You could have automatic balance on practically everything in the game overnight, if apples met apples.

Omg, people still complain about scouts hahahah, they're so squishy anyway. Get gud scrub

Lol. The EWAR Scouts we deemed "OP" were no where near as effective as today's GalLogi's.

Lol you mean those EWAR cal scouts that could 360 wallhack perma scan everyone Except a 4 dampened gal scout 85 meters out with no cool down

Can't tell you the last time I saw more Scouts than Assaults in any match. Probably pre-falloff. Is the fantasy above a pre-falloff fantasy, Aeon? Ever since Falloff, the majority of the infamous "scout players" have been running Assaults just as often as than run Scout. Now -- with Echo -- they've all the more reason to run Assault.

Today, you have everything you need to get away from a shotgunner or nova knifer consistently, even when they get the drop on you, even when they do everything right. All you have to do fit a precision enhancer and a couple myofibs, pay attention and leap away when one gets into range.

That's why I'm willing to bet that Scout performance and usage rates are both going to tank this build. Assaults, on the other hand, their performance and usage rates (which were both already higher than Scouts) will continue to climb. What do you suspect will happen next?


PS: The vast majority of Barbershop supports inertia; most there have been anti-wiggle for as long as there's been wiggle; the record is very clear should you ever care to actually read it.

EDIT: Allow me to re-iterate. If I had my way, The Barbershop would be permanently locked, deleted, and all attempts to re-create it given the same treatment. It is literally the scum of the forums and there is absolutely nothing beneficial that will ever come from it.

Go watch my most recent 'Past Broadcasts' video on Twitch livestream if you honestly need proof and are so blind as to have never seen more scouts than assaults.

Allow me to re-iterate. If I had my way, The Barbershop would be permanently locked, deleted, and all attempts to re-create it given the same treatment. It is literally the scum of the forums and there is absolutely nothing beneficial that will ever come from it.

Those are interesting numbers. Here are some real numbers:

The EWAR CalScout we nerfed scanned at a maximum of 20dB; the GalLogi scans at 21dB, at far longer ranges and shares results team-wide. The EWAR CalScout we nerfed earned no WP for recon assists, did not dampen (so it could fit range amps), and had to be decloaked or its scan range was reduced by 85%. CalScouts fit for Recon weighed in at 250HP; far too squishy to "defend itself " while running recon for its squad. It met the definition of high-risk.

What's the max HP on a GalLogi who's rapidfiring team-wide scans from 200m out?

I'm honestly just fed up seeing entire teams of Scouts in Pub Matches just auto-win.

There's really nothing you can do about them. Scans don't work because all Scouts can get underneath even the best active scanners, they move so fast they basically dodge bullets (which is sillier than Myrofibril jumps), and then you have the fact that just about all of their weapons have such high alpha damage that there's nothing you can do unless you're conveniently facing them when you're being shot.

So then CCP listened to the Nova Knifer whiners over in The Barbershop, who basically grabbed pitchforks anytime anyone had a differing opinion, and nerfed backward movement speed saying "it doesn't make sense" / "other FPS games" / and "nova knifers don't like it".

But alas, here we are, trying to shoot these little bastards who strafe so quickly that bullets just phase through them. Don't see a 15% reduction to strafe speed across the board, oh no, no-one in The Barbershop asked for it so it ain't gonna happen.

I'm sure they'll instantly take off in popularity in PC now that HMGs got nerfed and a year from now someone will finally get around to looking at the Data, see the extreme favor toward their use, and suddenly get the bright idea that maybe they're a little too good. Or I could just be insane, need to "stop scrubbin and git gud", and just accept the fact that this is the permanent meta.

I'll just leave this here

No need to defend its self the three amarr heavies in their squad with 360 Prema scan shared passive with a logi on their asses does all the defending the cal didn't recon it sat in the middle of the squad scanning 85 meters out

QQ something with 1/10th my HP killed me because i didn't use my spacial awareness QQ

EDIT: Allow me to re-iterate. If I had my way, The Barbershop would be permanently locked, deleted, and all attempts to re-create it given the same treatment. It is literally the scum of the forums and there is absolutely nothing beneficial that will ever come from it.

What fits are OP for scouts?

Create one using proto fits so that we can see what you think is "OP".

Scouts haven't been good in a while.

If you think they are, its simply because you don't have enough situational awareness to realize that someones shooting you in the back, or play with your thumbs up your ass, and try to shoot them using your little toes.

Says every person that pretends they can deal with scouts, but are really just as bad or play a scout and therefore defend the OP mechanic. Every effing game there is a scout that easily gets his kills when you are already having to deal with another player or simply looking and running one direction with zero peripheral vision. Add frame drop and alpha damage and that sad arguement of situation awareness falls apart.

... because gal scans have cool downs

How are you not able to counter?

I'd be objective and actually be curious offer some of the hard percentages but for those who are complaining scouts are not over powered in some dimension, then the problem is really this programming issue of mathematics;
they derive the greatest advantages overall from detection and hit box range while also offering a higher degree of versatility and increasing the overall dimensional aspect of the hitbox and targeting.

In other words for the less scientifically inclined but more cinema inclined, you have heavies represented by the terminator and medium frames as filled by any WW2 soldier and now you have scouts as seen by Keanu Reeves in the Matrix. When the scouts hit box now has to include all dimension above mere rabbit jumping and strafing and now include the ability to jump 5 meters then yes THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM OF THE GAME.

It also changes the dynamics of game play where if you can jump into a room throwing 5 mass drivers and plasma without having to worry about the splash effect damage until you land then you're kind of silently admitting that the walls of New Edan are a meter or 2 too short for warfare.

Heavies always had that problem of armor and heavy weapons resulting in range, numbers or sneakiness with a shotgun to take down. Logis and Assaults just had standard performance all around. Scouts should always have been delegated with superior manuevering and speed with the lowest detection and minimized hitbox ensuring that even with thin armor weapons had to really hit their mark to get a kill.

Once you add the "hey I can jump over a wall and kill with a mass/plasma/grenades/flaylocks and you can catch up to me because of a wall" then you really can't defend the argument that this is actually a perfect game balancing situation.

And for you longtime vets, we dont even have to go into how some certain class got a nice bonus in the equipment slot; adding just 1 equipment slot to any class is just a significant boost period.

As an example to this, just look at the Minmatar medium and heavy suits. I have cross trained into Minmatar Assaults and Minmatar Sentinels and I was surprised by how fast they can run for their size. Their stamina is not that problematic either. Not only that, some medium frames have a massive slot advantage over the scouts. Then there is fall damage to account for and I am seeing more and more YouTube videos featuring medium suits being the principle users of the blue bottles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqCR8_E64Vc&index=13&list=PLk8RCHiu-6X3eFAt--yfMwBlPt8yswfW5

And I really don't care what the Barbershop supports - whatever it is they're likely not going to listen to what anyone else has to say about the matter and I don't play one-sided arguments. In fact, just because they support 'inertia' I'm about willing to argue against it just because I know that the only reason they support it in any 'vast majority' scope is because it somehow benefits Scouts.

So that being said, I recant my statement about the reduction in strafe speed. Keep it the way it is. Permanently.

EDIT: Allow me to re-iterate. If I had my way, The Barbershop would be permanently locked, deleted, and all attempts to re-create it given the same treatment. It is literally the scum of the forums and there is absolutely nothing beneficial that will ever come from it.

I'm honestly just fed up seeing entire teams of Scouts in Pub Matches just auto-win.

There's really nothing you can do about them. Scans don't work because all Scouts can get underneath even the best active scanners, they move so fast they basically dodge bullets (which is sillier than Myrofibril jumps), and then you have the fact that just about all of their weapons have such high alpha damage that there's nothing you can do unless you're conveniently facing them when you're being shot.

So then CCP listened to the Nova Knifer whiners over in The Barbershop, who basically grabbed pitchforks anytime anyone had a differing opinion, and nerfed backward movement speed saying "it doesn't make sense" / "other FPS games" / and "nova knifers don't like it".

But alas, here we are, trying to shoot these little bastards who strafe so quickly that bullets just phase through them. Don't see a 15% reduction to strafe speed across the board, oh no, no-one in The Barbershop asked for it so it ain't gonna happen.

I'm sure they'll instantly take off in popularity in PC now that HMGs got nerfed and a year from now someone will finally get around to looking at the Data, see the extreme favor toward their use, and suddenly get the bright idea that maybe they're a little too good. Or I could just be insane, need to "stop scrubbin and git gud", and just accept the fact that this is the permanent meta.

EDIT: Allow me to re-iterate. If I had my way, The Barbershop would be permanently locked, deleted, and all attempts to re-create it given the same treatment. It is literally the scum of the forums and there is absolutely nothing beneficial that will ever come from it.