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JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2051	Posted - 2015.02.06 00:45:00 - [1] - Quote So apparently I have 2 weapons ready to claim in the Experimental Lab. and to claim such weapons I have to pay 502 Warbarge Components or 1,506 AUR. That's right I had to pay to get my warbarge to level 5 to unlock the Experimental Lab. then I upgraded it to receive better items from it. Now I have to pay to receive the items or otherwise it stops producing items. WTF CCP? was my upgrading my warbarge to level 5 and then further upgrading my subsystems not good enough for you? I understand you need to make some money but this is total bullshit. I hope the CPM will address the situation with CCP that its few remaining players do not appreciate being scammed/strong armed like this. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
GrimzOvaHourz The Forgotten Spirits 49	Posted - 2015.02.06 00:48:00 - [2] - Quote That's ****** up
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 438	Posted - 2015.02.06 00:52:00 - [3] - Quote Never, I repeat never, spend money on Dust right after an update. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2052	Posted - 2015.02.06 00:54:00 - [4] - Quote GrimzOvaHourz wrote: That's ****** up Just so people understand the components that you make with the mobile facility have to be used to get the weapons otherwise you cannot make more which leaves you unable to save them up to upgrade anything else unless you use AUR. Otherwise you save the components up and lose the production of new weapons while you save components unless you spend AUR. So you have to pick one and lose the other or spend more AUR to get what you should get for free. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
SagaB Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2015.02.06 00:55:00 - [5] - Quote That's hilariously sad. Didn't Kain Spero get an AV grenade from the experimental lab? I suggest staying away from leveling up the experimental lab until Experimental Weapons are implemented (unless they already are and the paywall is so tall for being the third day of Warlords). Maybe CCP wasn't expecting players to upgrade so fast?
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 423	Posted - 2015.02.06 00:56:00 - [6] - Quote Oh well, another great idea form CCP. The warbarge is a total fluke. How is this a fun thing? It's stupid. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 491	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:01:00 - [7] - Quote Oh look, another thread pointing out a serious problem that doesn't have a blue tag on it. These threads are almost as common as strongboxes. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
axis alpha Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 577	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:04:00 - [8] - Quote Wow..... Ok now THATS going way overboard CCP. This is ridiculous. I would be livid if I had leveled to 5..... Good thing I didn't. CCP you gotta fix this. Its enough money to upgrade the ******* warbarge as it is..... I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 323	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:34:00 - [9] - Quote This is the response that was bound to happen considering that everything up until now has been paid for with the worthless Dust-ISK. Now that you actually have to wait to get something you are crying it up in the forums Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2053	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:40:00 - [10] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: This is the response that was bound to happen considering that everything up until now has been paid for with the worthless Dust-ISK. Now that you actually have to wait to get something you are crying it up in the forums You should reread it again. I said nothing about waiting. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.

1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 266	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:52:00 - [11] - Quote Sht is all ScReWeD uP That's ScReWeD uP* *Just Rub One Out*
Lac Nokomis G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 59	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:55:00 - [12] - Quote You have to spend components? And why are we surprised? Seriously. I don't spend aur on the Warbarge. I like taking my time. Thinking it through. Slow down with it. Use your money on a different aspect of the game. Oh yeah, and if you can use components, you don't have to use AUR. You can to get it faster with AUR, which has always been the plan. For almost everything in dust. So don't say you have to pay to get them. You are wrong.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3128	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:59:00 - [13] - Quote Your warbarge produces components. You don't have to "pay" for jack ****. Shame on you OP.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2054	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:03:00 - [14] - Quote Lac Nokomis wrote: You have to spend components? And why are we surprised? Seriously. I don't spend aur on the Warbarge. I like taking my time. Thinking it through. Slow down with it. Use your money on a different aspect of the game. Oh yeah, and if you can use components, you don't have to use AUR. You can to get it faster with AUR, which has always been the plan. For almost everything in dust. So don't say you have to pay to get them. You are wrong. If you have to use the components you make everyday to unlock the "claim" items how much are you saving up to upgrade other subsystems and the warbarge? Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2054	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:06:00 - [15] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Your warbarge produces components. You don't have to "pay" for jack ****. Shame on you OP. So are you going not going to claim the weapons your subsystem produces so you can save up those components to upgrade other subsystems/warbarge? Or are you going to spend those components everyday to claim the weapons and not be able to save for upgrades? Simple question really. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 324	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:13:00 - [16] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: This is the response that was bound to happen considering that everything up until now has been paid for with the worthless Dust-ISK. Now that you actually have to wait to get something you are crying it up in the forums You should reread it again. I said nothing about waiting. wait or pay Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:16:00 - [17] - Quote i got 335 components for eom salvage also play as Strangeland Stranger (Gal), Gauntlett5487 (Cal), and Larlac Theest (Min)
Lac Nokomis G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 60	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:17:00 - [18] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Lac Nokomis wrote: You have to spend components? And why are we surprised? Seriously. I don't spend aur on the Warbarge. I like taking my time. Thinking it through. Slow down with it. Use your money on a different aspect of the game. Oh yeah, and if you can use components, you don't have to use AUR. You can to get it faster with AUR, which has always been the plan. For almost everything in dust. So don't say you have to pay to get them. You are wrong. If you have to use the components you make everyday to unlock the "claim" items how much are you saving up to upgrade other subsystems and the warbarge? I'm still learning how it all works. I get that we are all ****** people that will try to exploit something as soon as possible but seriously, think about it. This warbarge thing is a pretty big aspect of the game. There is a lot of potential with it, i believe. That's why I don't spend any AUR on it. My warbarge generates 400 comp. a day I think. This would mean that it would take 2 days to unlock what your talking about. Not counting Salvage comp. from battles, which I have gotten a fair amount of. Makes sense to me. You can't speed through all stages of the warbage since it's meant to be expanded on. EDIT: It would take 2 days to have the components needed to unlock of gear your talking about, of course, this will be different for you since your warbarge is already upgraded way more than mine. Just an example.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2055	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:18:00 - [19] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: This is the response that was bound to happen considering that everything up until now has been paid for with the worthless Dust-ISK. Now that you actually have to wait to get something you are crying it up in the forums You should reread it again. I said nothing about waiting. wait or pay But if you wait you are losing out on something you have already paid for. Are you willing to lose out on 3 months of Experimental gear (which you have already spent time or money on) to save up the components needed up make upgrades? All I'm saying is that we should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to "claim" the items. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 213	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:25:00 - [20] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Lac Nokomis wrote: You have to spend components? And why are we surprised? Seriously. I don't spend aur on the Warbarge. I like taking my time. Thinking it through. Slow down with it. Use your money on a different aspect of the game. Oh yeah, and if you can use components, you don't have to use AUR. You can to get it faster with AUR, which has always been the plan. For almost everything in dust. So don't say you have to pay to get them. You are wrong. If you have to use the components you make everyday to unlock the "claim" items how much are you saving up to upgrade other subsystems and the warbarge? You are probably saving up very little or nothing if you are claiming the weapons. That was probably the intended design. You are supposed to claim weapons sometimes and sometimes you choose to upgrade to warbarge. When the cap for weapons that can be claimed is reached, weapons are probably no longer produced, but the components are still produced daily for free and are claimed for free. You will get those weapons, it will just take longer if you don't pay for them. DUST was always designed to make you wait longer for everything if you don't pay. You would still get those things though. It would just take days or weeks instead of hours.

JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2059	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:29:00 - [21] - Quote Lac Nokomis wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Lac Nokomis wrote: You have to spend components? And why are we surprised? Seriously. I don't spend aur on the Warbarge. I like taking my time. Thinking it through. Slow down with it. Use your money on a different aspect of the game. Oh yeah, and if you can use components, you don't have to use AUR. You can to get it faster with AUR, which has always been the plan. For almost everything in dust. So don't say you have to pay to get them. You are wrong. If you have to use the components you make everyday to unlock the "claim" items how much are you saving up to upgrade other subsystems and the warbarge? I'm still learning how it all works. I get that we are all ****** people that will try to exploit something as soon as possible but seriously, think about it. This warbarge thing is a pretty big aspect of the game. There is a lot of potential with it, i believe. That's why I don't spend any AUR on it. My warbarge generates 400 comp. a day I think. This would mean that it would take 2 days to unlock what your talking about. Not counting Salvage comp. from battles, which I have gotten a fair amount of. Makes sense to me. You can't speed through all stages of the warbage since it's meant to be expanded on. EDIT: It would take 2 days to have the components needed to unlock of gear your talking about, of course, this will be different for you since your warbarge is already upgraded way more than mine. Just an example. If you have spent zero AUR the most components you could produce a day is 200 (assuming you spent the free 300 on upgrading the mobile factory) without upgrading the warbarge first. To upgrade the WB you need 1,119 components. So sorry it would take you longer than 2 days to unlock the gear and even then you would be short 100+ components and losing out on newly produced weapons because you cannot claim them. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3129	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:34:00 - [22] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Your warbarge produces components. You don't have to "pay" for jack ****. Shame on you OP. So are you going not going to claim the weapons your subsystem produces so you can save up those components to upgrade other subsystems/warbarge? Or are you going to spend those components everyday to claim the weapons and not be able to save for upgrades? Simple question really. The choice is yours, obviously. The point still stands,... Neither one of them require you to pay for anything.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 638	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:35:00 - [23] - Quote Ya, I agree with ya OP. I mean -- ok the warbarge costs a LOT of Aur to upgrade fast. People are expected to get it slower. Fine. No problem on my end. But the factory produced it. Who the hell am I paying components? The dude who came and informed me it was finished? This one particular part of the warbarge is a full on insult imo. Actually, the first full on slap in the face I can ever recall in Dust tbh.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2059	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:36:00 - [24] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Your warbarge produces components. You don't have to "pay" for jack ****. Shame on you OP. So are you going not going to claim the weapons your subsystem produces so you can save up those components to upgrade other subsystems/warbarge? Or are you going to spend those components everyday to claim the weapons and not be able to save for upgrades? Simple question really. The choice is yours, obviously. The point still stands,... Neither one of them require you to pay for anything. Your paying with your time, and everyone knows time = money. Nothing is free. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3130	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:40:00 - [25] - Quote Well, that is certainly one way to interpret pay.... Not at all what you meant when you first typed it, but nice back peddle nonetheless.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2060	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:43:00 - [26] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Well, that is certainly one way to interpret pay.... Not at all what you meant when you first typed it, but nice back peddle nonetheless. Dodge more. Are you seriously fine with the fact you have already invested time or money to get to the point of even making the random item but now you have to pay with time or money to even receive it? Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3147	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:11:00 - [27] - Quote If your WB is that upgraded, then it generates enough WB components to deal with that, a level 4 Factory generates 500 a day, you should have a level 5 or 6 for that level which will generate enough components to get your weapons as well as having excess. What you should be concerned about though is that base resale value is 15% for components, and that means doing the math WB Components are worth 6,000 ISK each, so your weapons cost you effectively 3,012,000 isk More importantly the WB doesn't tell you what the hell it gave you, and you have to figure it out yourself by looking at assets. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 811	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:14:00 - [28] - Quote It's not fked up. It's good. You have to choose, upgrade your warbarge (subsystems etc), claim guns etc. By this way it won't be exploited. And 10% bonus dmg for few of these experimental guns is a big thing. Loyal to State. > *Gallus in suo sterquilinio plurimum potest - the rooster can do plenty in his own dungheap*
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2061	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:15:00 - [29] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: If your WB is that upgraded, then it generates enough WB components to deal with that, a level 4 Factory generates 500 a day, you should have a six or seven for that level which will generate enough components to get your weapons as well as having excess. Why should I have to spend anything to "claim" something I already spent time or money on to make it in the first place? Do you go to McDonalds and after paying for the food at the register hand over more money from the person who gives it to you? Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3147	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:18:00 - [30] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Why should I have to spend anything to "claim" something I already spent time or money on to make it in the first place? Do you go to McDonalds and after paying for the food at the register hand over more money from the person who gives it to you? No, but on the other hand after I spent money on a factory I usually still have to buy the raw components for the product. Actually, yes you actually have to do what you just said, the cost for the food is only a fraction of your crapyMccrapburger, you are actually having to pay the person behind the counter too, bad analogy. You basically bought the McDonalds' restaurant burger cooker and are mad you have to buy the burger patties. What's even more rediculous is that your McDonald's Resturant SHOULD be generating enough revenue (In this case, your Factory generating enough components) to pay for the burgers AND make a small profit. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2062	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:19:00 - [31] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: It's not fked up. It's good. You have to choose, upgrade your warbarge (subsystems etc), claim guns etc. By this way it won't be exploited. And 10% bonus dmg for few of these experimental guns is a big thing. In accounting don't they call it lost potential? Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2062	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:22:00 - [32] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Why should I have to spend anything to "claim" something I already spent time or money on to make it in the first place? Do you go to McDonalds and after paying for the food at the register hand over more money from the person who gives it to you? No, but on the other hand after I spent money on a factory I usually still have to buy the raw components for the product. Actually, yes you actually have to do what you just said, the cost for the food is only a fraction of your crapyMccrapburger, you are actually having to pay the person behind the counter too, bad analogy. You basically bought the McDonalds' restaurant burger cooker and are mad you have to buy the burger patties. What's even more rediculous is that your McDonald's Resturant SHOULD be generating enough revenue (In this case, your Factory generating enough components) to pay for the burgers AND make a small profit. lolwhat? So you pay the Cashier $6.50 and then pay the other staff person $1.50 just to hand it too you? (numbers guesstimated) Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3131	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:23:00 - [33] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Well, that is certainly one way to interpret pay.... Not at all what you meant when you first typed it, but nice back peddle nonetheless. Dodge more. Are you seriously fine with the fact you have already invested time or money to get to the point of even making the random item but now you have to pay with time or money to even receive it? Yes, I am. What's the big deal?
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3147	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:24:00 - [34] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: lolwhat? So you pay the Cashier $6.50 and then pay the other staff person $1.50 just to hand it too you? (numbers guesstimated) No, you pay the cashier 6.50; 2 for the burger, 2 for the cost of the electricity, 1 for the idiot manning the counter and the idiots in the back, and 1.5 for the idiots at HQ wanting profit. The rest of my post still stands. You footed the cost of the resturant, it now needs you to pay for the burgers, but if you properly invested in the restaurant then it should be generating enough revenue to foot the cost of your burgers and have excess. What level is your factory? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16612	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:25:00 - [35] - Quote This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries 823	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:26:00 - [36] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: This is the response that was bound to happen considering that everything up until now has been paid for with the worthless Dust-ISK. Now that you actually have to wait to get something you are crying it up in the forums You should reread it again. I said nothing about waiting. wait or pay But if you wait you are losing out on something you have already paid for. Are you willing to lose out on 3 months of Experimental gear (which you have already spent time or money on) to save up the components needed up make upgrades? All I'm saying is that we should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to "claim" the items. dude dont waste ur enerygy. this is dust forums, these guys wont bother to read the whole thread, use any form of logic and lack comprehension skills at an abnormally high rate. LogicGäó
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2062	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:28:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. What's the difficult choice? Only the poor will struggle, just like now Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2838	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:29:00 - [38] - Quote You know this whole Warbarge thing is genius coming from a business standpoint. These "pay to advance" freemium games have completely saturated the mobile gaming markets, but the vast majority of them can't compete with the likes of Clash of Clans and maybe a few others because of branding. The most difficult part of baiting people into freemium is establishing a brand that people recognize and will participate in. CCP took their EVE Universe and casually applied that whole scheme, and now I'm sure that these big wig players with too much money to spend and a hard case of min/maxing aren't even phased about spending loads of money to max their spreadsheet out. And that in turn encourages more of the same. More strongboxes, more BPOs, "new and fun" ways to spend Aurum. All while core issues with the game are still ignored. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1247	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:31:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. Just fix the bugs. Your team should be ashamed to release an update that is this shoddy. No excuses. If you don't have the resources to do it correctly, then don't do it at all. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3147	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:31:00 - [40] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. What's the difficult choice? Only the poor will struggle, just like now Again, what level is your WarBarge factory? Why did you not upgrade the factory, so your 2 OFFICER weapons a day are essentially free? Officer Weapons. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries 827	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:31:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k LogicGäó
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 283	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:32:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. Lol this is one of the least amount of likes I've ever seen Rattati get. This is one of the worst updates yet. You call a whole update by pasting a Gif of a Caldari ship upon a revolving jpg image ? Fail. Sorry. Not here. True Amarr In Disguise Pain is weakness leaving the body Proto : ADS Pilot, Tanker Ak.0 : Mando, Scout, Assault
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9480	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:34:00 - [43] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: You know this whole Warbarge thing is genius coming from a business standpoint. These "pay to advance" freemium games have completely saturated the mobile gaming markets, but the vast majority of them can't compete with the likes of Clash of Clans and maybe a few others because of branding. The most difficult part of baiting people into freemium is establishing a brand that people recognize and will participate in. CCP took their EVE Universe and casually applied that whole scheme, and now I'm sure that these big wig players with too much money to spend and a hard case of min/maxing aren't even phased about spending loads of money to max their spreadsheet out. And that in turn encourages more of the same. More strongboxes, more BPOs, "new and fun" ways to spend Aurum. All while core issues with the game are still ignored. South Park Explained it perfectly. *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2065	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:39:00 - [44] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. What's the difficult choice? Only the poor will struggle, just like now Again, what level is your WarBarge factory? Why did you not upgrade the factory, so your 2 OFFICER weapons a day are essentially free? Officer Weapons. My WB is lvl 5. What's yours? My mobile factory is lvl 3. What's yours? to upgrade to lvl 4 it cost 25,334 WBC or 75,000+ AUR P.S. you only get 1 item a day. It's only a good chance it's officer a lvl 4. P.S.S. it doesn't even tell you what you spent all your time or money on. Edit: Just so you know 100,000 AUR = $50usd. Think how much lvl 5 will be lol. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
axis alpha Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 585	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:41:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. LOL WOW REALLY. I cannot believe what i just read. Lol. Wow. I mean ******* wow. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 335	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:49:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. It's not though, pay aur get the best weapons in the game Unless you want those weapons a year from now when maybe you have components to spare I will defend most of the aur items in the game but this falls on the wrong side of p2w ADS Ramming Revenge! Should Have Stayed Inside (the Tank)
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1078	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:51:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. That's not a choice. That's Just forget about the Warbarge, cause it ain't worth any time. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3147	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:01:00 - [48] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: My WB is lvl 5. What's yours? 5 JL3Eleven wrote: My mobile factory is lvl 3. What's yours? 4 "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2067	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:03:00 - [49] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: My WB is lvl 5. What's yours? 5 JL3Eleven wrote: My mobile factory is lvl 3. What's yours? 4 Ouch. What about the others? I'm 3,2,3,2,3. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3147	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:11:00 - [50] - Quote 4,2,3,2,3 iirc that is Factory/Isk/Damag/SP/Lab After looking at how the system works I came to the conclusion that I would be royally shafted if I don't get Factory to 5 or 6 as fast as I can, though given the insane cost I think my goal will end up looking like 5,3,4,3,4 and I doubt I'll ever reach any higher then that. The ISK and SP modules are not terribly worthwhile if the player is not a newbie. The Lab is notable, but mainly the Weapon Damage Module (Armory, is it?) is what I have issue with in that it is so ridiculously important to have to be competitive, that is where the PW2 comes in imo. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6012	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:11:00 - [51] - Quote You don't get officer at L4 only experimental. Only chance for officer is L5 I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:13:00 - [52] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: So apparently I have 2 weapons ready to claim in the Experimental Lab. and to claim such weapons I have to pay 502 Warbarge Components or 1,506 AUR. That's right I had to pay to get my warbarge to level 5 to unlock the Experimental Lab. then I upgraded it to receive better items from it. Now I have to pay to receive the items or otherwise it stops producing items. WTF CCP? was my upgrading my warbarge to level 5 and then further upgrading my subsystems not good enough for you? I understand you need to make some money but this is total bullshit. I hope the CPM will address the situation with CCP that its few remaining players do not appreciate being scammed/strong armed like this. Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting. max out component production, you get 1 per day that way. Choo Choo
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:19:00 - [53] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. What's the difficult choice? Only the poor will struggle, just like now Again, what level is your WarBarge factory? Why did you not upgrade the factory, so your 2 OFFICER weapons a day are essentially free? Officer Weapons. My WB is lvl 5. What's yours? My mobile factory is lvl 3. What's yours? to upgrade to lvl 4 it cost 25,334 WBC or 75,000+ AUR P.S. you only get 1 item a day. It's only a good chance it's officer a lvl 4. P.S.S. it doesn't even tell you what you spent all your time or money on. Edit: Just so you know 100,000 AUR = $50usd. Think how much lvl 5 will be lol. Defuq? Why sssooo much? Choo Choo
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 138	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:20:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. So be it. I won't complain, however I will not spend Aurum to upgrade it to pay for more high level weaponry.
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 112	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:21:00 - [55] - Quote It begins. DUST is moving away from F2P. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 610	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:26:00 - [56] - Quote this is straight up pay to win
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 267	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:30:00 - [57] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: It begins. DUST is moving away from F2P. Yep. Seems that way. *That's ScReWeD uP* *Just Rub One Out*
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 453	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:32:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. The choice of "To throw money at CCP or not to" Doesn't seem like a fair choice to impose on people. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game RUST415 646	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:48:00 - [59] - Quote wow i just made a thread earlier praising rattati for making components more salvage'ble............... then I read this ***, its not p2w, however you might as well say "do i ever want to upgrade my warbarge again or....do i want to have a op weapon i may or may not be skilled into. seriously rattati i understand it is to keep players from farming multible accounts (especially donating components to your corp) ,BUT all these restrictions has made what could have been a beautiful thing into a turd, and no matter how much you polish a turd its still gonna be a turd. why not put up a thread requesting feedback on ways to remove these restrictions but also keep it from being farmed.(unless of course you don't care for your playerbase and wish to continue to turn dust into candy crush saga) feeling more disappointment then when strongboxes were released.* (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs _/ \
SKAAR NOVA XIII BLACKNOVA INITIATIVE 4	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:49:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. I guess I'll be waiting weeks to see what the warbarge is about lol. Not difficult at all lol If I see you first...boom goes the dynamite!

The Eristic Dust 90210 776	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:53:00 - [61] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: South Park Explained it perfectly. Is... is that a strongbox on the board behind them near the end? 8^\| Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10967	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:00:00 - [62] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting. Eve Online players have had to pay with time to get their Tech 2 stuff from the control towers which require fuel to operate, modules to defend it, and equipment to install. Unlike the Warbarge, the control towers are not given for free. They also required blueprints which require their own separate bill of materials to manufacture the final product. And they have been doing this for years. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2075	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:04:00 - [63] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting. Eve Online players have had to pay with time to get their Tech 2 stuff from the control towers which require fuel to operate, modules to defend it, and equipment to install. Unlike the Warbarge, the control towers are not given for free. They also required blueprints which require their own separate bill of materials to manufacture the final product. And they have been doing this for years. Skyrim players could forge jewelry from gold bars and gemstones. This is not Eve or Skyrim. They tried to link it but it failed, I'm sorry. As it is Dust is it's own game. Not even Eve players care about us. Get real. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9484	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:08:00 - [64] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting. Eve Online players have had to pay with time to get their Tech 2 stuff from the control towers which require fuel to operate, modules to defend it, and equipment to install. Unlike the Warbarge, the control towers are not given for free. They also required blueprints which require their own separate bill of materials to manufacture the final product. And they have been doing this for years. Skyrim players could forge jewelry from gold bars and gemstones. This is not Eve or Skyrim. They tried to link it but it failed, I'm sorry. As it is Dust is it's own game. Not even Eve players care about us. Get real. The only link we had was in FW and even that was diminished when we were giving access to warbarge strikes for FW. Nobody realizes that I'm above their heads in a ship when they have an orbital confirmation every three seconds and on top of that can use Orbitals in FW now. thankfully our FW chat is in tune with pilots wanting Gallente LP . *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2076	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:11:00 - [65] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting. Eve Online players have had to pay with time to get their Tech 2 stuff from the control towers which require fuel to operate, modules to defend it, and equipment to install. Unlike the Warbarge, the control towers are not given for free. They also required blueprints which require their own separate bill of materials to manufacture the final product. And they have been doing this for years. Skyrim players could forge jewelry from gold bars and gemstones. This is not Eve or Skyrim. They tried to link it but it failed, I'm sorry. As it is Dust is it's own game. Not even Eve players care about us. Get real. The only link we had was in FW and even that was diminished when we were giving access to warbarge strikes for FW. Nobody realizes that I'm above their heads in a ship when they have an orbital confirmation every three seconds and on top of that can use Orbitals in FW now. thankfully our FW chat is in tune with pilots wanting Gallente LP . All hail Gallente Master Race! Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
DootDoot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 372	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:35:00 - [66] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. After the honeymoon week is over.. And people start cluing into the scams going on. Start doing the math with what it costs to what they get... It will be lockboxes all over again. Alienating your playerbase in effort to spur more sales will end up costing you the 20k Users that came back to try out Warlords. If the lack of any non Aurum based content hasn't already. These loyal players come back every patch to try it out... Hoping and praying CCP Shanghai has learned from past mistakes... It only seems to get worse.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16638	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:03:00 - [67] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 193	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:05:00 - [68] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. Yes, but for F2P players, it takes so long just to level up to level 2, then it gets worse from there. I'd be fine if level 2 cost 500 components...later levels should be the ones that cost alot. Choo Choo
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2080	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:10:00 - [69] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. You basically screwed yourself when you made the jump from lvl 3 to lvl 4; 25k wbc or 75k AUR. That's $35usd-$45usd just to upgrade or spend months collecting components and not "claiming" weapons. Would you spend $40usd just to upgrade anything? Without any real benefit of doing so other than bragging? lol get real. CPP is out of touch with the only people keeping it alive. Sad really :( Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10968	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:11:00 - [70] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. Yes, but for F2P players, it takes so long just to level up to level 2, then it gets worse from there. I'd be fine if level 2 cost 500 components...later levels should be the ones that cost alot. The point here is that you don't have to pay AUR to level up. No one is forcing you to fork over the cash. It's a passive thing just like Eve's Planetary Interaction. It's like the hare and the tortoise. Both will reach the finish line, but at different times. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:12:00 - [71] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. You basically screwed yourself when you made the jump from lvl 3 to lvl 4; 25k wbc or 75k AUR. That's $35usd-$45usd just to upgrade or spend months collecting components and not "claiming" weapons. Would you spend $40usd just to upgrade anything? Without any real benefit of doing so other than bragging? lol get real. CPP is out of touch with the only people keeping it alive. Sad really :( Around 20 days to get 25k...and I'm pretty sure next patch you'll be able to send players components. Choo Choo
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:13:00 - [72] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: duster 35000 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. Yes, but for F2P players, it takes so long just to level up to level 2, then it gets worse from there. I'd be fine if level 2 cost 500 components...later levels should be the ones that cost alot. The point here is that you don't have to pay AUR to level up. No one is forcing you to fork over the cash. It's a passive thing just like Eve's Planetary Interaction. It's like the hare and the tortoise. Both will reach the finish line, but at different times. Yes but it's too much for the first level, you don't gain anything from the warbarge at all unless you level it. Choo Choo
Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 245	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:13:00 - [73] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. Replace X by 300 and Y by 30 and this is why it's not free. Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2080	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:14:00 - [74] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: duster 35000 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. Yes, but for F2P players, it takes so long just to level up to level 2, then it gets worse from there. I'd be fine if level 2 cost 500 components...later levels should be the ones that cost alot. The point here is that you don't have to pay AUR to level up. No one is forcing you to fork over the cash. It's a passive thing just like Eve's Planetary Interaction. It's like the hare and the tortoise. Both will reach the finish line, but at different times. Sorry but this is not eve. Not even close. The point is after a certain level its either pick something you paid for or upgrade. What do you not understand about that? Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 457	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:16:00 - [75] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: duster 35000 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. Yes, but for F2P players, it takes so long just to level up to level 2, then it gets worse from there. I'd be fine if level 2 cost 500 components...later levels should be the ones that cost alot. The point here is that you don't have to pay AUR to level up. No one is forcing you to fork over the cash. It's a passive thing just like Eve's Planetary Interaction. It's like the hare and the tortoise. Both will reach the finish line, but at different times. And you really have no idea just how long a tortoise can live. In the end you probably want to be the tortoise anyway, :) Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 640	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:17:00 - [76] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. That -- doesn't quite make sense to me. Can you explain what difficult choice I am making?
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:21:00 - [77] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. That -- doesn't quite make sense to me. Can you explain what difficult choice I am making? Save and upgrade or don't and keep claiming items. Choo Choo
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2080	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:23:00 - [78] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Imp Smash wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. That -- doesn't quite make sense to me. Can you explain what difficult choice I am making? Save and upgrade or don't and keep claiming items. Or be Rich and have both ftw. Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 640	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:25:00 - [79] - Quote Ah. I see.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2937	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:31:00 - [80] - Quote Im going to have a permanent bruise on my forehead from facepalming so hard after reading this thread. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~

CLONE ALPHA 001 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 139	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:33:00 - [81] - Quote **** YOU CCP YOU GREEDY A HOLES
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:35:00 - [82] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Im going to have a permanent bruise on my forehead from facepalming so hard after reading this thread. I don't facepalm much, but when I do it's usually something like a reference that is so facepalm worthy. Choo Choo
CLONE ALPHA 001 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 139	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:40:00 - [83] - Quote weapons should be free to claim i spent components to upgrade why would i use WARBARGE COMPONENTS to make WEAPONS it doesn't make any sense
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2081	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:57:00 - [84] - Quote 6 CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: weapons should be free to claim i spent components to upgrade why would i use WARBARGE COMPONENTS to make WEAPONS it doesn't make any sense this^ Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
jordy mack WarRavens Capital Punishment. 264	Posted - 2015.02.06 07:06:00 - [85] - Quote BUCKETS FOR SALE! all sizes, all the big brands, all at the lowest prices. Less QQ more PewPew
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3557	Posted - 2015.02.06 07:06:00 - [86] - Quote Jesus comeon ccp this is an easily avoidable PR screw up. I'm sorry that's a nasty model right their im starting to dislike how we have to put quaters in to do pretty much anything at this point. You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21828	Posted - 2015.02.06 07:11:00 - [87] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. It's intended that a facility that takes 150 days to grind for or bucketloads of AUR allows you to produce 1 STD AV grenade every other day? :Bittervetting intensifies:
DootDoot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 377	Posted - 2015.02.06 07:14:00 - [88] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. When there is 6 months+ involved in grinding and logging on daily.... it becomes pay to win.... Specially when your appealing a game mechanic to a casual player on average that either holds A: A full time job, or B: Goes to school full time. So it is grind for 6 months+ Or YEARS for loyalty rankings... Or spend money to win now. And not small amounts of money... Entire game values worth... So people are buying 2x Grand theft auto 5 and 1x destiny in value in Aurum and...... getting what? Like you guys must have mis placed your calculators Take a step back... Remove yourself from your position and your successes and praises that has been laid upon you.... And look at this objectively for once You guys are loosing touch quickly..
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 170	Posted - 2015.02.06 08:58:00 - [89] - Quote I lolled. Rattati claiming we don't care for new players. Then this epic cashgrab. Sp generator for new players..?? Yeah in a few months maybe. Sorry rattati.....so much good faith being wasted here. Help me gain the C-II Dropsuit Pilot & Saboteur
Skotty Hellm Valor Company Freedom Fighters 6	Posted - 2015.02.06 10:21:00 - [90] - Quote Wow... I think we Should all indulge in a game of "Slay" on PSHome..... For BPO's Methinks..... Lol, LOOK,, Can we get a little Mini Roadmap for the Warbarge? Have an Idea what the Heck we're Investing In? Also, a Clear LIST of LOYALTY RANKS in order W/BONUSES...A Colonel Today, what Tomorrow?

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18635	Posted - 2015.02.06 10:28:00 - [91] - Quote Do people have spending disorders? I have yet spent a single aur on the barge; instead bought another passive booster. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2015.02.06 10:32:00 - [92] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Do people have spending disorders? I have yet spent a single aur on the barge; instead bought another passive booster. Nope, though we won't have a warbarge (an actual usable one) either. Help me gain the C-II Dropsuit Pilot & Saboteur
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 959	Posted - 2015.02.06 11:28:00 - [93] - Quote Dust used to be one of the best free to play games ever. Now Dust is one of the worst pay to win games ever. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 316	Posted - 2015.02.06 12:08:00 - [94] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Dust used to be one of the best free to play games ever. Now Dust is one of the worst pay to win games ever. You're entitled to your opinion but come on that is just plain untrue. Pay to win exists and DUST is not it. Try making an alt and playing in the academy. I bet you win battles without even trying. That's because you've built up game skill - your stats will be exactly the same as everyone elses in there. Once you get into the real thing yep you will get killed over and over. but you will also out do the other newbs who graduated with you. the game requires equal parts skill and levelling up. levelling up is quicker if you pay - but arguably you learn more if you don't pay because the game can still be won with ingenuity on the battlefield. note all the crying from protostompers (big spenders) when they get blown up by a basic RE (no need to wait for one of those particularly). A newb that works out you can kill a heavy with an RE has used his brain and bagged some points. It didn't take him or her money to do it. That's just one example. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1201	Posted - 2015.02.06 12:18:00 - [95] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: note all the crying from protostompers (big spenders) when they get blown up by a basic RE (no need to wait for one of those particularly). A newb that works out you can kill a heavy with an RE has used his brain and bagged some points. It didn't take him or her money to do it. You described this game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xe0aPNz39Q «Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 316	Posted - 2015.02.06 12:21:00 - [96] - Quote Corbina Ninja wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: note all the crying from protostompers (big spenders) when they get blown up by a basic RE (no need to wait for one of those particularly). A newb that works out you can kill a heavy with an RE has used his brain and bagged some points. It didn't take him or her money to do it. You described this game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xe0aPNz39Q Always loved bomberman no doubt about that GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1480	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:38:00 - [97] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Do people have spending disorders? I have yet spent a single aur on the barge; instead bought another passive booster. But you're bad.... If I spent my time in Dust role playing I wouldn't buy a damage buff either...
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1243	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:42:00 - [98] - Quote I didn't think CCP could surprise me anymore. I was wrong. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1480	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:48:00 - [99] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I didn't think CCP could surprise me anymore. I was wrong. I really can't believe higher ups at CCP are allowing **** like this to be rolled out. This is why the tinfoil hat in me says Dust is done and no in CCP outside of Rattati and his 5 friends care (that's even a matter of opinion) about Dust internally. So they are trying to suck as much money as possible before they pull the plug...
axis alpha Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 592	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:10:00 - [100] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. X and y days = to multiple days some of us have live. I can't sit for two days straight playing dust. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.

Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 445	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:32:00 - [101] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: So apparently I have 2 weapons ready to claim in the Experimental Lab. and to claim such weapons I have to pay 502 Warbarge Components or 1,506 AUR. That's right I had to pay to get my warbarge to level 5 to unlock the Experimental Lab. then I upgraded it to receive better items from it. Now I have to pay to receive the items or otherwise it stops producing items. WTF CCP? was my upgrading my warbarge to level 5 and then further upgrading my subsystems not good enough for you? I understand you need to make some money but this is total bullshit. I hope the CPM will address the situation with CCP that its few remaining players do not appreciate being scammed/strong armed like this. Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting. Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh........... RUN! ITS THE WHAMBULANCE!!
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 446	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:33:00 - [102] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. LIKE A BOSS....I think you're doing the right thing! I can see all your points for game balance and to make mercs have to make tough decisions....I fully support the warbarge exactly how it is! I think its a masterpiece, my good man. Best addition to Dust 514, EVER
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 68	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:37:00 - [103] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting. Eve Online players have had to pay with time to get their Tech 2 stuff from the control towers which require fuel to operate, modules to defend it, and equipment to install. Unlike the Warbarge, the control towers are not given for free. They also required blueprints which require their own separate bill of materials to manufacture the final product. And they have been doing this for years. Skyrim players could forge jewelry from gold bars and gemstones. This is not Eve or Skyrim. They tried to link it but it failed, I'm sorry. As it is Dust is it's own game. Not even Eve players care about us. Get real. The only link we had was in FW and even that was diminished when we were giving access to warbarge strikes for FW. Nobody realizes that I'm above their heads in a ship when they have an orbital confirmation every three seconds and on top of that can use Orbitals in FW now. thankfully our FW chat is in tune with pilots wanting Gallente LP . Is that channel open to the public? :P I'd love to join and que up Gal FW. :D "I went looking for trouble, and I found it." - Charles Ponzi
punksnowmash The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 85	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:41:00 - [104] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: weapons should be free to claim i spent components to upgrade why would i use WARBARGE COMPONENTS to make WEAPONS it doesn't make any sense You don't expect them to just appear out of thin air do you? You spent components to upgrade the factory but you still gotta have the raw materials to actually produce the weapon. Jeez people use your damn head.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 702	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:51:00 - [105] - Quote I hate to agree with Rattati, but this is one of the least 'pay to win' aspects in the game. I think your issue is clearly that it wasn't 'pay to win' and since you've payed for the barge, you want a nice big 'win' to go with it. Because the advantage of being able to get these weapons (for an in-game price) before other people, isn't enough for you.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9499	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:55:00 - [106] - Quote It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*
Jaran Vilktar CORP SIX KING 127	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:02:00 - [107] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. Good. I'd hate to see pubstompers regularly spam weapons that are comparable to Officer gear. I can't believe I did it. 514 Logins

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16744	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:02:00 - [108] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Jaran Vilktar CORP SIX KING 127	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:06:00 - [109] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Gotta love dem' patch day bugs. Alway's brings the most interesting discussions on the forums (for me at least ). I can't believe I did it. 514 Logins
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9499	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:22:00 - [110] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Read the edit bro and check the time on it too because I accidentally posted it too soon on my phone. *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*

RECON BY FIRE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 465	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:03:00 - [111] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Lol, gotta love the one dev people still had faith in becoming a little brat towards the playerbase. Welcome to the monetization of Dust 514 folks! Enjoy the ride while it lasts! Stuff....?
Avallo Kantor 440	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:09:00 - [112] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Lol, gotta love the one dev people still had faith in becoming a little brat towards the playerbase. Welcome to the monetization of Dust 514 folks! Enjoy the ride while it lasts! You do realize the reason people have faith in him is because he acts like an actual human instead of a PR-bot, yes? He makes jokes / gets annoyed with people / actually acts like he wants to work here. I tend to give him a bit of slack when he gets annoyed or "bratty" at people once in a while. That said, which part is the bug? The standard gear, the 1x item, or the component cost? (or a mixture?)
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3141	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:11:00 - [113] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Lol, gotta love the one dev people still had faith in becoming a little brat towards the playerbase. Welcome to the monetization of Dust 514 folks! Enjoy the ride while it lasts! You're stupid. How do you like that? That's essentially what Kirk did to Rat -- it was uncalled for and I don't blame him one bit for responding the way that he did.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 1206	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:38:00 - [114] - Quote sometime I really dont get this forum group, complain that you have nothing to spend sp on then ccp gives you something( yeah its not very entertaining) but has long time investment that if you wanted to spend aur on could be obtained extremely fast(seems like a good way for new players to catch up in the future) but at a high cost as to not encourage the aur sale for it, leaving it as a long time investment and 3 days after its release you are complaining that your level 5 warbarge cost too much and doesnt supply experimental weapons (weapons that should be rare)and doesnt just give them to you at no expense? so you want experimental officer pub proto stomps for free? warbage = something more than signing in and out for 6000sp you collect you components and isk ect yeah the warbarge currently is less than expected but is a step forward and surely will have more to come SooNGäó is what keeps us going. good work CCP thank-you for the update *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Superior technology will privale.
Flint Beastgood III Dead Man's Game RUST415 1441	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:48:00 - [115] - Quote J[i wrote: [/i]L3Eleven]So apparently I have 2 weapons ready to claim in the Experimental Lab. and to claim such weapons I have to pay 502 Warbarge Components or 1,506 AUR. That's right I had to pay to get my warbarge to level 5 to unlock the Experimental Lab. then I upgraded it to receive better items from it. Now I have to pay to receive the items or otherwise it stops producing items. WTF CCP? was my upgrading my warbarge to level 5 and then further upgrading my subsystems not good enough for you? I understand you need to make some money but this is total bullshit. I hope the CPM will address the situation with CCP that its few remaining players do not appreciate being scammed/strong armed like this. Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting. Oh, this is BS indeed. I was trying to get clarification on this (and battle salvage). If anything, experimental weapons should be formed from battle salvage, not components. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Flint Beastgood III Dead Man's Game RUST415 1442	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:49:00 - [116] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. Isn't experimental gear between proto and officer grade? I'm sure that's what Rat said. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Meric Voyer Universal Rogue Traders 29	Posted - 2015.02.06 18:21:00 - [117] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Ah, didn't see this. LOOOOL.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6022	Posted - 2015.02.06 19:02:00 - [118] - Quote So how much is it going to be to claim a L5 "run"? -If it's more than what you are able to produce in a day then you are going to be wasting "runs" (that aren't even guaranteed to be officer weapons). -If you chose to redeem them with any regularity you'll never be able to upgrade anything else. Basically you'd have to wait months upon months to upgrade everything and then start redeeming your weapons. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 5294	Posted - 2015.02.06 19:11:00 - [119] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Sorry but this is not eve. Not even close. The point is after a certain level its either pick something you paid for or upgrade. What do you not understand about that? This is the point where you pay for the services of an alt farmer. How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Alt Farmers Neckbeard for Good charity shave
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6024	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:05:00 - [120] - Quote Level Bonus Per Day Capacity 0 1 2 1 2 4 2 3 6 3 4 8 4 5 10 5 6 12 The rumor is that Experimental Weapons will cost 200 warbarge components (WBCs). So you'll need 1000 WBCs to redeem your 5 items each day, BUT the L5 factory only produces 600 per day. If we assume that Officer Weapons at L5 are also 200 WBCs then you are looking at a choice to either waste 3 of your 6 produced items each day AND not be able to save for future upgrades elsewhere OR spend AUR. Officer Weapons will obviously cost more to redeem so you are looking at only being able to claim 1-2 of those weapons per day unless you choose to spend AUR. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.

killian178 Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2015.02.07 00:18:00 - [121] - Quote G Felix wrote: Oh look, another thread pointing out a serious problem that doesn't have a blue tag on it. These threads are almost as common as strongboxes. Serious problem? Pffffft Waaaahhhh my games not working like i think it should, wahhh. Grow up people Every commando k.o, every weapon at adv or above. Don't give a damn bout my kdr, I will kill you.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8514	Posted - 2015.02.07 02:05:00 - [122] - Quote I think it's incredibly amusing that I - Aeon Amadi - am completely chill with how the Warbarge works right now. The guy who fights BPOs, Boosters, etc tooth and nail... Is cool with the Warbarge upgrade mechanics. I'll let you guys sit and figure out why. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
trollface dot jpg The Bacon Corporation 247	Posted - 2015.02.07 03:02:00 - [123] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Lol, gotta love the one dev people still had faith in becoming a little brat towards the playerbase. Welcome to the monetization of Dust 514 folks! Enjoy the ride while it lasts! I like very few things the Imps have ever done, even now that their corp is but a smoldering ruin. But this post.... this post.... for some reason it speaks to me... RIP MAG, you will be missed. MAG Vet ~ Raven
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 140	Posted - 2015.02.07 21:53:00 - [124] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. So be it. I won't complain, however I will not spend Aurum to upgrade it to pay for more high level weaponry. I must recant. I folded =ƒÿæ
Archduke Ferd1nand nos nothi 54	Posted - 2015.02.07 22:07:00 - [125] - Quote And here I was, about to spend arurum to upgrade my war barge :/ Sorry CCP, not today. Killed by Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p on June 28 1914. Last words: "Nova Knives and a Flaylock Pistol? I might just die laughing!"


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