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bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1311	Posted - 2015.01.28 01:41:00 - [91] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: No K Glad we could work that out. I didn't expect much when I seen a blue tag on this post Rattati will seemingly do what he wants and the CPM will continue to make excuses.. Keep giving people that have a valid complaint the cold shoulder Rattati and see where that gets the dwindling community you claim you care about...
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge 2794	Posted - 2015.01.28 01:44:00 - [92] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: No K Glad we could work that out. Riley bud, i usually back up most of what you're saying, but this time you're refusing to accept the answer. The reasons have been mentioned a few times, and by a few different CPMs. I know it wasn't Ratattis word, but its the truth. Rat's being curt because this is a done, non negotiating issue. It sucks but it is what it is. Damn that's depressing. Just make a PS4 port! Please for the love of everything holy give this game it's deserved 10 years. *Keshava for Gallente Vehicle!* . a+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë a+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 206	Posted - 2015.01.28 01:49:00 - [93] - Quote Last time I made a thread asking to deal with the real problems of this game (hit detection, lag issues), I mentionnened the fact that the reason why CCP wasn't fixing them was because it would be a hard work that could not be monetize in any way. It was just a thought I had. And one of the CPM (can't remember who) told me that it was "nonsense". Yet, when I read the patch note, I see cool stuffs about warbarges, I see very few minor bug fixed and reintroduction of already existing features AND A HUGE CASHGRAB AGAIN. 80% of this patch note is about AUR stuffs/ items impossible to get without AUR or insane luck. Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7050	Posted - 2015.01.28 01:57:00 - [94] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: It sucks but it is what it is. I'm under no illusions that Warlords 1.0'sl features and AUR monetization can be changed now. I'm just hoping that the future expansions and updates could feature less prominent gold sales tactics. Empress willing, maybe even a ln update without monetization... One can hope. One can dream. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1311	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:01:00 - [95] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: No K Glad we could work that out. Riley bud, i usually back up most of what you're saying, but this time you're refusing to accept the answer. The reasons have been mentioned a few times, and by a few different CPMs. I know it wasn't Ratattis word, but its the truth. Rat's being curt because this is a done, non negotiating issue. It sucks but it is what it is. Damn that's depressing. Just make a PS4 port! Please for the love of everything holy give this game it's deserved 10 years. This is what I think the majority of us vets are so upset over.. Regardless of the complaint, we complain because we know Dust could be 10x better then where it's heading. Sure these are neat additions but it's not the vision we all had and we think CCP had at the start of this ride. If Rattati and team just want to turn this into a temporary cash shop before the big dog Legion is released (if even) then let us know or give us some news on Legion. But with very little transparency on where Dust is going besides into your back pocket it's hard not to complain about trivial content but massive cash grab updates..
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1338	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:02:00 - [96] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: No K Glad we could work that out. The way the colors on assets works makes it very easy for CCP to just change colors of different portions of the suits. It really wouldn't take more than a day or so, for everything. Dual tanking is for bad players. 21 day EVE trial.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8000	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:17:00 - [97] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Couldn't the time spent on 'Quafe' things be spent on developing art assets for the missing weapons? How about the missing vehicles? That's just one example. Here's the thing dude. Process to change a shader: - Tweaking a few color values on the materials Process to design a new weapon: Modeling: - Several variants of concept art ---> Choose concept art you like. - Prepare modeling sheet - Build a base mesh - Separate unique and/or potentially moving pieces for the animator - Adapt the pieces to fit the design - Model the kittener - Sculpt details into model (freaggin ridiculous amounts of time) - Retopologizing Texturing: - Material identification (concept art) - UV /PreparationUnwrapping - Base texture art (build from scratch, mind you) - Bump mapping - Specularity mapping - Decals - Shaders (colors) - Map baking (things like ambient occlusion and cavity mapping) Animation (I don't know as much about this): - Rigging (basically the skeleton of the moving parts the animator works with) - Model animation creation and optimization - Particle physics animations (if any) Optimization: - Reducing model resolution as to not overwhelm the PS3's GPU/CPU/Memory. - Reducing sound viability (sound often has the largest memory take) - Reducing texture resolution Sound Design: - Material acquisition (a steel plate, for example, to smash against) - Recording - Editing (broad term) - Post effects - Syncing with model dynamic model animation - Cutting - Exporting Databasing: - Assigning weapon it's own unique ID - Assigning weapon ID to database, etc. - Knowing how many of 'x' weapon are assigned to 'y' player's assets - Traded? Sold? Bought? Salvage? - Balancing statistics and numbers - Adjusting statistics and numbers for intended design as to not break the animations/sound (firing too fast for the animation to handle) I dunno how CCP does things but that's just a rough outlier of how it's actually handled from start to finish. Thing takes -hours if not days or weeks- to design and implement a new weapon start to finish. Changing a few colors on a shader is no big deal, you just go into the shader values and adjust them, boom. Done. Actually making a brand new weapon takes an entire team -LOTS- of time and as has been discussed a dozen times over, just isn't possible when that team is working on Project Legion. Could we get a trickle down from Project Legion to Dust 514? Perhaps, all depends on whether or not the weapon can be optimized to go from modern PC specs to out-dated PS3 specs (most PCs now have 8GB-16GB of Memory while the PS3 has 256 MB... Just as an example). Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7055	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:23:00 - [98] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Making new weapons is hard. Aeon is going to be pissed when he finds out someone hacked his PSN account to defend CCP's Dust 514 monetization techniques. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8002	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:28:00 - [99] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Making new weapons is hard. Aeon is going to be pissed when he finds out someone hacked his PSN account to defend CCP's Dust 514 monetization techniques. Nah, brah. I just know a thing or two about game development because I used to -be- in game development (albeit, text-based RPGs and concept art for larger projects) and am going to school for it beginning this Fall. Game development is a pain in the kitten, it really is. A lot of people don't realize just how much work goes into that little thing you take for granted. A lot of the stuff is defaulted to the engine now-a-days (lighting and what not) but the stuff listed above doesn't even cover programming the actual gameplay... The GUI... etc. The amount of work it takes just to get our skills working is insane. We see it as "dump SP into 'x' skill, gain 'y' level" but a programmer sees that as a potential nightmare: What weapon IDs/Tags does that skill affect? How much? For how long? What suits are contributing to those affects? What equipment/modules are attributing to those affects? Do they last after death? etc. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8002	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:32:00 - [100] - Quote If it's one thing I wish CCP would do, if only to make their development time a bit easier, is figure out a way to have multiple Weapon IDs/Tags affected by overarching changes. What I mean by that is, say, if CCP Rattati had to go in and change the damage of all the assault rifles by 10%... With current mechanics he'd have to go in and change every. Single. Freaggin. One. Militia, STD, ADV, Proto, Experimental, Specialist, Officer BPO, BPC ISK, Aurum, LP, Experimental Event, Monetization Pack You can tell they have to be done manually because every so often a change will occur to a weapon, dropsuit, or module and one of them (probably some far off one like a closed beta gift or something) will still have the old stats. Imagine how much time could be saved if they figured out a way to just make a single change that applied to all of them within a certain teir or meta level. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback

Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1191	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:36:00 - [101] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But you can't "just fix it" something. Not releasing more Quafe things would not equal more fixes for the game, nor would not adding the ability to buy components. The programmers have worked on some key issues this patch, with SP changes, fixes for vehicle glitches like the MCRU bug and the glitch with falling through the map, and not bringing players into completed matches. There is a lot of stuff to fix and a limited number of people to fix it. And there's other sought-after things the devs are working on as well. Couldn't the time spent on 'Quafe' things be spent on developing art assets for the missing weapons? How about the missing vehicles? That's just one example. No You would have been better served to not reply at all than with this. I can understand being mad, frustrated or whatever which would cause you to want to post "No". I get it. But you just can't. This community has fiercely stuck with this game even when your own company had given up on it. This is a very loyal community. We can be a whiny ungrateful bunch at times but it is only because we enjoy DUST 514 so much. To post a a one word, terse, brusque response,,,well, we deserve more courtesy/respect than that. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1429	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:37:00 - [102] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But you can't "just fix it" something. Not releasing more Quafe things would not equal more fixes for the game, nor would not adding the ability to buy components. The programmers have worked on some key issues this patch, with SP changes, fixes for vehicle glitches like the MCRU bug and the glitch with falling through the map, and not bringing players into completed matches. There is a lot of stuff to fix and a limited number of people to fix it. And there's other sought-after things the devs are working on as well. Couldn't the time spent on 'Quafe' things be spent on developing art assets for the missing weapons? How about the missing vehicles? That's just one example. No You would have been better served to not reply at all than with this. I can understand being mad, frustrated or whatever which would cause you to want to post "No". I get it. But you just can't. This community has fiercley stuck with this game even when your own company had given up on it. This is a very loyal community. We can be a whiny ungrateful bunch at times but it is only because we enjoy DUST 514 so much. To post a a one word, terse, brusque response,,,well, we deserve more courtesy than that. Read my above post to Ripley I've seen more bad ideas on these forums than the US Congress over the last decade.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 15889	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:37:00 - [103] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: If it's one thing I wish CCP would do, if only to make their development time a bit easier, is figure out a way to have multiple Weapon IDs/Tags affected by overarching changes. What I mean by that is, say, if CCP Rattati had to go in and change the damage of all the assault rifles by 10%... With current mechanics he'd have to go in and change every. Single. Freaggin. One. Militia, STD, ADV, Proto, Experimental, Specialist, Officer BPO, BPC ISK, Aurum, LP, Experimental Event, Monetization Pack You can tell they have to be done manually because every so often a change will occur to a weapon, dropsuit, or module and one of them (probably some far off one like a closed beta gift or something) will still have the old stats. Imagine how much time could be saved if they figured out a way to just make a single change that applied to all of them within a certain teir or meta level. We actually have a hierarchical item authoring database, called CATMA, but it is not perfect.... We fix the hierarchy with every update, it's getting a lot better. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8002	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:37:00 - [104] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But you can't "just fix it" something. Not releasing more Quafe things would not equal more fixes for the game, nor would not adding the ability to buy components. The programmers have worked on some key issues this patch, with SP changes, fixes for vehicle glitches like the MCRU bug and the glitch with falling through the map, and not bringing players into completed matches. There is a lot of stuff to fix and a limited number of people to fix it. And there's other sought-after things the devs are working on as well. Couldn't the time spent on 'Quafe' things be spent on developing art assets for the missing weapons? How about the missing vehicles? That's just one example. No You would have been better served to not reply at all than with this. I can understand being mad, frustrated or whatever which would cause you to want to post "No". I get it. But you just can't. This community has fiercely stuck with this game even when your own company had given up on it. This is a very loyal community. We can be a whiny ungrateful bunch at times but it is only because we enjoy DUST 514 so much. To post a a one word, terse, brusque response,,,well, we deserve more courtesy than that. So the dude isn't allowed to answer the question with brevity..? He has to spend time explaining why everything has/hasn't a reason when we can do it just the same? Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8003	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:39:00 - [105] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: If it's one thing I wish CCP would do, if only to make their development time a bit easier, is figure out a way to have multiple Weapon IDs/Tags affected by overarching changes. What I mean by that is, say, if CCP Rattati had to go in and change the damage of all the assault rifles by 10%... With current mechanics he'd have to go in and change every. Single. Freaggin. One. Militia, STD, ADV, Proto, Experimental, Specialist, Officer BPO, BPC ISK, Aurum, LP, Experimental Event, Monetization Pack You can tell they have to be done manually because every so often a change will occur to a weapon, dropsuit, or module and one of them (probably some far off one like a closed beta gift or something) will still have the old stats. Imagine how much time could be saved if they figured out a way to just make a single change that applied to all of them within a certain teir or meta level. We actually have a system, called CATMA, but it is not perfect... Could perhaps set aside some dev time to optimize it? I'm just spitballing here, honestly. Think it'd be a much better use of Dev Time in the long-term, especially if those optimizations can cross over to Legion. I know the guys working on Eve Online were really adamant about ship skins because of the same reason (having to balance every single one individually) but I believe they recently had some revelation that allowed it to happen. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Iria Gren Liquid Swords 90	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:40:00 - [106] - Quote to be fare this update brought exactly what i wanted a commando bpo

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 15892	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:48:00 - [107] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But you can't "just fix it" something. Not releasing more Quafe things would not equal more fixes for the game, nor would not adding the ability to buy components. The programmers have worked on some key issues this patch, with SP changes, fixes for vehicle glitches like the MCRU bug and the glitch with falling through the map, and not bringing players into completed matches. There is a lot of stuff to fix and a limited number of people to fix it. And there's other sought-after things the devs are working on as well. Couldn't the time spent on 'Quafe' things be spent on developing art assets for the missing weapons? How about the missing vehicles? That's just one example. No You would have been better served to not reply at all than with this. I can understand being mad, frustrated or whatever which would cause you to want to post "No". I get it. But you just can't. This community has fiercely stuck with this game even when your own company had given up on it. This is a very loyal community. We can be a whiny ungrateful bunch at times but it is only because we enjoy DUST 514 so much. To post a a one word, terse, brusque response,,,well, we deserve more courtesy/respect than that. Do you really think, that I and the team, would not make new weapons and vehicles, if it was a straight up "one to one" trade between Faction skins and an Amarr tank, for example? When the answer is no, I am going to say no, not maybe. The Warbarge is a foundation for the future of dust, PC, crafting, corporation, it is the base, your pride, your fixed point in New Eden. Creating and developing this modular concept is the only way forward and I am very proud of it and the team. Monetization for it is hindsight, and intended for play-on-the-weekend-3-kid-dads like me that can't play every day, but would love to upgrade to get some experimental weapons one day. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1192	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:49:00 - [108] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But you can't "just fix it" something. Not releasing more Quafe things would not equal more fixes for the game, nor would not adding the ability to buy components. The programmers have worked on some key issues this patch, with SP changes, fixes for vehicle glitches like the MCRU bug and the glitch with falling through the map, and not bringing players into completed matches. There is a lot of stuff to fix and a limited number of people to fix it. And there's other sought-after things the devs are working on as well. Couldn't the time spent on 'Quafe' things be spent on developing art assets for the missing weapons? How about the missing vehicles? That's just one example. No You would have been better served to not reply at all than with this. I can understand being mad, frustrated or whatever which would cause you to want to post "No". I get it. But you just can't. This community has fiercely stuck with this game even when your own company had given up on it. This is a very loyal community. We can be a whiny ungrateful bunch at times but it is only because we enjoy DUST 514 so much. To post a a one word, terse, brusque response,,,well, we deserve more courtesy than that. So the dude isn't allowed to answer the question with brevity..? He has to spend time explaining why everything has/hasn't a reason when we can do it just the same? Rattati seems tho think he is "one of the guys." He is not. He is an employee of the company which makes this game and like it or not, is the de facto liaison and voice of CCP to this community. Simply typing "No" sans punctuation makes it clear to anyone with a brain what his meaning is. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1429	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:03:00 - [109] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But you can't "just fix it" something. Not releasing more Quafe things would not equal more fixes for the game, nor would not adding the ability to buy components. The programmers have worked on some key issues this patch, with SP changes, fixes for vehicle glitches like the MCRU bug and the glitch with falling through the map, and not bringing players into completed matches. There is a lot of stuff to fix and a limited number of people to fix it. And there's other sought-after things the devs are working on as well. Couldn't the time spent on 'Quafe' things be spent on developing art assets for the missing weapons? How about the missing vehicles? That's just one example. No You would have been better served to not reply at all than with this. I can understand being mad, frustrated or whatever which would cause you to want to post "No". I get it. But you just can't. This community has fiercely stuck with this game even when your own company had given up on it. This is a very loyal community. We can be a whiny ungrateful bunch at times but it is only because we enjoy DUST 514 so much. To post a a one word, terse, brusque response,,,well, we deserve more courtesy/respect than that. Do you really think, that I and the team, would not make new weapons and vehicles, if it was a straight up "one to one" trade between Faction skins and an Amarr tank, for example? When the answer is no, I am going to say no, not maybe. The Warbarge is a foundation for the future of dust, PC, crafting, corporation, it is the base, your pride, your fixed point in New Eden. Creating and developing this modular concept is the only way forward and I am very proud of it and the team. Monetization for it is hindsight, and intended for play-on-the-weekend-3-kid-dads like me that can't play every day, but would love to upgrade to get some experimental weapons one day. Effing Pwned Eruditus. Now just let the man work! I've seen more bad ideas on these forums than the US Congress over the last decade.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8007	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:11:00 - [110] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Rattati seems tho think he is "one of the guys." He is not. He is an employee of the company which makes this game and like it or not, is the de facto liaison and voice of CCP to this community. Simply typing "No" sans punctuation makes it clear to anyone with a brain what his meaning is. You seem to think that Game Developers and their Consumers are like some Government Entity and the People where the govenrment is going to paid whether the people are happy or not. It's anything but. They're people as well, they have families to feed and dinner ot put on the table whether you like it or not, and a lot of them genuinely have the best interests of their consumers in mind -BECAUSE- they don't gain anything from it unless our best interests are met. This isn't some "hurrr he's the representative of his entire company and HIS COMAPNY IS DEH DEVIL" it's a dude trying to do his job and is upfront with his clients when something can't be done. It doesn't need some long drawn out explanation, it doesn't require some shy/apprehensive apology where the dude is terrified of the consequences of being real with you. This isn't some "I don't mean to be disrespectful, and I apologize, but we really... can't... do it... I hope you understand but if you don't I'll totally recant my statement and get RIGHT ON THAT." Dude said no. That's the final word on it. No. If you can't deal with that and you need some petty explanation or apologetic letter with a long drawn out explanation then you're in the -WRONG- field bro. Need to be on the front-lines of some feminist protest or something. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback

bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1313	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:35:00 - [111] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Rattati seems tho think he is "one of the guys." He is not. He is an employee of the company which makes this game and like it or not, is the de facto liaison and voice of CCP to this community. Simply typing "No" sans punctuation makes it clear to anyone with a brain what his meaning is. You seem to think that Game Developers and their Consumers are like some Government Entity and the People where the govenrment is going to paid whether the people are happy or not. It's anything but. They're people as well, they have families to feed and dinner ot put on the table whether you like it or not, and a lot of them genuinely have the best interests of their consumers in mind -BECAUSE- they don't gain anything from it unless our best interests are met. This isn't some "hurrr he's the representative of his entire company and HIS COMAPNY IS DEH DEVIL" it's a dude trying to do his job and is upfront with his clients when something can't be done. It doesn't need some long drawn out explanation, it doesn't require some shy/apprehensive apology where the dude is terrified of the consequences of being real with you. This isn't some "I don't mean to be disrespectful, and I apologize, but we really... can't... do it... I hope you understand but if you don't I'll totally recant my statement and get RIGHT ON THAT." Dude said no. That's the final word on it. No. If you can't deal with that and you need some petty explanation or apologetic letter with a long drawn out explanation then you're in the -WRONG- field bro. Need to be on the front-lines of some feminist protest or something. I have to disagree Aeon Its pretty simple.. He, as in Ratatti, is a face of the company expecting money (Seriously expecting money with this update) from us the customers of his company, since he works for said company we are investing in... There is something called humility and when you're a public figure for any business it's best to practice it more so then not. The nature of using a "No" for a reply to a thread can be relative depending on the nature of the thread or comment. In this case it was basically a spit in the face to the people concerned over the current state of micro transactions.. If I as a customer ordered food and my food came out wrong, when I asked for it to be corrected and the waitress simply said "NO" and walked away.. Anyone would flip ****, post multiple bad reviews on every social media outlet available and never return to that restaurant again. But if the lady apologized and explained why my food was messed up and that it couldn't be corrected because they were out of olives I would probably be ok with that and understanding about the situation.. In a respectable business model that company would of told me "No" they are out of olives when I ordered the dish this is something CCP doesn't do. They expect us to keep eating regardless of whats in it or where it came from...
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 292	Posted - 2015.01.28 04:32:00 - [112] - Quote I do understand posts like this, Dust 514 is not seen as mainstream but having more of a cult following and I get why you would want it to be exclusive but please it is first and foremost a business. Posts like this are what kill small businesses. I would prefer if Dust has more than a 100 new ways to make money because it will increase the life of this product ISK Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1193	Posted - 2015.01.28 04:34:00 - [113] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Rattati seems tho think he is "one of the guys." He is not. He is an employee of the company which makes this game and like it or not, is the de facto liaison and voice of CCP to this community. Simply typing "No" sans punctuation makes it clear to anyone with a brain what his meaning is. You seem to think that Game Developers and their Consumers are like some Government Entity and the People where the govenrment is going to paid whether the people are happy or not. It's anything but. They're people as well, they have families to feed and dinner ot put on the table whether you like it or not, and a lot of them genuinely have the best interests of their consumers in mind -BECAUSE- they don't gain anything from it unless our best interests are met. This isn't some "hurrr he's the representative of his entire company and HIS COMAPNY IS DEH DEVIL" it's a dude trying to do his job and is upfront with his clients when something can't be done. It doesn't need some long drawn out explanation, it doesn't require some shy/apprehensive apology where the dude is terrified of the consequences of being real with you. This isn't some "I don't mean to be disrespectful, and I apologize, but we really... can't... do it... I hope you understand but if you don't I'll totally recant my statement and get RIGHT ON THAT." Dude said no. That's the final word on it. No. If you can't deal with that and you need some petty explanation or apologetic letter with a long drawn out explanation then you're in the -WRONG- field bro. Need to be on the front-lines of some feminist protest or something. "Feminist protest"?? I am not sure why you feel the need to attack me personally. I stand by my opinions without needing to demean others personally. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4854	Posted - 2015.01.28 04:37:00 - [114] - Quote Damn, I didn't understand anything in the OP. All I got from it was: SHOOT SCOUT WITH YES!!! I'm dumb...
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18526	Posted - 2015.01.28 04:49:00 - [115] - Quote Uhm the restaurant example is all wrong. The customer asked for fish The restaurant said no; we only serve stake because we have nobody to cook the fish. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1432	Posted - 2015.01.28 04:51:00 - [116] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Uhm the restaurant example is all wrong. The customer asked for fish The restaurant said no; we only serve stake because we have nobody to cook the fish. STOP MAKING ME LIKE YOU! I've seen more bad ideas on these forums than the US Congress over the last decade.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7058	Posted - 2015.01.28 04:54:00 - [117] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Damn, I didn't understand anything in the OP. All I got from it was: SHOOT SCOUT WITH YES!!! I'm dumb... No, my friend, you are smarter than us all. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8013	Posted - 2015.01.28 04:55:00 - [118] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Rattati seems tho think he is "one of the guys." He is not. He is an employee of the company which makes this game and like it or not, is the de facto liaison and voice of CCP to this community. Simply typing "No" sans punctuation makes it clear to anyone with a brain what his meaning is. You seem to think that Game Developers and their Consumers are like some Government Entity and the People where the govenrment is going to paid whether the people are happy or not. It's anything but. They're people as well, they have families to feed and dinner ot put on the table whether you like it or not, and a lot of them genuinely have the best interests of their consumers in mind -BECAUSE- they don't gain anything from it unless our best interests are met. This isn't some "hurrr he's the representative of his entire company and HIS COMAPNY IS DEH DEVIL" it's a dude trying to do his job and is upfront with his clients when something can't be done. It doesn't need some long drawn out explanation, it doesn't require some shy/apprehensive apology where the dude is terrified of the consequences of being real with you. This isn't some "I don't mean to be disrespectful, and I apologize, but we really... can't... do it... I hope you understand but if you don't I'll totally recant my statement and get RIGHT ON THAT." Dude said no. That's the final word on it. No. If you can't deal with that and you need some petty explanation or apologetic letter with a long drawn out explanation then you're in the -WRONG- field bro. Need to be on the front-lines of some feminist protest or something. I have to disagree Aeon Its pretty simple.. He, as in Ratatti, is a face of the company expecting money (Seriously expecting money with this update) from us the customers of his company, since he works for said company we are investing in... There is something called humility and when you're a public figure for any business it's best to practice it more so then not. The nature of using a "No" for a reply to a thread can be relative depending on the nature of the thread or comment. In this case it was basically a spit in the face to the people concerned over the current state of micro transactions.. If I as a customer ordered food and my food came out wrong, when I asked for it to be corrected and the waitress simply said "NO" and walked away.. Anyone would flip ****, post multiple bad reviews on every social media outlet available and never return to that restaurant again. But if the lady apologized and explained why my food was messed up and that it couldn't be corrected because they were out of olives I would probably be ok with that and understanding about the situation.. In a respectable business model that company would of told me "No" they are out of olives when I ordered the dish this is something CCP doesn't do. They expect us to keep eating regardless of whats in it or where it came from... EDIT: The more I read your post the more ignorant it sounds... Take this from someone that spent 3years in HR and 4years in marketing and communications, I have to tell you sir you have a lot to learn.. (Not to sound cocky just telling you my background) Look at a game like Star Citizen for example, probably one of the most humble and transparent gaming companies to date and they are reaching 70+ Million solely in crowdfunding. Breaking records purely because of the dedicated and supportive fanbase that they continue to bend over backwards for. So I dare you to go tell Chris Roberts and crew that they need to join a feminist movement and are in the wrong field because of the way they treat their community... ? Than I'm ignorant, but at least I'm thick skinned enough to take 'no' for an answer when asking a direct, specific question without following up with, "why?". I personally think the need for explanation and apologetic responses is derived from the further dependency on 'niceness' and this misconstrued ideal of 'compassion'. It's something I continually pondered on the modern age. The hilarious part is when I was up here fighting for an explanation for every little thing, not a single one of you kittens were up there with me. Things like asking for updates on Project Legion, further transparency on long-term goals and what not. Where were you when no-one was saying anything? What about the olives then, eh? But no, when it comes to 'Quafe' suits (changing color values on shaders, relatively simple) versus full on brand new weapon design (requiring an entire team to work at) you guys are the first ones to jump and call foul, pandering to this ideal that somehow a dude simply saying 'no' is some great overarching biblical sign that he's a kitten-hole. Kittening priorities, man. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5774	Posted - 2015.01.28 04:58:00 - [119] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Pretty cool stuff. Fight the good fight, Amadi o7 I felt like posting stuff, too, but you're pretty much handling it pretty well. Great work.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1315	Posted - 2015.01.28 04:58:00 - [120] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Uhm the restaurant example is all wrong. The customer asked for fish The restaurant said no; we only serve stake because we have nobody to cook the fish. I said the restaurant should tell it's customer what it had or didn't have before hand.. Unfortunately the restaurant CCP runs doesn't even have a menu or positive reviews for that matter to suggest otherwise..



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