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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2014.12.30 16:27:00 -
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you really hate logis i see.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2014.12.30 17:00:00 -
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firstly logistics players rarely get near 4k wp and fewer still surpass that and in most of those cases their friends who are not logistics get something similar. it is no where near as onesided as top logi at 7k wp while the nearest shooter is at 2k wp
logis require people to use their gear in order to generate wp. its supply and demand. no demand and no wp. high demand and its great wp but no demand and you get nothing.
a shooters wp is not more important than a logis. even if you do want the wp to be the same who's wp are more important... the logi who gets the entire team back into battle with hives and uplinks and repairs and needle or the guy soloing doing his own thing who doesn't care about winning and is just looking to bump his stats and get rewarded more for it.
at the end of the day if i revive 20 players and repair 10000 armor and serve up loads of hives and help 50-100 clones spawn into a single battle. do i not deserve those wp against your killing 30 people in militia suits more than likely which half will get back up. in that scenario i have done far more to keep players in battle than you have done taking players out of it.
this whole thing is stupid. if its not players wanting more isk to offset themselves throwing away isk in battles its them wanting more of something else.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2014.12.30 21:54:00 -
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shooter get too much wp for that they do.
they should get 5wp for killing mlt with their proto weapon
and 50 for killing a proto with their mlt weapon
using proto against mlt is just too easy wp farming
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2014.12.30 22:31:00 -
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Aiwha Bait wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:shooter get too much wp for that they do.
they should get 5wp for killing mlt with their proto weapon
and 50 for killing a proto with their mlt weapon
using proto against mlt is just too easy wp farming There's no way to adjust that for each weapon. There has to be a universal point for killing a person, and that is 50. You need to conform to the battlefield, players, & situations.
precisely the point. there are universal points for all equipment. how can you limit the wp of logistics when every logi fits different quantities of different equipment at different levels which supply wp at different rates. 1 match i could be hitting 2.5k but so are all the shooters. but thats not the issue. the issue is often logistics will be left behind because your team is good and are not dieing, not taking damage,not using your uplinks meaning no or little wp.
there is no such thing as equal or balanced rewards for effort in dust because everyone plays it differently. and you cannot predict in any way how and when a logistics will earn his wp. so if this idea went ahead what we will get is logistics getting widely varying levels of wp due to the complexity of what we do while shooters will be rewarded more which will vary very little as the variables for earning wp for shooters are much more simple.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2014.12.30 23:32:00 -
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Clone D wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Clone, this statement and many others are entirely incorrect.
If its so simpleton like, why are logis constantly targeted with extreme prejudice? (including me) It is merely a provocative opinion. I am friends with several logis and I don't have a problem with logis. When I compare what I have to do to make massive points as a logi to what I have to do to make the most points I can as a shooter, then the amount of work and skills required just don't add up to the 7k logi payouts. I thought I would bring it up to you guys and see what you had to say about the matter. Ultimately, I want to see foot soldiers have the ability to earn as many warpoints as logis using standard soldiering practices.
where the hell are you getting this rubbish about 7k wp being easily obtainable by logistics.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2014.12.31 00:23:00 -
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Clone D wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Clone D wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Clone, this statement and many others are entirely incorrect.
If its so simpleton like, why are logis constantly targeted with extreme prejudice? (including me) It is merely a provocative opinion. I am friends with several logis and I don't have a problem with logis. When I compare what I have to do to make massive points as a logi to what I have to do to make the most points I can as a shooter, then the amount of work and skills required just don't add up to the 7k logi payouts. I thought I would bring it up to you guys and see what you had to say about the matter. Ultimately, I want to see foot soldiers have the ability to earn as many warpoints as logis using standard soldiering practices. where the hell are you getting this rubbish about 7k wp being easily obtainable by logistics. Experience and friends' experience. Also, there was a comment in this thread mentioning 7.5k to 8k WP payouts. Try it some time. A shooter would have to drop 140 clones to do that. A logi just has to hold R1 for the majority of the match.
my experience is being a logi for nearly 2 years now and i have never seen anyone on either side earn more than 4kwp and when that happened the shooters were only a few hundred points behind them. not saying it has never happened. i have seen 1 youtube video in that entire time for 7.5k and that was a year ago. i would say that is pretty damn far from a common occurrence.
also i searched this thread and no comments that i could see from anyone but you about seeing 7k wp payouts
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2014.12.31 01:58:00 -
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Clone D wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:[..] i searched this thread and no comments that i could see from anyone but you about seeing 7k wp payouts
Here: Michael Epic wrote:[...]So lets say I rock 35 kills, 12 deaths and enough WP to put me in the 7500-8000 range, do I not deserve that? I busted my ass and worked for it....I stabbed, repped, boomed, fluxed and ratta tat tat'd you to death holmes #forthewin  Michael Epic is awesome!
first 3 words..."so lets say". that whole quote doesn't say he has done it but says if he did he deserves all his wp which he would have in that situation. 1 hypothetical quote from a single player out of thousands doesn't make your case
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2014.12.31 16:17:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Aiwha Bait wrote:Orion Sanjeet wrote:Clone D wrote:abdullah muzaffar wrote:...Do you even know how expensive logisuits are? Even my adv suit costs 95k, and thats cause i sacrifice hp, speed, and offense just to support my team. It is always the logi that gets shot down first, and the one to receive the least help. Build a cheaper suit. I can easily rank #1 with an 8460 ISK Triage fitting: 'Valor' Logistics M-1 'Dren' Assault Rifle nanohive KIN-012 Nanite Injector BDR-2 Repair Tool Militia Shield Extender Blueprint (x2) Militia Armor Plates Blueprint (x2) It will cost a little bit more without the BPO, but it is highly effective and cheap. I'm sure you could measure the diminishing returns of a proto suit over std/adv gear by performing a benefit/cost analysis. If that is your suit, just stay in your merc quarters cause you aren't helping anyone. Proto hives, links, and rep tool or bust, on the suit you can skimp, but not the gear. Yep. Totally agree. You're not doing jack sh*t with that BDR-2, and standard hives. Proto suit for maximum equipment slots (but that equals more logi WPs, so ignore if you want). Six Kin tool for 2 streams (i.e. more WP, but since you're against logis getting so many WPs, you may wanna ignore that), basic needle (more to rep when you pick up the fallen comrade (More WPs, but again ignore because of what you believe), and you should carry Wyrikomi-thingy rep hives and Ishukone ammo hives (again, maximizing logi WPs, but ignore since you hate us). So if you implement all those changes, you're set to become the greatest godd*mn logi in New Eden. Unfortunately, because of your utter hate and douche baggery, you wont use these tips to be a better logi. :/ Your loss. This thread is about the minimal effort it takes to earn WP as a logi. It is not about the ideal logi build, and the standard to which you hold yourself and others.
As opposed to the minimal effort to point your aim assisted damage modded proto weapon at a standard suit and melt it in a sec.
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