LAVs hit you in the rear when you engage. Gunnlogi can maneuver for a CHANCE at survival, but Madrugars are very slow in acceleration if you don't have fuel injector off cooldown, and even with injector, its easy for an LAV to slam into the side. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17905
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:53:00 -
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tal mrak-thanl wrote:Can't you just shoot the lav before it hits you?
I have to give it to you that its much easier to do so now. Not like last builds JLAV.
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Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:53:00 -
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I don't enjoy hanging back in the redline, but when a noted JLAV operator MCLOVIN is on the other side, he will do it non-stop and come ahead ISK-wise. I'll have to stay back or risk 1.4 million vs a 20,000 isk + LAV with bombs on it. |
poopy pantzs
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:53:00 -
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No Way! That's my time to shine baby!  |
Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:54:00 -
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Thing is, the extra nerf on LAV makes it EASIER to explode on tank. |
Aidualc
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
128
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:54:00 -
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"One Does Not Simply" stop using proto tanks in public matchs ?
JLAV are the best friend for blueberries like me :)
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
676
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:54:00 -
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JLAV's, Shotguns, and frisbee remotes.
Got to have an easy mode for dust man.
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Zepod
Titans of Phoenix
141
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:57:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:What tank you using?
Doesn't matter; terrible tanker will be terrible regardless of variant.
JLAVs can easily be killed by hitting the explosives mounted to the front of the LAV, and with how easy it is to detect LAVs the difficulty in doing so is trivial.
You may not like what I said, but it's true.
It might anger or offend you, but it's still true.
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
3178
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:57:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Unless you have someone watching overhead 24/7, most LAVs hit you in the rear when you engage. Gunnlogi can maneuver for a CHANCE at survival, but Madrugars are very slow in acceleration if you don't have fuel injector off cooldown, and even with injector, its easy for an LAV to slam into the side.
Or you could listen in.
They literally scream. Its not hard to tell if someone's planning something. I'll walk you through a thought process I use:
1. Hear RDV: check your redline and check the enemy's. If it is enemy, see what it is. Tank, go engage. Drop ship, engage if possible. LAV, go to step 2
2. If you hear it start up immediately or in short time, its not an immediate threat, albeit free WP. If you don't hear it start up, go to step three
3. Keep on the lookout, its probably a jihad if it is taking a while. Make sure you are in a position to destroy it if it approaches. It takes a while to set it up, and a smart, thinking and aware tanker will see it coming before its in their sights.
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RolyatDerTeufel
NOMAD.
1824
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:04:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:With the introduction of tiers of tanks of ever increasing price, the JLAV is still too effective for the price.
One person in a cheap lav loaded to the gills with remotes. Think about that.
OHKO.
This severely hurts vehicle operators who have invested millions of SP and ISK.
Push on the point? Going good. AV is hurting you as par the course, then BOOM
JLAV hits and you are done. How should it do that? Why is that right?
It isn't.
CCP needs to make it where friendly vehicles cannot have friendly REs on them.
Problem fixed.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
4499
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:06:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Unless you have someone watching overhead 24/7, most LAVs hit you in the rear when you engage. Gunnlogi can maneuver for a CHANCE at survival, but Madrugars are very slow in acceleration if you don't have fuel injector off cooldown, and even with injector, its easy for an LAV to slam into the side.
If you're paying attention to RDVs and LAVs then no, this won't happen.
If you get killed by a JLAV it's because you're stationary farming infantry.
Don't.
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Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:07:00 -
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I detect them. I have people that watch them. In rail tank with three rails, they are still tough to track.
Blasters have an easier time hitting them, but many can still clip the tank, blowing it up.
Its too cheap. Too effective. |
Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:09:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Unless you have someone watching overhead 24/7, most LAVs hit you in the rear when you engage. Gunnlogi can maneuver for a CHANCE at survival, but Madrugars are very slow in acceleration if you don't have fuel injector off cooldown, and even with injector, its easy for an LAV to slam into the side. If you're paying attention to RDVs and LAVs then no, this won't happen. If you get killed by a JLAV it's because you're stationary farming infantry. Don't.
I roam all about the field. I don't 'farm'. JLAV still OP.
Gunnlogi's have a chance to survive, a high one, with tri-hardeners, but the Maddy is killed near every time it impacts.
I don't get killed all the time by them but just enough to make it a problem. |
Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:12:00 -
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I am aware of the time of LAV. If it runs immediately, its usually safe. If it chills, its dangerous. I know about defense. But being relegated to defense 100 percent of game due to OP game mechanic? Just no. |
LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
3180
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:16:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:I am aware of the time of LAV. If it runs immediately, its usually safe. If it chills, its dangerous. I know about defense. But being relegated to defense 100 percent of game due to OP game mechanic? Just no.
That's BS...
It takes forever to set one up, in one game you can at most have 3 or 4 attempts, maybe 1 more depending on how the match is going.
I also find it hard to believe that three gunners can't hit one LAV... Maybe you're just bad? Switch a small rail for a blaster, the RoF will make hitting a remote easy least.
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Medical Crash
RED 0MEN.
Ashtar Federation
383
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:18:00 -
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The tanker QQ is strong here. Stop your complaining and get some skill. They are LOUD, if you can't hear it you must be hard of hearing. Get gud or go home skrubs.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17905
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:18:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Unless you have someone watching overhead 24/7, most LAVs hit you in the rear when you engage. Gunnlogi can maneuver for a CHANCE at survival, but Madrugars are very slow in acceleration if you don't have fuel injector off cooldown, and even with injector, its easy for an LAV to slam into the side. If you're paying attention to RDVs and LAVs then no, this won't happen. If you get killed by a JLAV it's because you're stationary farming infantry. Don't. I roam all about the field. I don't 'farm'. JLAV still OP. Gunnlogi's have a chance to survive, a high one, with tri-hardeners, but the Maddy is killed near every time it impacts. I don't get killed all the time by them but just enough to make it a problem.
What are you doing in a tank if not farming. All Infantry players are is are points in fleshy meat suits solely concieved for us transcendent beings to cull in the name of the Outer Gods.
Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you.
Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
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Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:21:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:I am aware of the time of LAV. If it runs immediately, its usually safe. If it chills, its dangerous. I know about defense. But being relegated to defense 100 percent of game due to OP game mechanic? Just no. That's BS... It takes forever to set one up, in one game you can at most have 3 or 4 attempts, maybe 1 more depending on how the match is going. I also find it hard to believe that three gunners can't hit one LAV... Maybe you're just bad? Switch a small rail for a blaster, the RoF will make hitting a remote easy least.
Guess you never ran into Mclovin' I take it? |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8974
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:22:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Cost of Dropsuits and Tanks are quite different.
NO dropsuit costs 1.4 million ISK. That is around 6-7 games worth of isk!
So the cheapest tanks cost 1.4 million?
If not, I suggest you run a cheaper tank.
It seems we are again at a point where only tanks can counter other tanks, and I can't say I am going to care much about the efficacy of JJs until AV can do something other than take out LAVs and DS.
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Mary Sedillo
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:24:00 -
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Medical Crash wrote:The tanker QQ is strong here. Stop your complaining and get some skill. They are LOUD, if you can't hear it you must be hard of hearing. Get gud or go home skrubs.
Says someone who knows nothing of upper tier tanking. |
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