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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:

Changes look like they're going the right way. I do however have a concern. I was a breach scrambler pistol user on my scout. I used it because of high alpha and low PG cost. Right now there are no more sidearms at all that will fit in 2 PG. All my fits are broken and I am not sure what alternative to take. I realize this is probably intentional, but having a low PG option (at least one) was healthy, even if the weapon underperformed (like the scrambler pistol).

CCP Rattati wrote:

Based on quality feedback we modified our proposals

PG reduced on Flaylock, CPU increased, dmg and radius reduced a little, 200% headshot dmg bonus
[...]
Bolt Pistol, recalculated based on charge time, basically increased damage by a lot. Increased range as well, plus 250% headshot dmg bonus
[...]

Rattati, I really appreciate these changes. Now I can at least migrate from my breach scrambler pistol for 2 PG to the flaylock when fitting gives me no other option, or I can migrate to the bolt pistol if I can salvage 1 more PG. I particularly appreciate this because thanks to the buffs you describe to the Bolt Pistol, I will have exactly the same head shot alpha damage as I did before, with the old breach scrambler. Thanks.

You had mentioned a Nova Knife optimization skill previously, since this is about sidearms, is that still in the pipeline for you? And will it be to reduce CPU or PG cost of Nova Knives?

"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

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Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 310	Posted - 2014.09.17 16:30:00 - [121] - Quote Looks good. Should make the bolt pistol viable to use instead of beeing a gun that you found in a garbage can. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
polkawill neverdie Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.09.17 16:58:00 - [122] - Quote Why are ScP fitting costs so high when the SMG is still so much better?
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 539	Posted - 2014.09.17 18:08:00 - [123] - Quote Haerr wrote: Is the SMGs damage profile being changed to -15%, +15%, or -20%, +20%? The old PRO Assault SMG did this against Armor: 23.1 - damage 1 / 0.06 - shots per second +10% - against Armor +15% - proficiency *23.1 1.1 * 1.15 * ( 1 / 0.06 ) Gëê 487 DPS against Armor The new PRO Assault SMG will do this against Armor: 19.01 - damage 1 / 0.05 - shots per second +15% - against Armor +15% - proficiency 19.01 * 1.15 * 1.15 * ( 1 / 0.05 ) Gëê 502 DPS against Armor OR The new PRO Assault SMG will do this against Armor: 19.01 - damage 1 / 0.05 - shots per second +20% - against Armor +15% - proficiency 19.01 * 1.2 * 1.15 * ( 1 / 0.05 ) Gëê 524 DPS against Armor** I realise that it will have a few shots less in its clip but this seems like an unnecessary buff for something that is mainly being used as a finisher (mostly against Armor). Maybe I am getting something wrong here, please correct me if that is the case. Yea you forgot that the profile change effects hmg and combat rifles lol. Smg will still be used as a finisher but the other two will suffer a bit more against caldari anything
Kaeru Nayiri Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.09.17 18:11:00 - [124] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Changes look like they're going the right way. I do however have a concern. I was a breach scrambler pistol user on my scout. I used it because of high alpha and low PG cost. Right now there are no more sidearms at all that will fit in 2 PG. All my fits are broken and I am not sure what alternative to take. I realize this is probably intentional, but having a low PG option (at least one) was healthy, even if the weapon underperformed (like the scrambler pistol). CCP Rattati wrote: Based on quality feedback we modified our proposals PG reduced on Flaylock, CPU increased, dmg and radius reduced a little, 200% headshot dmg bonus [...] Bolt Pistol, recalculated based on charge time, basically increased damage by a lot. Increased range as well, plus 250% headshot dmg bonus [...] Rattati, I really appreciate these changes. Now I can at least migrate from my breach scrambler pistol for 2 PG to the flaylock when fitting gives me no other option, or I can migrate to the bolt pistol if I can salvage 1 more PG. I particularly appreciate this because thanks to the buffs you describe to the Bolt Pistol, I will have exactly the same head shot alpha damage as I did before, with the old breach scrambler. Thanks. You had mentioned a Nova Knife optimization skill previously, since this is about sidearms, is that still in the pipeline for you? And will it be to reduce CPU or PG cost of Nova Knives?
Necalli XIBALBA Crows Assassins 3	Posted - 2014.09.17 19:08:00 - [125] - Quote Now tell us what you plan todo about those damned shotguns?!!! The range on those things is ridiculous!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4949	Posted - 2014.09.17 20:21:00 - [126] - Quote Necalli XIBALBA wrote: Now tell us what you plan todo about those damned shotguns?!!! The range on those things is ridiculous! Would prefer to see fire-from-cloak fixed before buffing shotgun range. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 52	Posted - 2014.09.17 20:23:00 - [127] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Necalli XIBALBA wrote: Now tell us what you plan todo about those damned shotguns?!!! The range on those things is ridiculous! Would prefer to see fire-from-cloak fixed before buffing shotgun range. Buffing the shotgun? WHAAAAAAAAAT !? Sorry for my bad english ^^
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4949	Posted - 2014.09.17 20:35:00 - [128] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Necalli XIBALBA wrote: Now tell us what you plan todo about those damned shotguns?!!! The range on those things is ridiculous! Would prefer to see fire-from-cloak fixed before buffing shotgun range. Buffing the shotgun? WHAAAAAAAAAT !? Exactly. We can't talk brass tacks until we've squared away the cheap tricks. Namely fire-from-cloak and brick-tanked scouts. But this is a debate for another day. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 52	Posted - 2014.09.17 20:47:00 - [129] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Necalli XIBALBA wrote: Now tell us what you plan todo about those damned shotguns?!!! The range on those things is ridiculous! Would prefer to see fire-from-cloak fixed before buffing shotgun range. Buffing the shotgun? WHAAAAAAAAAT !? Exactly. We can't talk brass tacks until we've squared away the cheap tricks. Namely fire-from-cloak and brick-tanked scouts. But this is a debate for another day. It's not a debate to have at all. This is already one of the less skilled but nevertheless super powerful weapon that some sneaky guys use with cloaks because they dont know how to have kills by facing their opponent. It's the last thing in the game that needs a buff. Sorry for my bad english ^^
Extraneus Tenebrarum CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 72	Posted - 2014.09.17 21:11:00 - [130] - Quote Noticed that std breach scram and adv breach scram have same amount of pg, 7 pg for both , is this intencional? Also the militia sram still has 80 damage.sorry for quality on phone

Extraneus Tenebrarum CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 72	Posted - 2014.09.17 21:15:00 - [131] - Quote Tactical scram still has 79 damage when the other variants have been reduced , intentional?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 917	Posted - 2014.09.17 22:19:00 - [132] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, this was quite an effort, one of the more strenuous ones, but good fun and definitely needed. We have a proposal from the CPM, Zatara took the lead on this one, as well as a thread started by Mobius, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=173952&find=unread, including detailed proposals and spreadsheets. So all in all a fantastic effort by the community. After carefully comparing all the suggestions, we saw that there were definite common threads that we tried to harvest into our proposal. I am not going to explain it in detail here, there are just so many numbers that needed to be changed that I will let the spreadsheet speak for itself. I will reply tomorrow morning to your comments, getting pretty late here in Shanghai. Hotfix Delta - Sidearm Numbers Thanks, this was a pleasure i can say the SMGs are looking good. nice to see the breach variant looking up to par instead of the sorry state it currenty is, but major concern is the near lack of difference between SMG and BR SMG in range and dps. tho i think in all cases people will choose SMG over BR smg because of the +2meter range and higher ROF despite the lower damage per shot because more lead being sprayed = more chances for hit detection. the range on ASMG looks good except the CPU and pg use because of the dps nerf the cpu and pg use should be lowered also. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 917	Posted - 2014.09.17 22:20:00 - [133] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Necalli XIBALBA wrote: Now tell us what you plan todo about those damned shotguns?!!! The range on those things is ridiculous! Would prefer to see fire-from-cloak fixed before buffing shotgun range. Buffing the shotgun? WHAAAAAAAAAT !? Exactly. We can't talk brass tacks until we've squared away the cheap tricks. Namely fire-from-cloak and brick-tanked scouts. But this is a debate for another day. id rather scouts used shotgun instead of bricked cloaked RR useing scouts anyday. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
jace silencerww Inner.Hell 47	Posted - 2014.09.18 04:30:00 - [134] - Quote Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: Tactical scram still has 79 damage when the other variants have been reduced , intentional? it is a salvage only weapon. most people don't use it at all. I have seen 3-5 players using them in months of play. it was a for a distance scr pistol user now idk. I love using them though better zoom when looking down sights.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6957	Posted - 2014.09.18 04:47:00 - [135] - Quote Okay, back from Destiny for a bit. Looks at sheet Flaylocks seem okay. Wanted more direct damage, but this will work. Love the unified splash radius and close range on the splash damage. PG increase though Ion Pistol gets a MUCH needed buff. Increased ROF, decreased hipfire, decreased charge delay OH MY. Everything seems really solid in data. Now lets see how it handles on the field. I'd love to see the same diversity with sidearms as there is with suits and (to a lesser extent) weapons. I got kicked out of the State War Academy for jury-rigging a contact nade launcher to my Rail Rifle WINMATAR!
Extraneus Tenebrarum CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 72	Posted - 2014.09.18 05:13:00 - [136] - Quote I just noticed where are the stats for the calas and wolfmans?
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1631	Posted - 2014.09.18 05:30:00 - [137] - Quote Necalli XIBALBA wrote: Now tell us what you plan todo about those damned shotguns?!!! The range on those things is ridiculous! The 'range' on shotguns in DUST is ridiculous? Either I have taken this the wrong way or you are crazy. The range on shotguns in DUST is pathetic compared to every other FPS ever. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 54	Posted - 2014.09.18 05:49:00 - [138] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Necalli XIBALBA wrote: Now tell us what you plan todo about those damned shotguns?!!! The range on those things is ridiculous! Would prefer to see fire-from-cloak fixed before buffing shotgun range. Buffing the shotgun? WHAAAAAAAAAT !? Exactly. We can't talk brass tacks until we've squared away the cheap tricks. Namely fire-from-cloak and brick-tanked scouts. But this is a debate for another day. id rather scouts used shotgun instead of bricked cloaked RR useing scouts anyday. I agree, but that doesn't mean that shotgun needs a buff x) Sorry for my bad english ^^
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1819	Posted - 2014.09.18 07:00:00 - [139] - Quote Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: I just noticed where are the stats for the calas and wolfmans? You don't want to know. Now with more evil.
Kosakai Eternal Beings 86	Posted - 2014.09.18 07:27:00 - [140] - Quote why nerfing already bad bolt pistol???!! PROUD MINMATAR <3 -- IN RUST IS TRUST FORGE GUN LOVER -- TANK HUNTER MINJA KNIFER .......

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12238	Posted - 2014.09.18 07:40:00 - [141] - Quote Kosakai wrote: why nerfing already bad bolt pistol???!! Um, the damage was nearly doubled. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7335	Posted - 2014.09.18 08:55:00 - [142] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Changes look like they're going the right way. I do however have a concern. I was a breach scrambler pistol user on my scout. I used it because of high alpha and low PG cost. Right now there are no more sidearms at all that will fit in 2 PG. All my fits are broken and I am not sure what alternative to take. I realize this is probably intentional, but having a low PG option (at least one) was healthy, even if the weapon underperformed (like the scrambler pistol). CCP Rattati wrote: Based on quality feedback we modified our proposals PG reduced on Flaylock, CPU increased, dmg and radius reduced a little, 200% headshot dmg bonus [...] Bolt Pistol, recalculated based on charge time, basically increased damage by a lot. Increased range as well, plus 250% headshot dmg bonus [...] Rattati, I really appreciate these changes. Now I can at least migrate from my breach scrambler pistol for 2 PG to the flaylock when fitting gives me no other option, or I can migrate to the bolt pistol if I can salvage 1 more PG. I particularly appreciate this because thanks to the buffs you describe to the Bolt Pistol, I will have exactly the same head shot alpha damage as I did before, with the old breach scrambler. Thanks. You had mentioned a Nova Knife optimization skill previously, since this is about sidearms, is that still in the pipeline for you? And will it be to reduce CPU or PG cost of Nova Knives? Nova Knife Optimization PG reduction is looking good for Delta "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7336	Posted - 2014.09.18 09:00:00 - [143] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: Tactical scram still has 79 damage when the other variants have been reduced , intentional? it is a salvage only weapon. most people don't use it at all. I have seen 3-5 players using them in months of play. it was a for a distance scr pistol user now idk. I love using them though better zoom when looking down sights. ok Rattati if you are lower the clip size on the bolt than can you give us more carrying ammo? 36 rounds is low and putting a huge amount of sp into the ammo skill for a grand total of 9 extra bullets. btw again youtube video MOODY is a M&KB user (however not all the time). M&KB accuracy is better than ds3 users. he also takes hours of games he recorded and picks the best parts. dmg per carrying Ammo is fair for the BP as is "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7336	Posted - 2014.09.18 09:01:00 - [144] - Quote Guys, thanks, I am locking this now, this was a pleasure but we got to get this. Any tweaks can come in later Hotfixes. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2635	Posted - 2014.09.18 09:07:00 - [145] - Quote Thanks for locking. LAST! The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.


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