DUST Search - FPS? Reward Warriors More WP, And Logis Less WP

Clone D wrote:

Aiwha Bait wrote:

Orion Sanjeet wrote:

Clone D wrote:

abdullah muzaffar wrote:

...Do you even know how expensive logisuits are? Even my adv suit costs 95k, and thats cause i sacrifice hp, speed, and offense just to support my team. It is always the logi that gets shot down first, and the one to receive the least help.

Build a cheaper suit.

I can easily rank #1 with an 8460 ISK Triage fitting:

'Valor' Logistics M-1
'Dren' Assault Rifle
nanohive
KIN-012 Nanite Injector
BDR-2 Repair Tool
Militia Shield Extender Blueprint (x2)
Militia Armor Plates Blueprint (x2)

It will cost a little bit more without the BPO, but it is highly effective and cheap. I'm sure you could measure the diminishing returns of a proto suit over std/adv gear by performing a benefit/cost analysis.

If that is your suit, just stay in your merc quarters cause you aren't helping anyone. Proto hives, links, and rep tool or bust, on the suit you can skimp, but not the gear.

Yep. Totally agree. You're not doing jack sh*t with that BDR-2, and standard hives. Proto suit for maximum equipment slots (but that equals more logi WPs, so ignore if you want). Six Kin tool for 2 streams (i.e. more WP, but since you're against logis getting so many WPs, you may wanna ignore that), basic needle (more to rep when you pick up the fallen comrade (More WPs, but again ignore because of what you believe), and you should carry Wyrikomi-thingy rep hives and Ishukone ammo hives (again, maximizing logi WPs, but ignore since you hate us). So if you implement all those changes, you're set to become the greatest godd*mn logi in New Eden. Unfortunately, because of your utter hate and douche baggery, you wont use these tips to be a better logi. :/ Your loss.

This thread is about the minimal effort it takes to earn WP as a logi.

It is not about the ideal logi build, and the standard to which you hold yourself and others.

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Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 639	Posted - 2014.12.31 04:28:00 - [121] - Quote 80% of logi job now is to hold R1 and sometimes pick up that fat ass in front of you. Lets be honest, thats how it looks. At the same time, i'm not saying that slaying is that much harder. But it requires more thinking. Ps. Logi job isn't the hardest one. For eg. Scout that needs to break through enemy lines and sabotage them needs to work harder than logi. Also logi requires just as much sp investment as scout does. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1101	Posted - 2014.12.31 04:41:00 - [122] - Quote I don't want to read all this rabble but all I'm saying is... Killstreak WP should def be a thing. 5 kills +100 wp 10 kills + 200 wp Something..
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 5023	Posted - 2014.12.31 07:10:00 - [123] - Quote ITT: the OP continues to QQ about the size of his ahem WP. BTW, you missed a minor point about cost. The suits may cost about the same, but EQ is not free. Little known fact. Also, you are correct on one thing: it's not very hard to get out a rep tool and hold the button down. The trick is staying alive. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1700	Posted - 2014.12.31 09:14:00 - [124] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: ITT: the OP continues to QQ about the size of his ahem WP. BTW, you missed a minor point about cost. The suits may cost about the same, but EQ is not free. Little known fact. Also, you are correct on one thing: it's not very hard to get out a rep tool and hold the button down. The trick is staying alive. staying alive in a logi is far easier because the activity you are involved in is less dangerous I already posted my logi fit back a few pages, it is a WP printing machine and rarely died (if at all) because I was always staying atleast 25m out of harms way and repping people. more WP means more SP, thus it is also prints SP. if you are not stupid and play carefully you wont go negative with this proto fit and collect 3k WP every match.
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2014.12.31 10:16:00 - [125] - Quote Clone D wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Clone D wrote: Build a cheaper suit. 'Valor' Logistics M-1 'Dren' Assault Rifle Nanohive KIN-012 Nanite Injector BDR-2 Repair Tool Militia Shield Extender Blueprint (x2) Militia Armor Plates Blueprint (x2) It will cost a little bit more without the BPO, but it is highly effective and cheap. I'm sure you could measure the diminishing returns of a proto suit over std/adv gear by performing a benefit/cost analysis. If you are going to post a fitting, post one without BPOs. Assume we are not willing to spend AUR. Also, make it in protofits so we know it would have the required CPU/PG. Also, two armor plates? You'll have eHP and move like a turtle on Valium. Logis are already slow to begin with. This fitting would get annihilated while attempting to rep anyone. I have used that fitting to rank #1 on several occasions. Modify it as you see fit, but the point is that you can make an effective logi suit for less than 90k ISK. Logis on average still cost more than assaults per fit You can argue semantic of course But in my fittings list where cost of fitting does not exist nor is it a worry My adv minmatar assault and my adv amar assault cost 40 k exactly where as my adv amar logi and adv minmatar logi average 60 to 80 k per fitting yes the role cam be incredibly easy in pubs ..as far as the actual logi..in goes revive walk over press r1 get more wp than a kill Repping hide in a corner holding r1 occasionally kill a scout who sneaks after you Team firing ..shoot at what your teams shooting at for the assist or kill a steal ..(no logis do this anymore except the good ones ) Logis are slower than assaults they have less hp lower recovery ..which makes survivability harder They aren't designed to he able to hold solid hp amounts while still holding a decent gun ..so in general killing in a good logi suit is harder Most logis seem.to never pull Thier gun out ..like they don't even know what it is ..when they do pull it out they sit there looking at it like hmmm..does this thing have a safety ..while they get shot Personally i kinda agree with the op that logi wp come to easy .. I think ccp should give them a soft cap reset able by getting an assist Kinda like the hard wp cap that you have to wait for or get a kill to reset . Ide like a function for logi that would force team firing and more gun active logi play styles For example if every 750 wp I had to stop n get an assist to continue gaining wp it wouldn't phase me at all like any good logi I'm always team firing and focus firing enemies But scrubby logis would be forced to use Thier gun and get better with it Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
P14GU3 Savage Bullet 979	Posted - 2014.12.31 10:22:00 - [126] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: 80% of logi job now is to hold R1 and sometimes pick up that fat ass in front of you. Lets be honest, thats how it looks. At the same time, i'm not saying that slaying is that much harder. But it requires more thinking. Ps. Logi job isn't the hardest one. For eg. Scout that needs to break through enemy lines and sabotage them needs to work harder than logi. Also logi requires just as much sp investment as scout does. TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Did this guy just say scout was the hardest class? Excuse me for a sec... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Ok im better. For a sec I thought this guy said that easy-mode scouts with their built in wallhacks and near undetectable status was hard-mode.. Wait, what? He did say that? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Im now officially done with this thread. Argueing with clueless people is just a waste of my time... I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound 2368	Posted - 2014.12.31 10:41:00 - [127] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: staying alive in a logi is far easier because the activity you are involved in is less dangerous. False. Your job is to be in the same fight with everyone else. There's no point in being a logi away from the fight; they don't need your reps or your ammo or your needles out in the middle of nowhere by yourself. They need you up front with the slayers. You must be there, picking up people, repping them, and feeding them ammo, all the while having the same risk of death that they have. What makes it more dangerous is that you are in the fight without focusing on killing the enemy. Your keeping everyone up and running, thus not shooting, thus not able to defend yourself. You also cost more than the other suits because you pay out the nose for your equipment. In addition, you have less health, less regen, less speed, higher profile, and no sidearm compared to your assault brethren. Finally, you are the primary target for the enemy, because you re the entire reason they haven't won the fight. The sooner they can kill the guy keeping everyone alive, the sooner they can end the fight. Do not go gentle into that good night; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6105	Posted - 2014.12.31 11:26:00 - [128] - Quote the idea that a logi requires less thought is hilarious. A good logi just obeys the rotation. a GREAT logi makes an entire squad (not a pet fatty) almost invulnerable. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 853	Posted - 2014.12.31 13:23:00 - [129] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: RayRay James wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I agree with the premise of the OP, if not some of the details. My observations: WP are awarded at too high a rate for logis. Some WP dialback is warranted. I would prefer it is done so by simply lowering some of the WP values rather than a timed turnoff like was implemented for WP coming from rep tools. Bottom line: Logis take a great deal of skill to play well, and they increase the effectiveness of their teammates, and they deserve to have this behavior rewarded with WP. However, they are getting too many WP, so the numbers simply need to be dialed back a bit, IMO. They've been slowly doing that. Look what they just did to needles, which was a needed change as there was no reason to run the better needles except in PC (which it's still looked down upon by some teammates, even when I save their 230K isk suit... f##kers) Because needles are counterproductive in PC, where the objective is to win. Needling someone is wasting time that could be used to be shooting someone or hacking something or killing uplinks or laying uplinks. Whoever you just needled would have come back 3 seconds later regardless, with fullhealth/ammo, at a location of their choosing that might desperately need help. Its a double waste that is counter productive to the goal of PC: to win the match. In pubs the real goal is to have fun and to go ISK positive, so the needle is cool here. I dont like it at all but thats just the way it is in PC. That's what I'm always told too about PC, until I hear "Anyone got a needle?" over comms, then they're suddenly grateful for the fact that I went against the grain. All of your points are valid, however, but if they don't want/need to be picked they can now just not ask to be revived and respawn at a place of their choosing.
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 645	Posted - 2014.12.31 14:11:00 - [130] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Mejt0 wrote: 80% of logi job now is to hold R1 and sometimes pick up that fat ass in front of you. Lets be honest, thats how it looks. At the same time, i'm not saying that slaying is that much harder. But it requires more thinking. Ps. Logi job isn't the hardest one. For eg. Scout that needs to break through enemy lines and sabotage them needs to work harder than logi. Also logi requires just as much sp investment as scout does. TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Did this guy just say scout was the hardest class? Excuse me for a sec... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Ok im better. For a sec I thought this guy said that easy-mode scouts with their built in wallhacks and near undetectable status was hard-mode.. Wait, what? He did say that? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Im now officially done with this thread. Argueing with clueless people is just a waste of my time... Ok if it's easy mode, pick up scout [In PC or in qsynced FW] , get behind enemy lines then destroy Every pice of eqiupment you'll find without being shoot even once. Nor even spooted. Then jump in between sentiniels and kill their logi and flux him. Escape from this situation and then compare all this to holding R1 behind 1500hp fat ass Ps. All this in baerly 300ehp minja. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves

Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 645	Posted - 2014.12.31 14:24:00 - [131] - Quote About fittings cots. One guy earlier said that adv assault costs 40k around. My adv amarr assault costs me almost 100k. Logi is more expensive at proto. Even then assaults costs around 170-200k. Ps. Don't forget that other suits also have eq slots. Not only logi carry injectors/links etc. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 243	Posted - 2014.12.31 15:10:00 - [132] - Quote Clone D wrote: abdullah muzaffar wrote: ...Do you even know how expensive logisuits are? Even my adv suit costs 95k, and thats cause i sacrifice hp, speed, and offense just to support my team. It is always the logi that gets shot down first, and the one to receive the least help. Build a cheaper suit. I can easily rank #1 with an 8460 ISK Triage fitting: 'Valor' Logistics M-1 'Dren' Assault Rifle nanohive KIN-012 Nanite Injector BDR-2 Repair Tool Militia Shield Extender Blueprint (x2) Militia Armor Plates Blueprint (x2) It will cost a little bit more without the BPO, but it is highly effective and cheap. I'm sure you could measure the diminishing returns of a proto suit over std/adv gear by performing a benefit/cost analysis. If that is your suit, just stay in your merc quarters cause you aren't helping anyone. Proto hives, links, and rep tool or bust, on the suit you can skimp, but not the gear. Ebola makes me feel all warm and squishy inside.
Jay Westen Sky-FIRE 143	Posted - 2014.12.31 15:28:00 - [133] - Quote Alright, I'll agree with the OP and the guy who said logi's are simpletons role... Only if you play them the way you describe. Yes, you can walk behind a heavy leashed and farm warpoints. But you're honestly just a no-talent farmer. Assault, you could just run in fire your weapon and hope for the best and pray you kill stuff. Scouts, please. cloak, decloak shotgun, recloak run. rinse and repeat. As a dedicated logi myself, I rarely stick to a heavy, heals and nano's for all is my philosophy. If you're down on armor I'll rep you. I'll run you down and find you and rep you. I'm the guy who runs across open field in the middle of a firefight and throws down a rep hive and revives you. I'll run in and hack the objective while everyone is fighting around me. I don't think you realize when a hack goes off while you're fighting, the other team loses their spawn. Every situation is different and requires prioritization. Oh and all this goes to everyone but the people saying logi's are simpletons. Ya'll just made the list. Best of luck to you without reps.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 714	Posted - 2014.12.31 15:32:00 - [134] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: the idea that a logi requires less thought is hilarious. A good logi just obeys the rotation. a GREAT logi makes an entire squad (not a pet fatty) almost invulnerable. I agree. I have pulled out my logi suite half way through an ambush where we were being pushed back and was able to reienfore our line with reps, hives, and my needle which total turned the game around. A competent squad holding a line with a logi reinforcing them are damn near invaluable Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 45	Posted - 2014.12.31 15:38:00 - [135] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: 80% of logi job now is to hold R1 and sometimes pick up that fat ass in front of you. Lets be honest, thats how it looks. At the same time, i'm not saying that slaying is that much harder. But it requires more thinking. Ps. Logi job isn't the hardest one. For eg. Scout that needs to break through enemy lines and sabotage them needs to work harder than logi. Also logi requires just as much sp investment as scout does. But we have to keep up with the heavies, avoid getting shot (as everybody shoots the logi first), know when & where to drop equipment, know when & where to pick people up. And Logi requires a hell of a lot more SP investment than scout. :) Nanocircuitry, tool, needle, suit, armor modules, and electronics & engineering. Might have missed a few things though. "Nothing + Nothing = Nothing. Now eat your bribery...err...I mean your breakfast, son." - Fred G. Sanford
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 46	Posted - 2014.12.31 15:53:00 - [136] - Quote Orion Sanjeet wrote: Clone D wrote: abdullah muzaffar wrote: ...Do you even know how expensive logisuits are? Even my adv suit costs 95k, and thats cause i sacrifice hp, speed, and offense just to support my team. It is always the logi that gets shot down first, and the one to receive the least help. Build a cheaper suit. I can easily rank #1 with an 8460 ISK Triage fitting: 'Valor' Logistics M-1 'Dren' Assault Rifle nanohive KIN-012 Nanite Injector BDR-2 Repair Tool Militia Shield Extender Blueprint (x2) Militia Armor Plates Blueprint (x2) It will cost a little bit more without the BPO, but it is highly effective and cheap. I'm sure you could measure the diminishing returns of a proto suit over std/adv gear by performing a benefit/cost analysis. If that is your suit, just stay in your merc quarters cause you aren't helping anyone. Proto hives, links, and rep tool or bust, on the suit you can skimp, but not the gear. Yep. Totally agree. You're not doing jack sht with that BDR-2, and standard hives. Proto suit for maximum equipment slots (but that equals more logi WPs, so ignore if you want). Six Kin tool for 2 streams (i.e. more WP, but since you're against logis getting so many WPs, you may wanna ignore that), basic needle (more to rep when you pick up the fallen comrade (More WPs, but again ignore because of what you believe), and you should carry Wyrikomi-thingy rep hives and Ishukone ammo hives (again, maximizing logi WPs, but ignore since you hate us). So if you implement all those changes, you're set to become the greatest goddmn logi in New Eden. Unfortunately, because of your utter hate and douche baggery, you wont use these tips to be a better logi. :/ Your loss. "Nothing + Nothing = Nothing. Now eat your bribery...err...I mean your breakfast, son." - Fred G. Sanford
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1252	Posted - 2014.12.31 16:06:00 - [137] - Quote Aiwha Bait wrote: Orion Sanjeet wrote: Clone D wrote: abdullah muzaffar wrote: ...Do you even know how expensive logisuits are? Even my adv suit costs 95k, and thats cause i sacrifice hp, speed, and offense just to support my team. It is always the logi that gets shot down first, and the one to receive the least help. Build a cheaper suit. I can easily rank #1 with an 8460 ISK Triage fitting: 'Valor' Logistics M-1 'Dren' Assault Rifle nanohive KIN-012 Nanite Injector BDR-2 Repair Tool Militia Shield Extender Blueprint (x2) Militia Armor Plates Blueprint (x2) It will cost a little bit more without the BPO, but it is highly effective and cheap. I'm sure you could measure the diminishing returns of a proto suit over std/adv gear by performing a benefit/cost analysis. If that is your suit, just stay in your merc quarters cause you aren't helping anyone. Proto hives, links, and rep tool or bust, on the suit you can skimp, but not the gear. Yep. Totally agree. You're not doing jack sht with that BDR-2, and standard hives. Proto suit for maximum equipment slots (but that equals more logi WPs, so ignore if you want). Six Kin tool for 2 streams (i.e. more WP, but since you're against logis getting so many WPs, you may wanna ignore that), basic needle (more to rep when you pick up the fallen comrade (More WPs, but again ignore because of what you believe), and you should carry Wyrikomi-thingy rep hives and Ishukone ammo hives (again, maximizing logi WPs, but ignore since you hate us). So if you implement all those changes, you're set to become the greatest goddmn logi in New Eden. Unfortunately, because of your utter hate and douche baggery, you wont use these tips to be a better logi. :/ Your loss. This thread is about the minimal effort it takes to earn WP as a logi. It is not about the ideal logi build, and the standard to which you hold yourself and others. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 714	Posted - 2014.12.31 16:13:00 - [138] - Quote Slayers should get 25 WP per cycle of damage on a red and 35 for kill assist and 70 for kills 100WP for head shots, 25WP for terminating down clones. Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1842	Posted - 2014.12.31 16:17:00 - [139] - Quote Clone D wrote: Aiwha Bait wrote: Orion Sanjeet wrote: Clone D wrote: abdullah muzaffar wrote: ...Do you even know how expensive logisuits are? Even my adv suit costs 95k, and thats cause i sacrifice hp, speed, and offense just to support my team. It is always the logi that gets shot down first, and the one to receive the least help. Build a cheaper suit. I can easily rank #1 with an 8460 ISK Triage fitting: 'Valor' Logistics M-1 'Dren' Assault Rifle nanohive KIN-012 Nanite Injector BDR-2 Repair Tool Militia Shield Extender Blueprint (x2) Militia Armor Plates Blueprint (x2) It will cost a little bit more without the BPO, but it is highly effective and cheap. I'm sure you could measure the diminishing returns of a proto suit over std/adv gear by performing a benefit/cost analysis. If that is your suit, just stay in your merc quarters cause you aren't helping anyone. Proto hives, links, and rep tool or bust, on the suit you can skimp, but not the gear. Yep. Totally agree. You're not doing jack sht with that BDR-2, and standard hives. Proto suit for maximum equipment slots (but that equals more logi WPs, so ignore if you want). Six Kin tool for 2 streams (i.e. more WP, but since you're against logis getting so many WPs, you may wanna ignore that), basic needle (more to rep when you pick up the fallen comrade (More WPs, but again ignore because of what you believe), and you should carry Wyrikomi-thingy rep hives and Ishukone ammo hives (again, maximizing logi WPs, but ignore since you hate us). So if you implement all those changes, you're set to become the greatest goddmn logi in New Eden. Unfortunately, because of your utter hate and douche baggery, you wont use these tips to be a better logi. :/ Your loss. This thread is about the minimal effort it takes to earn WP as a logi. It is not about the ideal logi build, and the standard to which you hold yourself and others. As opposed to the minimal effort to point your aim assisted damage modded proto weapon at a standard suit and melt it in a sec. All Hail Legion
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1252	Posted - 2014.12.31 16:19:00 - [140] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Clone D wrote: This thread is about the minimal effort it takes to earn WP as a logi. It is not about the ideal logi build, and the standard to which you hold yourself and others. As opposed to the minimal effort to point your aim assisted damage modded proto weapon at a standard suit and melt it in a sec. The evidence lies in the match results, bro. ISK Trader channel: blitz

Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 666	Posted - 2014.12.31 16:35:00 - [141] - Quote There are many minimal things players can do to earn WP, it doesn't mean they (you) are doing them well. Any idiot can use a rep tool, any idiot can use an HMG , any idiot can cloak, any idiot can shoot a rifle, it doesnt make all of thee idiots any good at being logis, heavies, scouts or assaults. Getting first place once upon a time means nothing. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 243	Posted - 2014.12.31 16:37:00 - [142] - Quote You know what, how about we change the leaderboard so that most kills is on top, let logis keep their wp and payout. Either way clone d, you still won't tip the leaderboard. Ebola makes me feel all warm and squishy inside.
VikingKong iBUN T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 333	Posted - 2014.12.31 16:51:00 - [143] - Quote Add extra WP for multi-kills, revenge, ending enemy kill streaks - stuff like that. Give more WP to slayers. No need to touch Logis.
Vaibhav Ganesh Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 33	Posted - 2014.12.31 16:57:00 - [144] - Quote Clone D wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: You may not appreciate my spawns, ammo, reps and rez's but plenty of others do so I'll continue to to serve them up so my team has a better chance of winning. I appreciate it. I even perform the role myself when needed. My question remains the same. Why are logis paid so many warpoints? The general consensus is that nobody wants to do the job so it requires more incentive. You get 90 warpoints for 1 revive with a PRO needle right? And, If you get a kill even with a militia weapon it is always 50. It is never 20 for militia,30 for basic, 40 for adv and 50 for PRO. Why? LFC
Vaibhav Ganesh Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 33	Posted - 2014.12.31 16:58:00 - [145] - Quote Orion Sanjeet wrote: You know what, how about we change the leaderboard so that most kills is on top, let logis keep their wp and payout. Either way clone d, you still won't tip the leaderboard. Lol, So true. LFC
Vaibhav Ganesh Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 35	Posted - 2014.12.31 16:59:00 - [146] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: 80% of logi job now is to hold R1 and sometimes pick up that fat ass in front of you. Lets be honest, thats how it looks. At the same time, i'm not saying that slaying is that much harder. But it requires more thinking. Ps. Logi job isn't the hardest one. For eg. Scout that needs to break through enemy lines and sabotage them needs to work harder than logi. Also logi requires just as much sp investment as scout does. Nah sis, u r wrong. I made a perfect fit with 6 million sp fr scouts while fr a logi even 10 mill aint enough LFC
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1253	Posted - 2014.12.31 17:00:00 - [147] - Quote Vaibhav Ganesh wrote: Clone D wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: You may not appreciate my spawns, ammo, reps and rez's but plenty of others do so I'll continue to to serve them up so my team has a better chance of winning. I appreciate it. I even perform the role myself when needed. My question remains the same. Why are logis paid so many warpoints? The general consensus is that nobody wants to do the job so it requires more incentive. You get 90 warpoints for 1 revive with a PRO needle right? And, If you get a kill even with a militia weapon it is always 50. It is never 20 for militia,30 for basic, 40 for adv and 50 for PRO. Why? Agreed. Kill payouts are atrocious. If you kill a 250 hp scout, you get the same payout as if you kill a 1500 hp sentinel. If you kill with a MLT, you get the same payout as if you kill with a Six Kin. The rewards do not reflect the effort that goes into the kill. The community has generally agreed that a kill is a kill is a kill = +50. I disagree, but whatever. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Vaibhav Ganesh Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 35	Posted - 2014.12.31 17:02:00 - [148] - Quote Clone D wrote: Vaibhav Ganesh wrote: Clone D wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: You may not appreciate my spawns, ammo, reps and rez's but plenty of others do so I'll continue to to serve them up so my team has a better chance of winning. I appreciate it. I even perform the role myself when needed. My question remains the same. Why are logis paid so many warpoints? The general consensus is that nobody wants to do the job so it requires more incentive. You get 90 warpoints for 1 revive with a PRO needle right? And, If you get a kill even with a militia weapon it is always 50. It is never 20 for militia,30 for basic, 40 for adv and 50 for PRO. Why? Agreed. Kill payouts are atrocious. If you kill a 250 hp scout, you get the same payout as if you kill a 1500 hp sentinel. If you kill with a MLT, you get the same payout as if you kill with a Six Kin. The rewards do not reflect the effort that goes into the kill. The community has generally agreed that a kill is a kill is a kill = +50. I disagree, but whatever. You are right,but see my point. If we use a mlt nano injector we get 30 points, while you get 50. why? LFC
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1253	Posted - 2014.12.31 17:07:00 - [149] - Quote Vaibhav Ganesh wrote: Clone D wrote: Vaibhav Ganesh wrote: Clone D wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: You may not appreciate my spawns, ammo, reps and rez's but plenty of others do so I'll continue to to serve them up so my team has a better chance of winning. I appreciate it. I even perform the role myself when needed. My question remains the same. Why are logis paid so many warpoints? The general consensus is that nobody wants to do the job so it requires more incentive. You get 90 warpoints for 1 revive with a PRO needle right? And, If you get a kill even with a militia weapon it is always 50. It is never 20 for militia,30 for basic, 40 for adv and 50 for PRO. Why? Agreed. Kill payouts are atrocious. If you kill a 250 hp scout, you get the same payout as if you kill a 1500 hp sentinel. If you kill with a MLT, you get the same payout as if you kill with a Six Kin. The rewards do not reflect the effort that goes into the kill. The community has generally agreed that a kill is a kill is a kill = +50. I disagree, but whatever. You are right,but see my point. If we use a mlt nano injector we get 30 points, while you get 50. why? It would be the equivalent of my getting 30 points as an assault if I did 30% damage to the enemy. Shooters don't get that. Nanite injectors give a % of health back. You don't get points specifically for doing a % of damage. It's all or nothing with damage (except for assists). ISK Trader channel: blitz
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5607	Posted - 2014.12.31 17:07:00 - [150] - Quote In pathetic matches it's pretty common for a Logi to be the only ones putting up big WP, but in throw-down fights it's common for the other people in the squad to put up WPs as well. Getting kills around objectives, nanohives and uplinks, injectors, etc are not only utilized by logis. It's just not that common to have throw-downs in pubs. I think it's more related to crappy payouts keeping people from going for the win. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.



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