DUST Search - FPS? Reward Warriors More WP, And Logis Less WP

Clone D wrote:

Twelve Guage wrote:

Clone D wrote:

Logi is a simpleton's role, yet it is capable of reaping the most WP and acquiring large payouts.

I have played logi with one hand on the controller while talking on the phone for the entire match and ranked #1 with virtually no effort whatsoever. Those who can't do, logi. How hard is it to drop a couple of hives and latch on to a heavy, occasionally picking him up?

Whereas, when I devote my concentration to tactical attack plans, and adaptive execution of those plans, it requires much more intense concentration, soldiering ability and knowhow and yet it is not rewarded very well with WP payout.

Why is the easy logi role rewarded so much WP (logis can easily top 7000 WP in a battle), while the more intense foot soldier role is rewarded so little (foot soldiers top out in about the 3500 WP range)?

After reading this I can only assume that you have never run a logi suit.
You would not be saying hafe the stuff your saying if you were. Not only are
logi suits expensive / easy to kill / one of the most Sp intensive classes,
they are also the most vulnerable suit in the game and is the only suit in the
game where you are locked into that role if you really want to support your team
with things like uplink / nan hives. The risk that most logi take to support a team
isk wise is not worth it. You should be happy that people for whatever reason
are still running logi suit with all the negative that come with running the suit.

I clearly stated in the OP that I have run logi before.

I probably don't go negative while running a logi because I have actual soldiering skills that allow me to last a bit longer than your average noob. An experienced logi gets mega WP by performing basic procedures.

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Clone D Grundstein Automation 1229	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:15:00 - [1] - Quote Logi is a simpleton's role, yet it is capable of reaping the most WP and acquiring large payouts. I have played logi with one hand on the controller while talking on the phone for the entire match and ranked #1 with virtually no effort whatsoever. Those who can't do, logi. How hard is it to drop a couple of hives and latch on to a heavy, occasionally picking him up? Whereas, when I devote my concentration to tactical attack plans, and adaptive execution of those plans, it requires much more intense concentration, soldiering ability and knowhow and yet it is not rewarded very well with WP payout. Why is the easy logi role rewarded so much WP (logis can easily top 7000 WP in a battle), while the more intense foot soldier role is rewarded so little (foot soldiers top out in about the 3500 WP range)? ISK Trader channel: blitz
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5765	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:17:00 - [2] - Quote Clone D wrote: Logi is a simpleton's role I know someone who won't be getting repped or resupplied anytime soon. My advice to you, playa...
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1229	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:20:00 - [3] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Clone D wrote: Logi is a simpleton's role I know someone who won't be getting repped or resupplied anytime soon. The formula is: Put hives down. Latch on. Pick up. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5767	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:22:00 - [4] - Quote Clone D wrote: The formula is: Put hives down. Latch on. Pick up. It's funny that you attribute this amazing tactical prowess to slayer roles, but attempt to simplify the logi role down to this nonsense. Watch me do the same to slayers. Shoot, +50 WP, reload, Shoot again, +50 WP, reload. I'm not a logi, I slay, but I need my logis. They make me perform my job better and increase my survivability. Logis, do ya real MVP. My advice to you, playa...
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1229	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:27:00 - [5] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Shoot, +50 WP, reload, Shoot again, +50 WP, reload. That is my point kill +50 needle +90 (almost twice as much, why?) Logis get WP, for standing around holding R1. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1870	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:27:00 - [6] - Quote As an Assault. ** no. ** you. Logis deserve every WP they get. Calling logi a simpletons role is really hypocritical, too. They are the most though intensive role in the game. Slayers are the simple roles. Run. Kill. Rinse. Repeat. Logis are those ones that are always making sure everyone is topped off for HP, always asking their squadmates if they have ammo or not, reviving downed blues, and scanning the places that need to be scanned. The role of Caldari suits is to whine on the forums.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5768	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:31:00 - [7] - Quote Clone D wrote: That is my point kill +50 needle +90 (almost twice as much, why?) Because by needling someone you are putting yourself at more risk? Because it saves the entire team a clone that would otherwise be lost. Also, you are using proto equipment to earn that 90 WP. The standard only nets you 30 WP. The proto brings someone back at what, 80% armor? That's a nearly full recovered soldier ready to fight that would otherwise be wasting time respawning and running back to the battlefield. My advice to you, playa...
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1229	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:32:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Logis are a force-multiplier. One logi increases the effectiveness of a squad significantly. Their EWAR range/precision is useful, they hack faster than other suits innately, they can fit more equipment and have more bandwidth. One smart logi makes a 6 man squad seem like an 8 man squad. I agree with this, but that doesn't mean to say that it is difficult or deserving of such high payouts. ISK Trader channel: blitz
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6629	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:34:00 - [9] - Quote Clone D wrote: ------------ IT pays the most WP because its what most people who play a FPS DONT want to do. Help others. So the only way to make it viable is to get big WP for it. Playing as : Calmando, Calscout & Calassault.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1229	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:36:00 - [10] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Also, you are using proto equipment to earn that 90 WP. Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector 7050 ISK Less than the cost of an ADV weapon, yet rewards nearly twice as much WP for a safe procedure. If a logi is taking fire, why would he perform the revive? Do it in a low risk setting so that the revived doesn't immediately get killed again, right? ISK Trader channel: blitz

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5768	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:37:00 - [11] - Quote Clone D wrote: I agree with this, but that doesn't mean to say that it is difficult or deserving of such high payouts. The logi role isn't altogether the most fun role to play. If logis didn't receive a bump in WPs we would have half as many of them running around and I'm not okay with that. Also, I disagree with the statement "isn't difficult". Maybe if you just drop uplinks around, actively avoid the fire fights, and occasionally top off a bluberries armor when you pass one, sure. But logis who are in the thick of the fight have to watch themselves. Their dropsuits are basically made of hamburger wrappers and hope. The fit decent equipment they have to sacrifice some eHP too. My advice to you, playa...
abdullah muzaffar G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 146	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:39:00 - [12] - Quote ...Do you even know how expensive logisuits are? Even my adv suit costs 95k, and thats cause i sacrifice hp, speed, and offense just to support my team. It is always the logi that gets shot down first, and the one to receive the least help.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1229	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:43:00 - [13] - Quote abdullah muzaffar wrote: ...Do you even know how expensive logisuits are? Even my adv suit costs 95k, and thats cause i sacrifice hp, speed, and offense just to support my team. It is always the logi that gets shot down first, and the one to receive the least help. Build a cheaper suit. I can easily rank #1 with an 8460 ISK Triage fitting: 'Valor' Logistics M-1 'Dren' Assault Rifle nanohive KIN-012 Nanite Injector BDR-2 Repair Tool Militia Shield Extender Blueprint (x2) Militia Armor Plates Blueprint (x2) It will cost a little bit more without the BPO, but it is highly effective and cheap. I'm sure you could measure the diminishing returns of a proto suit over std/adv gear by performing a benefit/cost analysis. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Twelve Guage Death Firm. 359	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:44:00 - [14] - Quote Clone D wrote: Logi is a simpleton's role, yet it is capable of reaping the most WP and acquiring large payouts. I have played logi with one hand on the controller while talking on the phone for the entire match and ranked #1 with virtually no effort whatsoever. Those who can't do, logi. How hard is it to drop a couple of hives and latch on to a heavy, occasionally picking him up? Whereas, when I devote my concentration to tactical attack plans, and adaptive execution of those plans, it requires much more intense concentration, soldiering ability and knowhow and yet it is not rewarded very well with WP payout. Why is the easy logi role rewarded so much WP (logis can easily top 7000 WP in a battle), while the more intense foot soldier role is rewarded so little (foot soldiers top out in about the 3500 WP range)? After reading this I can only assume that you have never run a logi suit. You would not be saying hafe the stuff your saying if you were. Not only are logi suits expensive / easy to kill / one of the most Sp intensive classes, they are also the most vulnerable suit in the game and is the only suit in the game where you are locked into that roll if you really want to support your team with things like uplink / nan hives. The risk that most logi take to support a team isk wise is not worth it. You should be happy that people for whatever reason are still running logi suit with all the negative that come with running the suit. Sandwich maker LVL. 5 You've been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$. CCP has castrated my like button
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5769	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:48:00 - [15] - Quote Clone D wrote: Build a cheaper suit. 'Valor' Logistics M-1 'Dren' Assault Rifle Nanohive KIN-012 Nanite Injector BDR-2 Repair Tool Militia Shield Extender Blueprint (x2) Militia Armor Plates Blueprint (x2) It will cost a little bit more without the BPO, but it is highly effective and cheap. I'm sure you could measure the diminishing returns of a proto suit over std/adv gear by performing a benefit/cost analysis. If you are going to post a fitting, post one without BPOs. Assume we are not willing to spend AUR. Also, make it in protofits so we know it would have the required CPU/PG. Also, two armor plates? You'll have eHP and move like a turtle on Valium. Logis are already slow to begin with. This fitting would get annihilated while attempting to rep anyone. My advice to you, playa...
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1229	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:52:00 - [16] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: Clone D wrote: Logi is a simpleton's role, yet it is capable of reaping the most WP and acquiring large payouts. I have played logi with one hand on the controller while talking on the phone for the entire match and ranked #1 with virtually no effort whatsoever. Those who can't do, logi. How hard is it to drop a couple of hives and latch on to a heavy, occasionally picking him up? Whereas, when I devote my concentration to tactical attack plans, and adaptive execution of those plans, it requires much more intense concentration, soldiering ability and knowhow and yet it is not rewarded very well with WP payout. Why is the easy logi role rewarded so much WP (logis can easily top 7000 WP in a battle), while the more intense foot soldier role is rewarded so little (foot soldiers top out in about the 3500 WP range)? After reading this I can only assume that you have never run a logi suit. You would not be saying hafe the stuff your saying if you were. Not only are logi suits expensive / easy to kill / one of the most Sp intensive classes, they are also the most vulnerable suit in the game and is the only suit in the game where you are locked into that role if you really want to support your team with things like uplink / nan hives. The risk that most logi take to support a team isk wise is not worth it. You should be happy that people for whatever reason are still running logi suit with all the negative that come with running the suit. I clearly stated in the OP that I have run logi before. I probably don't go negative while running a logi because I have actual soldiering skills that allow me to last a bit longer than your average noob. An experienced logi gets mega WP by performing basic procedures. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1229	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:53:00 - [17] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Clone D wrote: Build a cheaper suit. 'Valor' Logistics M-1 'Dren' Assault Rifle Nanohive KIN-012 Nanite Injector BDR-2 Repair Tool Militia Shield Extender Blueprint (x2) Militia Armor Plates Blueprint (x2) It will cost a little bit more without the BPO, but it is highly effective and cheap. I'm sure you could measure the diminishing returns of a proto suit over std/adv gear by performing a benefit/cost analysis. If you are going to post a fitting, post one without BPOs. Assume we are not willing to spend AUR. Also, make it in protofits so we know it would have the required CPU/PG. Also, two armor plates? You'll have eHP and move like a turtle on Valium. Logis are already slow to begin with. This fitting would get annihilated while attempting to rep anyone. I have used that fitting to rank #1 on several occasions. Modify it as you see fit, but the point is that you can make an effective logi suit for less than 90k ISK. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1678	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:54:00 - [18] - Quote I played minmatar logi quite long, this was my basic fit Logistics mk.0 Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Basic Ferroscale Plates Basic Ferroscale Plates Basic Ferroscale Plates Complex Armor Repairer Six Kin Submachine Gun or Mag Sec Core Locus Grenade Ishukone Nanohive Viziam Drop Uplink Core Repair Tool Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector it has decent HP, is not the slowest and basically lets the team go on killing. weapon is rarely used because shooting means stopping repair it basically is for self defense in emergencies only. with the repair tool range bonus you can also keep out of harm most of the time. it is a WP printing machine, but extremely boring to play ...
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6630	Posted - 2014.12.30 14:55:00 - [19] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Their dropsuits are basically made of hamburger wrappers and hope.. XD They feel like that too Playing as : Calmando, Calscout & Calassault.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 712	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:00:00 - [20] - Quote logis shouldnt be punished for doing their job. having a good logi is SP intensive cause only the top end equipment is actually worth using. A logi is supposed to keep the war machinery going with revives, reps, ammo, scans and spawns. Be greatfull that some 1 is actually using their brain instead of run and gunning like a headless chicken on roids. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1678	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:01:00 - [21] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: logis shouldnt be punished for doing their job. having a good logi is SP intensive cause only the top end equipment is actually worth using. A logi is supposed to keep the war machinery going with revives, reps, ammo, scans and spawns. Be greatfull that some 1 is actually using their brain instead of run and gunning like a headless chicken on roids. because assault and scouts cannot split equipment among the team, right?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5154	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:02:00 - [22] - Quote http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa355/ohhburn/GIF/tumblr_lcx7psXlYf1qdubemo1_500.gif this thread. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Twelve Guage Death Firm. 359	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:03:00 - [23] - Quote Clone D wrote: Twelve Guage wrote: Clone D wrote: Logi is a simpleton's role, yet it is capable of reaping the most WP and acquiring large payouts. I have played logi with one hand on the controller while talking on the phone for the entire match and ranked #1 with virtually no effort whatsoever. Those who can't do, logi. How hard is it to drop a couple of hives and latch on to a heavy, occasionally picking him up? Whereas, when I devote my concentration to tactical attack plans, and adaptive execution of those plans, it requires much more intense concentration, soldiering ability and knowhow and yet it is not rewarded very well with WP payout. Why is the easy logi role rewarded so much WP (logis can easily top 7000 WP in a battle), while the more intense foot soldier role is rewarded so little (foot soldiers top out in about the 3500 WP range)? After reading this I can only assume that you have never run a logi suit. You would not be saying hafe the stuff your saying if you were. Not only are logi suits expensive / easy to kill / one of the most Sp intensive classes, they are also the most vulnerable suit in the game and is the only suit in the game where you are locked into that role if you really want to support your team with things like uplink / nan hives. The risk that most logi take to support a team isk wise is not worth it. You should be happy that people for whatever reason are still running logi suit with all the negative that come with running the suit. I clearly stated in the OP that I have run logi before. I probably don't go negative while running a logi because I have actual soldiering skills that allow me to last a bit longer than your average noob. An experienced logi gets mega WP by performing basic procedures. Alright so this is what i'm getting from this then. You just don't like it when your not at the top of a list because someone out scored you and is now crying about it on the forums. Op I have to ask what logi suit are you skilled into and what do you run on your suit. Please don't point me to that crap of a suit that you just posted no real logi is getting many points from that unless there already standing behind a heavy standing in a rep hive. FYI if this is all your doing as a logi your not really supporting you team. I'm starting to think you a dirty troll. Sandwich maker LVL. 5 You've been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$. CCP has castrated my like button
axis alpha Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 450	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:05:00 - [24] - Quote Clone D wrote: Logi is a simpleton's role, yet it is capable of reaping the most WP and acquiring large payouts. I have played logi with one hand on the controller while talking on the phone for the entire match and ranked #1 with virtually no effort whatsoever. Those who can't do, logi. How hard is it to drop a couple of hives and latch on to a heavy, occasionally picking him up? Whereas, when I devote my concentration to tactical attack plans, and adaptive execution of those plans, it requires much more intense concentration, soldiering ability and knowhow and yet it is not rewarded very well with WP payout. Why is the easy logi role rewarded so much WP (logis can easily top 7000 WP in a battle), while the more intense foot soldier role is rewarded so little (foot soldiers top out in about the 3500 WP range)? Why its rewarded with so many wp is because its the only way anyone is going to be a logi. But logis are beggining to just be annoying as most of them compare how many wp they have and not kills or even wins.... They think just because they logi the entire game they THINK they helped... When in reality they could have done so much more. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5772	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:07:00 - [25] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: because assault and scouts cannot split equipment among the team, right? Assault and scout equipment will not get the logi dropsuit command bonuses. You can tell when you stand on a Caldari logi V triage nanohive. My advice to you, playa...
Ku Shala The Generals 1091	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:07:00 - [26] - Quote k so how much does your slayer suit cost at basic? .... now your logi..... now compare the wp of those suits vs the cost and also factor that the logi is often the first target in the group and will score 1 on the leaderboard but have a negative kdr. your needle only sores 90 at proto and it is costing that logi repair points also you can fit that 90 point tool on your slayer suit (except heavy) and do more than die for your team Id deploy a dingy so you dont drown in tears but all my equipment slots are full *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Burst RR should fire like a charge sniper
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1229	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:08:00 - [27] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: Alright so this is what i'm getting from this then. You just don't like it when your not at the top of a list because someone out scored you and is now crying about it on the forums. Op I have to ask what logi suit are you skilled into and what do you run on your suit. Please don't point me to that crap of a suit that you just posted no real logi is getting many points from that unless there already standing behind a heavy standing in a rep hive. FYI if this is all your doing as a logi your not really supporting you team. I'm starting to think you a dirty troll. No, I never stated that I am not at the top of the list. I am not hurting in any aspect of the game. I am addressing this topic from a standpoint of having played all of the roles, and wondering how we justify sending naked ladies to deliver WP to logis on a silver platter for doing low intensity support jobs. They are the janitors of Dust. LVL 2 Min Logistics Dropsuit LVL 3 Nanocircuitry LVL 3 Repair Tool Operation LVL 5 Drop Uplink Deployment LVL 3 Active Scanner ISK Trader channel: blitz
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5772	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:10:00 - [28] - Quote axis alpha wrote: But logis are beggining to just be annoying as most of them compare how many wp they have and not kills or even wins.... They think just because they logi the entire game they THINK they helped... When in reality they could have done so much more. Every role on a team has a "saturation point". Take snipers, for example. 1 - 2 per team, maximum. Anymore than that and you are wasting slots for other roles. Logis are the same way. A team with 5+ logis is going to lose; they aren't increasing the effectiveness of the slayers enough because there simply aren't enough slayers. 3 logis is, in my opinion, the sweet spot. Two squads on a team, one logi per squad plus 1 blueberry logi dropping the occasional hive and needling idiot blueberries so the team doesn't get cloned. My advice to you, playa...
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1678	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:13:00 - [29] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 3 logis is, in my opinion, the sweet spot. Two squads on a team, one logi per squad plus 1 blueberry logi dropping the occasional hive and needling idiot blueberries so the team doesn't get cloned. 1 logi per two heavies is the sweetspot assault can go lick themself and use nanos + self repairs
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5772	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:17:00 - [30] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: 1 logi per two heavies is the sweetspot assault can go lick themself and use nanos + self repairs I run armor reppers on my all of my assault dropsuits I just need the occasional hive for more ammo. And yeah 1 logi:2 sentinels is alright if you are into sentinel spam But you do you Jack, you do you. My advice to you, playa...



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