I know someone who won't be getting repped or resupplied anytime soon.

Shoot, +50 WP, reload, Shoot again, +50 WP, reload.

Logis are a force-multiplier. One logi increases the effectiveness of a squad significantly. Their EWAR range/precision is useful, they hack faster than other suits innately, they can fit more equipment and have more bandwidth. One smart logi makes a 6 man squad seem like an 8 man squad.

Also, you are using proto equipment to earn that 90 WP.

...Do you even know how expensive logisuits are? Even my adv suit costs 95k, and thats cause i sacrifice hp, speed, and offense just to support my team. It is always the logi that gets shot down first, and the one to receive the least help.

After reading this I can only assume that you have never run a logi suit.
You would not be saying hafe the stuff your saying if you were. Not only are
logi suits expensive / easy to kill / one of the most Sp intensive classes,
they are also the most vulnerable suit in the game and is the only suit in the
game where you are locked into that role if you really want to support your team
with things like uplink / nan hives. The risk that most logi take to support a team
isk wise is not worth it. You should be happy that people for whatever reason
are still running logi suit with all the negative that come with running the suit.

If you are going to post a fitting, post one without BPOs. Assume we are not willing to spend AUR. Also, make it in protofits so we know it would have the required CPU/PG.

Also, two armor plates? You'll have eHP and move like a turtle on Valium. Logis are already slow to begin with. This fitting would get annihilated while attempting to rep anyone.

Alright so this is what i'm getting from this then. You just don't like it when your not at the
top of a list because someone out scored you and is now crying about it on the forums.
Op I have to ask what logi suit are you skilled into and what do you run on your suit.
Please don't point me to that crap of a suit that you just posted no real logi is getting many
points from that unless there already standing behind a heavy standing in a rep hive. FYI
if this is all your doing as a logi your not really supporting you team. I'm starting to think you
a dirty troll.

You may not appreciate my spawns, ammo, reps and rez's but plenty of others do so I'll continue to to serve them up so my team has a better chance of winning.

Once again Clone D's ability to present anecdote and opinion as undeniable fact is nothing short of amazing.

Well trolled sir. Well trolled.

Looks at stuff op is skilled into "eye twitch "
Op I think you don't like being locked into your
role and is now trying to fish out ways to make
other already powerful classes more powerful.
If you could still drop all of your up-links and
switch to an assault suit would this thread
even be relative?

if logi should not be getting the
most war point then what should they be getting in
exchange for their work?

that's because you aren't applying critical thinking to the question and only going with "Welp, I find this valueless..."

Two thing
First most logi's do not regularly make 7k war points a match the (real number is something like 1k-1.8k a match)
so please stop throwing out bull-**** numbers like that .

Secondly if they do what you suggest then ccp should also raise the price of all suits
to match what logi's run. I believe in equal opportunity to so your suit should cost the
same as my's if not more your killers after all. Got to make everything equal.

And how do you think making your suit the same price as my's is a separate topic.
This goes hand and hand with the isk factor in this game which is tied to guess what
how many war points you get in a game.

Next you'll say you don't want pilots getting WP for anything at all.

killers get kills to show for their work. logis get wp. What's the problem here?

This is not an answer to my question and you know it.

Then it turns out your not even really skilled into being a logi.

"The Tuxedo"

rekt

rekt

Clone, this statement and many others are entirely incorrect.

If its so simpleton like, why are logis constantly targeted with extreme prejudice? (including me)

where the hell are you getting this rubbish about 7k wp being easily obtainable by logistics.

[..] i searched this thread and no comments that i could see from anyone but you about seeing 7k wp payouts

[...]So lets say I rock 35 kills, 12 deaths and enough WP to put me in the 7500-8000 range, do I not deserve that? I busted my ass and worked for it....I stabbed, repped, boomed, fluxed and ratta tat tat'd you to death holmes #forthewin

first 3 words..."so lets say". that whole quote doesn't say he has done it but says if he did he deserves all his wp which he would have in that situation. 1 hypothetical quote from a single player out of thousands doesn't make your case

Im a pretty decent logi and I have broke 7k like twice.. the BEST any logi in the community has done is 8k and some change, and that happens rarely.

I think we need some slight gameplay changes to remind me...

Yep. Totally agree. You're not doing jack sh*t with that BDR-2, and standard hives. Proto suit for maximum equipment slots (but that equals more logi WPs, so ignore if you want). Six Kin tool for 2 streams (i.e. more WP, but since you're against logis getting so many WPs, you may wanna ignore that), basic needle (more to rep when you pick up the fallen comrade (More WPs, but again ignore because of what you believe), and you should carry Wyrikomi-thingy rep hives and Ishukone ammo hives (again, maximizing logi WPs, but ignore since you hate us). So if you implement all those changes, you're set to become the greatest godd*mn logi in New Eden. Unfortunately, because of your utter hate and douche baggery, you wont use these tips to be a better logi. :/ Your loss.

As opposed to the minimal effort to point your aim assisted damage modded proto weapon at a standard suit and melt it in a sec.

You get 90 warpoints for 1 revive with a PRO needle right? And, If you get a kill even with a militia weapon it is always 50. It is never 20 for militia,30 for basic, 40 for adv and 50 for PRO. Why?

You are right,but see my point. If we use a mlt nano injector we get 30 points, while you get 50. why?

As I stated in an earlier post in this thread, it is unfortunate that the factor "Warpoints" serves double duty. It would make for a much cleaner discussion if "team assist points" were tallied alongside K/D and a formula to combine the two provided ranking on the board.

By basing your argument on Warpoints alone, you are ignoring the prestige/reputational/respect value of a good KDR. Those who provide team support sacrifice this opportunity for respect by:

Making themselves an easy target in several ways
Using tools and equipment instead of killing weapons

In doing so, they sacrifice their own KDR, while at the same time IMPROVING everyone else's KDR. And this is done ANONYMOUSLY without the equivalent of "who killed who" messages.

In a game most still consider to be a "shooter", anything, no matter how small, that improves a player's KDR is precious. At present, Warpoints are the only way to allow someone who dedicates themselves to the support role to gain any recognition for it. If I go 0/4 and get 400 warpoints, I am a scrub and no one knows how I got those points. If I go 4/0 and get 400 warpoints, I am efficient, have a marketable KDR, and 31 other players have seen my name during battle.

This isn't the only reason why this thread is off target, but it is one thing that just keeps getting overlooked in comments. Warpoints is an insufficient measure and therefore it is unhelpful to base the debate on how "easy" they are to obtain for someone who predominantly uses one style of play over another.

I would concur with this statement, minus judgmental terms and adding back in my point from above:


I don't think this is an ideal balance of forces, but there is a push/pull in effect which you should not ignore.

I don't need reputation, I need the isk that comes from high WPs. Because do you know who doesn't get revived? The logi.

[quote=Clone D]How to make up for the other two equipment the killer activley refuses to carry huh?