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HOLY PERFECTION Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 61	Posted - 2015.03.13 03:52:00 - [1] - Quote Scouts are really overpowered. Actually, they have been since the cloak came out. Now... CCP adds steroids to the game! Shotgunners are jumping onto platforms 10 Meters high now. Shotguns are a two shot kill from 7-10 Meters away, and the hit box is messed up. Come on, really CCP. I am curious, what exactly is the purpose or role a scout has. Because it certainly cannot be killing everything on the game. If i wanted that i could go play COD. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 181	Posted - 2015.03.13 03:55:00 - [2] - Quote QQ something with 1/10th my HP killed my because i didn't use my spacial awareness QQ BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11131	Posted - 2015.03.13 03:56:00 - [3] - Quote Yet you don't seem to be complaining about heavies being able to do this... https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/576177982231957504 You seem to single out the scouts over all other suits that can do the same thing. Imagine a forge gunner jumping so high to wreck a tank driver's day. Oh wait... you don't have to imagine. Just watch the video and see for yourself. Imagine commandos or assault suits doing the same thing. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2196	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:00:00 - [4] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Yet you don't seem to be complaining about heavies being able to do this... https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/576177982231957504 You seem to single out the scouts over all other suits that can do the same thing. Imagine a forge gunner jumping so high to wreck a tank driver's day. Oh wait... you don't have to imagine. Just watch the video and see for yourself. Imagine commandos or assault suits doing the same thing. I'll just leave this here Baal Omniscient wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: So we buffed scouts and alpha damage weapons/RE's by reducing everyone's backpedaling speed.... And then buff them again in the same patch with Myofibs, basically at least doubling their versatility... Not to mention flying cloakers will be at least 50% more irritating to shoot at , or even see, than regular ones. I would just like to know why. Why is it that every patch has to come along with more amazing stuff for the one class that already has everything going in its favor short of EHP? Just waiting for the day the devs say 'f' it and give scouts sentinel EHP and resistances, should be any day now.... Edit: Sorry, my bitter vet syndrome is acting up lately. Dude seriously? All it is a simple increase to jump height. Stop crying for real and skill into it. It's super fun trust in that, I'm only level 1 in that mod but still love it. And I hope you know that we scouts will be even more fragile. And it's not hard to counter the jump. Just aim where they will fall and fire Haven't even tried it yet, my internet has been down. Posting from my phone. As far as crying, it's hard to cry about something I haven't experienced, just basing my remarks off of all of them I've seen. Scroll through this thread alone and tell me this isn't a massive buff to scouts. Not only do they have every advantage short of EHP, they gain the largest boost from every module that effects the stats they are superior in since all of the modules that affect the stats they are superior in are % based. Since melee is useless unless you get close enough to use it, scouts have the best chance of benifiting from every part of this module. Think it through. I'm just tired of every buff being better for scouts than anyone else, it only ever leads to the need for more nerfs and those nerfs are almost always a long time coming. I really think it's time I left this game altogether, there's never going to be any kind of fun in this game for me if cheap BS keeps proliferating and everything CCP does just seems to keep encouraging it more with every patch. (-_- ) Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8436	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:04:00 - [5] - Quote How were EWAR circles and EWAR Medium Frame changes better for scouts? How were Cloak dampening changes, Cloaked range changes, and Cloak delay changes better for scouts? I think you need to recheck your history before making such ignorant statements. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Union118 Heaven's Lost Property 448	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:04:00 - [6] - Quote They are OP. They need to drop when I put 3/4 of my clip in their back. Its total Bs that they can strafe so fast that hit detection is non exsistent. They are not detectable while shooting. Now they have super jumps with mass drivers and I dont know where they are shooting from. I used to play as a scout but it was so OP I respeced into assault. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2196	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:05:00 - [7] - Quote Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 182	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:07:00 - [8] - Quote Union118 wrote: They are OP. They need to drop when I put 3/4 of my clip in their back. Its total Bs that they can strafe so fast that hit detection is non exsistent. They are not detectable while shooting. Now they have super jumps with mass drivers and I dont know where they are shooting from. I used to play as a scout but it was so OP I respeced into assault. Says the guy going 2/12 in a pub match against randoms... BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
HOLY PERFECTION Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 62	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:09:00 - [9] - Quote HAHAHAH, im a min logi going 4000 WP average. And no not 12 times actually im normally go 7/2, or 0/3 on games good or bad. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 183	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:10:00 - [10] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. What fits are OP for scouts? Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP". Scouts haven't been good in a while. If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11134	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:10:00 - [11] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: @ Baal How were EWAR circles and EWAR Medium Frame changes better for scouts? How were Cloak dampening changes, Cloaked range changes, and Cloak delay changes better for scouts? I think you need to recheck your history before making such ignorant statements. I agree. They have experienced their fair share of nerfs already. A lot of it was warranted especially the cloaks. Also, jumping has at least enabled assaults to do the same thing and are able to effectively counter players who try to camp on high places such as the mid-level section of the mushroom structure in the Communication Outpost. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2196	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:11:00 - [12] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: @ Baal How were EWAR circles and EWAR Medium Frame changes better for scouts? How were Cloak dampening changes, Cloaked range changes, and Cloak delay changes better for scouts? I think you need to recheck your history before making such ignorant statements. Ewar nerfs were not buffs to % based modules. Nor were medium frame changes. Nor were cloak changes. Sorry if I missed a patch that had infantry changes that had buffs to % based modules that affect scout stats too and DIDN'T passively buff scouts, but I must have missed it Edit: And before you play with my words to distract from my meaning again, as I specified earlier, this is about changes to % based modules that affect the suits performance, not the weapons or PG/CPU. EVERY % based module buff has a greater positive impact on scouts for one reason or another. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 183	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:11:00 - [13] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: HAHAHAH, im a min logi going 4000 WP average. And no not 12 times actually im normally go 7/2, or 0/3 on games good or bad. You posted with the wrong alt. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
HOLY PERFECTION Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 62	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:12:00 - [14] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. What fits are OP for scouts? Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP". Scouts haven't been good in a while. If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes. Dude, ive used scouts myself you one minded freak. Your so one sided you cannot see the truth. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
HOLY PERFECTION Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 62	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:13:00 - [15] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: HAHAHAH, im a min logi going 4000 WP average. And no not 12 times actually im normally go 7/2, or 0/3 on games good or bad. You posted with the wrong alt. ? *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 183	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:18:00 - [16] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. What fits are OP for scouts? Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP". Scouts haven't been good in a while. If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes. Dude, ive used scouts myself you one minded freak. Your so one sided you cannot see the truth. You're. I don't care if you've used scouts. Ive used Logis, and I say they're OP. They have better EQ than other classes, and every change is an indirect buff to equipment (needles do shields now, shield extenders got buffed. Armor plates got buffed, so armor repper is better. Sentinels got buffed, so remotes were needed to kill them, and thus hives got buffed. Uplinks got buffed by allowing you to carry more). Also, with their slot load out which is higher than scouts, they have literally everything but speed and dampening better. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
HOLY PERFECTION Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 62	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:21:00 - [17] - Quote LOGIS ARE NOT OP. my min logi tops around 400 armor and 150 shield. And with shotguns, scrambler rifles, rail rifles, combat rifles, grenades,RE`s, turrets, i am one shotted. So i know what im talking about unlike yourself, and i never try to be unfair. I cannot believe you. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2196	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:22:00 - [18] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. What fits are OP for scouts? Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP". Scouts haven't been good in a while. If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes. Scouts don't need situational awareness as they have it passively on radar. As well as better stats in every way possible short of EHP. And if you knew a thing about this game you'd know numbers and fit layouts don't tell you a thing about what is going on in game. Ask CCP, Ratatti himself has realized this. get gud scrub Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Awesome Pantaloons Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 808	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:23:00 - [19] - Quote All right folks, just keep moving, nothing to see here, just another tear thread. You're all puppets, tangled in strings. I had strings, but now, I'm free. There are no strings on me.
gyjy7iu5 U.N.I.T.Y 0	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:24:00 - [20] - Quote You cannot turn around when you are one shotted stupid.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11134	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:26:00 - [21] - Quote One thing to remember is that the scouts DON'T have any bonuses towards melee damage (no, the nova knife is not a melee weapon). The suits that stand to benefit the most seem to be the ones that do have bonuses to melee. I think one of the commando suits has this bonus. I don't remember, but definitely not the scouts. Also, it has been rather difficult to sneak up on people these days as a scout ever since the introduction of the concentric circles by CCP which heavily affected all EWAR scouts. What I see here is players who are just taken by surprise with this recent change. Give it some time and eventually you'll start seeing players figuring out how to counter this new change. What this has done is added a new layer to matches where verticality is now a major factor. The only scout suit which may stand to benefit from this would be the Amarr scout due to its bonuses towards stamina amount and regen. And since melee and jumping eats up stamina, the Amarr scout would have an advantage. But it has no bonus to melee. One of the heavy-frame suits do have bonus to melee. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
gyjy7iu5 U.N.I.T.Y 0	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:27:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: One thing to remember is that the scouts DON'T have any bonuses towards melee damage (no, the nova knife is not a melee weapon). The suits that stand to benefit the most seem to be the ones that do have bonuses to melee. I think one of the commando suits has this bonus. I don't remember, but definitely not the scouts. Also, it has been rather difficult to sneak up on people these days as a scout ever since the introduction of the concentric circles by CCP which heavily affected all EWAR scouts. What I see here is players who are just taken by surprise with this recent change. Give it some time and eventually you'll start seeing players figuring out how to counter this new change. What this has done is added a new layer to matches where verticality is now a major factor. The only scout suit which may stand to benefit from this would be the Amarr scout due to its bonuses towards stamina amount and regen. And since melee and jumping eats up stamina, the Amarr scout would have an advantage. But it has no bonus to melee. One of the heavy-frame suits do have bonus to melee. No this is a long going problem, i could barely counter them before. But now it is just ridiculous.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2196	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:30:00 - [23] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. What fits are OP for scouts? Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP". Scouts haven't been good in a while. If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes. Dude, ive used scouts myself you one minded freak. Your so one sided you cannot see the truth. You're. I don't care if you've used scouts. Ive used Logis, and I say they're OP. They have better EQ than other classes, and every change is an indirect buff to equipment (needles do shields now, shield extenders got buffed. Armor plates got buffed, so armor repper is better. Sentinels got buffed, so remotes were needed to kill them, and thus hives got buffed. Uplinks got buffed by allowing you to carry more). Also, with their slot load out which is higher than scouts, they have literally everything but speed and dampening better. I too can cherry pick examples to support my ill founded claim. Buffs to a suit that has moderate stats all around and pretending to cherry pick examples of how it's OP isn't helping your cause, it's just hurting it by making you look completely juvenile. You might want to shut up and let an adult argue your case for you kid, because you are only doing more damage to it. And I mean that in the kindest way. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 184	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:31:00 - [24] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. What fits are OP for scouts? Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP". Scouts haven't been good in a while. If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes. Scouts don't need situational awareness as they have it passively on radar. As well as better stats in every way possible short of EHP. And if you knew a thing about this game you'd know numbers and fit layouts don't tell you a thing about what is going on in game. Ask CCP, Ratatti himself has realized this. get gud scrub 1. Detection EWAR on scouts has been severely nerfed. It is better in every way to have a Gal Logi instead for the following reasons: a. Range>Scout b. Precision>Scout c. HP>Scout d. See directionals, while scout can't e. Non-buggy perma scan 2. 5% better biotics and 15% better eWAR while having ~30% of the HP of an assault seems completely legit to me. Id definitely rather have a 15% better bonus to the buggiest system short of melee hit detection and 5% more mobility than 30% more HP. (that was sarcasm) 3. Very true. This statement is also a counter argument to your above claims, and therefore I shall let you nullify your own points before I point out that this is the exact reason that scouts were castrated in the first place. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11136	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:33:00 - [25] - Quote gyjy7iu5 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: One thing to remember is that the scouts DON'T have any bonuses towards melee damage (no, the nova knife is not a melee weapon). The suits that stand to benefit the most seem to be the ones that do have bonuses to melee. I think one of the commando suits has this bonus. I don't remember, but definitely not the scouts. Also, it has been rather difficult to sneak up on people these days as a scout ever since the introduction of the concentric circles by CCP which heavily affected all EWAR scouts. What I see here is players who are just taken by surprise with this recent change. Give it some time and eventually you'll start seeing players figuring out how to counter this new change. What this has done is added a new layer to matches where verticality is now a major factor. The only scout suit which may stand to benefit from this would be the Amarr scout due to its bonuses towards stamina amount and regen. And since melee and jumping eats up stamina, the Amarr scout would have an advantage. But it has no bonus to melee. One of the heavy-frame suits do have bonus to melee. No this is a long going problem, i could barely counter them before. But now it is just ridiculous. How are you not able to counter? On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2196	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:33:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: One thing to remember is that the scouts DON'T have any bonuses towards melee damage (no, the nova knife is not a melee weapon). The suits that stand to benefit the most seem to be the ones that do have bonuses to melee. I think one of the commando suits has this bonus. I don't remember, but definitely not the scouts. Also, it has been rather difficult to sneak up on people these days as a scout ever since the introduction of the concentric circles by CCP which heavily affected all EWAR scouts. What I see here is players who are just taken by surprise with this recent change. Give it some time and eventually you'll start seeing players figuring out how to counter this new change. What this has done is added a new layer to matches where verticality is now a major factor. The only scout suit which may stand to benefit from this would be the Amarr scout due to its bonuses towards stamina amount and regen. And since melee and jumping eats up stamina, the Amarr scout would have an advantage. But it has no bonus to melee. One of the heavy-frame suits do have bonus to melee. And a heavy is better off using it's EHP and HMG because it doesn't have the speed nor the stamina to make good use of its melee, and it's hit box while running at people doesn't help. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 184	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:34:00 - [27] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Buffs to a suit that has moderate stats all around and pretending to cherry pick examples of how it's OP isn't helping your cause, it's just hurting it by making you look completely juvenile. You might want to shut up and let an adult argue your case for you kid, because you are only doing more damage to it. And I mean that in the kindest way. Until you can produce a fit that is "OP" so that the community can realize that you're either stupid, trolling, or both, all ad hominems, self promoting insults, and further QQ that you spew is to be ignored. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
HOLY PERFECTION Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 63	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:34:00 - [28] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. What fits are OP for scouts? Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP". Scouts haven't been good in a while. If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes. Dude, ive used scouts myself you one minded freak. Your so one sided you cannot see the truth. You're. I don't care if you've used scouts. Ive used Logis, and I say they're OP. They have better EQ than other classes, and every change is an indirect buff to equipment (needles do shields now, shield extenders got buffed. Armor plates got buffed, so armor repper is better. Sentinels got buffed, so remotes were needed to kill them, and thus hives got buffed. Uplinks got buffed by allowing you to carry more). Also, with their slot load out which is higher than scouts, they have literally everything but speed and dampening better. I too can cherry pick examples to support my ill founded claim. Buffs to a suit that has moderate stats all around and pretending to cherry pick examples of how it's OP isn't helping your cause, it's just hurting it by making you look completely juvenile. You might want to shut up and let an adult argue your case for you kid, because you are only doing more damage to it. And I mean that in the kindest way. NO, iv used all the suits, and all proto or adv at one time or another. more recently tanks, scouts, and logis. I cant help you think your in the right. Your just ******, but hey its ok. CCP is laughing at this right now. I WILL WIN... DESTINY**
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 184	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:35:00 - [29] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: One thing to remember is that the scouts DON'T have any bonuses towards melee damage (no, the nova knife is not a melee weapon). The suits that stand to benefit the most seem to be the ones that do have bonuses to melee. I think one of the commando suits has this bonus. I don't remember, but definitely not the scouts. Also, it has been rather difficult to sneak up on people these days as a scout ever since the introduction of the concentric circles by CCP which heavily affected all EWAR scouts. What I see here is players who are just taken by surprise with this recent change. Give it some time and eventually you'll start seeing players figuring out how to counter this new change. What this has done is added a new layer to matches where verticality is now a major factor. The only scout suit which may stand to benefit from this would be the Amarr scout due to its bonuses towards stamina amount and regen. And since melee and jumping eats up stamina, the Amarr scout would have an advantage. But it has no bonus to melee. One of the heavy-frame suits do have bonus to melee. And a heavy is better off using it's EHP and HMG because it doesn't have the speed nor the stamina to make good use of its melee, and it's hit box while running at people doesn't help. Actually, IMHO, the heavy benefitted greatly from myofibs. You're now untouchable by RE's, the one thing that could kill you. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11136	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:36:00 - [30] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: One thing to remember is that the scouts DON'T have any bonuses towards melee damage (no, the nova knife is not a melee weapon). The suits that stand to benefit the most seem to be the ones that do have bonuses to melee. I think one of the commando suits has this bonus. I don't remember, but definitely not the scouts. Also, it has been rather difficult to sneak up on people these days as a scout ever since the introduction of the concentric circles by CCP which heavily affected all EWAR scouts. What I see here is players who are just taken by surprise with this recent change. Give it some time and eventually you'll start seeing players figuring out how to counter this new change. What this has done is added a new layer to matches where verticality is now a major factor. The only scout suit which may stand to benefit from this would be the Amarr scout due to its bonuses towards stamina amount and regen. And since melee and jumping eats up stamina, the Amarr scout would have an advantage. But it has no bonus to melee. One of the heavy-frame suits do have bonus to melee. And a heavy is better off using it's EHP and HMG because it doesn't have the speed nor the stamina to make good use of its melee, and it's hit box while running at people doesn't help. But what about the forge gunner in the video I linked? He was able to wreck a tank with the forge gun while jumping from below ground level to above the highest railing above ground level. He didn't use the blue bottles for the punches but rather for the jumping effect which helped him win against the tank that wasn't able to kill him. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11136	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:38:00 - [31] - Quote If anything, it's not the scouts that benefit the most from all this. It's the heavies. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2549	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:45:00 - [32] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. What fits are OP for scouts? Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP". Scouts haven't been good in a while. If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes. Scouts don't need situational awareness as they have it passively on radar. As well as better stats in every way possible short of EHP. And if you knew a thing about this game you'd know numbers and fit layouts don't tell you a thing about what is going on in game. Ask CCP, Ratatti himself has realized this. get gud scrub I agree Baal. Scouts are a case of many systems coming together to makes something that's significantly stronger than it looks on paper. On my alt of 40 million sp i have only two suits trained: GalScout and Mintenel. The GalScout performs as a very good scout scout, as a solid assault and as a make-do logi. The only suit it can't replace is the Heavy. I will add that i think part of the problem is the assault class itself, and by extension the basic medium frames. They've never received a proper treatment and the assault suit is not ye an assault suit. The ehp buff was expedient but did nothing to define a role for the suit. That will be only be accomplished when we have a rational set of role and racial based skill meant to make assaults, logis and basic frames what they should be. PSN: RationalSpark
HOLY PERFECTION Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 64	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:45:00 - [33] - Quote Could you explain more makin, because scouts have been a problem for a while now. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11140	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:59:00 - [34] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Could you explain more makin, because scouts have been a problem for a while now. EWAR for scouts has been nerfed a while due to the introduction concentric circles which affect scan precision based on distance along with a nerf the scan range in some way. Cloaking has been nerfed to include a firing delay after decloaking which effectively castrated shotgun-cloak users. Cloaks work against scouts within cities due to the blue shimmer effect and the contrasting dark areas that are all over the place especially in the orbital artillery outpost, gallente research facility, caldari production facility, and biomass facility. Also, the Minassault is almost able to marginalize the Minscout with its sprint speed and stamina recovery. Do you have any idea how embarrassing it is for me as a minja to have to struggle racing against a minassault? EDIT: PS: The backpedalling also affects the scouts. We can't backpedal as fast as we move forward either. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8443	Posted - 2015.03.13 05:01:00 - [35] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. Because EHP is such a horrible stat to have... And I am sure that new BPO module they just gave out for the event is much more conducive for shotgun and knife success than the HMGs... Quit acting like a poor heavy victim, you guys have been OP for longer than even scouts. Its never been scouts at the top of the OP PC kill lists, heavies had top 2. Don't be the Spkr of heavies. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7557	Posted - 2015.03.13 05:10:00 - [36] - Quote You guys couldn't be more wrong. Scout performance has taken quite the dive over the past few months, and I'm willing to bet their kill / spawn efficiency reaches UP levels this build. Scouts are out. They've been out. There's never been a better time to run Assault. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2141	Posted - 2015.03.13 05:21:00 - [37] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Could you explain more makin, because scouts have been a problem for a while now. Says who? You? Look how much attention this thread is getting. Remember the days when "Scouts are OP" threads would pull thousands of replies and tons of activity? It's a ghost town in here. Nobody cares. So either produce substantial evidence that scouts are overpowered, or be ignored. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2197	Posted - 2015.03.13 06:32:00 - [38] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. What fits are OP for scouts? Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP". Scouts haven't been good in a while. If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes. Scouts don't need situational awareness as they have it passively on radar. As well as better stats in every way possible short of EHP. And if you knew a thing about this game you'd know numbers and fit layouts don't tell you a thing about what is going on in game. Ask CCP, Ratatti himself has realized this. get gud scrub 1. Detection EWAR on scouts has been severely nerfed. It is better in every way to have a Gal Logi instead for the following reasons: a. Range>Scout b. Precision>Scout c. HP>Scout d. See directionals, while scout can't e. Non-buggy perma scan 2. 5% better biotics and 15% better eWAR while having ~30% of the HP of an assault seems completely legit to me. Id definitely rather have a 15% better bonus to the buggiest system short of melee hit detection and 5% more mobility than 30% more HP. (that was sarcasm) 3. Very true. This statement is also a counter argument to your above claims, and therefore I shall let you nullify your own points before I point out that this is the exact reason that scouts were castrated in the first place. 1. Which is why you see Gallogis everywhere and scouts have disappeared.... Oh wait, that's right, the FoTM crowd still runs scouts 90% of the time. Hmmm..... Where's that Gallogi spam at anyway, should be here any second right? 2. ~30% of the HP or ~30% less HP? You said both and one is blatantly false. And having 30% less HP in exchange for half the hit box in a high latency tracking shooter is more than a fair trade-off. 3. There is a difference between supposing an advantage by looking at a suit and it's numbers on a website and verifiable facts seen in game over and over and the numbers that back that up. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2197	Posted - 2015.03.13 06:36:00 - [39] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Scouts are OP? You couldn't be more wrong. Scout performance has taken a dive over the past few months, and I'm willing to bet their kill / spawn efficiency reaches UP levels this build. Scouts are out. They've been out. There's never been a better time to run Assault. PS: Scout passives are garbage compared to GalLogi 21db scans. If you want something for realsies OP to fuss about, this one's your best bet. Negligible risk, massive reward. Spammed in PC. Pubstomp staple. Call me when Gallogi slayers start to swarm the field in as great of numbers as we see scouts, even now after the 'castration'. Then I might agree. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7559	Posted - 2015.03.13 06:38:00 - [40] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Scouts are OP? You couldn't be more wrong. Scout performance has taken a dive over the past few months, and I'm willing to bet their kill / spawn efficiency reaches UP levels this build. Scouts are out. They've been out. There's never been a better time to run Assault. PS: Scout passives are garbage compared to GalLogi 21db scans. If you want something for realsies OP to fuss about, this one's your best bet. Negligible risk, massive reward. Spammed in PC. Pubstomp staple. Call me when Gallogi slayers start to swarm the field in as great of numbers as we see scouts, even now after the 'castration'. Then I might agree. Click dropsuits: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Almost there already. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8449	Posted - 2015.03.13 06:39:00 - [41] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Scouts are OP? You couldn't be more wrong. Scout performance has taken a dive over the past few months, and I'm willing to bet their kill / spawn efficiency reaches UP levels this build. Scouts are out. They've been out. There's never been a better time to run Assault. PS: Scout passives are garbage compared to GalLogi 21db scans. If you want something for realsies OP to fuss about, this one's your best bet. Negligible risk, massive reward. Spammed in PC. Pubstomp staple. Call me when Gallogi slayers start to swarm the field in as great of numbers as we see scouts, even now after the 'castration'. Then I might agree. Right, because Gal Logi scans don't help their blind heavy team mates slay at all... But those 200 - 300 HP scouts that had to stack damps and be as blind as a 1500 HP heavy to cloak up and beat the scans, they are super OP because they are soooo hard to kill... Its almost like you play several months behind everyone else and don't see all the Assaults and Heavies on the maps. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2197	Posted - 2015.03.13 06:43:00 - [42] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. Because EHP is such a horrible stat to have... And I am sure that new BPO module they just gave out for the event is much more conducive for shotgun and knife success than the HMGs... Quit acting like a poor heavy victim, you guys have been OP for longer than even scouts. Its never been scouts at the top of the OP PC kill lists, heavies had top 2. Don't be the Spkr of heavies. Umm... I've... Wut? I use a heavy suit about as often as I Spkr tries to PLC snipe the enemy MCC from his red line. (Really HOPING that never happens anyway...) Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2197	Posted - 2015.03.13 06:57:00 - [43] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Scouts are OP? You couldn't be more wrong. Scout performance has taken a dive over the past few months, and I'm willing to bet their kill / spawn efficiency reaches UP levels this build. Scouts are out. They've been out. There's never been a better time to run Assault. PS: Scout passives are garbage compared to GalLogi 21db scans. If you want something for realsies OP to fuss about, this one's your best bet. Negligible risk, massive reward. Spammed in PC. Pubstomp staple. Call me when Gallogi slayers start to swarm the field in as great of numbers as we see scouts, even now after the 'castration'. Then I might agree. Right, because Gal Logi scans don't help their blind heavy team mates slay at all... But those 200 - 300 HP scouts that had to stack damps and be as blind as a 1500 HP heavy to cloak up and beat the scans, they are super OP because they are soooo hard to kill... Its almost like you play several months behind everyone else and don't see all the Assaults and Heavies on the maps. Helping teammates in a squad based game is bad? Ok... Was not aware of that. The reason Ewar on scouts was went after in the first place was because it was just as easy to help allies as it was to slay as a lone wolf, and when given that option people will more often than not do so. If it becomes an issue with the Gallogi the same will happen to it. As it is, there's no hint if that happening. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7559	Posted - 2015.03.13 07:03:00 - [44] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: The reason Ewar on scouts was went after in the first place was because it was just as easy to help allies as it was to slay as a lone wolf, and when given that option people will more often than not do so. If it becomes an issue with the Gallogi the same will happen to it. As it is, there's no hint if that happening. Lol. The EWAR Scouts we deemed "OP" were no where near as effective as today's GalLogi's. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2197	Posted - 2015.03.13 07:05:00 - [45] - Quote Also my only real point in this thread was that I'm sick of every buff to % based modules effecting scouts far more positively than every other suit because it just leads to more nerfs. The reason they do is because their base stats are all higher 'cept for HP. You guys were the ones recoiling against a factual statement. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2197	Posted - 2015.03.13 07:07:00 - [46] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: The reason Ewar on scouts was went after in the first place was because it was just as easy to help allies as it was to slay as a lone wolf, and when given that option people will more often than not do so. If it becomes an issue with the Gallogi the same will happen to it. As it is, there's no hint if that happening. Lol. The EWAR Scouts we deemed "OP" were no where near as effective as today's GalLogi's. And yet the flood of Gallogis has yet to arrive... Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7559	Posted - 2015.03.13 07:08:00 - [47] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Also my only real point in this thread was that I'm sick of every buff to % based modules effecting scouts far more positively than every other suit because it just leads to more nerfs. The reason they do is because their base stats are all higher 'cept for HP. Scouts are on the losing end of the Myo deal. Assaults jump just as high and get to keep their HP buffer. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7559	Posted - 2015.03.13 07:09:00 - [48] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: The reason Ewar on scouts was went after in the first place was because it was just as easy to help allies as it was to slay as a lone wolf, and when given that option people will more often than not do so. If it becomes an issue with the Gallogi the same will happen to it. As it is, there's no hint if that happening. Lol. The EWAR Scouts we deemed "OP" were no where near as effective as today's GalLogi's. And yet the flood of Gallogis has yet to arrive... You only need one GalLogi to permascan an entire Ambush match for an entire team. Why spam multiple units when you only need one? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2549	Posted - 2015.03.13 07:15:00 - [49] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: The reason Ewar on scouts was went after in the first place was because it was just as easy to help allies as it was to slay as a lone wolf, and when given that option people will more often than not do so. If it becomes an issue with the Gallogi the same will happen to it. As it is, there's no hint if that happening. Lol. The EWAR Scouts we deemed "OP" were no where near as effective as today's GalLogi's. Running solo with a precision mod as a scout meant that the wallhack was strong with scouts. PSN: RationalSpark
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7559	Posted - 2015.03.13 07:18:00 - [50] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: The reason Ewar on scouts was went after in the first place was because it was just as easy to help allies as it was to slay as a lone wolf, and when given that option people will more often than not do so. If it becomes an issue with the Gallogi the same will happen to it. As it is, there's no hint if that happening. Lol. The EWAR Scouts we deemed "OP" were no where near as effective as today's GalLogi's. Running solo with a precision mod as a scout meant that the wallhack was strong with scouts. Not after cloakblind. Which EWAR Scout loadout do you have in mind? Put some numbers on that wallhack for me, then let's compare it to today's GalLogi. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2549	Posted - 2015.03.13 10:01:00 - [51] - Quote Who uses cloaks on assault scouts? And a scout is a far better fighting suit than a logi. I'm running a damped precision GalScout as an assault and with the exception of squads with a dedicated logi i don't have to worry about much and can usually see the flow of combat around me. PSN: RationalSpark
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2170	Posted - 2015.03.13 11:28:00 - [52] - Quote Oh hi there! Assault gal logi here with two scanners and 650 armour, damage mods, boundless cr amd core locus Did I forget to mention my triage hives? Scouts aren't op anymore dudes but they ain't 1.4 weak. Infact they maybe just right (part from amarr that sad little chode) I can get the same number of kills in my scouts but generally with more deaths than my assault suits. Or my smexy gal logi I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game RUST415 655	Posted - 2015.03.13 12:00:00 - [53] - Quote This really seems like a troll thread.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1014	Posted - 2015.03.13 12:10:00 - [54] - Quote ScR is OP says community. Min ass is OP says community. Scout is OP says community Swarms are OP says community Sentinel is OP says community HMG is OP says community. Hey.. you [community] have to decide. Whining about everything doesn't give anything. Just another trash thread on the list. Caldari Hero Loyal To The State Mejt0 Sale List
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7563	Posted - 2015.03.13 12:36:00 - [55] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: ScR is OP says community. Min ass is OP says community. Scout is OP says community Swarms are OP says community Sentinel is OP says community HMG is OP says community. Hey.. you [community] have to decide. Whining about everything doesn't give anything. Just another trash thread on the list. Balance doesn't just happen automatically. There are going to be overperforming and underperforming items to address until this machine becomes finely tuned. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1015	Posted - 2015.03.13 12:42:00 - [56] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Mejt0 wrote: ScR is OP says community. Min ass is OP says community. Scout is OP says community Swarms are OP says community Sentinel is OP says community HMG is OP says community. Hey.. you [community] have to decide. Whining about everything doesn't give anything. Just another trash thread on the list. Balance doesn't just happen automatically. There are going to be overperforming and underperforming items to address until this machine becomes finely tuned. Yes. But for them everyrhing OP. It's not just one or two thing. It's everything. When player is good uisng X and gets a big score.. then X is OP cuz it's totally not the player, right? [sarcasm] Caldari Hero Loyal To The State Mejt0 Sale List
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7563	Posted - 2015.03.13 13:18:00 - [57] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Who uses cloaks on assault scouts? And a scout is a far better fighting suit than a logi. I'm running a damped precision GalScout as an assault and with the exception of squads with a dedicated logi i don't have to worry about much and can usually see the flow of combat around me. An Assault Scout? Now I'm hesitant to believe you. Zatara assured us that these don't exist back when we were all discussing the reasons why to replace the high-risk / low-reward 250HP Recon Scouts with today's low-risk / high-reward GalLogis. "The real problem with Scouts has always been their 360 wallhacks ... Assault Lite doesn't even exist; that was all made up by the Barbershop ... the real problem is the EWAR Scout trifecta ... let's buff Logi scan range." I put three Creodron shotgun blasts into a GalLogi yesterday before he finally ran out of HP and died. Find for me one EWAR Scout ever who could've taken that kind of abuse. Find for me one EWAR Scout ever who could permascan an entire Ambush match at 21dB for his entire team. But I digress. Let's talk about these scans of yours on your Assault GalScout with 1 cPE: Inner / Middle / Outer 6m / 15m / 30m 13dB / 26 dB / 34 dB Your scans aren't much different from my GalAssault + 1 cPE: Inner / Middle / Outer 6m / 15m / 30m 16dB / 32 dB / 42 dB We both see what we look at. We both see whatever's active scanned. We both see dampened units within 5m. We both see undampened units within 15m. The one major difference is that between 15m and 30m, you'll pick up undampened Assaults and I won't. Oh wait ... I will too, because undampened Assaults are constantly active scanned. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8466	Posted - 2015.03.13 18:39:00 - [58] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Mejt0 wrote: ScR is OP says community. Min ass is OP says community. Scout is OP says community Swarms are OP says community Sentinel is OP says community HMG is OP says community. Hey.. you [community] have to decide. Whining about everything doesn't give anything. Just another trash thread on the list. Balance doesn't just happen automatically. There are going to be overperforming and underperforming items to address until this machine becomes finely tuned. Yes. But for them everyrhing OP. It's not just one or two thing. It's everything. When player is good uisng X and gets a big score.. then X is OP cuz it's totally not the player, right? [sarcasm] Community is always going to have a disagreement based upon individual biases, observations, and just plain human error/flaws. No one expects it to be the end all be all feedback channel, however, when you combine it with more objective data, they can be used in conjunction to come to a better balance. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3161	Posted - 2015.03.13 18:47:00 - [59] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Scouts are really overpowered. Actually, they have been since the cloak came out. Now... CCP adds steroids to the game! Shotgunners are jumping onto platforms 10 Meters high now. Shotguns are a two shot kill from 7-10 Meters away, and the hit box is messed up. Come on, really CCP. I am curious, what exactly is the purpose or role a scout has. Because it certainly cannot be killing everything on the game. If i wanted that i could go play COD. Pull on a clingy pair of Amarr scout undies, and report back... Because that rig is a penalty box. KDR matchmaking fixes everything but the stupid purple Quafe stuff.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3161	Posted - 2015.03.13 18:50:00 - [60] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Mejt0 wrote: ScR is OP says community. Min ass is OP says community. Scout is OP says community Swarms are OP says community Sentinel is OP says community HMG is OP says community. Hey.. you [community] have to decide. Whining about everything doesn't give anything. Just another trash thread on the list. Balance doesn't just happen automatically. There are going to be overperforming and underperforming items to address until this machine becomes finely tuned. You could have automatic balance on practically everything in the game overnight, if apples met apples. KDR matchmaking fixes everything but the stupid purple Quafe stuff.

JAKE REDBLOOD T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 55	Posted - 2015.03.13 19:05:00 - [61] - Quote Omg, people still complain about scouts hahahah, they're so squishy anyway. Get gud scrub My YouTube Channel
HOLY PERFECTION Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 70	Posted - 2015.03.13 21:25:00 - [62] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Mejt0 wrote: ScR is OP says community. Min ass is OP says community. Scout is OP says community Swarms are OP says community Sentinel is OP says community HMG is OP says community. Hey.. you [community] have to decide. Whining about everything doesn't give anything. Just another trash thread on the list. Balance doesn't just happen automatically. There are going to be overperforming and underperforming items to address until this machine becomes finely tuned. You could have automatic balance on practically everything in the game overnight, if apples met apples. Ha...thats funny because i agree with everythink you say. Everything on that list is OP. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 737	Posted - 2015.03.13 23:48:00 - [63] - Quote JAKE REDBLOOD wrote: Omg, people still complain about scouts hahahah, they're so squishy anyway. Get gud scrub The irony.
BrutorDestructor Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2015.03.15 01:57:00 - [64] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: The reason Ewar on scouts was went after in the first place was because it was just as easy to help allies as it was to slay as a lone wolf, and when given that option people will more often than not do so. If it becomes an issue with the Gallogi the same will happen to it. As it is, there's no hint if that happening. Lol. The EWAR Scouts we deemed "OP" were no where near as effective as today's GalLogi's. Lol you mean those EWAR cal scouts that could 360 wallhack perma scan everyone Except a 4 dampened gal scout 85 meters out with no cool down
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7645	Posted - 2015.03.15 04:16:00 - [65] - Quote BrutorDestructor wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: The reason Ewar on scouts was went after in the first place was because it was just as easy to help allies as it was to slay as a lone wolf, and when given that option people will more often than not do so. If it becomes an issue with the Gallogi the same will happen to it. As it is, there's no hint if that happening. Lol. The EWAR Scouts we deemed "OP" were no where near as effective as today's GalLogi's. Lol you mean those EWAR cal scouts that could 360 wallhack perma scan everyone Except a 4 dampened gal scout 85 meters out with no cool down Those are interesting numbers. Where'd you pull them from? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9124	Posted - 2015.03.15 04:41:00 - [66] - Quote I'm honestly just fed up seeing entire teams of Scouts in Pub Matches just auto-win. There's really nothing you can do about them. Scans don't work because all Scouts can get underneath even the best active scanners, they move so fast they basically dodge bullets (which is sillier than Myrofibril jumps), and then you have the fact that just about all of their weapons have such high alpha damage that there's nothing you can do unless you're conveniently facing them when you're being shot. So then CCP listened to the Nova Knifer whiners over in The Barbershop, who basically grabbed pitchforks anytime anyone had a differing opinion, and nerfed backward movement speed saying "it doesn't make sense" / "other FPS games" / and "nova knifers don't like it". But alas, here we are, trying to shoot these little bastards who strafe so quickly that bullets just phase through them. Don't see a 15% reduction to strafe speed across the board, oh no, no-one in The Barbershop asked for it so it ain't gonna happen. I'm sure they'll instantly take off in popularity in PC now that HMGs got nerfed and a year from now someone will finally get around to looking at the Data, see the extreme favor toward their use, and suddenly get the bright idea that maybe they're a little too good. Or I could just be insane, need to "stop scrubbin and git gud", and just accept the fact that this is the permanent meta. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7645	Posted - 2015.03.15 04:51:00 - [67] - Quote Can't tell you the last time I saw more Scouts than Assaults in any match. Probably pre-falloff. Is the fantasy above a pre-falloff fantasy, Aeon? Today, you have everything you need to get away from a shotgunner or nova knifer consistently, even when they get the drop on you, even when they do everything right. All you have to do fit a precision enhancer, pay attention and leap away when one gets into range. That's why Scout performance is going to tank this build, and Assault performance is going to continue to climb. PS: The vast majority of Barbershop would support inertia and put end to wiggle-wiggle; most there have been anti-wiggle for as long as there's been wiggle. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 9128	Posted - 2015.03.15 05:18:00 - [68] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Can't tell you the last time I saw more Scouts than Assaults in any match. Probably pre-falloff. Is the fantasy above a pre-falloff fantasy, Aeon? Ever since Falloff, the majority of the infamous "scout players" have been running Assaults just as often as than run Scout. Now -- with Echo -- they've all the more reason to run Assault. Today, you have everything you need to get away from a shotgunner or nova knifer consistently, even when they get the drop on you, even when they do everything right. All you have to do fit a precision enhancer and a couple myofibs, pay attention and leap away when one gets into range. That's why I'm willing to bet that Scout performance and usage rates are both going to tank this build. Assaults, on the other hand, their performance and usage rates (which were both already higher than Scouts) will continue to climb. What do you suspect will happen next? PS: The vast majority of Barbershop supports inertia; most there have been anti-wiggle for as long as there's been wiggle; the record is very clear should you ever care to actually read it. Go watch my most recent 'Past Broadcasts' video on Twitch livestream if you honestly need proof and are so blind as to have never seen more scouts than assaults. And I really don't care what the Barbershop supports - whatever it is they're likely not going to listen to what anyone else has to say about the matter and I don't play one-sided arguments. In fact, just because they support 'inertia' I'm about willing to argue against it just because I know that the only reason they support it in any 'vast majority' scope is because it somehow benefits Scouts. So that being said, I recant my statement about the reduction in strafe speed. Keep it the way it is. Permanently. EDIT: Allow me to re-iterate. If I had my way, The Barbershop would be permanently locked, deleted, and all attempts to re-create it given the same treatment. It is literally the scum of the forums and there is absolutely nothing beneficial that will ever come from it. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7645	Posted - 2015.03.15 05:29:00 - [69] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: EDIT: Allow me to re-iterate. If I had my way, The Barbershop would be permanently locked, deleted, and all attempts to re-create it given the same treatment. It is literally the scum of the forums and there is absolutely nothing beneficial that will ever come from it. That's absurd, Aeon. There's nothing there but dedicated players just like you, a 'bit of lore, and a bunch smarts and spreadsheets. If you so loathe Scouts you should be a fan of the Barbershop; the vast majority of Scouts nerfs since Uprising 1.8 were conceived in that very thread. If ever actually read the thread, you'd know that. What bad thing has the Barbershop done and does that bad thing really warrant a perma-ban? Aeon Amadi wrote: Go watch my most recent 'Past Broadcasts' video on Twitch livestream if you honestly need proof and are so blind as to have never seen more scouts than assaults. I watched your melee broadcast. What I observed was a moderately talented player posting exceptional scores, match after match, thanks to a heavily armored and myofibbed Assault. Scouts have been far less numerous than Assaults since December of last year: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php And just wait until that graph reflects data from Echo; the Scouts you so loathe are unhealthy. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2569	Posted - 2015.03.15 05:36:00 - [70] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Allow me to re-iterate. If I had my way, The Barbershop would be permanently locked, deleted, and all attempts to re-create it given the same treatment. It is literally the scum of the forums and there is absolutely nothing beneficial that will ever come from it. That's some pretty serious salt there. People find this this review helpful!

BrutorDestructor Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2015.03.15 14:51:00 - [71] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: BrutorDestructor wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: The reason Ewar on scouts was went after in the first place was because it was just as easy to help allies as it was to slay as a lone wolf, and when given that option people will more often than not do so. If it becomes an issue with the Gallogi the same will happen to it. As it is, there's no hint if that happening. Lol. The EWAR Scouts we deemed "OP" were no where near as effective as today's GalLogi's. Lol you mean those EWAR cal scouts that could 360 wallhack perma scan everyone Except a 4 dampened gal scout 85 meters out with no cool down Those are interesting numbers. Here are some real numbers: The EWAR CalScout we nerfed scanned at a maximum of 20dB; the GalLogi scans at 21dB, at far longer ranges and shares results team-wide. The EWAR CalScout we nerfed earned no WP for recon assists, did not dampen (so it could fit range amps), and had to be decloaked or its scan range was reduced by 85%. CalScouts fit for Recon weighed in at 250HP; far too squishy to "defend itself " while running recon for its squad. It met the definition of high-risk. What's the max HP on a GalLogi who's rapidfiring team-wide scans from 200m out? No need to defend its self the three amarr heavies in their squad with 360 Prema scan shared passive with a logi on their asses does all the defending the cal didn't recon it sat in the middle of the squad scanning 85 meters out
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 143	Posted - 2015.03.15 14:55:00 - [72] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I'm honestly just fed up seeing entire teams of Scouts in Pub Matches just auto-win. There's really nothing you can do about them. Scans don't work because all Scouts can get underneath even the best active scanners, they move so fast they basically dodge bullets (which is sillier than Myrofibril jumps), and then you have the fact that just about all of their weapons have such high alpha damage that there's nothing you can do unless you're conveniently facing them when you're being shot. So then CCP listened to the Nova Knifer whiners over in The Barbershop, who basically grabbed pitchforks anytime anyone had a differing opinion, and nerfed backward movement speed saying "it doesn't make sense" / "other FPS games" / and "nova knifers don't like it". But alas, here we are, trying to shoot these little bastards who strafe so quickly that bullets just phase through them. Don't see a 15% reduction to strafe speed across the board, oh no, no-one in The Barbershop asked for it so it ain't gonna happen. I'm sure they'll instantly take off in popularity in PC now that HMGs got nerfed and a year from now someone will finally get around to looking at the Data, see the extreme favor toward their use, and suddenly get the bright idea that maybe they're a little too good. Or I could just be insane, need to "stop scrubbin and git gud", and just accept the fact that this is the permanent meta. I don't know what game you are playing, everytime I get near someone to knife them they just so happen to turn around and "Oh hello! BAM" and I'm dead. Also, I don't even move that fast on a min scout because I'm too busy trying to hide from your mother freaking Gal Logi scans so I put damps on it I can't tell you how many times I've strafed someone in a min scout while shooting at them with any gun and died right away. It takes about two to three shots to kill a 250HP scout TritusX
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 505	Posted - 2015.03.15 15:05:00 - [73] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Yet you don't seem to be complaining about heavies being able to do this... https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/576177982231957504 You seem to single out the scouts over all other suits that can do the same thing. Imagine a forge gunner jumping so high to wreck a tank driver's day. Oh wait... you don't have to imagine. Just watch the video and see for yourself. Imagine commandos or assault suits doing the same thing. I'll just leave this here Baal Omniscient wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: So we buffed scouts and alpha damage weapons/RE's by reducing everyone's backpedaling speed.... And then buff them again in the same patch with Myofibs, basically at least doubling their versatility... Not to mention flying cloakers will be at least 50% more irritating to shoot at , or even see, than regular ones. I would just like to know why. Why is it that every patch has to come along with more amazing stuff for the one class that already has everything going in its favor short of EHP? Just waiting for the day the devs say 'f' it and give scouts sentinel EHP and resistances, should be any day now.... Edit: Sorry, my bitter vet syndrome is acting up lately. Dude seriously? All it is a simple increase to jump height. Stop crying for real and skill into it. It's super fun trust in that, I'm only level 1 in that mod but still love it. And I hope you know that we scouts will be even more fragile. And it's not hard to counter the jump. Just aim where they will fall and fire Haven't even tried it yet, my internet has been down. Posting from my phone. As far as crying, it's hard to cry about something I haven't experienced, just basing my remarks off of all of them I've seen. Scroll through this thread alone and tell me this isn't a massive buff to scouts. Not only do they have every advantage short of EHP, they gain the largest boost from every module that effects the stats they are superior in since all of the modules that affect the stats they are superior in are % based. Since melee is useless unless you get close enough to use it, scouts have the best chance of benifiting from every part of this module. Think it through. I'm just tired of every buff being better for scouts than anyone else, it only ever leads to the need for more nerfs and those nerfs are almost always a long time coming. I really think it's time I left this game altogether, there's never going to be any kind of fun in this game for me if cheap BS keeps proliferating and everything CCP does just seems to keep encouraging it more with every patch. (-_- ) What do you speak of my caldari scout is **** now 15% bonus sucks. Caldari Loyalist. buff swarms... D
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7656	Posted - 2015.03.15 15:06:00 - [74] - Quote BrutorDestructor wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: BrutorDestructor wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: The reason Ewar on scouts was went after in the first place was because it was just as easy to help allies as it was to slay as a lone wolf, and when given that option people will more often than not do so. If it becomes an issue with the Gallogi the same will happen to it. As it is, there's no hint if that happening. Lol. The EWAR Scouts we deemed "OP" were no where near as effective as today's GalLogi's. Lol you mean those EWAR cal scouts that could 360 wallhack perma scan everyone Except a 4 dampened gal scout 85 meters out with no cool down Those are interesting numbers. Here are some real numbers: The EWAR CalScout we nerfed scanned at a maximum of 20dB; the GalLogi scans at 21dB, at far longer ranges and shares results team-wide. The EWAR CalScout we nerfed earned no WP for recon assists, did not dampen (so it could fit range amps), and had to be decloaked or its scan range was reduced by 85%. CalScouts fit for Recon weighed in at 250HP; far too squishy to "defend itself " while running recon for its squad. It met the definition of high-risk. What's the max HP on a GalLogi who's rapidfiring team-wide scans from 200m out? No need to defend its self the three amarr heavies in their squad with 360 Prema scan shared passive with a logi on their asses does all the defending the cal didn't recon it sat in the middle of the squad scanning 85 meters out You're right. The CalScout's always-on scans were a problem. But we didn't solve the problem with Falloff; we simply replaced 20 dB always-on squad scans with 21dB always-on team scans. And for the record, that 250HP CalScout was a piece of cake to take out. 1/4 of 1 second of SCR fire 1/4 of 1 second of HMG fire 1/3 of 1 second of Fine Rifle fire 1 shotgun blast 1 bolt pistol round 1 locus nade 1 sniper round What's the max HP on a GalLogi again? The one who's rapidfiring team-wide 21dB scans from 200m out? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
logan turnbull Glitched Connection 6	Posted - 2015.03.15 15:10:00 - [75] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: QQ something with 1/10th my HP killed me because i didn't use my spacial awareness QQ Yeah know what you mean my spidy sense never goes off in time. lets roll
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8524	Posted - 2015.03.15 16:47:00 - [76] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: EDIT: Allow me to re-iterate. If I had my way, The Barbershop would be permanently locked, deleted, and all attempts to re-create it given the same treatment. It is literally the scum of the forums and there is absolutely nothing beneficial that will ever come from it. You know, by and large I have thought you to be a reasonable and sensible player. I get that perhaps there was a bit of conflict when you visited, but that isn't any different than anyone. We behave that way with each other. I think it speaks poorly that you show so much vehemence for a group that is no more or less flawed than any other. I think it extreme, immature, and exceeding whatever perceived wrong to you for you to call for the deletion and removal of a whole group of people from the forums. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 509	Posted - 2015.03.15 16:47:00 - [77] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. What fits are OP for scouts? Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP". Scouts haven't been good in a while. If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes. Says every person that pretends they can deal with scouts, but are really just as bad or play a scout and therefore defend the OP mechanic. Every effing game there is a scout that easily gets his kills when you are already having to deal with another player or simply looking and running one direction with zero peripheral vision. Add frame drop and alpha damage and that sad arguement of situation awareness falls apart. Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8527	Posted - 2015.03.15 16:53:00 - [78] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Or, in short, since every module that effects a stat that scout suits have an advantage in are % based, every buff to % based modules is a bigger buff to scouts than everyone else. Add in their hitbox and extra equipment slot, what is a scouts weakness apart from it's EHP? Because every other suit has several by comparison. What fits are OP for scouts? Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP". Scouts haven't been good in a while. If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes. Says every person that pretends they can deal with scouts, but are really just as bad or play a scout and therefore defend the OP mechanic. Every effing game there is a scout that easily gets his kills when you are already having to deal with another player or simply looking and running one direction with zero peripheral vision. Add frame drop and alpha damage and that sad arguement of situation awareness falls apart. Archie has actually switch from Scout to Assault as has much of the slayer community. EHP is the most massive disadvantage in the game, particularly when Assaults can compete with Scouts on Speed and EWAR now and have two or three times the HP. In game numbers are showing this, and I am confident when Rattati looks at his numbers in the short to medium term, the objective data will say that Scouts are not OP, and may even be somewhat UP, particularly for non Gal Scout races. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
BrutorDestructor Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2015.03.15 19:20:00 - [79] - Quote You're right. The CalScout's always-on scans were a problem. But we didn't solve the problem with Falloff. We replaced 20dB always-on scans with lower-risk / higher-reward 21dB always-on team scans. And for the record, that 250HP CalScout was a piece of cake to take out. 1/4 of 1 second of SCR fire 1/4 of 1 second of HMG fire 1/3 of 1 second of Fine Rifle fire 1 shotgun blast 1 bolt pistol round 1 locus nade 1 sniper round What's the max HP on a GalLogi again? The one who's rapidfiring team-wide 21dB scans from 200m out?[/quote] Never said that it was hard to kill them and if you want to get technical I could make a gal logi just as weak as cal scout by not stacking plates but that not the point you said that the EWAR the calscout of old had nowhere near the effectiveness of today's gal logi and I disagree for the reasons I have stated because gal scans have cool downs gals logi scans haven't been 360 degrees since the scanerina days the cals scans had no cool down was 360 degrees
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7662	Posted - 2015.03.15 19:51:00 - [80] - Quote BrutorDestructor wrote: ... because gal scans have cool downs GalLogi + Creodron Flux (12 sec visibility, 30 sec cooldown) 0 seconds - Scanner 1 fires 12 seconds- Scanner 2 fires 24 seconds- Scanner 3 fires 30 seconds- Scanner 1 ready 36 seconds- Scanner 1 fires 42 seconds- Scanner 2 ready 3 scanners needed to permascan 200m / 90-¦ at 21dB * results shared team-wide GalLogi + Creodron (7.5 sec visibility, 15 sec cooldown) 0 seconds - Scanner 1 fires 7.5 seconds- Scanner 2 fires 15 seconds- Scanner 1 ready 15 seconds- Scanner 1 fires 22.5 seconds- Scanner 2 ready 22.5 seconds- Scanner 2 fires 2 scanners needed to permascan 100m / 60-¦ at 21 dB * results shared team-wide GalLogi + Proximity (15 sec visibility, 10 sec cooldown) 0 seconds- Scanner 1 fires 10 seconds- Scanner 1 ready 15 seconds- Scanner 1 fires 1 scanner needed to permascan 60m / 45-¦ at 21 dB * results shared team-wide GalLogi + Quantum (30 sec visibility, 40 sec cooldown) 0 seconds - Scanner 1 fires 30 seconds- Scanner 2 fires 40 seconds- Scanner 1 ready 60 seconds- Scanner 1 fires 70 seconds- Scanner 2 ready 2 scanners needed to permascan 100m / 60-¦ at 21 dB * results shared team-wide Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 3193	Posted - 2015.03.15 20:27:00 - [81] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: gyjy7iu5 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: One thing to remember is that the scouts DON'T have any bonuses towards melee damage (no, the nova knife is not a melee weapon). The suits that stand to benefit the most seem to be the ones that do have bonuses to melee. I think one of the commando suits has this bonus. I don't remember, but definitely not the scouts. Also, it has been rather difficult to sneak up on people these days as a scout ever since the introduction of the concentric circles by CCP which heavily affected all EWAR scouts. What I see here is players who are just taken by surprise with this recent change. Give it some time and eventually you'll start seeing players figuring out how to counter this new change. What this has done is added a new layer to matches where verticality is now a major factor. The only scout suit which may stand to benefit from this would be the Amarr scout due to its bonuses towards stamina amount and regen. And since melee and jumping eats up stamina, the Amarr scout would have an advantage. But it has no bonus to melee. One of the heavy-frame suits do have bonus to melee. No this is a long going problem, i could barely counter them before. But now it is just ridiculous. How are you not able to counter? He can not correctly choose a name and thus used headsmash. Do you really believe he knows how to turn around? I run all roles in this game. (Mainly Assault/Scout) I can confirm scouts are not OP, nowhere near it. HP Heavy - Assault - Logi - Scout Scan Logi - Scout - Assault - Heavy Easy to use: Heavy - Assault - Logi/Scout. To Holy, Logis still have more HP than scouts, have more EQ, Bandwidth, and so forth. They are superior to Scouts in almost every way. - Raven *My PLC is named 'God's Wrath'* Why? *It strikes you from the Heavens and sends you to Hell.*
Gemini Cuspid 134	Posted - 2015.03.15 21:27:00 - [82] - Quote I'd be objective and actually be curious offer some of the hard percentages but for those who are complaining scouts are not over powered in some dimension, then the problem is really this programming issue of mathematics; they derive the greatest advantages overall from detection and hit box range while also offering a higher degree of versatility and increasing the overall dimensional aspect of the hitbox and targeting. In other words for the less scientifically inclined but more cinema inclined, you have heavies represented by the terminator and medium frames as filled by any WW2 soldier and now you have scouts as seen by Keanu Reeves in the Matrix. When the scouts hit box now has to include all dimension above mere rabbit jumping and strafing and now include the ability to jump 5 meters then yes THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM OF THE GAME. It also changes the dynamics of game play where if you can jump into a room throwing 5 mass drivers and plasma without having to worry about the splash effect damage until you land then you're kind of silently admitting that the walls of New Edan are a meter or 2 too short for warfare. Heavies always had that problem of armor and heavy weapons resulting in range, numbers or sneakiness with a shotgun to take down. Logis and Assaults just had standard performance all around. Scouts should always have been delegated with superior manuevering and speed with the lowest detection and minimized hitbox ensuring that even with thin armor weapons had to really hit their mark to get a kill. Once you add the "hey I can jump over a wall and kill with a mass/plasma/grenades/flaylocks and you can catch up to me because of a wall" then you really can't defend the argument that this is actually a perfect game balancing situation. And for you longtime vets, we dont even have to go into how some certain class got a nice bonus in the equipment slot; adding just 1 equipment slot to any class is just a significant boost period.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11150	Posted - 2015.03.15 21:28:00 - [83] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: To Holy, Logis still have more HP than scouts, have more EQ, Bandwidth, and so forth. They are superior to Scouts in almost every way. - Raven As an example to this, just look at the Minmatar medium and heavy suits. I have cross trained into Minmatar Assaults and Minmatar Sentinels and I was surprised by how fast they can run for their size. Their stamina is not that problematic either. Not only that, some medium frames have a massive slot advantage over the scouts. Then there is fall damage to account for and I am seeing more and more YouTube videos featuring medium suits being the principle users of the blue bottles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqCR8_E64Vc&index=13&list=PLk8RCHiu-6X3eFAt--yfMwBlPt8yswfW5 On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8533	Posted - 2015.03.15 21:42:00 - [84] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: I'd be objective and actually be curious offer some of the hard percentages but for those who are complaining scouts are not over powered in some dimension, then the problem is really this programming issue of mathematics; they derive the greatest advantages overall from detection and hit box range while also offering a higher degree of versatility and increasing the overall dimensional aspect of the hitbox and targeting. In other words for the less scientifically inclined but more cinema inclined, you have heavies represented by the terminator and medium frames as filled by any WW2 soldier and now you have scouts as seen by Keanu Reeves in the Matrix. When the scouts hit box now has to include all dimension above mere rabbit jumping and strafing and now include the ability to jump 5 meters then yes THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM OF THE GAME. It also changes the dynamics of game play where if you can jump into a room throwing 5 mass drivers and plasma without having to worry about the splash effect damage until you land then you're kind of silently admitting that the walls of New Edan are a meter or 2 too short for warfare. Heavies always had that problem of armor and heavy weapons resulting in range, numbers or sneakiness with a shotgun to take down. Logis and Assaults just had standard performance all around. Scouts should always have been delegated with superior manuevering and speed with the lowest detection and minimized hitbox ensuring that even with thin armor weapons had to really hit their mark to get a kill. Once you add the "hey I can jump over a wall and kill with a mass/plasma/grenades/flaylocks and you can catch up to me because of a wall" then you really can't defend the argument that this is actually a perfect game balancing situation. And for you longtime vets, we dont even have to go into how some certain class got a nice bonus in the equipment slot; adding just 1 equipment slot to any class is just a significant boost period. So your argument is that Scouts who use Myos are more of a problem? If they are doing it, they are sacrificing shields to be able to do so. If they tank at all, they are sacrficing dampening. If they dampen, then they have no HP mods, or nearly no HP mods, and are going to be around 300 HP, if they are lucky. Assaults on the other hand, can stack Myos, AND dampen to be have a lower scan profile than the scouts that aren't max dampened, and possibly even have some KinCats and can run as fast as a Scout too. If you have problems killing scouts now, you are just bad. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
HOLY PERFECTION Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 76	Posted - 2015.03.15 22:29:00 - [85] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: To Holy, Logis still have more HP than scouts, have more EQ, Bandwidth, and so forth. They are superior to Scouts in almost every way. - Raven As an example to this, just look at the Minmatar medium and heavy suits. I have cross trained into Minmatar Assaults and Minmatar Sentinels and I was surprised by how fast they can run for their size. Their stamina is not that problematic either. Not only that, some medium frames have a massive slot advantage over the scouts. Then there is fall damage to account for and I am seeing more and more YouTube videos featuring medium suits being the principle users of the blue bottles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqCR8_E64Vc&index=13&list=PLk8RCHiu-6X3eFAt--yfMwBlPt8yswfW5 - Raven Yes your right to a certain extent. Scouts move too fast, to where the hitbox cannot keep up, or they jump to high. So it doent matter how much ehp you have if a gal scout strafs and all the bullets miss. However, the theory is that the more ehlp you have, you will win. Not the case when the game engine is outdated, and the game has bugs. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 645	Posted - 2015.03.16 00:43:00 - [86] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: And I really don't care what the Barbershop supports - whatever it is they're likely not going to listen to what anyone else has to say about the matter and I don't play one-sided arguments. In fact, just because they support 'inertia' I'm about willing to argue against it just because I know that the only reason they support it in any 'vast majority' scope is because it somehow benefits Scouts. So that being said, I recant my statement about the reduction in strafe speed. Keep it the way it is. Permanently. EDIT: Allow me to re-iterate. If I had my way, The Barbershop would be permanently locked, deleted, and all attempts to re-create it given the same treatment. It is literally the scum of the forums and there is absolutely nothing beneficial that will ever come from it. Wow... after all those people in Barbershop rooted for you and defended you. I am shocked at the backstab. -1 I'm dissappointed. Know what cannot be known.
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2185	Posted - 2015.03.16 01:30:00 - [87] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I'm honestly just fed up seeing entire teams of Scouts in Pub Matches just auto-win. There's really nothing you can do about them. Scans don't work because all Scouts can get underneath even the best active scanners, they move so fast they basically dodge bullets (which is sillier than Myrofibril jumps), and then you have the fact that just about all of their weapons have such high alpha damage that there's nothing you can do unless you're conveniently facing them when you're being shot. So then CCP listened to the Nova Knifer whiners over in The Barbershop, who basically grabbed pitchforks anytime anyone had a differing opinion, and nerfed backward movement speed saying "it doesn't make sense" / "other FPS games" / and "nova knifers don't like it". But alas, here we are, trying to shoot these little bastards who strafe so quickly that bullets just phase through them. Don't see a 15% reduction to strafe speed across the board, oh no, no-one in The Barbershop asked for it so it ain't gonna happen. I'm sure they'll instantly take off in popularity in PC now that HMGs got nerfed and a year from now someone will finally get around to looking at the Data, see the extreme favor toward their use, and suddenly get the bright idea that maybe they're a little too good. Or I could just be insane, need to "stop scrubbin and git gud", and just accept the fact that this is the permanent meta. I can do this too, watch: I'm honestly just fed up seeing entire teams of Assaults in Pub Matches just auto-win. There's really nothing you can do about them. Guns don't work because all Assaults can get ridiculous amounts of HP, they move so fast they basically dodge bullets (which is sillier than Myrofibril jumps), and then you have the fact that just about all of their weapons have such long range that there's nothing you can do unless you conveniently get the jump on them. So then CCP listened to the assault whiners over in GD, who basically grabbed pitchforks anytime anyone had a differing opinion, and buffed assaults saying "assaults should be bread and butter" / "they're not good enough" / and "scouts are OP". But alas, here we are, trying to shoot these bastards who tank so hard that you can't kill them. Don't see an eHP reduction across the board, oh no, no-one in GD asked for it so it ain't gonna happen. I'm sure they'll instantly take off in popularity in PC now that HMGs got nerfed and a year from now someone will finally get around to looking at the Data, see the extreme favor toward their use, and suddenly get the bright idea that maybe they're a little too good. Or I could just be insane, need to "stop scrubbin and git gud", and just accept the fact that this is the permanent meta. I could do one for heavies and logis too. If you want one for commandos it'll cost you extra. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5425	Posted - 2015.03.16 01:40:00 - [88] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: EDIT: Allow me to re-iterate. If I had my way, The Barbershop would be permanently locked, deleted, and all attempts to re-create it given the same treatment. It is literally the scum of the forums and there is absolutely nothing beneficial that will ever come from it. It's a little odd hearing that from someone who pushed for ISDs so fervently in the past. Is the Barbershop not an example of a group of players discussing in a (well mostly) organized fashion about an aspect of the game they care about? If anything we should have MORE groups like the Barbershop for other groups within the game. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2359	Posted - 2015.03.16 02:04:00 - [89] - Quote Lol. Scouts are op nerf scouts. Bad players will always be bad. Min Assault has replaced my : Gal Scout uplink fit, infantry plasma fit, av plasma fit, and my sniper fit Gal Assault ARR has replaced my : (though I will still run a burst ar for quick hit and runs) My current scout fits: SG fit NK fit (becoming rare burst ar fit) I could probably run min assault with a sg or gal assault with a sg But I'm keeping my og sg fit no matter what Tldr: scouts are op which explains exactly why I have switched so many of my fits to assault fits. /s getgud scrubs that still think scouts are op No Safety Net. TLDR : XD
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 217	Posted - 2015.03.16 22:21:00 - [90] - Quote If you think scouts are better than assaults in any way, you're bad, and a wanna be pubstar. ^^Worst insult I could think of With Gallogi perma scans, there is no reason to be a scout at all. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7769	Posted - 2015.03.16 22:23:00 - [91] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: With Gallogi perma scans, there is no reason to be a scout at all. Gonna disagree with you here; 21dB permascan is one of the few good reasons to run Scout. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
FLAYLOCK Steve Kinsho Swords Caldari State 510	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:42:00 - [92] - Quote I fail to see how scouts are OP
HOLY PERFECTION molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 77	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:44:00 - [93] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: I fail to see how scouts are OP You go on every post and try to punk people who think scouts are OP. I read your previous posts, you are probably a scout yourself. I see what your doing. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
FLAYLOCK Steve Kinsho Swords Caldari State 511	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:53:00 - [94] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: I fail to see how scouts are OP You go on every post and try to punk people who think scouts are OP. I read your previous posts, you are probably a scout yourself. I see what your doing. Actually I am, what are you? An assault? Heavy? What. See, I mostly run dren suits, and I usually run my scout suit. Why? Assaults are boring, very low risk easy wins. Heavy pretty much just point and clicking. Only two roles I enjoy are scouts and logis bbecause they are the hardest to use. Scouts are fun, but hard. They have barely any HP, they get killed fast with just 1/3 of any clip in the game. So again how are they OP? Let me guess, you probably have no situational awareness, you're used to just pointing and clicking your way onto the win button. When someone gets you from behind its must be OP? Makes perfect sense, if they're so OP, join our ranks and enjoy your 4-8 kd. Trust me, at first I was bad with scouts especially after leaving dust for nearly a year and coming back.
HOLY PERFECTION molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 77	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:55:00 - [95] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: I fail to see how scouts are OP You go on every post and try to punk people who think scouts are OP. I read your previous posts, you are probably a scout yourself. I see what your doing. Actually I am, what are you? An assault? Heavy? What. See, I mostly run dren suits, and I usually run my scout suit. Why? Assaults are boring, very low risk easy wins. Heavy pretty much just point and clicking. Only two roles I enjoy are scouts and logis bbecause they are the hardest to use. Scouts are fun, but hard. They have barely any HP, they get killed fast with just 1/3 of any clip in the game. So again how are they OP? Let me guess, you probably have no situational awareness, you're used to just pointing and clicking your way onto the win button. When someone gets you from behind its must be OP? Like i said, they move/jump to fast and high. No weapon can hit em and the hit detection is off. And P.s i have ran all suits, but i love logis and tanks. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
FLAYLOCK Steve Kinsho Swords Caldari State 511	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:03:00 - [96] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: I fail to see how scouts are OP You go on every post and try to punk people who think scouts are OP. I read your previous posts, you are probably a scout yourself. I see what your doing. Actually I am, what are you? An assault? Heavy? What. See, I mostly run dren suits, and I usually run my scout suit. Why? Assaults are boring, very low risk easy wins. Heavy pretty much just point and clicking. Only two roles I enjoy are scouts and logis bbecause they are the hardest to use. Scouts are fun, but hard. They have barely any HP, they get killed fast with just 1/3 of any clip in the game. So again how are they OP? Let me guess, you probably have no situational awareness, you're used to just pointing and clicking your way onto the win button. When someone gets you from behind its must be OP? Like i said, they move/jump to fast and high. No weapon can hit em and the hit detection is off. And P.s i have ran all suits, but i love logis and tanks. Yet you fail to mention what they give up for that speed and jump height. No weapon can hit them? Dude I get killed by scrambler rifle in assaults suits more than anything else in the game yet scouts are OP? You're just talking outside your a$$ because you want every advantage to you. One thing I learned from Dust 514 and that is that the most used class is the assault. And everyone chases the Fotm. So if scouts are OP why am I seeing more assaults with vizam scrambler rifle than anything else? If the majority of the community are fotm chasers they would all flock to scouts, yet everyone is flocking toward minassault. Idk but your logic is highly fked up.
tal mrak-thanl Aethan Dor 246	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:06:00 - [97] - Quote I think of this thread every time I two shot a scout with a CR.
FLAYLOCK Steve Kinsho Swords Caldari State 511	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:11:00 - [98] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: I think of this thread every time I two shot a scout with a CR. Exactly, not hard to kill a scout. The thing is that scouts have a different play style, we don't stand still to engage targets. We flank them, we keep moving. A still scout is a dead scout. Assaults could so eeasily charge at a scout and win, 1v1 assaults would win most of the time by stats alone. Assaults are too busy cherry picking reds that they don't bother to look behind them until they get knifed or blasted in the back with a SG. It's so pathetic how these people cry because they fail.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7785	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:41:00 - [99] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: One thing I learned from Dust 514 and that is that the most used class is the assault. And everyone chases the Fotm. So if scouts are OP why am I seeing more assaults ... Assaults outnumbering Scouts is a relatively new trend. From Mar 2014 to December 2014, Scouts were very much FoTM. It wasn't until a few months ago that Assault usage finally overtook Scout usage. The usage gap between the two has since widened dramatically. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
FLAYLOCK Steve Kinsho Swords Caldari State 512	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:10:00 - [100] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: One thing I learned from Dust 514 and that is that the most used class is the assault. And everyone chases the Fotm. So if scouts are OP why am I seeing more assaults ... Assaults outnumbering Scouts is a relatively new trend. From Mar 2014 to December 2014, Scouts were very much FoTM. It wasn't until a few months ago that Assault usage finally overtook Scout usage. The usage gap between the two has since widened dramatically. I wasn't playing around then I think. I left before all the hell storm members just vanished. I left right before or soon after 1.4

Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 54	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:14:00 - [101] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Scouts are really overpowered. Actually, they have been since the cloak came out. Now... CCP adds steroids to the game! Shotgunners are jumping onto platforms 10 Meters high now. Shotguns are a two shot kill from 7-10 Meters away, and the hit box is messed up. Come on, really CCP. I am curious, what exactly is the purpose or role a scout has. Because it certainly cannot be killing everything on the game. If i wanted that i could go play COD. So I'm not the only one who says COD is to easy. One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7789	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:25:00 - [102] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: One thing I learned from Dust 514 and that is that the most used class is the assault. And everyone chases the Fotm. So if scouts are OP why am I seeing more assaults ... Assaults outnumbering Scouts is a relatively new trend. From Mar 2014 to December 2014, Scouts were very much FoTM. It wasn't until a few months ago that Assault usage finally overtook Scout usage. The usage gap between the two has since widened dramatically. I wasn't playing around then I think. I left before all the hell storm members just vanished. I left right before or soon after 1.4 Gotcha. You missed the whole "Rise of the Scout". Was super hardmode between 1.0 and 1.7. Then 1.8 hit and dang near everyone respec'd into Scout suits. It was terrible, but over time it was fixed. You've returned at a good time; our suits are no longer OP. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
FLAYLOCK Steve Nos Nothi 513	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:53:00 - [103] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: One thing I learned from Dust 514 and that is that the most used class is the assault. And everyone chases the Fotm. So if scouts are OP why am I seeing more assaults ... Assaults outnumbering Scouts is a relatively new trend. From Mar 2014 to December 2014, Scouts were very much FoTM. It wasn't until a few months ago that Assault usage finally overtook Scout usage. The usage gap between the two has since widened dramatically. I wasn't playing around then I think. I left before all the hell storm members just vanished. I left right before or soon after 1.4 Gotcha. You missed the whole "Rise of the Scout". Was super hardmode between 1.0 and 1.7. Then 1.8 hit and dang near everyone respec'd into Scout suits. It was terrible, but over time it was fixed. You've returned at a good time; our suits are no longer OP. Yea, only thing I missed out on was all my friends xD. We used to squad up a lot. Or play against each other.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11166	Posted - 2015.03.17 03:16:00 - [104] - Quote @Flaylock Steve You did come back at a perfect time when scouts are no longer OP. Now it's just assault jumpers being all over the place with their stacking advantage. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
FLAYLOCK Steve Nos Nothi 514	Posted - 2015.03.17 04:46:00 - [105] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: @Flaylock Steve You did come back at a perfect time when scouts are no longer OP. Now it's just assault jumpers being all over the place with their stacking advantage. Lol, yeah but proto stompers weren't such an issue like they now. I get killed by fking assaults more than anything. Sometimes me and a red scout are fighting with knives a assault from west bubble fk uses a scrambler rifle on me. Like really they might as well just replace snipers. One charge shot I'm dead, 1/3 their clip I'm dead. Only way to beat proto stompers are by flanking them lol and little owe me is using my std dragonfly witu adv mods and weapons. Sometimes I use my adv minja but dragonfly looks so nuch cooler.


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