DUST Search - SCOUTS ARE OP

Baal Omniscient wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

One thing to remember is that the scouts DON'T have any bonuses towards melee damage (no, the nova knife is not a melee weapon). The suits that stand to benefit the most seem to be the ones that do have bonuses to melee. I think one of the commando suits has this bonus. I don't remember, but definitely not the scouts. Also, it has been rather difficult to sneak up on people these days as a scout ever since the introduction of the concentric circles by CCP which heavily affected all EWAR scouts.

What I see here is players who are just taken by surprise with this recent change. Give it some time and eventually you'll start seeing players figuring out how to counter this new change. What this has done is added a new layer to matches where verticality is now a major factor.

The only scout suit which may stand to benefit from this would be the Amarr scout due to its bonuses towards stamina amount and regen. And since melee and jumping eats up stamina, the Amarr scout would have an advantage. But it has no bonus to melee. One of the heavy-frame suits do have bonus to melee.

And a heavy is better off using it's EHP and HMG because it doesn't have the speed nor the stamina to make good use of its melee, and it's hit box while running at people doesn't help.


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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11131	Posted - 2015.03.13 03:56:00 - [1] - Quote Yet you don't seem to be complaining about heavies being able to do this... https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/576177982231957504 You seem to single out the scouts over all other suits that can do the same thing. Imagine a forge gunner jumping so high to wreck a tank driver's day. Oh wait... you don't have to imagine. Just watch the video and see for yourself. Imagine commandos or assault suits doing the same thing. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11134	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:10:00 - [2] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: @ Baal How were EWAR circles and EWAR Medium Frame changes better for scouts? How were Cloak dampening changes, Cloaked range changes, and Cloak delay changes better for scouts? I think you need to recheck your history before making such ignorant statements. I agree. They have experienced their fair share of nerfs already. A lot of it was warranted especially the cloaks. Also, jumping has at least enabled assaults to do the same thing and are able to effectively counter players who try to camp on high places such as the mid-level section of the mushroom structure in the Communication Outpost. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11134	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:26:00 - [3] - Quote One thing to remember is that the scouts DON'T have any bonuses towards melee damage (no, the nova knife is not a melee weapon). The suits that stand to benefit the most seem to be the ones that do have bonuses to melee. I think one of the commando suits has this bonus. I don't remember, but definitely not the scouts. Also, it has been rather difficult to sneak up on people these days as a scout ever since the introduction of the concentric circles by CCP which heavily affected all EWAR scouts. What I see here is players who are just taken by surprise with this recent change. Give it some time and eventually you'll start seeing players figuring out how to counter this new change. What this has done is added a new layer to matches where verticality is now a major factor. The only scout suit which may stand to benefit from this would be the Amarr scout due to its bonuses towards stamina amount and regen. And since melee and jumping eats up stamina, the Amarr scout would have an advantage. But it has no bonus to melee. One of the heavy-frame suits do have bonus to melee. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11136	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:33:00 - [4] - Quote gyjy7iu5 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: One thing to remember is that the scouts DON'T have any bonuses towards melee damage (no, the nova knife is not a melee weapon). The suits that stand to benefit the most seem to be the ones that do have bonuses to melee. I think one of the commando suits has this bonus. I don't remember, but definitely not the scouts. Also, it has been rather difficult to sneak up on people these days as a scout ever since the introduction of the concentric circles by CCP which heavily affected all EWAR scouts. What I see here is players who are just taken by surprise with this recent change. Give it some time and eventually you'll start seeing players figuring out how to counter this new change. What this has done is added a new layer to matches where verticality is now a major factor. The only scout suit which may stand to benefit from this would be the Amarr scout due to its bonuses towards stamina amount and regen. And since melee and jumping eats up stamina, the Amarr scout would have an advantage. But it has no bonus to melee. One of the heavy-frame suits do have bonus to melee. No this is a long going problem, i could barely counter them before. But now it is just ridiculous. How are you not able to counter? On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11136	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:36:00 - [5] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: One thing to remember is that the scouts DON'T have any bonuses towards melee damage (no, the nova knife is not a melee weapon). The suits that stand to benefit the most seem to be the ones that do have bonuses to melee. I think one of the commando suits has this bonus. I don't remember, but definitely not the scouts. Also, it has been rather difficult to sneak up on people these days as a scout ever since the introduction of the concentric circles by CCP which heavily affected all EWAR scouts. What I see here is players who are just taken by surprise with this recent change. Give it some time and eventually you'll start seeing players figuring out how to counter this new change. What this has done is added a new layer to matches where verticality is now a major factor. The only scout suit which may stand to benefit from this would be the Amarr scout due to its bonuses towards stamina amount and regen. And since melee and jumping eats up stamina, the Amarr scout would have an advantage. But it has no bonus to melee. One of the heavy-frame suits do have bonus to melee. And a heavy is better off using it's EHP and HMG because it doesn't have the speed nor the stamina to make good use of its melee, and it's hit box while running at people doesn't help. But what about the forge gunner in the video I linked? He was able to wreck a tank with the forge gun while jumping from below ground level to above the highest railing above ground level. He didn't use the blue bottles for the punches but rather for the jumping effect which helped him win against the tank that wasn't able to kill him. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11136	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:38:00 - [6] - Quote If anything, it's not the scouts that benefit the most from all this. It's the heavies. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11140	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:59:00 - [7] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Could you explain more makin, because scouts have been a problem for a while now. EWAR for scouts has been nerfed a while due to the introduction concentric circles which affect scan precision based on distance along with a nerf the scan range in some way. Cloaking has been nerfed to include a firing delay after decloaking which effectively castrated shotgun-cloak users. Cloaks work against scouts within cities due to the blue shimmer effect and the contrasting dark areas that are all over the place especially in the orbital artillery outpost, gallente research facility, caldari production facility, and biomass facility. Also, the Minassault is almost able to marginalize the Minscout with its sprint speed and stamina recovery. Do you have any idea how embarrassing it is for me as a minja to have to struggle racing against a minassault? EDIT: PS: The backpedalling also affects the scouts. We can't backpedal as fast as we move forward either. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11150	Posted - 2015.03.15 21:28:00 - [8] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: To Holy, Logis still have more HP than scouts, have more EQ, Bandwidth, and so forth. They are superior to Scouts in almost every way. - Raven As an example to this, just look at the Minmatar medium and heavy suits. I have cross trained into Minmatar Assaults and Minmatar Sentinels and I was surprised by how fast they can run for their size. Their stamina is not that problematic either. Not only that, some medium frames have a massive slot advantage over the scouts. Then there is fall damage to account for and I am seeing more and more YouTube videos featuring medium suits being the principle users of the blue bottles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqCR8_E64Vc&index=13&list=PLk8RCHiu-6X3eFAt--yfMwBlPt8yswfW5 On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11166	Posted - 2015.03.17 03:16:00 - [9] - Quote @Flaylock Steve You did come back at a perfect time when scouts are no longer OP. Now it's just assault jumpers being all over the place with their stacking advantage. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.