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CCP Rattati
C C P
11192
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Posted - 2014.11.12 07:53:00 -
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Dear Players,
As I have heard a lot of complaints about the fitting, I would like reiterate the following:
We don't want the best of the best min-maxed PC fittings We want Faction Doctrine over utility, while remaining very useful We don't want triple stacking and penalties We don't want ultra ehp stacking We want to expose players to versatility, so as many weapons as possible
We also asked the community, the CPM collected a variety of ideas from Logis/Scouts and we took a lot of ideas from the Faction fitting thread.
Please read it carefully, and again if you skimmed. This is all explained in detail in the blog.
http://dust514.com/news/2014/11/introducing-apex-series-bpo-dropsuits/
The reason we didn't push them all out at once, was testing and also to be able to collect feedback on the way.
Please comment on the fittings found here:
APEX Fittings
With the "name" of the suit (serpent, etc), the gear and the proposed replacement gear.
Thanks!
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
4542
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:02:00 -
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Them Minmuturds took our gold!!!
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1860
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:03:00 -
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Tiger
Get rid of a damp, replace with codebreaker
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
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CCP Rattati
C C P
11192
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:04:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Them Minmuturds took our gold!!!
I realiize that this is GD, but please stay on topic
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1860
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:07:00 -
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Nomad
Switch flaylock for SMG
Remove recharger for light damage mod
Replace both plate and reppers with reactive plates
Switch RE for hive.
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
Moss-delt on skype
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Malleus Malificorum
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
143
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:08:00 -
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Amarr 'Seraph' Logistics. -Remove nanohive. -Replace with repair tool.
You've given a lot of the amarr fits very 'bricked' tanks but then you've failed to give the racial logi any means of fixing them up.
Is it possible to do something along the lines of 'flex' slots, where say maybe 1-2 slots on each suit can be 'replaced' with certain other very specific modules. I know that a lot of logi's like to have equipment in very specific slots so they can swap to them easily off of muscle memory, being able to reorganize equipment would be a major boon.
Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.
I bring the light.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1860
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:09:00 -
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Renegade
Shield for light damage mods MD for CR Hive for proxies
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
Moss-delt on skype
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Ablerober
Pretty Violence
187
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:09:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Dear Players, As I have heard a lot of complaints about the fitting, I would like reiterate the following: We don't want the best of the best min-maxed PC fittings We want Faction Doctrine over utility, while remaining very useful We don't want triple stacking and penalties We don't want ultra ehp stacking We want to expose players to versatility, so as many weapons as possible We also asked the community, the CPM collected a variety of ideas from Logis/Scouts and we took a lot of ideas from the Faction fitting thread. Please read it carefully, and again if you skimmed. This is all explained in detail in the blog. http://dust514.com/news/2014/11/introducing-apex-series-bpo-dropsuits/The reason we didn't push them all out at once, was testing and also to be able to collect feedback on the way. Please comment on the fittings found here: APEX FittingsWith the "name" of the suit (serpent, etc), the gear and the proposed replacement gear. Thanks!
It appears this spreadsheet is out of date.
The Galmando I purchased with Aur comes with a Federation Burst AR not the Breach as described which is slightly misleading - I'm not a fan of the Burst variant at all.
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
196
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:10:00 -
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As you dont wish to stack damage mods on the Opus Amarr Assault suit, there's only a little tweak to do to make it good: remove the useless amp (it's basic so 3m+ are useless anyway) and put a rep instead. Then I'd remove an armor plate for a kin cat for better speed.
There's a difference between the Gallente Spartan Assault in the drive and in protofit. Protofit version is much better (without damp) even if basic ferro are aweful. I would go for the same lows as the Amarr Opus I just said ^^
Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be.
Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
13197
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:14:00 -
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>Opens Spartan >Sees 370 armor >Gallente Assault >Laughs uncontrollably
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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CCP Rattati
C C P
11195
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:17:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:>Opens Spartan >Sees 370 armor >Gallente Assault >Laughs uncontrollably
Even cats need stay on topic, save the sarcasm for twitter pls
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
7194
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:>Opens Spartan >Sees 370 armor >Gallente Assault >Laughs uncontrollably
Seriously. I saw that and instantly became disinterested in that fit. The Amarr Assault apparently has x3 Vanilla Plates and x2 Extenders... -FAR- more competitive than x2 Ferroscales and x1 extender.
Gallente Assault is just a write off that I'll only ever get to say that I have a flashy suit but considering that I'd have to grind out 75 FW matches with 20+ minute waits just trying to get into one, likely will never get it.
Would be a different story if it was x3 reactives, however.
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
7194
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:21:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Cat Merc wrote:>Opens Spartan >Sees 370 armor >Gallente Assault >Laughs uncontrollably Even cats need stay on topic, save the sarcasm for twitter pls
Don't think that was sarcasm. It's a laughable fit. Or were you looking for only positive feedback?
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CeeJ Mantis
Mantodea MC
87
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:22:00 -
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For the Gallente 'Centurion' Commando, I recommend 2 Armor repairers. With the base level of armor HP, the extra repair rate of an armor repairer is better than the extra HP of a reactive plate. The last low slot can be a Kinetic Catalizer, a Cardiac Regulator, or an armor plate. OR a 3rd repairer as that gives the suit serious repair amounts (the same as one complex armor repairer), which is enough to do effective armor regen tanking. High slots/weapons/equipment are good and need no adjustment.
In short: 'Centurion' Commando low slots 2 Basic Armor Repairers 1 Basic Kin Cat, Basic Cardiac Regulator, Basic Armor Plate, or 3rd Basic Armor Repairer
Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
939
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:24:00 -
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So wait, are these the more up to date versions? Does that mean the Gallente assault doesn't have those 2 useless ewar lowslots anymore?
O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
4226
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:24:00 -
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[Minmatar 'Renegade' Commando] I'm not sure if this fits faction doctrine, but I would swap the ferroscale plate for a cardiac green bottle. These suits are built to take advantage of biotics.
Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1861
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:25:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Cat Merc wrote:>Opens Spartan >Sees 370 armor >Gallente Assault >Laughs uncontrollably Even cats need stay on topic, save the sarcasm for twitter pls Don't think that was sarcasm. It's a laughable fit. Or were you looking for only positive feedback?
Skips over mine as well to comment on cat laughing, he doesn't want positive or creative feedback.
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
Moss-delt on skype
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Malleus Malificorum
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
144
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:31:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Skips over mine as well to comment on cat laughing, he doesn't want positive or creative feedback.
No one has time to respond to every single post. Rattati doesn't need to fellate you or anyone else for good, simple, concise feedback.
Saying "This is a non-viable / non-competitive fit, here's what needs to be done to 'fix' it and make it viable' provides constructive feedback. Shouting 'This suit sucks' doesn't provide any constructive feedback at all, what it does do is provide a distraction and can easily cause the loss of relevant discussion.
Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.
I bring the light.
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Varoth Drac
Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION
338
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:32:00 -
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Assuming you are planning on making ewar viable for assaults, I would swap the Opus and Rasetsu ewar mods. This will mean they follow the scout suit doctrines of precision for Amarr and range for Caldari (which is also the overarching Caldari combat doctrine as far as I know).
This also allows the Amarr another repper which people have said they feel it needs, and allows the Caldar another extender, which I feel it needs.
Replace an extender on the Opus with the precision mod and replace the ferroscale on the Rasetsu with the range amp. |
DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance
644
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:41:00 -
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The samurai commando can lose the swarm launcher and use a RR or ARR preferably. Unless you plan to fix swarms so they are bonused for cal commandos I'd rather see a bonused weapon in that slot. |
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
7198
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:48:00 -
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Malleus Malificorum wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Skips over mine as well to comment on cat laughing, he doesn't want positive or creative feedback. No one has time to respond to every single post. Rattati doesn't need to fellate you or anyone else for good, simple, concise feedback. Saying "This is a non-viable / non-competitive fit, here's what needs to be done to 'fix' it and make it viable' provides constructive feedback. Shouting 'This suit sucks' doesn't provide any constructive feedback at all, what it does do is provide a distraction and can easily cause the loss of relevant discussion.
Did you look at that fit? It was pretty obvious that it was non-viable / non-competitive. It didn't need an explanation.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
13199
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:49:00 -
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I believe this to be a superior Spartan Gallente Assault fit: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/136/9199
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
1343
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:52:00 -
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Started looking through the suits. Overall I like the balance of modules
One thing though. The Min Commando has MD an swarms. Thats a difficult combination to work well with especially in FW. Swarms are also not a minmatar weapon so goes against the factional theme.
A better setup would be the MD + CR. Make enemies dive for cover when they take fire and then flush them out.
"The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun"
"Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
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Malleus Malificorum
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
145
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:53:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Did you look at that fit? It was pretty obvious that it was non-viable / non-competitive. It didn't need an explanation.
Maybe there's some sort of misunderstanding here but when did it become my job to look at every suit posted and provide feedback for them?
What makes you think someone who is at war with the gallente would even care bad how their suits are? Instead of demanding that others tow the line for you, provide your own damn feedback. You couldn't pay me 40m isk to get fifteen minutes of whining about 'how hard the gallente have it'.
Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.
I bring the light.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
13199
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:58:00 -
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If you drop the third rep and replace it with a basic plate, you would have a fit with just 1hp/s less than Rattati's but get an extra 93.5 HP.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
13199
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:59:00 -
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As a sidenote, STD Reps vs HP is completely screwed up.
3hp/s vs 93.5 HP.
lolnope
Not to mention STD reactive and ferroscale that are basically inferior shield extenders. Basic extender: 33HP with quick self rep Basic Reactive: 25HP with 1hp/s per Basic Ferroscale: 35HP
I'm only just noticing this because I never make STD fittings anymore lol
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
499
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Posted - 2014.11.12 09:03:00 -
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For Minimatar logistic:
1. It looks like C-3PO 2. It is possible (when this APEX dropsuits can't be modified) that this dropsuit (with this huge amount of CPU an PG) can 'powed up' another 3-4 dropsuit in squad?
This will be like extra powered battery - you use extra stuff on your dropsuit, but when logistic dies or moved far then 100m (radar) your dropsuit will be disabled :D
Not much time left...
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
1172
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Posted - 2014.11.12 09:05:00 -
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the more grievous problem is the paintschemes. they look HIDEOUS.
This is what the gallente ones should look like: http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1399/10/1399101328777.jpg Black and green camo, green lights.
This is what amarr should look like: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Fdj8VxA6nLE/U_OgCmhz_2I/AAAAAAAACag/3YHsCQ-_k2Q/s1600/nomen.jpg Black and light gray two tone with blue lights
This is what caldari should look like: http://pozniak.pl/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2011.11.19.11.00.37.jpg Black and dark gray digital camo with white-blue lights or orange lights. either light choice is fine.
and finally minmatar: http://www.eve-wiki.net/images/e/e7/Vagabond.png the regular minmatar colors already pretty much match the fleet stuff. its brown... so instead use the vagabond above and go rusty brown/black with light gray and red lights. or go with the muninn and do brown camo and red lights http://www.eve-wiki.net/images/thumb/9/9b/Muninn.jpg/800px-Muninn.jpg
maybe a rusty snow type camo.
the banana yellow and neon green is awful.
Don't vote for iron wolf saber.
Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1114
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Posted - 2014.11.12 09:06:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Dear Players, As I have heard a lot of complaints about the fitting, I would like reiterate the following: We don't want the best of the best min-maxed PC fittings We want Faction Doctrine over utility, while remaining very useful We don't want triple stacking and penalties We don't want ultra ehp stacking We want to expose players to versatility, so as many weapons as possible We also asked the community, the CPM collected a variety of ideas from Logis/Scouts and we took a lot of ideas from the Faction fitting thread. Please read it carefully, and again if you skimmed. This is all explained in detail in the blog. http://dust514.com/news/2014/11/introducing-apex-series-bpo-dropsuits/The reason we didn't push them all out at once, was testing and also to be able to collect feedback on the way. Please comment on the fittings found here: APEX FittingsWith the "name" of the suit (serpent, etc), the gear and the proposed replacement gear. Thanks!
Just my .02 but Id rather see the Amarr commando with an ScR and an AScR. The laser rifle is just a super preference based weapon so it is hard to say how people will take to that fitting.
As far as the Amarr scout goes I feel like that fit is wrong in line with what the bonuses dictate the suit as. Looking at the bonuses one would think it is meant to be a scanning scout of sorts not low visibility. Dampening is for Gal and Min while visibility is for Cal and Amarr unless I have misunderstood something. Drop one of the dampeners for a range amp and MAYBE the other for another reactive plate or even a standard repairer. Its armor pool with a reactive plate will take a bit too long to repair with only a single reactive plate and stop it from its scout duties.
The scout fitting I recommend would benefit more from skilling up the Amarr scout and its dependent core skills as new players progress.
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
1018
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Posted - 2014.11.12 09:09:00 -
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I would just like my "gold and platinum" suit to actually look like it has gold and platinum on it.
Tl;dr The Opus Assault doesn't look like it was described.
Swag-suit4lyfe!
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