Build a cheaper suit.

I can easily rank #1 with an 8460 ISK Triage fitting:

'Valor' Logistics M-1
'Dren' Assault Rifle
nanohive
KIN-012 Nanite Injector
BDR-2 Repair Tool
Militia Shield Extender Blueprint (x2)
Militia Armor Plates Blueprint (x2)

It will cost a little bit more without the BPO, but it is highly effective and cheap. I'm sure you could measure the diminishing returns of a proto suit over std/adv gear by performing a benefit/cost analysis.

As I stated in an earlier post in this thread, it is unfortunate that the factor "Warpoints" serves double duty. It would make for a much cleaner discussion if "team assist points" were tallied alongside K/D and a formula to combine the two provided ranking on the board.

By basing your argument on Warpoints alone, you are ignoring the prestige/reputational/respect value of a good KDR. Those who provide team support sacrifice this opportunity for respect by:

Making themselves an easy target in several ways
Using tools and equipment instead of killing weapons

In doing so, they sacrifice their own KDR, while at the same time IMPROVING everyone else's KDR. And this is done ANONYMOUSLY without the equivalent of "who killed who" messages.

In a game most still consider to be a "shooter", anything, no matter how small, that improves a player's KDR is precious. At present, Warpoints are the only way to allow someone who dedicates themselves to the support role to gain any recognition for it. If I go 0/4 and get 400 warpoints, I am a scrub and no one knows how I got those points. If I go 4/0 and get 400 warpoints, I am efficient, have a marketable KDR, and 31 other players have seen my name during battle.

This isn't the only reason why this thread is off target, but it is one thing that just keeps getting overlooked in comments. Warpoints is an insufficient measure and therefore it is unhelpful to base the debate on how "easy" they are to obtain for someone who predominantly uses one style of play over another.

WPs are not only a social reference. They directly affect skill points. Excessive WP given to one role over another allows faster character development for the favored role.

WPs are not only a social reference. They directly affect skill points. WP given to one role over another allows faster character development for that role. However, lack of a mechanism for recognizing team support effort discourages players from utilizing that same role.

This thread is exactly on target, and I have specifically said exactly what I intended to with the exact effect that I wanted.

WPs are not only a social reference. They directly affect skill points. Excessive WP given to one role over another allows faster character development for the favored role.

My PRO logi costed me about 200,000 isk per battle. With my alt, which is an PRO assault, the fit costs abt 130,000. Wat abt that?

I would concur with this statement, minus judgmental terms and adding back in my point from above:


I don't think this is an ideal balance of forces, but there is a push/pull in effect which you should not ignore.

Nah sis, u r wrong. I made a perfect fit with 6 million sp fr scouts while fr a logi even 10 mill aint enough

I don't need reputation, I need the isk that comes from high WPs. Because do you know who doesn't get revived? The logi.

Amount of SP needed to fulfil scout role [in this case Minja],
[i'll add everything].. and here's the number : 17,716,202 sp.

That's without counting prof skill, armor plate/reps upgrades, other eq, some other skills to fully fulfil that role [like swarms for AV].



Ps. Skills that i counted to achive this amount of sp : Dropsuit Command > Minmatar Light > Minmatar Scout
Dropsuit Upgrades > Armor/Shields Upgrades > Shields Extenders > Biotics > KinCat > Core Upgrades > Cloak > Uplinks > Electronics [all components] > Engineering > Hacking > Weaponry > Explosives > Grenadier [lvl 1] > Light/Sidearm operation > CR > NK >

Just as I couldn't care less about K/D or W/L.

I was suggesting a reputation counter in addition to WP, not as a substitution for WP. This may suit the need of those who play a role for a sense of identity within the community.

WP needs to be equally accessible to all roles when performing the key function of that role, so that one role is not favored above another in terms of character development.

[quote=Clone D]How to make up for the other two equipment the killer activley refuses to carry huh?

I was over 20m SP before I completed all my cores, plus weapon/modules and equipment for my logi. Logi suits have more slots than any other class. My PC fit logi costs about 220k, my PC scout? about 180k. So 40k difference per death. I die WAY more in my logi. Like I said, scouts are easy mode. Cloak, flank, and destroy. If you can't win with a scout you need to find another game...

Edit: you are also using the worst scout. Get in a GK.0 and tell me its not easy mode.

My ak.0 assault costs me +200k isks.
Your assault is fitted poorly. Logi as well.

Ps. Guns [and grenade] + eq = +130k isks
Suit + modules = another +100k isks.