CR got min dispersal increase/nerf, it's noticeably less effective at long range hipfiring.

Except that infantry should never be hip firing anyways. Hip firing is completely uncontrollable. You want accuracy, bring the gun up and sight it in.

I hope it worked, because the numbers I was looking at today were worse than I thought, the RR has been OP for far too long, eluding me like a hobbit

I'm proud that RR crap got nerf. Getting killed 100 meters by crapping Caldarians who just camp at the top and act all Tough dogs. Not any more. Your Bullshit ends today.

Now if you excuse me, TIME TO TAKE OUT MY Plasma cannon, Flaylock, and RR to SPAM THE RR N00bs >:D

+1 Get some gun game RR scrubs

Except, of course, the RR nerf had nothing to do with ADS and everything to do with CQC.

My ScP or SMG will be waiting, regardless.

In the meantime, I'll be using my SP for Gun Game Proficiency 5.

Is the Bolt really that bad now? Glad I don't rush to join FOTM trends. I can only imagine the faces of those who fully skilled into a weapon that was simply waiting to get nerfed.

Still trying to understand why people keep saying killing with the RR is a No skill weapon?

Looks like about 5 million SP or so to me.

I hope it worked, because the numbers I was looking at today were worse than I thought, the RR has been OP for far too long, eluding me like a hobbit

I like both of them so far it has limited their CQC ability nicely but they are still powerful and accurate in ADS
It makes the Assault RR a better choice in close range fights... and will hopefully..

Have CCP consider a Bolt Pistol variant (iron sights, better RoF, less dmg) ???

So, ACR IS getting nerfed too, for the people who somehow missed that. CR got toned down a bit in delta also. They might still need some work but let's not pretend we've flaylocked the RR and the other rifles have been left untouched. Hell, the assault scrambler rifle had been hit worse than the RR until recently.

One thing needs to be understood: The rail rifle SHOULD be, without question, no arguments, plain as day to everyone within a very short time of using it, the absolute worst weapon in CQC. Terrible to the point you would not consider it to be a smart decision to enter a building with it as your primary option.

If that is not the case, then it's basically de facto OP because it outclasses everything at range with the possible exception of a skilled LR user in the narrow range of 90-105m. This has never been debatable, and so neither should it's usefulness in CQC (or lack thereof) have been in question.

The argument made about swapping at supply depots in order to hack boils down to: "Hey, why can't I use this one weapon very effectively in every situation against every other weapon?" I'm sorry, but that's simply not the statement of someone objectively looking at weapon balance.

the rr should not be viable in cqc just like the plasma rifle shouldn't be effective at range..

Honestly, even a short range efficacy nerf (like the laser) at 1-15 meters would have been preferable to uncontrollable kick.

People are taking a really wrong turn comparing the RR to the LR...it's indicitive of the bigger problem in the design.

The RR has / is becoming basically a special weapon like the LR. The SCR is the general infantry weapon of the Amarr...not the LR.

The RR is much more akin to a special or support weapon...truth be told it functions much more like a light machine-gun than a general purpose infantry weapon. Trying to make one weapon have extreme range, very good accuracy ADS, feature sustained fire, relatively high damage per shot, and be decent in CQC but not too strong is at it's base poor design. When you use weak charge mechanics and recoil as your "balance" tools on weapons like this it further backs the weapon into a narrow niche and makes it untenable as a general infantry weapon.

The ARR is closer to how the basic RR should actually function if you want it to be closer to a general purpose infantry weapon.

For "fixing" the RR I think I would actually prefer lowering the damage per shot, dropping recoil down to less than pre-1.9 nerf levels - particularly in ADS mode, and using similar charge mechanics as the small rail turrets where it prevents you from pre-charging but bring the charge time back to about .25 or .3sec. Honestly, even if you did this I'm not sure it would truly balance easily due to some fo the root design issues.

I thin the best thing for the RR is to make is function like the bolt pistol. It should hit hard, shoot slow, and charge between shots.

On the ARR, that recoil needs to come way way down if it's supposed to be the CQC option.

Man the caldari tears are flowing tonight lol! Welcome to the sandbox! Where sh*t is unfair, barely working, and fubar?! ..... oh wait.... that was all gallente weaponry for months!!! Let's do battle!!

Maybe it's the "no sharpshooter skill requirement, but it has a scope" part? Maybe the "scoped fully auto weapon" part? Maybe the "great at range and hipfire at 10 meters" part? Maybe the "damage from no where because there's barely a round trace" part? I'm just snowballing here bro don't mind me?! I'm an AV player after all, and "gun game" mechanics escapes me.