DUST Search - [Alert] to claim Experimental Lab weapons you have to pay for them.

Sgt Kirk wrote:

JL3Eleven wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

JL3Eleven wrote:

Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting.

Eve Online players have had to pay with time to get their Tech 2 stuff from the control towers which require fuel to operate, modules to defend it, and equipment to install. Unlike the Warbarge, the control towers are not given for free. They also required blueprints which require their own separate bill of materials to manufacture the final product. And they have been doing this for years.

Skyrim players could forge jewelry from gold bars and gemstones. This is not Eve or Skyrim. They tried to link it but it failed, I'm sorry.
As it is Dust is it's own game. Not even Eve players care about us. Get real.

The only link we had was in FW and even that was diminished when we were giving access to warbarge strikes for FW.

Nobody realizes that I'm above their heads in a ship when they have an orbital confirmation every three seconds and on top of that can use Orbitals in FW now.

thankfully our FW chat is in tune with pilots wanting Gallente LP .

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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18635	Posted - 2015.02.06 10:28:00 - [91] - Quote Do people have spending disorders? I have yet spent a single aur on the barge; instead bought another passive booster. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2015.02.06 10:32:00 - [92] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Do people have spending disorders? I have yet spent a single aur on the barge; instead bought another passive booster. Nope, though we won't have a warbarge (an actual usable one) either. Help me gain the C-II Dropsuit Pilot & Saboteur
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 959	Posted - 2015.02.06 11:28:00 - [93] - Quote Dust used to be one of the best free to play games ever. Now Dust is one of the worst pay to win games ever. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 316	Posted - 2015.02.06 12:08:00 - [94] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Dust used to be one of the best free to play games ever. Now Dust is one of the worst pay to win games ever. You're entitled to your opinion but come on that is just plain untrue. Pay to win exists and DUST is not it. Try making an alt and playing in the academy. I bet you win battles without even trying. That's because you've built up game skill - your stats will be exactly the same as everyone elses in there. Once you get into the real thing yep you will get killed over and over. but you will also out do the other newbs who graduated with you. the game requires equal parts skill and levelling up. levelling up is quicker if you pay - but arguably you learn more if you don't pay because the game can still be won with ingenuity on the battlefield. note all the crying from protostompers (big spenders) when they get blown up by a basic RE (no need to wait for one of those particularly). A newb that works out you can kill a heavy with an RE has used his brain and bagged some points. It didn't take him or her money to do it. That's just one example. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1201	Posted - 2015.02.06 12:18:00 - [95] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: note all the crying from protostompers (big spenders) when they get blown up by a basic RE (no need to wait for one of those particularly). A newb that works out you can kill a heavy with an RE has used his brain and bagged some points. It didn't take him or her money to do it. You described this game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xe0aPNz39Q «Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 316	Posted - 2015.02.06 12:21:00 - [96] - Quote Corbina Ninja wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: note all the crying from protostompers (big spenders) when they get blown up by a basic RE (no need to wait for one of those particularly). A newb that works out you can kill a heavy with an RE has used his brain and bagged some points. It didn't take him or her money to do it. You described this game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xe0aPNz39Q Always loved bomberman no doubt about that GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1480	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:38:00 - [97] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Do people have spending disorders? I have yet spent a single aur on the barge; instead bought another passive booster. But you're bad.... If I spent my time in Dust role playing I wouldn't buy a damage buff either...
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1243	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:42:00 - [98] - Quote I didn't think CCP could surprise me anymore. I was wrong. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1480	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:48:00 - [99] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I didn't think CCP could surprise me anymore. I was wrong. I really can't believe higher ups at CCP are allowing **** like this to be rolled out. This is why the tinfoil hat in me says Dust is done and no in CCP outside of Rattati and his 5 friends care (that's even a matter of opinion) about Dust internally. So they are trying to suck as much money as possible before they pull the plug...
axis alpha Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 592	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:10:00 - [100] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. basically youre confirming warlords1.0 = pay 2 win. k Play for X days, get components from the factory and rewards, upgrade your mobile factory, play Y days, upgrade laboratory, play every day and the mobile factory will grant you officer weapons, random at first, per day. Where is the pay to win? This is literally free. X and y days = to multiple days some of us have live. I can't sit for two days straight playing dust. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.

Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 445	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:32:00 - [101] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: So apparently I have 2 weapons ready to claim in the Experimental Lab. and to claim such weapons I have to pay 502 Warbarge Components or 1,506 AUR. That's right I had to pay to get my warbarge to level 5 to unlock the Experimental Lab. then I upgraded it to receive better items from it. Now I have to pay to receive the items or otherwise it stops producing items. WTF CCP? was my upgrading my warbarge to level 5 and then further upgrading my subsystems not good enough for you? I understand you need to make some money but this is total bullshit. I hope the CPM will address the situation with CCP that its few remaining players do not appreciate being scammed/strong armed like this. Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting. Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh, Wah-oh........... RUN! ITS THE WHAMBULANCE!!
Michael Epic Bragian Order Amarr Empire 446	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:33:00 - [102] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. LIKE A BOSS....I think you're doing the right thing! I can see all your points for game balance and to make mercs have to make tough decisions....I fully support the warbarge exactly how it is! I think its a masterpiece, my good man. Best addition to Dust 514, EVER
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 68	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:37:00 - [103] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting. Eve Online players have had to pay with time to get their Tech 2 stuff from the control towers which require fuel to operate, modules to defend it, and equipment to install. Unlike the Warbarge, the control towers are not given for free. They also required blueprints which require their own separate bill of materials to manufacture the final product. And they have been doing this for years. Skyrim players could forge jewelry from gold bars and gemstones. This is not Eve or Skyrim. They tried to link it but it failed, I'm sorry. As it is Dust is it's own game. Not even Eve players care about us. Get real. The only link we had was in FW and even that was diminished when we were giving access to warbarge strikes for FW. Nobody realizes that I'm above their heads in a ship when they have an orbital confirmation every three seconds and on top of that can use Orbitals in FW now. thankfully our FW chat is in tune with pilots wanting Gallente LP . Is that channel open to the public? :P I'd love to join and que up Gal FW. :D "I went looking for trouble, and I found it." - Charles Ponzi
punksnowmash The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 85	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:41:00 - [104] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: weapons should be free to claim i spent components to upgrade why would i use WARBARGE COMPONENTS to make WEAPONS it doesn't make any sense You don't expect them to just appear out of thin air do you? You spent components to upgrade the factory but you still gotta have the raw materials to actually produce the weapon. Jeez people use your damn head.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 702	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:51:00 - [105] - Quote I hate to agree with Rattati, but this is one of the least 'pay to win' aspects in the game. I think your issue is clearly that it wasn't 'pay to win' and since you've payed for the barge, you want a nice big 'win' to go with it. Because the advantage of being able to get these weapons (for an in-game price) before other people, isn't enough for you.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9499	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:55:00 - [106] - Quote It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*
Jaran Vilktar CORP SIX KING 127	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:02:00 - [107] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This is intended, you need to make difficult choices. Good. I'd hate to see pubstompers regularly spam weapons that are comparable to Officer gear. I can't believe I did it. 514 Logins

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16744	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:02:00 - [108] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Jaran Vilktar CORP SIX KING 127	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:06:00 - [109] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Gotta love dem' patch day bugs. Alway's brings the most interesting discussions on the forums (for me at least ). I can't believe I did it. 514 Logins
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9499	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:22:00 - [110] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Read the edit bro and check the time on it too because I accidentally posted it too soon on my phone. *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*

RECON BY FIRE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 465	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:03:00 - [111] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Lol, gotta love the one dev people still had faith in becoming a little brat towards the playerbase. Welcome to the monetization of Dust 514 folks! Enjoy the ride while it lasts! Stuff....?
Avallo Kantor 440	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:09:00 - [112] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Lol, gotta love the one dev people still had faith in becoming a little brat towards the playerbase. Welcome to the monetization of Dust 514 folks! Enjoy the ride while it lasts! You do realize the reason people have faith in him is because he acts like an actual human instead of a PR-bot, yes? He makes jokes / gets annoyed with people / actually acts like he wants to work here. I tend to give him a bit of slack when he gets annoyed or "bratty" at people once in a while. That said, which part is the bug? The standard gear, the 1x item, or the component cost? (or a mixture?)
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3141	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:11:00 - [113] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Lol, gotta love the one dev people still had faith in becoming a little brat towards the playerbase. Welcome to the monetization of Dust 514 folks! Enjoy the ride while it lasts! You're stupid. How do you like that? That's essentially what Kirk did to Rat -- it was uncalled for and I don't blame him one bit for responding the way that he did.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 1206	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:38:00 - [114] - Quote sometime I really dont get this forum group, complain that you have nothing to spend sp on then ccp gives you something( yeah its not very entertaining) but has long time investment that if you wanted to spend aur on could be obtained extremely fast(seems like a good way for new players to catch up in the future) but at a high cost as to not encourage the aur sale for it, leaving it as a long time investment and 3 days after its release you are complaining that your level 5 warbarge cost too much and doesnt supply experimental weapons (weapons that should be rare)and doesnt just give them to you at no expense? so you want experimental officer pub proto stomps for free? warbage = something more than signing in and out for 6000sp you collect you components and isk ect yeah the warbarge currently is less than expected but is a step forward and surely will have more to come SooNGäó is what keeps us going. good work CCP thank-you for the update *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Superior technology will privale.
Flint Beastgood III Dead Man's Game RUST415 1441	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:48:00 - [115] - Quote J[i wrote: [/i]L3Eleven]So apparently I have 2 weapons ready to claim in the Experimental Lab. and to claim such weapons I have to pay 502 Warbarge Components or 1,506 AUR. That's right I had to pay to get my warbarge to level 5 to unlock the Experimental Lab. then I upgraded it to receive better items from it. Now I have to pay to receive the items or otherwise it stops producing items. WTF CCP? was my upgrading my warbarge to level 5 and then further upgrading my subsystems not good enough for you? I understand you need to make some money but this is total bullshit. I hope the CPM will address the situation with CCP that its few remaining players do not appreciate being scammed/strong armed like this. Edit: TLDR: We should not have to pay (with time or AUR) to receive items from the Experimental Lab. It's insulting. Oh, this is BS indeed. I was trying to get clarification on this (and battle salvage). If anything, experimental weapons should be formed from battle salvage, not components. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Flint Beastgood III Dead Man's Game RUST415 1442	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:49:00 - [116] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. Isn't experimental gear between proto and officer grade? I'm sure that's what Rat said. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Meric Voyer Universal Rogue Traders 29	Posted - 2015.02.06 18:21:00 - [117] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's not pay to win in this point, but its an extremely stupid mechanic to have standard level gear cost 103 components only to get ONE of that item. Thankfully we no longer have to worry about that. it was a bug, you can stop acting like it was the designed intent Ah, didn't see this. LOOOOL.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6022	Posted - 2015.02.06 19:02:00 - [118] - Quote So how much is it going to be to claim a L5 "run"? -If it's more than what you are able to produce in a day then you are going to be wasting "runs" (that aren't even guaranteed to be officer weapons). -If you chose to redeem them with any regularity you'll never be able to upgrade anything else. Basically you'd have to wait months upon months to upgrade everything and then start redeeming your weapons. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 5294	Posted - 2015.02.06 19:11:00 - [119] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Sorry but this is not eve. Not even close. The point is after a certain level its either pick something you paid for or upgrade. What do you not understand about that? This is the point where you pay for the services of an alt farmer. How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Alt Farmers Neckbeard for Good charity shave
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6024	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:05:00 - [120] - Quote Level Bonus Per Day Capacity 0 1 2 1 2 4 2 3 6 3 4 8 4 5 10 5 6 12 The rumor is that Experimental Weapons will cost 200 warbarge components (WBCs). So you'll need 1000 WBCs to redeem your 5 items each day, BUT the L5 factory only produces 600 per day. If we assume that Officer Weapons at L5 are also 200 WBCs then you are looking at a choice to either waste 3 of your 6 produced items each day AND not be able to save for future upgrades elsewhere OR spend AUR. Officer Weapons will obviously cost more to redeem so you are looking at only being able to claim 1-2 of those weapons per day unless you choose to spend AUR. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.



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