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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:

Changes look like they're going the right way. I do however have a concern. I was a breach scrambler pistol user on my scout. I used it because of high alpha and low PG cost. Right now there are no more sidearms at all that will fit in 2 PG. All my fits are broken and I am not sure what alternative to take. I realize this is probably intentional, but having a low PG option (at least one) was healthy, even if the weapon underperformed (like the scrambler pistol).

CCP Rattati wrote:

Based on quality feedback we modified our proposals

PG reduced on Flaylock, CPU increased, dmg and radius reduced a little, 200% headshot dmg bonus
[...]
Bolt Pistol, recalculated based on charge time, basically increased damage by a lot. Increased range as well, plus 250% headshot dmg bonus
[...]

Rattati, I really appreciate these changes. Now I can at least migrate from my breach scrambler pistol for 2 PG to the flaylock when fitting gives me no other option, or I can migrate to the bolt pistol if I can salvage 1 more PG. I particularly appreciate this because thanks to the buffs you describe to the Bolt Pistol, I will have exactly the same head shot alpha damage as I did before, with the old breach scrambler. Thanks.

You had mentioned a Nova Knife optimization skill previously, since this is about sidearms, is that still in the pipeline for you? And will it be to reduce CPU or PG cost of Nova Knives?

"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7191	Posted - 2014.09.16 16:44:00 - [1] - Quote Dear players, this was quite an effort, one of the more strenuous ones, but good fun and definitely needed. We have a proposal from the CPM, Zatara took the lead on this one, as well as a thread started by Mobius, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=173952&find=unread, including detailed proposals and spreadsheets. So all in all a fantastic effort by the community. After carefully comparing all the suggestions, we saw that there were definite common threads that we tried to harvest into our proposal. I am not going to explain it in detail here, there are just so many numbers that needed to be changed that I will let the spreadsheet speak for itself. I will reply tomorrow morning to your comments, getting pretty late here in Shanghai. Hotfix Delta - Sidearm Numbers Thanks, this was a pleasure "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7196	Posted - 2014.09.16 17:11:00 - [2] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: I'm gonna be horribly rude here..one of the worst designed spreadsheets I've ever seen. As to the numbers, they seem interesting. My MCC SP will probably go to Protoing my remaining sidearms. Nope, it is a thing of structured beauty, much like the Taj Mahal "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7196	Posted - 2014.09.16 17:12:00 - [3] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Disappointed. Guess I'm dropping the ScP for the IoP. Can't stand low RoF. It was nerfed by 30% back in the day, now it's buffed by 15%. It used to be OP you know. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7222	Posted - 2014.09.16 23:04:00 - [4] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: You forgot to account for the charge time before every shot when calculating the bolt pistol dps. It still needs a sizable buff to be on par with the other sidearms. Agreed "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7224	Posted - 2014.09.16 23:10:00 - [5] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: What is with those graphs? What am I looking at? Label your axes, dammit! Anyways, this looks kind of shaky. Guess we'll have to get hands-on to see how it all pans out. But what's with the bolt pistol? It pretty much got a minor nerf in one area and minor buff in another, making it roughly the same as before. Am I missing something? The Bolt Pistol, reading through most of the discussions, didn't get any complaints except for us to check on the absolute range again. Feel free to add comments, I need to fix. Does increased headcount damage for ALL pistols make sense? maybe not 450% but we can scale it. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7227	Posted - 2014.09.16 23:52:00 - [6] - Quote I actually watched this video a month ago, and it was impressive, but it's obviously a niche weapon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4pB4coPpH0 "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7229	Posted - 2014.09.17 00:09:00 - [7] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I actually watched this video a month ago, and it was impressive, but it's obviously a niche weapon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4pB4coPpH0 Yea yea yea. Bring up an almost 6 month old video. I got that baby up quite a ways now. Can I say this, thanks for the PG reduction, such a ***** to fit. It needs something though Rattati. I'd say damage, as the charge up and what not set it apart. But, the Breach ScP pretty much covers for the Bolt, not including that operation skill. Maybe a bigger clip.. Like 8? Don't think the bolt has been changed since, so the video is relevant "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7242	Posted - 2014.09.17 04:40:00 - [8] - Quote Based on quality feedback we modified our proposals PG reduced on Flaylock, CPU increased, dmg and radius reduced a little, 200% headshot dmg bonus Increased AS Scrambler Pistol ROF to differentiate better between assault and normal SCP Bolt Pistol, recalculated based on charge time, basically increased damage by a lot. Increased range as well, plus 250% headshot dmg bonus Ion, reduced seize from 3.5 to 1.5, 150% headshot bonus "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7248	Posted - 2014.09.17 07:25:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Might want to decrease bolt pistol shots per clip to 5 as it now has the highest damage per clip from the pistols. agreed "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7252	Posted - 2014.09.17 09:28:00 - [10] - Quote If you looked at the dmg per clip on the BP, it was out of order at 6 and by far the highest for pistols. I am proposing to reduce reload speed to make up for the clip size. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"



CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7254	Posted - 2014.09.17 10:15:00 - [11] - Quote The True Inferno wrote: Hey, why does the militia ScP do more damage than a basic? That make not sense at all, if anything, it should be the opposite. Probably number blindness after being in that doc for so long Thanks for pointing it out. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7335	Posted - 2014.09.18 08:55:00 - [12] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Changes look like they're going the right way. I do however have a concern. I was a breach scrambler pistol user on my scout. I used it because of high alpha and low PG cost. Right now there are no more sidearms at all that will fit in 2 PG. All my fits are broken and I am not sure what alternative to take. I realize this is probably intentional, but having a low PG option (at least one) was healthy, even if the weapon underperformed (like the scrambler pistol). CCP Rattati wrote: Based on quality feedback we modified our proposals PG reduced on Flaylock, CPU increased, dmg and radius reduced a little, 200% headshot dmg bonus [...] Bolt Pistol, recalculated based on charge time, basically increased damage by a lot. Increased range as well, plus 250% headshot dmg bonus [...] Rattati, I really appreciate these changes. Now I can at least migrate from my breach scrambler pistol for 2 PG to the flaylock when fitting gives me no other option, or I can migrate to the bolt pistol if I can salvage 1 more PG. I particularly appreciate this because thanks to the buffs you describe to the Bolt Pistol, I will have exactly the same head shot alpha damage as I did before, with the old breach scrambler. Thanks. You had mentioned a Nova Knife optimization skill previously, since this is about sidearms, is that still in the pipeline for you? And will it be to reduce CPU or PG cost of Nova Knives? Nova Knife Optimization PG reduction is looking good for Delta "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7336	Posted - 2014.09.18 09:00:00 - [13] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: Tactical scram still has 79 damage when the other variants have been reduced , intentional? it is a salvage only weapon. most people don't use it at all. I have seen 3-5 players using them in months of play. it was a for a distance scr pistol user now idk. I love using them though better zoom when looking down sights. ok Rattati if you are lower the clip size on the bolt than can you give us more carrying ammo? 36 rounds is low and putting a huge amount of sp into the ammo skill for a grand total of 9 extra bullets. btw again youtube video MOODY is a M&KB user (however not all the time). M&KB accuracy is better than ds3 users. he also takes hours of games he recorded and picks the best parts. dmg per carrying Ammo is fair for the BP as is "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7336	Posted - 2014.09.18 09:01:00 - [14] - Quote Guys, thanks, I am locking this now, this was a pleasure but we got to get this. Any tweaks can come in later Hotfixes. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"